Re: Libert Diesel...Nov 04 or early 05?
 

It'll never happen GI. Physically impossible.
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Chris Galvin wrote:
>
> Bill,
> I'm not defending hybrid vehicles, I think they are only moving the
> emmissions from the exhaust pipe of the car to the power station. My only
> point is that diesel vehicles are better environmentally than petrol ones
> because of their fuel efficiency. There particulate emmissions used to be
> worse but that is solved now; I'm talking about the latest diesel cars. I
> dont have time to search for something you find acceptable, just read the
> latest American Scientific.
> Chris.

Re: Libert Diesel...Nov 04 or early 05?
 

It'll never happen GI. Physically impossible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Chris Galvin wrote:
>
> Bill,
> I'm not defending hybrid vehicles, I think they are only moving the
> emmissions from the exhaust pipe of the car to the power station. My only
> point is that diesel vehicles are better environmentally than petrol ones
> because of their fuel efficiency. There particulate emmissions used to be
> worse but that is solved now; I'm talking about the latest diesel cars. I
> dont have time to search for something you find acceptable, just read the
> latest American Scientific.
> Chris.

Re: Libert Diesel...Nov 04 or early 05?
 

It'll never happen GI. Physically impossible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Chris Galvin wrote:
>
> Bill,
> I'm not defending hybrid vehicles, I think they are only moving the
> emmissions from the exhaust pipe of the car to the power station. My only
> point is that diesel vehicles are better environmentally than petrol ones
> because of their fuel efficiency. There particulate emmissions used to be
> worse but that is solved now; I'm talking about the latest diesel cars. I
> dont have time to search for something you find acceptable, just read the
> latest American Scientific.
> Chris.

Re: Libert Diesel...Nov 04 or early 05?
 

Have you forgotten? Batteries must be charged. Usually by the
cheapest energy we have, fossil fuel. Might study physics enough to know
that every time we convert energy that originally came from the sun we
lose a great amount of it. These government grant are just wasting our
money, until we take a more direct route and finally release the atom
allowing us to convert water to hydrogen.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bill wrote:
>
> Yeah right..
>
> Batteries can be safely recycled.. The damage caused by spent
> hydrocarbons is not so easily eliminated..
>
> And please keep up that thought.. After all many foreigners are
> making a killing off of people with that attitude. And I'd like to
> take this opportunity to speak as one of them and thank you for
> it..it's been paying off handsomely :)

Re: Libert Diesel...Nov 04 or early 05?
 

Have you forgotten? Batteries must be charged. Usually by the
cheapest energy we have, fossil fuel. Might study physics enough to know
that every time we convert energy that originally came from the sun we
lose a great amount of it. These government grant are just wasting our
money, until we take a more direct route and finally release the atom
allowing us to convert water to hydrogen.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bill wrote:
>
> Yeah right..
>
> Batteries can be safely recycled.. The damage caused by spent
> hydrocarbons is not so easily eliminated..
>
> And please keep up that thought.. After all many foreigners are
> making a killing off of people with that attitude. And I'd like to
> take this opportunity to speak as one of them and thank you for
> it..it's been paying off handsomely :)

Re: Libert Diesel...Nov 04 or early 05?
 

Have you forgotten? Batteries must be charged. Usually by the
cheapest energy we have, fossil fuel. Might study physics enough to know
that every time we convert energy that originally came from the sun we
lose a great amount of it. These government grant are just wasting our
money, until we take a more direct route and finally release the atom
allowing us to convert water to hydrogen.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bill wrote:
>
> Yeah right..
>
> Batteries can be safely recycled.. The damage caused by spent
> hydrocarbons is not so easily eliminated..
>
> And please keep up that thought.. After all many foreigners are
> making a killing off of people with that attitude. And I'd like to
> take this opportunity to speak as one of them and thank you for
> it..it's been paying off handsomely :)

Re: Libert Diesel...Nov 04 or early 05?
 

Have you forgotten? Batteries must be charged. Usually by the
cheapest energy we have, fossil fuel. Might study physics enough to know
that every time we convert energy that originally came from the sun we
lose a great amount of it. These government grant are just wasting our
money, until we take a more direct route and finally release the atom
allowing us to convert water to hydrogen.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bill wrote:
>
> Yeah right..
>
> Batteries can be safely recycled.. The damage caused by spent
> hydrocarbons is not so easily eliminated..
>
> And please keep up that thought.. After all many foreigners are
> making a killing off of people with that attitude. And I'd like to
> take this opportunity to speak as one of them and thank you for
> it..it's been paying off handsomely :)

Re: Libert Diesel...Nov 04 or early 05?
 

Hi Steven,
Great sites, diesel is a hundred times dirtier than gasoline.
From:
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...fm?pageID=1307
"Gasoline vehicles are more cost effective than diesel for reducing oil
use and lowering global warming pollution.
From:
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...cfm?pageID=230
"While increasing the number of diesel vehicles on the road offer only a
modest potential reductions in global warming pollution, it poses a
significant rick to air quality. Under current emission standards for
cars and trucks, diesels are allowed to pollute over twice as much
nitrogen oxides as gasoline vehicles, and 10 to 100 times more
particulate matter. Nitrogen oxides are a main precursor to smog (urban
ozone), and particulate aggravate respiratory problems, including
asthma, and have been associated with premature death."
That's enough for me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Steve wrote:
>
> Diesel has got significantly cleaner in the last 20 years and it
> generates less greenhouse gases than gasoline, but with respect to
> particulates and nitrogen oxides (smog) it is still 4-5 times dirtier
> than today's worst gas burner.
>
> If you have an open mind, the Union of Concerned Scientists lay out the
> diesel issues rather well:
>
> http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...fm?pageID=1307
> http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...cfm?pageID=230
>
> As for Bill, an otherwise vocal opponent of greenies and lefty enviros,
> I suspect that the true source of his disdain for the diesel engine is
> not so much pollution as it is that it was invented by a Paris-born
> Bavarian. ;)
>
> Steve

Re: Libert Diesel...Nov 04 or early 05?
 

Hi Steven,
Great sites, diesel is a hundred times dirtier than gasoline.
From:
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...fm?pageID=1307
"Gasoline vehicles are more cost effective than diesel for reducing oil
use and lowering global warming pollution.
From:
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...cfm?pageID=230
"While increasing the number of diesel vehicles on the road offer only a
modest potential reductions in global warming pollution, it poses a
significant rick to air quality. Under current emission standards for
cars and trucks, diesels are allowed to pollute over twice as much
nitrogen oxides as gasoline vehicles, and 10 to 100 times more
particulate matter. Nitrogen oxides are a main precursor to smog (urban
ozone), and particulate aggravate respiratory problems, including
asthma, and have been associated with premature death."
That's enough for me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Steve wrote:
>
> Diesel has got significantly cleaner in the last 20 years and it
> generates less greenhouse gases than gasoline, but with respect to
> particulates and nitrogen oxides (smog) it is still 4-5 times dirtier
> than today's worst gas burner.
>
> If you have an open mind, the Union of Concerned Scientists lay out the
> diesel issues rather well:
>
> http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...fm?pageID=1307
> http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...cfm?pageID=230
>
> As for Bill, an otherwise vocal opponent of greenies and lefty enviros,
> I suspect that the true source of his disdain for the diesel engine is
> not so much pollution as it is that it was invented by a Paris-born
> Bavarian. ;)
>
> Steve

Re: Libert Diesel...Nov 04 or early 05?
 

Hi Steven,
Great sites, diesel is a hundred times dirtier than gasoline.
From:
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...fm?pageID=1307
"Gasoline vehicles are more cost effective than diesel for reducing oil
use and lowering global warming pollution.
From:
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...cfm?pageID=230
"While increasing the number of diesel vehicles on the road offer only a
modest potential reductions in global warming pollution, it poses a
significant rick to air quality. Under current emission standards for
cars and trucks, diesels are allowed to pollute over twice as much
nitrogen oxides as gasoline vehicles, and 10 to 100 times more
particulate matter. Nitrogen oxides are a main precursor to smog (urban
ozone), and particulate aggravate respiratory problems, including
asthma, and have been associated with premature death."
That's enough for me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Steve wrote:
>
> Diesel has got significantly cleaner in the last 20 years and it
> generates less greenhouse gases than gasoline, but with respect to
> particulates and nitrogen oxides (smog) it is still 4-5 times dirtier
> than today's worst gas burner.
>
> If you have an open mind, the Union of Concerned Scientists lay out the
> diesel issues rather well:
>
> http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...fm?pageID=1307
> http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...cfm?pageID=230
>
> As for Bill, an otherwise vocal opponent of greenies and lefty enviros,
> I suspect that the true source of his disdain for the diesel engine is
> not so much pollution as it is that it was invented by a Paris-born
> Bavarian. ;)
>
> Steve