Re: JK CRD
 

I'm only about 5-10 miles from there, off Kent Lake toward South Lyon.

"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:46621BAD.DA0AF801@cac.net...
> matt you would not believe the amount of proto vehicles i see at old23 and
> spencer road
> it's the back way in to the gm proving grounds i work just down the
> street
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>> Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town.
>> I
>> noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the
>> tailgate. This piqued my interest.
>>
>> The driver turned into a parking lot and I followed and pulled up next to
>> him (I happened to be driving the TJ). I didn't ask him what he did, but
>> it's obvious he works at Cerberus-Chrysler. He told me it was a European
>> spec diesel Wrangler (it did have the full front fenders) and the diesel,
>> as
>> far as he knew, would not be available in the States anytime soon.
>>
>> Which is disappointing, but living in SE Michigan I see many
>> developmental
>> vehicles, and generally the drivers are engineers who are pretty good
>> about
>> not giving too much information. My thought is, if they aren't going to
>> offer a diesel Wrangler in the States, why do they have the European spec
>> diesel here now??
>>
>> I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke
>> or
>> smell like a refinery.
>>
>> --
>> ---
>> Matt Macchiarolo
>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>>
>> "
>

Re: JK CRD
 

i work on old 23 south of there

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> I'm only about 5-10 miles from there, off Kent Lake toward South Lyon.
>
> "philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:46621BAD.DA0AF801@cac.net...
> > matt you would not believe the amount of proto vehicles i see at old23 and
> > spencer road
> > it's the back way in to the gm proving grounds i work just down the
> > street
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> >> Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town.
> >> I
> >> noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the
> >> tailgate. This piqued my interest.
> >>
> >> The driver turned into a parking lot and I followed and pulled up next to
> >> him (I happened to be driving the TJ). I didn't ask him what he did, but
> >> it's obvious he works at Cerberus-Chrysler. He told me it was a European
> >> spec diesel Wrangler (it did have the full front fenders) and the diesel,
> >> as
> >> far as he knew, would not be available in the States anytime soon.
> >>
> >> Which is disappointing, but living in SE Michigan I see many
> >> developmental
> >> vehicles, and generally the drivers are engineers who are pretty good
> >> about
> >> not giving too much information. My thought is, if they aren't going to
> >> offer a diesel Wrangler in the States, why do they have the European spec
> >> diesel here now??
> >>
> >> I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke
> >> or
> >> smell like a refinery.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ---
> >> Matt Macchiarolo
> >> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> >>
> >> "
> >

Re: JK CRD
 

i work on old 23 south of there

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> I'm only about 5-10 miles from there, off Kent Lake toward South Lyon.
>
> "philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:46621BAD.DA0AF801@cac.net...
> > matt you would not believe the amount of proto vehicles i see at old23 and
> > spencer road
> > it's the back way in to the gm proving grounds i work just down the
> > street
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> >> Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town.
> >> I
> >> noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the
> >> tailgate. This piqued my interest.
> >>
> >> The driver turned into a parking lot and I followed and pulled up next to
> >> him (I happened to be driving the TJ). I didn't ask him what he did, but
> >> it's obvious he works at Cerberus-Chrysler. He told me it was a European
> >> spec diesel Wrangler (it did have the full front fenders) and the diesel,
> >> as
> >> far as he knew, would not be available in the States anytime soon.
> >>
> >> Which is disappointing, but living in SE Michigan I see many
> >> developmental
> >> vehicles, and generally the drivers are engineers who are pretty good
> >> about
> >> not giving too much information. My thought is, if they aren't going to
> >> offer a diesel Wrangler in the States, why do they have the European spec
> >> diesel here now??
> >>
> >> I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke
> >> or
> >> smell like a refinery.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ---
> >> Matt Macchiarolo
> >> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> >>
> >> "
> >

Re: JK CRD
 

i work on old 23 south of there

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> I'm only about 5-10 miles from there, off Kent Lake toward South Lyon.
>
> "philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:46621BAD.DA0AF801@cac.net...
> > matt you would not believe the amount of proto vehicles i see at old23 and
> > spencer road
> > it's the back way in to the gm proving grounds i work just down the
> > street
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> >> Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town.
> >> I
> >> noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the
> >> tailgate. This piqued my interest.
> >>
> >> The driver turned into a parking lot and I followed and pulled up next to
> >> him (I happened to be driving the TJ). I didn't ask him what he did, but
> >> it's obvious he works at Cerberus-Chrysler. He told me it was a European
> >> spec diesel Wrangler (it did have the full front fenders) and the diesel,
> >> as
> >> far as he knew, would not be available in the States anytime soon.
> >>
> >> Which is disappointing, but living in SE Michigan I see many
> >> developmental
> >> vehicles, and generally the drivers are engineers who are pretty good
> >> about
> >> not giving too much information. My thought is, if they aren't going to
> >> offer a diesel Wrangler in the States, why do they have the European spec
> >> diesel here now??
> >>
> >> I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke
> >> or
> >> smell like a refinery.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ---
> >> Matt Macchiarolo
> >> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> >>
> >> "
> >

Re: JK CRD
 

i work on old 23 south of there

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> I'm only about 5-10 miles from there, off Kent Lake toward South Lyon.
>
> "philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:46621BAD.DA0AF801@cac.net...
> > matt you would not believe the amount of proto vehicles i see at old23 and
> > spencer road
> > it's the back way in to the gm proving grounds i work just down the
> > street
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> >> Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town.
> >> I
> >> noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the
> >> tailgate. This piqued my interest.
> >>
> >> The driver turned into a parking lot and I followed and pulled up next to
> >> him (I happened to be driving the TJ). I didn't ask him what he did, but
> >> it's obvious he works at Cerberus-Chrysler. He told me it was a European
> >> spec diesel Wrangler (it did have the full front fenders) and the diesel,
> >> as
> >> far as he knew, would not be available in the States anytime soon.
> >>
> >> Which is disappointing, but living in SE Michigan I see many
> >> developmental
> >> vehicles, and generally the drivers are engineers who are pretty good
> >> about
> >> not giving too much information. My thought is, if they aren't going to
> >> offer a diesel Wrangler in the States, why do they have the European spec
> >> diesel here now??
> >>
> >> I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke
> >> or
> >> smell like a refinery.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ---
> >> Matt Macchiarolo
> >> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> >>
> >> "
> >

Re: JK CRD
 

Matt,

What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
media launches. I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here. They do run
very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
and 80's. Too bad. I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
fast highway driving.


Maybe times and fuel costs will change the manufacturers minds...but
for now...don't hold your breath for a U.S. Diesel Wrangler!

Mogman416



n May 30, 6:43?pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town. I
> noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the
> tailgate. This piqued my interest.
>
> The driver turned into a parking lot and I followed and pulled up next to
> him (I happened to be driving the TJ). I didn't ask him what he did, but
> it's obvious he works at Cerberus-Chrysler. He told me it was a European
> spec diesel Wrangler (it did have the full front fenders) and the diesel, as
> far as he knew, would not be available in the States anytime soon.
>
> Which is disappointing, but living in SE Michigan I see many developmental
> vehicles, and generally the drivers are engineers who are pretty good about
> not giving too much information. My thought is, if they aren't going to
> offer a diesel Wrangler in the States, why do they have the European spec
> diesel here now??
>
> I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke or
> smell like a refinery.
>
> --
> ---
> Matt Macchiarolo
> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>
> "

Re: JK CRD
 

Matt,

What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
media launches. I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here. They do run
very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
and 80's. Too bad. I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
fast highway driving.


Maybe times and fuel costs will change the manufacturers minds...but
for now...don't hold your breath for a U.S. Diesel Wrangler!

Mogman416



n May 30, 6:43?pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town. I
> noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the
> tailgate. This piqued my interest.
>
> The driver turned into a parking lot and I followed and pulled up next to
> him (I happened to be driving the TJ). I didn't ask him what he did, but
> it's obvious he works at Cerberus-Chrysler. He told me it was a European
> spec diesel Wrangler (it did have the full front fenders) and the diesel, as
> far as he knew, would not be available in the States anytime soon.
>
> Which is disappointing, but living in SE Michigan I see many developmental
> vehicles, and generally the drivers are engineers who are pretty good about
> not giving too much information. My thought is, if they aren't going to
> offer a diesel Wrangler in the States, why do they have the European spec
> diesel here now??
>
> I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke or
> smell like a refinery.
>
> --
> ---
> Matt Macchiarolo
> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>
> "

Re: JK CRD
 

Matt,

What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
media launches. I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here. They do run
very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
and 80's. Too bad. I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
fast highway driving.


Maybe times and fuel costs will change the manufacturers minds...but
for now...don't hold your breath for a U.S. Diesel Wrangler!

Mogman416



n May 30, 6:43?pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town. I
> noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the
> tailgate. This piqued my interest.
>
> The driver turned into a parking lot and I followed and pulled up next to
> him (I happened to be driving the TJ). I didn't ask him what he did, but
> it's obvious he works at Cerberus-Chrysler. He told me it was a European
> spec diesel Wrangler (it did have the full front fenders) and the diesel, as
> far as he knew, would not be available in the States anytime soon.
>
> Which is disappointing, but living in SE Michigan I see many developmental
> vehicles, and generally the drivers are engineers who are pretty good about
> not giving too much information. My thought is, if they aren't going to
> offer a diesel Wrangler in the States, why do they have the European spec
> diesel here now??
>
> I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke or
> smell like a refinery.
>
> --
> ---
> Matt Macchiarolo
> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>
> "

Re: JK CRD
 

Matt,

What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
media launches. I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here. They do run
very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
and 80's. Too bad. I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
fast highway driving.


Maybe times and fuel costs will change the manufacturers minds...but
for now...don't hold your breath for a U.S. Diesel Wrangler!

Mogman416



n May 30, 6:43?pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town. I
> noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the
> tailgate. This piqued my interest.
>
> The driver turned into a parking lot and I followed and pulled up next to
> him (I happened to be driving the TJ). I didn't ask him what he did, but
> it's obvious he works at Cerberus-Chrysler. He told me it was a European
> spec diesel Wrangler (it did have the full front fenders) and the diesel, as
> far as he knew, would not be available in the States anytime soon.
>
> Which is disappointing, but living in SE Michigan I see many developmental
> vehicles, and generally the drivers are engineers who are pretty good about
> not giving too much information. My thought is, if they aren't going to
> offer a diesel Wrangler in the States, why do they have the European spec
> diesel here now??
>
> I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke or
> smell like a refinery.
>
> --
> ---
> Matt Macchiarolo
> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>
> "

Re: JK CRD
 

<bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
> Matt,
>
> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
> media launches.

Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
orthodontist...

I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.

Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
cycle of a diesel engine?

They do run
> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
> and 80's. Too bad.

Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
be pleasantly surprised with the results.

If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
the dealership.


I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
> fast highway driving.
>