Re: Jasper has propane for Jeeps
 

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:17:06 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:

> "Unknown" <deev.nil@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2006.07.29.08.57.29.754588@gmail.com...
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:21:44 -0700, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>> > Actually that's what makes expanding gases so dangerous is that it
>> > will cool like air conditioning while turning back into a vapor again,
>> > that's why we must use heater hose to run hot water through the throttle
>> > valve to keep it them from freezing while open and killing another
>> > drive: http://www.----------.com/temp/Holley-REG-LPG-gas.jpg
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:--------------------
>> >
>> > Unknown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I've been looking into running LPG butI would want to be able to switch
>> >> back to gasoline on the fly.
>> >> I also think it would be especially nice to have the liquid expand in
>> >> some air-conditioner coils so I could stay cool from the liquid
>> >> to vapor stage.
>>
>> Ah hell, I guess the damned tank pressure will prevent the fuel from doing
>> any kind of pre-reg vaporising. That's too bad, it's gets awful hot
>> crawling around at 5mph through the woods.
>>
>
> You need to evaporate a significant amount of propane per unit time to
> make this work. That would be much more than could be used by any vehicle
> carburetor, especially crawling around at 5 mph and using minimal fuel. If
> you put the heat-absorbing part of your LPG plumbing inside the cab, you
> would receive some benefit, but hardly enough to make it worth your while.
>
> An air conditioning system, which you could install instead, uses a
> recycling, compressible fluid, and inputs a significant amount of
> horsepower. If you do the heat transfer equations, this translates to
> gallons and gallons of propane, or whatever fluid you want to use, per hour.
> There is really no free lunch here.
>
> You can fix the safety issues, but "I canna' change the laws of physics,
> Cap'n".
>
> Earle

Hmmmmm, maybe if I had a 1500hp monster truck.....

I was reading that, at least, propane could be used to replace the AC
refrigerant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
and there was an interesting gas-absorption refridgerator with no moving
parts that can cool directly from heat energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_abs...n_refrigerator

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Re: Jasper has propane for Jeeps
 

Unknown wrote:

> I was reading that, at least, propane could be used to replace the AC
> refrigerant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
> and there was an interesting gas-absorption refridgerator with no moving
> parts that can cool directly from heat energy.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_abs...n_refrigerator
>


It's an open secret propane works fine in R12 systems with only minor
tweaking of the TXV-in fact, under most circumstances, even without
it. Thousands of vehicles are driving around with propane in the AC
system, cooling fine, in fact as we speak, usually unbeknownst to the
owners.

Two problems: the "heavy ends" and fuel additives in most propane will
foul things up eventually, unless reagent grade propane is used. More
significantly: if the evaporator, particularly, or really any part of
the system leaks...especially the evaporator, because the fumes will
get into the interior..when (not if) it hits a spark, you will have an
explosion. If it's inside the sealed car, the occupants will probably
blow up like VC in the tunnels of Vietnam when the ethane gas was
injected by Special Forces. The only reason strict laws were never
passed against it is because they figured it would only publicize the
practice, and more people would do it. Other than that propane makes a
fine refrigerant.

Servel was the main maker of gas fridges, but now there is a bounty on
them. Their lives are in danger. Save the Servels!

Re: Jasper has propane for Jeeps
 

Unknown wrote:

> I was reading that, at least, propane could be used to replace the AC
> refrigerant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
> and there was an interesting gas-absorption refridgerator with no moving
> parts that can cool directly from heat energy.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_abs...n_refrigerator
>


It's an open secret propane works fine in R12 systems with only minor
tweaking of the TXV-in fact, under most circumstances, even without
it. Thousands of vehicles are driving around with propane in the AC
system, cooling fine, in fact as we speak, usually unbeknownst to the
owners.

Two problems: the "heavy ends" and fuel additives in most propane will
foul things up eventually, unless reagent grade propane is used. More
significantly: if the evaporator, particularly, or really any part of
the system leaks...especially the evaporator, because the fumes will
get into the interior..when (not if) it hits a spark, you will have an
explosion. If it's inside the sealed car, the occupants will probably
blow up like VC in the tunnels of Vietnam when the ethane gas was
injected by Special Forces. The only reason strict laws were never
passed against it is because they figured it would only publicize the
practice, and more people would do it. Other than that propane makes a
fine refrigerant.

Servel was the main maker of gas fridges, but now there is a bounty on
them. Their lives are in danger. Save the Servels!

Re: Jasper has propane for Jeeps
 

Unknown wrote:

> I was reading that, at least, propane could be used to replace the AC
> refrigerant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
> and there was an interesting gas-absorption refridgerator with no moving
> parts that can cool directly from heat energy.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_abs...n_refrigerator
>


It's an open secret propane works fine in R12 systems with only minor
tweaking of the TXV-in fact, under most circumstances, even without
it. Thousands of vehicles are driving around with propane in the AC
system, cooling fine, in fact as we speak, usually unbeknownst to the
owners.

Two problems: the "heavy ends" and fuel additives in most propane will
foul things up eventually, unless reagent grade propane is used. More
significantly: if the evaporator, particularly, or really any part of
the system leaks...especially the evaporator, because the fumes will
get into the interior..when (not if) it hits a spark, you will have an
explosion. If it's inside the sealed car, the occupants will probably
blow up like VC in the tunnels of Vietnam when the ethane gas was
injected by Special Forces. The only reason strict laws were never
passed against it is because they figured it would only publicize the
practice, and more people would do it. Other than that propane makes a
fine refrigerant.

Servel was the main maker of gas fridges, but now there is a bounty on
them. Their lives are in danger. Save the Servels!

Re: Jasper has propane for Jeeps
 

Unknown wrote:

> I was reading that, at least, propane could be used to replace the AC
> refrigerant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
> and there was an interesting gas-absorption refridgerator with no moving
> parts that can cool directly from heat energy.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_abs...n_refrigerator
>


It's an open secret propane works fine in R12 systems with only minor
tweaking of the TXV-in fact, under most circumstances, even without
it. Thousands of vehicles are driving around with propane in the AC
system, cooling fine, in fact as we speak, usually unbeknownst to the
owners.

Two problems: the "heavy ends" and fuel additives in most propane will
foul things up eventually, unless reagent grade propane is used. More
significantly: if the evaporator, particularly, or really any part of
the system leaks...especially the evaporator, because the fumes will
get into the interior..when (not if) it hits a spark, you will have an
explosion. If it's inside the sealed car, the occupants will probably
blow up like VC in the tunnels of Vietnam when the ethane gas was
injected by Special Forces. The only reason strict laws were never
passed against it is because they figured it would only publicize the
practice, and more people would do it. Other than that propane makes a
fine refrigerant.

Servel was the main maker of gas fridges, but now there is a bounty on
them. Their lives are in danger. Save the Servels!

Re: Jasper has propane for Jeeps
 

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:58:52 -0700, Bret Ludwig wrote:

>
> Unknown wrote:
>
>> I was reading that, at least, propane could be used to replace the AC
>> refrigerant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
>> and there was an interesting gas-absorption refridgerator with no moving
>> parts that can cool directly from heat energy.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_abs...n_refrigerator
>>
>
>
> It's an open secret propane works fine in R12 systems with only minor
> tweaking of the TXV-in fact, under most circumstances, even without
> it. Thousands of vehicles are driving around with propane in the AC
> system, cooling fine, in fact as we speak, usually unbeknownst to the
> owners.
>
> Two problems: the "heavy ends" and fuel additives in most propane will
> foul things up eventually, unless reagent grade propane is used. More
> significantly: if the evaporator, particularly, or really any part of
> the system leaks...especially the evaporator, because the fumes will
> get into the interior..when (not if) it hits a spark, you will have an
> explosion. If it's inside the sealed car, the occupants will probably
> blow up like VC in the tunnels of Vietnam when the ethane gas was
> injected by Special Forces. The only reason strict laws were never
> passed against it is because they figured it would only publicize the
> practice, and more people would do it. Other than that propane makes a
> fine refrigerant.
>
> Servel was the main maker of gas fridges, but now there is a bounty on
> them. Their lives are in danger. Save the Servels!

'Reagent' propane, that would be the odorless stuff.... :)


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Re: Jasper has propane for Jeeps
 

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:58:52 -0700, Bret Ludwig wrote:

>
> Unknown wrote:
>
>> I was reading that, at least, propane could be used to replace the AC
>> refrigerant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
>> and there was an interesting gas-absorption refridgerator with no moving
>> parts that can cool directly from heat energy.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_abs...n_refrigerator
>>
>
>
> It's an open secret propane works fine in R12 systems with only minor
> tweaking of the TXV-in fact, under most circumstances, even without
> it. Thousands of vehicles are driving around with propane in the AC
> system, cooling fine, in fact as we speak, usually unbeknownst to the
> owners.
>
> Two problems: the "heavy ends" and fuel additives in most propane will
> foul things up eventually, unless reagent grade propane is used. More
> significantly: if the evaporator, particularly, or really any part of
> the system leaks...especially the evaporator, because the fumes will
> get into the interior..when (not if) it hits a spark, you will have an
> explosion. If it's inside the sealed car, the occupants will probably
> blow up like VC in the tunnels of Vietnam when the ethane gas was
> injected by Special Forces. The only reason strict laws were never
> passed against it is because they figured it would only publicize the
> practice, and more people would do it. Other than that propane makes a
> fine refrigerant.
>
> Servel was the main maker of gas fridges, but now there is a bounty on
> them. Their lives are in danger. Save the Servels!

'Reagent' propane, that would be the odorless stuff.... :)


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Re: Jasper has propane for Jeeps
 

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:58:52 -0700, Bret Ludwig wrote:

>
> Unknown wrote:
>
>> I was reading that, at least, propane could be used to replace the AC
>> refrigerant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
>> and there was an interesting gas-absorption refridgerator with no moving
>> parts that can cool directly from heat energy.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_abs...n_refrigerator
>>
>
>
> It's an open secret propane works fine in R12 systems with only minor
> tweaking of the TXV-in fact, under most circumstances, even without
> it. Thousands of vehicles are driving around with propane in the AC
> system, cooling fine, in fact as we speak, usually unbeknownst to the
> owners.
>
> Two problems: the "heavy ends" and fuel additives in most propane will
> foul things up eventually, unless reagent grade propane is used. More
> significantly: if the evaporator, particularly, or really any part of
> the system leaks...especially the evaporator, because the fumes will
> get into the interior..when (not if) it hits a spark, you will have an
> explosion. If it's inside the sealed car, the occupants will probably
> blow up like VC in the tunnels of Vietnam when the ethane gas was
> injected by Special Forces. The only reason strict laws were never
> passed against it is because they figured it would only publicize the
> practice, and more people would do it. Other than that propane makes a
> fine refrigerant.
>
> Servel was the main maker of gas fridges, but now there is a bounty on
> them. Their lives are in danger. Save the Servels!

'Reagent' propane, that would be the odorless stuff.... :)


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Re: Jasper has propane for Jeeps
 

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:58:52 -0700, Bret Ludwig wrote:

>
> Unknown wrote:
>
>> I was reading that, at least, propane could be used to replace the AC
>> refrigerant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
>> and there was an interesting gas-absorption refridgerator with no moving
>> parts that can cool directly from heat energy.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_abs...n_refrigerator
>>
>
>
> It's an open secret propane works fine in R12 systems with only minor
> tweaking of the TXV-in fact, under most circumstances, even without
> it. Thousands of vehicles are driving around with propane in the AC
> system, cooling fine, in fact as we speak, usually unbeknownst to the
> owners.
>
> Two problems: the "heavy ends" and fuel additives in most propane will
> foul things up eventually, unless reagent grade propane is used. More
> significantly: if the evaporator, particularly, or really any part of
> the system leaks...especially the evaporator, because the fumes will
> get into the interior..when (not if) it hits a spark, you will have an
> explosion. If it's inside the sealed car, the occupants will probably
> blow up like VC in the tunnels of Vietnam when the ethane gas was
> injected by Special Forces. The only reason strict laws were never
> passed against it is because they figured it would only publicize the
> practice, and more people would do it. Other than that propane makes a
> fine refrigerant.
>
> Servel was the main maker of gas fridges, but now there is a bounty on
> them. Their lives are in danger. Save the Servels!

'Reagent' propane, that would be the odorless stuff.... :)


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