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Re: Jeep Toad
I think this guy (Bill) would argue with a tree-stump.... if he could
get it to argue back. Be kinda hard for him to throw irrelevant, obfuscating links at it though. LOL Seek Help. |
Re: Jeep Toad
And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and
reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed: > That is so.... WRONG it's overwhelming! So I'll just eliminate the > maxies, for the others that may believe in this group, They use air > pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! I > think that most people could tell by the number of gauges we have to > monitor that if a part like disk brakes could be used safely we would > have them on our half a million dollar tractors: > http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > Simon Juncal wrote: > >>mabar wrote: >> >>>So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do >>>semi-trucks use drum brakes? >>> >>>I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks? >> >>This is one of those questions that has a bunch of answers which are all >>more or less true. >> >>Because the industry is traditional and doesn't like change, because >>drums perform on Semi's pretty well in an overall sense, because >>changing to discs requires a lot of new technology and new untested (in >>trucking) systems which can fail until the bugs are worked out causing >>law suits. In short because the industry is cheap and as stubborn as >>Bill about adapting to new stuff. >> >>Probably the major reason (and long winded one) though is mechanical; >>Because air brake systems works backwards from how we are used to brakes >>working... >> >>The default state on a semi's brake system is LOCKED UP... Unlike >>hydrolic systems where a lack of fluid will result in NO BRAKES, a lack >>of air will result in total brakes. This is because air is used to push >>against the heavy springs that are ALWAYS trying to push the brake shoes >>against the drums. The air is used to compress these springs. >> >>The mechanical advantage here is that in emergencies Semi's have brakes >>even without a running motor OR air in the system. With no motor you can >>still lightly brake a Semi to a safe stop. With no air it will come to a >>more or less screeching halt, but at least it will stop. >> >>The same could certainly be done using discs but would require a system >>that is very different from our cars discs and thus lots of R&D dollars. >>Drums have almost no advantages over discs, they are FAR heavier, FAR >>less thermally efficient, they trap water, and heat, they have LESS >>friction surface until they are just about locked up. and they use WAY >>WAY more parts, they are manually adjusted (even automatic slack >>adjusters must be manually adjusted occasionally!) >> >>You asked :) >>-- >>Simon >>"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: Jeep Toad
And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and
reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed: > That is so.... WRONG it's overwhelming! So I'll just eliminate the > maxies, for the others that may believe in this group, They use air > pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! I > think that most people could tell by the number of gauges we have to > monitor that if a part like disk brakes could be used safely we would > have them on our half a million dollar tractors: > http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > Simon Juncal wrote: > >>mabar wrote: >> >>>So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do >>>semi-trucks use drum brakes? >>> >>>I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks? >> >>This is one of those questions that has a bunch of answers which are all >>more or less true. >> >>Because the industry is traditional and doesn't like change, because >>drums perform on Semi's pretty well in an overall sense, because >>changing to discs requires a lot of new technology and new untested (in >>trucking) systems which can fail until the bugs are worked out causing >>law suits. In short because the industry is cheap and as stubborn as >>Bill about adapting to new stuff. >> >>Probably the major reason (and long winded one) though is mechanical; >>Because air brake systems works backwards from how we are used to brakes >>working... >> >>The default state on a semi's brake system is LOCKED UP... Unlike >>hydrolic systems where a lack of fluid will result in NO BRAKES, a lack >>of air will result in total brakes. This is because air is used to push >>against the heavy springs that are ALWAYS trying to push the brake shoes >>against the drums. The air is used to compress these springs. >> >>The mechanical advantage here is that in emergencies Semi's have brakes >>even without a running motor OR air in the system. With no motor you can >>still lightly brake a Semi to a safe stop. With no air it will come to a >>more or less screeching halt, but at least it will stop. >> >>The same could certainly be done using discs but would require a system >>that is very different from our cars discs and thus lots of R&D dollars. >>Drums have almost no advantages over discs, they are FAR heavier, FAR >>less thermally efficient, they trap water, and heat, they have LESS >>friction surface until they are just about locked up. and they use WAY >>WAY more parts, they are manually adjusted (even automatic slack >>adjusters must be manually adjusted occasionally!) >> >>You asked :) >>-- >>Simon >>"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and
reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed: > That is so.... WRONG it's overwhelming! So I'll just eliminate the > maxies, for the others that may believe in this group, They use air > pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! I > think that most people could tell by the number of gauges we have to > monitor that if a part like disk brakes could be used safely we would > have them on our half a million dollar tractors: > http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > Simon Juncal wrote: > >>mabar wrote: >> >>>So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do >>>semi-trucks use drum brakes? >>> >>>I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks? >> >>This is one of those questions that has a bunch of answers which are all >>more or less true. >> >>Because the industry is traditional and doesn't like change, because >>drums perform on Semi's pretty well in an overall sense, because >>changing to discs requires a lot of new technology and new untested (in >>trucking) systems which can fail until the bugs are worked out causing >>law suits. In short because the industry is cheap and as stubborn as >>Bill about adapting to new stuff. >> >>Probably the major reason (and long winded one) though is mechanical; >>Because air brake systems works backwards from how we are used to brakes >>working... >> >>The default state on a semi's brake system is LOCKED UP... Unlike >>hydrolic systems where a lack of fluid will result in NO BRAKES, a lack >>of air will result in total brakes. This is because air is used to push >>against the heavy springs that are ALWAYS trying to push the brake shoes >>against the drums. The air is used to compress these springs. >> >>The mechanical advantage here is that in emergencies Semi's have brakes >>even without a running motor OR air in the system. With no motor you can >>still lightly brake a Semi to a safe stop. With no air it will come to a >>more or less screeching halt, but at least it will stop. >> >>The same could certainly be done using discs but would require a system >>that is very different from our cars discs and thus lots of R&D dollars. >>Drums have almost no advantages over discs, they are FAR heavier, FAR >>less thermally efficient, they trap water, and heat, they have LESS >>friction surface until they are just about locked up. and they use WAY >>WAY more parts, they are manually adjusted (even automatic slack >>adjusters must be manually adjusted occasionally!) >> >>You asked :) >>-- >>Simon >>"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: Jeep Toad
On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:36:46 -0700, Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net>
wrote: >And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and >reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a >figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. > >PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? Well, I'm not Bill, and this link isn't irrelevant, but if you REALLY need to see some links, try this: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...2326.Eg.r.html or this: http://www.tpub.com/eqopbas/69.htm ;-) > [snip] .... |
Re: Jeep Toad
On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:36:46 -0700, Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net>
wrote: >And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and >reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a >figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. > >PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? Well, I'm not Bill, and this link isn't irrelevant, but if you REALLY need to see some links, try this: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...2326.Eg.r.html or this: http://www.tpub.com/eqopbas/69.htm ;-) > [snip] .... |
Re: Jeep Toad
On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:36:46 -0700, Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net>
wrote: >And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and >reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a >figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. > >PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? Well, I'm not Bill, and this link isn't irrelevant, but if you REALLY need to see some links, try this: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...2326.Eg.r.html or this: http://www.tpub.com/eqopbas/69.htm ;-) > [snip] .... |
Re: Jeep Toad
On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:36:46 -0700, Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net>
wrote: >And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and >reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a >figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. > >PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? > >L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed: > >> That is so.... WRONG it's overwhelming! So I'll just eliminate the >> maxies, for the others that may believe in this group, They use air >> pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! I >> think that most people could tell by the number of gauges we have to >> monitor that if a part like disk brakes could be used safely we would >> have them on our half a million dollar tractors: >> http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- >> >> Simon Juncal wrote: >> >>>mabar wrote: >>> >>>>So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do >>>>semi-trucks use drum brakes? >>>> >>>>I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks? [snip] (Sorry to add into the thread at this point, but...) Just found this web page stating that air disk brakes could be better than drums: http://trailer-bodybuilders.com/mag/...sults_support/ .... |
Re: Jeep Toad
On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:36:46 -0700, Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net>
wrote: >And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and >reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a >figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. > >PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? > >L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed: > >> That is so.... WRONG it's overwhelming! So I'll just eliminate the >> maxies, for the others that may believe in this group, They use air >> pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! I >> think that most people could tell by the number of gauges we have to >> monitor that if a part like disk brakes could be used safely we would >> have them on our half a million dollar tractors: >> http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- >> >> Simon Juncal wrote: >> >>>mabar wrote: >>> >>>>So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do >>>>semi-trucks use drum brakes? >>>> >>>>I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks? [snip] (Sorry to add into the thread at this point, but...) Just found this web page stating that air disk brakes could be better than drums: http://trailer-bodybuilders.com/mag/...sults_support/ .... |
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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:36:46 -0700, Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net>
wrote: >And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and >reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a >figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. > >PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? > >L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed: > >> That is so.... WRONG it's overwhelming! So I'll just eliminate the >> maxies, for the others that may believe in this group, They use air >> pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! I >> think that most people could tell by the number of gauges we have to >> monitor that if a part like disk brakes could be used safely we would >> have them on our half a million dollar tractors: >> http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- >> >> Simon Juncal wrote: >> >>>mabar wrote: >>> >>>>So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do >>>>semi-trucks use drum brakes? >>>> >>>>I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks? [snip] (Sorry to add into the thread at this point, but...) Just found this web page stating that air disk brakes could be better than drums: http://trailer-bodybuilders.com/mag/...sults_support/ .... |
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> That is so.... WRONG it's overwhelming! So I'll just eliminate the > maxies, for the others that may believe in this group, They use air > pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! <yawn> that's all you have? you're going to pick some nits because I didn't mention the difference between service brakes and parking brakes? and then of course post yet another irelivant link... -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> That is so.... WRONG it's overwhelming! So I'll just eliminate the > maxies, for the others that may believe in this group, They use air > pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! <yawn> that's all you have? you're going to pick some nits because I didn't mention the difference between service brakes and parking brakes? and then of course post yet another irelivant link... -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> That is so.... WRONG it's overwhelming! So I'll just eliminate the > maxies, for the others that may believe in this group, They use air > pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! <yawn> that's all you have? you're going to pick some nits because I didn't mention the difference between service brakes and parking brakes? and then of course post yet another irelivant link... -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> hey use air > pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! This is -------- too, the "parking brake" is one of two "cans" (air cannisters) for each drum. they both run off the same air system, the same lines feed them and they both opperate the same drum brake. Yes the service brakes "push" the shoe. Bill don't tell me you're one of those idiots that thinks if you can find anything not mentioned or left unexplained that you've disproven something. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> hey use air > pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! This is -------- too, the "parking brake" is one of two "cans" (air cannisters) for each drum. they both run off the same air system, the same lines feed them and they both opperate the same drum brake. Yes the service brakes "push" the shoe. Bill don't tell me you're one of those idiots that thinks if you can find anything not mentioned or left unexplained that you've disproven something. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> hey use air > pressure to release the parking brakes they are not used in stopping! This is -------- too, the "parking brake" is one of two "cans" (air cannisters) for each drum. they both run off the same air system, the same lines feed them and they both opperate the same drum brake. Yes the service brakes "push" the shoe. Bill don't tell me you're one of those idiots that thinks if you can find anything not mentioned or left unexplained that you've disproven something. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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Noneyabusiness wrote:
> Just found this web page stating that air disk brakes could be better > than drums: > > http://trailer-bodybuilders.com/mag/...sults_support/ Euro comercial trucks have been using discs for years, in fact I seem to recall some of the Volvo's semi's you can find over hear (which are some of the safest and also most comfortable Rigs to drive) have discs. May have only been front discs though. Bill will no doubt wail and nash his teeth over Volvo semi trucks. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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Noneyabusiness wrote:
> Just found this web page stating that air disk brakes could be better > than drums: > > http://trailer-bodybuilders.com/mag/...sults_support/ Euro comercial trucks have been using discs for years, in fact I seem to recall some of the Volvo's semi's you can find over hear (which are some of the safest and also most comfortable Rigs to drive) have discs. May have only been front discs though. Bill will no doubt wail and nash his teeth over Volvo semi trucks. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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Noneyabusiness wrote:
> Just found this web page stating that air disk brakes could be better > than drums: > > http://trailer-bodybuilders.com/mag/...sults_support/ Euro comercial trucks have been using discs for years, in fact I seem to recall some of the Volvo's semi's you can find over hear (which are some of the safest and also most comfortable Rigs to drive) have discs. May have only been front discs though. Bill will no doubt wail and nash his teeth over Volvo semi trucks. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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I like nearly all truck driver drove a million miles sanely, and
never needed the emergency sand pits. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon wrote: > > And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and > reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a > figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. > > PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? |
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I like nearly all truck driver drove a million miles sanely, and
never needed the emergency sand pits. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon wrote: > > And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and > reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a > figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. > > PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? |
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I like nearly all truck driver drove a million miles sanely, and
never needed the emergency sand pits. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon wrote: > > And of course the current system of truck brakes is so wonderful and > reliable that all those emergency dump lanes full of sand are merely a > figment of everyone [but Bill's] imagination. > > PS. Did I miss Bill's obligatory irrelevant link? |
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My Brother-in-law drove a new Volvo with drum brakes, in fact like
most American trucks it used Cummins, Fuller, Eaton: http://www.----------.com/zeigler/truck.htm I can tell you've never driven even a pickup, unless it was another one of your wannabee ricers. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > Euro comercial trucks have been using discs for years, in fact I seem to > recall some of the Volvo's semi's you can find over hear (which are some > of the safest and also most comfortable Rigs to drive) have discs. May > have only been front discs though. Bill will no doubt wail and nash his > teeth over Volvo semi trucks. > > -- > Simon |
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My Brother-in-law drove a new Volvo with drum brakes, in fact like
most American trucks it used Cummins, Fuller, Eaton: http://www.----------.com/zeigler/truck.htm I can tell you've never driven even a pickup, unless it was another one of your wannabee ricers. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > Euro comercial trucks have been using discs for years, in fact I seem to > recall some of the Volvo's semi's you can find over hear (which are some > of the safest and also most comfortable Rigs to drive) have discs. May > have only been front discs though. Bill will no doubt wail and nash his > teeth over Volvo semi trucks. > > -- > Simon |
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My Brother-in-law drove a new Volvo with drum brakes, in fact like
most American trucks it used Cummins, Fuller, Eaton: http://www.----------.com/zeigler/truck.htm I can tell you've never driven even a pickup, unless it was another one of your wannabee ricers. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > Euro comercial trucks have been using discs for years, in fact I seem to > recall some of the Volvo's semi's you can find over hear (which are some > of the safest and also most comfortable Rigs to drive) have discs. May > have only been front discs though. Bill will no doubt wail and nash his > teeth over Volvo semi trucks. > > -- > Simon |
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"nits"?????? It proves your idea of how every commercial truck
works are totally WRONG!!!!!! Just check out a commercial diver's license manual for the information he must know before being allowed to transport 80,000 pounds of commerce, Look it up! Maybe your next statement won't be so foolish: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/comlhdbk/comlhdbk.pdf God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > <yawn> that's all you have? you're going to pick some nits because I > didn't mention the difference between service brakes and parking brakes? > and then of course post yet another irelivant link... > > -- > Simon |
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"nits"?????? It proves your idea of how every commercial truck
works are totally WRONG!!!!!! Just check out a commercial diver's license manual for the information he must know before being allowed to transport 80,000 pounds of commerce, Look it up! Maybe your next statement won't be so foolish: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/comlhdbk/comlhdbk.pdf God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > <yawn> that's all you have? you're going to pick some nits because I > didn't mention the difference between service brakes and parking brakes? > and then of course post yet another irelivant link... > > -- > Simon |
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"nits"?????? It proves your idea of how every commercial truck
works are totally WRONG!!!!!! Just check out a commercial diver's license manual for the information he must know before being allowed to transport 80,000 pounds of commerce, Look it up! Maybe your next statement won't be so foolish: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/comlhdbk/comlhdbk.pdf God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > <yawn> that's all you have? you're going to pick some nits because I > didn't mention the difference between service brakes and parking brakes? > and then of course post yet another irelivant link... > > -- > Simon |
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Another foolish statement! Think about it! How can you pressurize
two cans off the same system, unless you think using one compressor makes all the systems the same????? And the maxis are not one every axle, read the DMV manual! Idiot, thank God we have tests so that people like you aren't allowed to drive a big rig. http://www.flxibleowners.org/flxbk/airbrks.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > This is -------- too, the "parking brake" is one of two "cans" (air > cannisters) for each drum. they both run off the same air system, the > same lines feed them and they both opperate the same drum brake. Yes the > service brakes "push" the shoe. > > Bill don't tell me you're one of those idiots that thinks if you can > find anything not mentioned or left unexplained that you've disproven > something. > > -- > Simon |
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Another foolish statement! Think about it! How can you pressurize
two cans off the same system, unless you think using one compressor makes all the systems the same????? And the maxis are not one every axle, read the DMV manual! Idiot, thank God we have tests so that people like you aren't allowed to drive a big rig. http://www.flxibleowners.org/flxbk/airbrks.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > This is -------- too, the "parking brake" is one of two "cans" (air > cannisters) for each drum. they both run off the same air system, the > same lines feed them and they both opperate the same drum brake. Yes the > service brakes "push" the shoe. > > Bill don't tell me you're one of those idiots that thinks if you can > find anything not mentioned or left unexplained that you've disproven > something. > > -- > Simon |
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Another foolish statement! Think about it! How can you pressurize
two cans off the same system, unless you think using one compressor makes all the systems the same????? And the maxis are not one every axle, read the DMV manual! Idiot, thank God we have tests so that people like you aren't allowed to drive a big rig. http://www.flxibleowners.org/flxbk/airbrks.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > This is -------- too, the "parking brake" is one of two "cans" (air > cannisters) for each drum. they both run off the same air system, the > same lines feed them and they both opperate the same drum brake. Yes the > service brakes "push" the shoe. > > Bill don't tell me you're one of those idiots that thinks if you can > find anything not mentioned or left unexplained that you've disproven > something. > > -- > Simon |
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The tree stump must first post a stupid statement. Which I will
only correct if I believe it to be dangerous to some in this group if they take that word seriously. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ EDWARD BELLUS wrote: > > I think this guy (Bill) would argue with a tree-stump.... if he could > get it to argue back. Be kinda hard for him to throw irrelevant, > obfuscating links at it though. LOL Seek Help. |
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The tree stump must first post a stupid statement. Which I will
only correct if I believe it to be dangerous to some in this group if they take that word seriously. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ EDWARD BELLUS wrote: > > I think this guy (Bill) would argue with a tree-stump.... if he could > get it to argue back. Be kinda hard for him to throw irrelevant, > obfuscating links at it though. LOL Seek Help. |
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The tree stump must first post a stupid statement. Which I will
only correct if I believe it to be dangerous to some in this group if they take that word seriously. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ EDWARD BELLUS wrote: > > I think this guy (Bill) would argue with a tree-stump.... if he could > get it to argue back. Be kinda hard for him to throw irrelevant, > obfuscating links at it though. LOL Seek Help. |
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> "nits"?????? It proves your idea of how every commercial truck > works are totally WRONG!!!!!! Just check out a commercial diver's > license manual for the information he must know before being allowed to > transport 80,000 pounds of commerce, Look it up! Maybe your next > statement won't be so foolish: > http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/comlhdbk/comlhdbk.pdf > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > I work at a printing company and about a month ago I had to go over to our sister building our company owns across town and load rolls of paper on a tractor-trailer. To make a very long story short, I loaded 80,131 lbs of paper rolls on that trailer for the driver to haul back over to the building I work in. Learned the next day it took the driver about 20 minutes to drive the 2 miles between buildings. The trailer was creaking and groaning the whole distance he said. |
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> "nits"?????? It proves your idea of how every commercial truck > works are totally WRONG!!!!!! Just check out a commercial diver's > license manual for the information he must know before being allowed to > transport 80,000 pounds of commerce, Look it up! Maybe your next > statement won't be so foolish: > http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/comlhdbk/comlhdbk.pdf > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > I work at a printing company and about a month ago I had to go over to our sister building our company owns across town and load rolls of paper on a tractor-trailer. To make a very long story short, I loaded 80,131 lbs of paper rolls on that trailer for the driver to haul back over to the building I work in. Learned the next day it took the driver about 20 minutes to drive the 2 miles between buildings. The trailer was creaking and groaning the whole distance he said. |
Re: Jeep Toad
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> "nits"?????? It proves your idea of how every commercial truck > works are totally WRONG!!!!!! Just check out a commercial diver's > license manual for the information he must know before being allowed to > transport 80,000 pounds of commerce, Look it up! Maybe your next > statement won't be so foolish: > http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/comlhdbk/comlhdbk.pdf > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > I work at a printing company and about a month ago I had to go over to our sister building our company owns across town and load rolls of paper on a tractor-trailer. To make a very long story short, I loaded 80,131 lbs of paper rolls on that trailer for the driver to haul back over to the building I work in. Learned the next day it took the driver about 20 minutes to drive the 2 miles between buildings. The trailer was creaking and groaning the whole distance he said. |
Re: Jeep Toad
Look! I'm Bill ------ III.... I deal in vaguenesses and half-truths, I
confront realities by tossing dust in the air. When pinned down.... I will always run off at a tangent and circle back around, claiming to have proven my point. I can't just STFU and let this group go.... I must PROVE my vast superiority every minute. JEEEEEEZUSSSS!!! http://community.webtv.net/EDdaTREE/MUDTHUGS4X4CLUB |
Re: Jeep Toad
Look! I'm Bill ------ III.... I deal in vaguenesses and half-truths, I
confront realities by tossing dust in the air. When pinned down.... I will always run off at a tangent and circle back around, claiming to have proven my point. I can't just STFU and let this group go.... I must PROVE my vast superiority every minute. JEEEEEEZUSSSS!!! http://community.webtv.net/EDdaTREE/MUDTHUGS4X4CLUB |
Re: Jeep Toad
Look! I'm Bill ------ III.... I deal in vaguenesses and half-truths, I
confront realities by tossing dust in the air. When pinned down.... I will always run off at a tangent and circle back around, claiming to have proven my point. I can't just STFU and let this group go.... I must PROVE my vast superiority every minute. JEEEEEEZUSSSS!!! http://community.webtv.net/EDdaTREE/MUDTHUGS4X4CLUB |
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