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Inside Toyota's Hybrid Truck
"...On Jan. 13 [Toyota] will take the wraps off yet another vehicle
that could have embattled American automakers scrambling to catch up. A new concept truck, dubbed A-BAT, will make its debut...at the 2008 North American International Auto Show in Detroit. And there's a twist: The tough-looking pickup packs a hybrid gas-electric power supply to reduce emissions and improve fuel economy...." Business Week article: http://xrl.us/HybridTruck |
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NICE
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"Frank" <frankdross@comcast.net> wrote in message news:zMOdnR7f4KdYEejanZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com. .. > NICE > You mean like the Chevy Silverado that debuted in 2004? Whitelightning |
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"Frank" <frankdross@comcast.net> wrote in message news:zMOdnR7f4KdYEejanZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com. .. > NICE > UGLY! |
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ugly doesn't even begin to describe it.
"bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote in message news:w9SdnWA06veOI-janZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "Frank" <frankdross@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:zMOdnR7f4KdYEejanZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> NICE >> > > UGLY! > > |
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It's also not even close to being a truck
"Troy Sigwing" <sigwings@SPAMSUCKSverizon.net> wrote in message news:INsdj.372$jX4.61@trnddc07... > ugly doesn't even begin to describe it. > > > "bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote in message > news:w9SdnWA06veOI-janZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> "Frank" <frankdross@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:zMOdnR7f4KdYEejanZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> NICE >>> >> >> UGLY! >> >> > > |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:09:11 GMT, "Whitelightning"
<white.lightning2@verizon.net> wrote: > >"Frank" <frankdross@comcast.net> wrote in message >news:zMOdnR7f4KdYEejanZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com ... >> NICE >> >You mean like the Chevy Silverado that debuted in 2004? > >Whitelightning > Not really the same. The Silverado is actually a truck. And it doesn't really get very good gas mileage. |
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The size of a Rav 4, and able to fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood. Although it's
one of the ugliest cars I've seen, both inside and out, I bet it appeals to a certain segment. I wonder how long it would take the camper manufactures to design a topper for it and how much uglier that would make it. "Battleax" <unavailable@thistime.net> wrote in message news:28a59$47766ef8$d1d963c4$24914@PRIMUS.CA... > It's also not even close to being a truck > > > "Troy Sigwing" <sigwings@SPAMSUCKSverizon.net> wrote in message > news:INsdj.372$jX4.61@trnddc07... >> ugly doesn't even begin to describe it. >> >> >> "bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote in message >> news:w9SdnWA06veOI-janZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> >>> "Frank" <frankdross@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> news:zMOdnR7f4KdYEejanZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>> NICE >>>> >>> >>> UGLY! >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
> "...On Jan. 13 [Toyota] will take the wraps off yet another vehicle > that could have embattled American automakers scrambling to catch up. A > new concept truck, dubbed A-BAT, will make its debut...at the 2008 > North American International Auto Show in Detroit. And there's a twist: > The tough-looking pickup packs a hybrid gas-electric power supply to > reduce emissions and improve fuel economy...." > > Business Week article: http://xrl.us/HybridTruck > That is not a TRUCK, that is a warthog, amalgamated with an Avalanche with a touch of Darth Vader thrown in. Ugly doesn't quite describe it, it is worse. But, knowing American consumers, it will sell. George |
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Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in
news:e19292d25161afc44a63d7a847ea0f96@dizum.com: > "...On Jan. 13 [Toyota] will take the wraps off yet another vehicle > that could have embattled American automakers scrambling to catch up. A > new concept truck, dubbed A-BAT, will make its debut...at the 2008 > North American International Auto Show in Detroit. And there's a twist: > The tough-looking pickup packs a hybrid gas-electric power supply to > reduce emissions and improve fuel economy...." > > Business Week article: http://xrl.us/HybridTruck > New BATmobile ? |
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"bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote in message news:w9SdnWA06veOI-janZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "Frank" <frankdross@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:zMOdnR7f4KdYEejanZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> NICE >> > > UGLY! > > I agree. Just what the hell is that thing?? And all the yellow trim on it makes it look like a Tonka toy. I wouldn't want all that stuff on my truck. |
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"Ed H." <edo.hart@verizon.net> wrote in message news:7czdj.451$jX4.264@trnddc07... > The size of a Rav 4, and able to fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood. Although > it's one of the ugliest cars I've seen, both inside and out, I bet it > appeals to a certain segment. I wonder how long it would take the camper > manufactures to design a topper for it and how much uglier that would make > it. > I don't think it can get much uglier than it is.... |
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"KC" <kevinceddy@gmail.com> wrote in message news:646c58ca-025a-441f-8ef9-6d641447bd11@z26g2000pre.googlegroups.com... On Dec 28, 5:40 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote: >I see a lot of people think its ugly, but personally, I think it looks >pretty cool. >It'd be perfect for my needs. I drive a '96 T100 single cab now, but >I can't fit my whole family in it. I love that its green, too. I >think it will sell. Green is relative.... The batteries for these Hybrids are made in canada, where for 1000 yards around the plant nothing grows due to the chemicals that make up the batteries....The amount of Fuel used to ship the chemicals and raw materials for the batteries to canada, and then the fuel used to ship the comleted units to Japan outweight your 2% fuel savings over the life of the vehicle.... |
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Topp@Work wrote:
> "KC" <kevinceddy@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:646c58ca-025a-441f-8ef9-6d641447bd11@z26g2000pre.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 28, 5:40 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote: > > >> I see a lot of people think its ugly, but personally, I think it >> looks pretty cool. >> It'd be perfect for my needs. I drive a '96 T100 single cab now, >> but >> I can't fit my whole family in it. I love that its green, too. I >> think it will sell. > > Green is relative.... > The batteries for these Hybrids are made in canada, Source, please? Why would Toyota, which has perfectly capable battery manufacturers nearby, use Canadian batteries? > where for 1000 > yards around the plant nothing > grows due to the chemicals that make up the batteries.... Source, please? > The amount > of Fuel used to ship the chemicals and > raw materials for the batteries to canada, and then the fuel used to > ship the comleted units to Japan outweight your 2% fuel savings > over the life of the vehicle.... And of course you can produce the numbers to support this contention. I believe that if you actually investigate instead of relying on what somebody told you you will find that the "plant" in question is the International Nickel Company (which is _not_ owned by Toyota) mine and refining plant in Sudbury that has been producing a high percentage of the nickel used in the world since 1870, and that most of the environmental damage occurred prior to 1970 when there was a major cleanup of the plant. Further, if you find the Sudbury plant on Google Earth and measure the distance to the nearest tree you will find that it is about 100 yards away. What do _you_ think should be done to address energy consumption and pollution by automobiles? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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And then no one talks about what the effect of disposal of the batteries
will have. Ron Topp@Work wrote: > "KC" <kevinceddy@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:646c58ca-025a-441f-8ef9-6d641447bd11@z26g2000pre.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 28, 5:40 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote: > > > >>I see a lot of people think its ugly, but personally, I think it looks >>pretty cool. >>It'd be perfect for my needs. I drive a '96 T100 single cab now, but >>I can't fit my whole family in it. I love that its green, too. I >>think it will sell. > > > Green is relative.... > The batteries for these Hybrids are made in canada, where for 1000 yards > around the plant nothing > grows due to the chemicals that make up the batteries....The amount of Fuel > used to ship the chemicals and > raw materials for the batteries to canada, and then the fuel used to ship > the comleted units to Japan outweight your 2% fuel savings > over the life of the vehicle.... > > |
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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message news:flb05l02msf@news5.newsguy.com... Since Nickel is not mined in Japan in any quantity, how do you think it gets there??? Just like steak, shipped and marked up... Currently the charge is usually under 100 USD a ton... but they use Diesel engines.... that have no emmission controls... for thousands of miles at a time....crossing oceans,..... Here are your cites: " The battery pollution is substantial because the creation of the batteries requires destructive mining to produce the batteries and the caustic substances that power the batteries must later be disposed of. The caustic substances that power the batteries are very poisonous and when released into the environment leech into the waterways and poison groundwater. " http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~coreyp/hybridenvimp.html Todays map of the Nickel mine that is where some of the raw materials come from: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...988&iwloc=addr Nice GREEN water...poluting the water table.... Miles of eco-disaster...... Here is how Nickel Ore is processed: http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=us Read the part of Waste Characteristics on... considering you only get a slight bit of nickel, per TON of environment destroyed, I guess thats green to you... Nice healthy chemicals (Sulfuric Acid) are used to get the nickel out..... So healthy, in fact that Chroming is actaully so regulated now(similar process and chemicals used) that many small shops can no longer do it.... I wonder what the Sulfur dioxide thats pumped into the environment to process this ore for batteries does.... Oh...I know....ACID RAIN: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Rain_Program > > What do _you_ think should be done to address energy consumption and > pollution by automobiles? Well, put simply, most people point to Bio-deisel... See, electric cars would be nice, but that means pluggin into yer house, which gets power from the COAL plants....More bad air .... Hydrogen would be nice too---but it is not cost effective to release the H from the "Two O".... So biodeisel would be a good start. |
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Cool looking vehicle!
It's the way of the future. People who can't accept something like this are dinosaurs. Yesterday was yesterday, live for tomorrow, or don't you want you grand children to be able to breath natural oxygen? As far as battery disposal goes... Actually very easy. On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:53:05 -0600, "David Coleman" <hickman@ktc.com> wrote: > >"bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote in message >news:w9SdnWA06veOI-janZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> "Frank" <frankdross@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:zMOdnR7f4KdYEejanZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> NICE >>> >> >> UGLY! >> >> > >I agree. Just what the hell is that thing?? And all the yellow trim on it >makes it look like a Tonka toy. I wouldn't want all that stuff on my truck. > |
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Cool looking vehicle! It's the way of the future. People who can't accept something like this are dinosaurs. Yesterday was yesterday, live for tomorrow, or don't you want you grand children to be able to breath natural oxygen? As far as battery disposal goes... Actually very easy. It's called recycling! On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:53:05 -0600, "David Coleman" <hickman@ktc.com> wrote: > >"bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote in message >news:w9SdnWA06veOI-janZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> "Frank" <frankdross@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:zMOdnR7f4KdYEejanZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> NICE >>> >> >> UGLY! >> >> > >I agree. Just what the hell is that thing?? And all the yellow trim on it >makes it look like a Tonka toy. I wouldn't want all that stuff on my truck. > |
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Topp@Work wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message > news:flb05l02msf@news5.newsguy.com... > > > Since Nickel is not mined in Japan in any quantity, how do you think > it gets > there??? > Just like steak, shipped and marked up... > Currently the charge is usually under 100 USD a ton... So what does that work out to in energy cost? > but they use Diesel engines.... > that have no emmission controls... > for thousands of miles at a time....crossing oceans,..... So do you have numbers for emissions per ton mile for diesel powered merchant ships? And what exempts ships carrying nickel from Canada to Japan from MARPOL Annex VI? > Here are your cites: > " The battery pollution is substantial because the creation of the > batteries > requires destructive mining to produce the batteries and the caustic > substances that power the batteries must later be disposed of. The > caustic > substances that power the batteries are very poisonous and when > released > into the environment leech into the waterways and poison > groundwater. > " > http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~coreyp/hybridenvimp.html I see no numbers. Define "substantial". > Todays map of the Nickel mine that is where some of the raw > materials > come > from: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...988&iwloc=addr > > Nice GREEN water...poluting the water table.... At what location is it "pouring"? > Miles of eco-disaster...... In your opinion. > Here is how Nickel Ore is processed: > http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=us > > Read the part of Waste Characteristics on... > considering you only get a slight bit of nickel, per TON of > environment > destroyed, I guess thats green to you... What makes you think that mining a tone of nickel ore destroys a ton of environment? Seems to me that if nickel is so all fired horrible then perhaps the local environment is being improved by its removal. > Nice healthy chemicals (Sulfuric Acid) are used to get the nickel > out..... You'd be happier if it was hydrochloric? How much of that sulfuric acid leaves the refinery? I don't want to see "lots" or "too much" or some other bogus appeal to emotion, I want to see a number and a percentage of total sulfuric acid production. > So healthy, in fact that Chroming is actaully so regulated > now(similar > process and chemicals used) that many small shops > can no longer do it.... What, exactly, do you think that electroplating has to do with the production of nickel? Yet another irrational appeal to emotion. > I wonder what the Sulfur dioxide thats pumped into the environment > to > process this ore for batteries does.... > Oh...I know....ACID RAIN: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Rain_Program Exactly how much sulfur dioxide would that be? Again I want to see a number, not an irrational appeal to emotion. >> What do _you_ think should be done to address energy consumption >> and >> pollution by automobiles? > > Well, put simply, most people point to Bio-deisel... What percentage of people is "most"? How much acreage has to be devoted to the production of bio-diesel to meet the demand? What are the environmental costs of the production of bio-diesel? How much synthetic fertilizer and how many tons of pesticides have to be applied each year? > See, electric cars would be nice, but that means pluggin into yer > house, > which gets power from the COAL plants.... Care to compare the pollution numbers from coal fired baseload power plants to those of automotive diesel engines producing the equivalent amount of energy? > More bad air .... > Hydrogen would be nice too---but it is not cost effective to release > the H > from the "Two O".... Neither is biodiesel. > So biodeisel would be a good start. And where is the end? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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> Hydrogen would be nice too---but it is not cost effective to release the H > from the "Two O".... I think you need to release the H2 from the O. -- Bearman America: Land of the free because of the brave. |
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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message news:flbe7u0h46@news5.newsguy.com... > > So do you have numbers for emissions per ton mile for diesel powered > merchant ships? And what exempts ships carrying nickel from Canada to > Japan from MARPOL Annex VI? > Well nothing, BUT we demand ultra low sulfter fuel for vehicles, the allowed amount is 15ppm. Yet MARPOL Annex VI allows 2.9-4 % m/m sulfer content. If I searched correctly and I believe I did: 0.10% m/m is 1000ppm. So marpol allows up to 40,000 ppm sulfer content. Now then I got the break down on allowed by MARPOL from their web site. I got break down of 5 m/m to ppm from http://www.enginemanufacturers.org/i...uelcharter.pdf Whitelightning |
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Whitelightning wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message > news:flbe7u0h46@news5.newsguy.com... >> >> So do you have numbers for emissions per ton mile for diesel >> powered >> merchant ships? And what exempts ships carrying nickel from Canada >> to Japan from MARPOL Annex VI? >> > Well nothing, BUT we demand ultra low sulfter fuel for vehicles, the > allowed amount is 15ppm. > > Yet MARPOL Annex VI allows 2.9-4 % m/m sulfer content. > If I searched correctly and I believe I did: > 0.10% m/m is 1000ppm. So marpol allows up to 40,000 ppm sulfer > content. Now then I got the break down on allowed by MARPOL from > their web site. I got break down of 5 m/m to ppm from > http://www.enginemanufacturers.org/i...uelcharter.pdf So what? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message news:flb05l02msf@news5.newsguy.com... > Topp@Work wrote: >> "KC" <kevinceddy@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:646c58ca-025a-441f-8ef9-6d641447bd11@z26g2000pre.googlegroups.com... >> On Dec 28, 5:40 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote: >> >> >>> I see a lot of people think its ugly, but personally, I think it >>> looks pretty cool. >>> It'd be perfect for my needs. I drive a '96 T100 single cab now, >>> but >>> I can't fit my whole family in it. I love that its green, too. I >>> think it will sell. >> >> Green is relative.... >> The batteries for these Hybrids are made in canada, > > Source, please? Why would Toyota, which has perfectly capable battery > manufacturers nearby, use Canadian batteries? > >> where for 1000 >> yards around the plant nothing >> grows due to the chemicals that make up the batteries.... > > Source, please? > >> The amount >> of Fuel used to ship the chemicals and >> raw materials for the batteries to canada, and then the fuel used to >> ship the comleted units to Japan outweight your 2% fuel savings >> over the life of the vehicle.... > > And of course you can produce the numbers to support this contention. > > I believe that if you actually investigate instead of relying on what > somebody told you you will find that the "plant" in question is the > International Nickel Company (which is _not_ owned by Toyota) mine and > refining plant in Sudbury that has been producing a high percentage of > the nickel used in the world since 1870, and that most of the > environmental damage occurred prior to 1970 when there was a major > cleanup of the plant. Further, if you find the Sudbury plant on > Google Earth and measure the distance to the nearest tree you will > find that it is about 100 yards away. > > What do _you_ think should be done to address energy consumption and > pollution by automobiles? I think Volkswagon should bring back the '78 Rabbit. I got 35 MPG mixed city/highway driving (highway speeds of 70 MPH) and as good as 50 MPG at 55 MPH for a long distance. That's pretty close to matching, or bettering today's hybrids, with their more expensive batteries. > > -- > -- > --John > to email, dial "usenet" and validate > (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > > |
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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but most of the h2 generated in North
America comes from "cracking" Nat'l gas. I do it every day. And btw, the process I use liberates more H2 than what is in the gas to start with. Regards, JR "bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote in message news:p8ednRS7db9j9uTanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > .... >> Hydrogen would be nice too---but it is not cost effective to release the >> H >> from the "Two O".... > > > I think you need to release the H2 from the O. > > -- > Bearman > > America: Land of the free because of the brave. > |
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JR wrote:
> Not to rain on anyone's parade, but most of the h2 generated in > North > America comes from "cracking" Nat'l gas. > I do it every day. And btw, the process I use liberates more H2 than > what is in the gas to start with. Interesting. Can enough be generated in that fashion to provide energy equivalent to the current consumption of gasoline? If you're getting more hydrogen out than was in the natural gas to begin with one would expect so. > Regards, > JR > > > "bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote in message > news:p8ednRS7db9j9uTanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> .... >>> Hydrogen would be nice too---but it is not cost effective to >>> release the H >>> from the "Two O".... >> >> >> I think you need to release the H2 from the O. >> >> -- >> Bearman >> >> America: Land of the free because of the brave. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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OK I will try to explain this as best I can off the top of my head.
The steam used to "crack" the gas is created in a small boiler that is also gas fired. The waste gas stream from the burner contains H2 as well as other unburned hydrocarbons. These are collected as well and run thru a series of catalytic converters and stripped from the waste gas and reintroduced to the cracking chamber at moderate pressure 2-300 psig. The spent steam itself is also a small source of H2 as the flashed vapor is sent thru yet another process (semi-permeable membrane filter) as it is enroute to a collection vessel and discarded. All liquid waste is piped to our chemical waste treatment plant. The final waste gas stream is scrubbed and released from a short stack as a mix of inert gasses. This process produces roughly 10,000 cubic ft of H2/hour @ 200 psig using roughly 6,800 cubic ft of Nat'l gas/hour @ 80 psig. I will leave it to you calculate the energy available in each. I just want the H2 for other processes. There ain't no free lunch, but we are constantly working on increasing the efficiency of the process. Will this replace gasoline? I don't think so yet if you want to burn the H2 as a fuel, maybe in a few years as better methods of mobile storage and new engines are developed. It could replace gasoline now if used in a fuel cell to generate electricity. The equipment I use was originally designed as an on site source of H2 at a network of refueling stations across the country. Part of the H2 infrastructure so to speak. The H2 generating unit itself will fit in the back of a 20 ft van truck. All it needs is a source of softwater ,Nat'l gas, and electricity. It's pretty cool stuff. Regards, JR "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message news:fldboh01v5u@news2.newsguy.com... > JR wrote: >> Not to rain on anyone's parade, but most of the h2 generated in >> North >> America comes from "cracking" Nat'l gas. >> I do it every day. And btw, the process I use liberates more H2 than >> what is in the gas to start with. > > Interesting. Can enough be generated in that fashion to provide > energy equivalent to the current consumption of gasoline? If you're > getting more hydrogen out than was in the natural gas to begin with > one would expect so. > >> Regards, >> JR >> >> >> "bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote in message >> news:p8ednRS7db9j9uTanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> .... >>>> Hydrogen would be nice too---but it is not cost effective to >>>> release the H >>>> from the "Two O".... >>> >>> >>> I think you need to release the H2 from the O. >>> >>> -- >>> Bearman >>> >>> America: Land of the free because of the brave. > > -- > -- > --John > to email, dial "usenet" and validate > (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > > |
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:41:51 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote: >Whitelightning wrote: >> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:flbe7u0h46@news5.newsguy.com... >>> >>> So do you have numbers for emissions per ton mile for diesel >>> powered >>> merchant ships? And what exempts ships carrying nickel from Canada >>> to Japan from MARPOL Annex VI? >>> >> Well nothing, BUT we demand ultra low sulfter fuel for vehicles, the >> allowed amount is 15ppm. >> >> Yet MARPOL Annex VI allows 2.9-4 % m/m sulfer content. >> If I searched correctly and I believe I did: >> 0.10% m/m is 1000ppm. So marpol allows up to 40,000 ppm sulfer >> content. Now then I got the break down on allowed by MARPOL from >> their web site. I got break down of 5 m/m to ppm from >> http://www.enginemanufacturers.org/i...uelcharter.pdf > > >So what? > >-- So you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. |
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 07:12:35 -0500, J. Clarke rearranged some electrons to
say: > JR wrote: >> Not to rain on anyone's parade, but most of the h2 generated in North >> America comes from "cracking" Nat'l gas. I do it every day. And btw, >> the process I use liberates more H2 than what is in the gas to start >> with. > > Interesting. Can enough be generated in that fashion to provide energy > equivalent to the current consumption of gasoline? I doubt it. The cracking process requires steam, which requires energy to produce it. One needs to be very careful when comparing fuel sources... the energy required to convert them into a usable form has to be taken into account. |
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david wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 07:12:35 -0500, J. Clarke rearranged some > electrons to say: > >> JR wrote: >>> Not to rain on anyone's parade, but most of the h2 generated in >>> North America comes from "cracking" Nat'l gas. I do it every day. >>> And btw, the process I use liberates more H2 than what is in the >>> gas to start with. >> >> Interesting. Can enough be generated in that fashion to provide >> energy equivalent to the current consumption of gasoline? > > I doubt it. The cracking process requires steam, which requires > energy to produce it. One needs to be very careful when comparing > fuel sources... the energy required to convert them into a usable > form has to be taken into account. Cracking crude oil to gasoline requires energy too, does it not? The question is whether the energy required to make the steam is greater than the energy to be derived by converting the resulting hydrogen into energy either by combustion in an engine or by use in a fuel cell. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:32:34 -0500, J. Clarke rearranged some electrons to
say: > The > question is whether the energy required to make the steam is greater > than the energy to be derived by converting the resulting hydrogen into > energy either by combustion in an engine or by use in a fuel cell. > Indeed, that is the question for *any* fuel source... how much net energy is gleaned from it? Until that question is answered, you're comparing apples to oranges. |
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J. Clarke wrote:
> call a king "Prince" is pleasing, because it diminishes his rank. and a bunch of other crap. Trouble is that J. Clarke didn't write it, some ------- forging headers wrote it. Complaint filed. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
Re: Inside Toyota's Hybrid Truck
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:07:36 GMT, Socks <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote:
>of God, if they are not Jesus Christ. He has adopted our >sins, and has us into union, for virtues are His own, and sins are foreign >to Him; while virtues are foreign to us, and our sins are our own. > >Let us change the rule which we have hitherto chosen for judging what is >good. We had our own will as our rule. Let us now take the will of God; all >that He wills is good and right to us, all that He does not will is bad. > >All that God does not permit is forbidden. Sins are forbidden by the general >declaration that God has made, that He did not allow them. Other things >which He has left without general prohibition, and which for that reason are >said to be permitted, are nevertheless not always permitted. For when God >removed some one of them from us, and when, by the event, which is a >manifestation of the will of God, it appears that God does not will that we >should have a thing, that is then forbidden to us as sin; since the will of >God is that we should not have one more than another. There is this sole >difference between these two things, that it is certain that God will never >allow sin, while it is not certain that He will never allow the other. But >so long as God does not permit it, we ought to regard it as sin; so long as >the absence of God's will, which alone is all goodness and all justice, >renders it unjust and wrong. > >669. To change the type, because of our weakness. > >670. Types.--The Jews had grown old in these earthly thoughts, that God >loved their father Abraham, his flesh and what sprung from it; that on >account of this He had multiplied them and distinguished them from all other >nations, without allowing them to intermingle; that, when they were >languishing in Egypt, He brought them out with all these great signs in >their favour; that He fed them with manna in the desert, and led them into a >very rich land; that He gave them kings > I DON'T KNOW WHO THE ---- WROTE THE ABOVE --------... BUT IT WAS MOST CERTAINLY NOT ME. I AM AN ATHEIST. THAT MEANS I DON'T BELEIVE IN JESUS, GOD OR ANY OF THAT OTHER "HOLY ----" THAT DOES ALONG WITH IT. I DON'T BUY INTO THE MASSES RELEGIOUS GARBAGE. WARS ARE STARTED BECAUSE OF RELIGION, MOSTLY DUE TO GREED. SO WHO EVERPOSTED THE ABOVE CRAP... ROTT IN HELL! :) |
Re: Inside Toyota's Hybrid Truck
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:07:36 GMT, Socks <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote:
>of God, if they are not Jesus Christ. He has adopted our >sins, and has us into union, for virtues are His own, and sins are foreign >to Him; while virtues are foreign to us, and our sins are our own. > >Let us change the rule which we have hitherto chosen for judging what is >good. We had our own will as our rule. Let us now take the will of God; all >that He wills is good and right to us, all that He does not will is bad. > >All that God does not permit is forbidden. Sins are forbidden by the general >declaration that God has made, that He did not allow them. Other things >which He has left without general prohibition, and which for that reason are >said to be permitted, are nevertheless not always permitted. For when God >removed some one of them from us, and when, by the event, which is a >manifestation of the will of God, it appears that God does not will that we >should have a thing, that is then forbidden to us as sin; since the will of >God is that we should not have one more than another. There is this sole >difference between these two things, that it is certain that God will never >allow sin, while it is not certain that He will never allow the other. But >so long as God does not permit it, we ought to regard it as sin; so long as >the absence of God's will, which alone is all goodness and all justice, >renders it unjust and wrong. > >669. To change the type, because of our weakness. > >670. Types.--The Jews had grown old in these earthly thoughts, that God >loved their father Abraham, his flesh and what sprung from it; that on >account of this He had multiplied them and distinguished them from all other >nations, without allowing them to intermingle; that, when they were >languishing in Egypt, He brought them out with all these great signs in >their favour; that He fed them with manna in the desert, and led them into a >very rich land; that He gave them kings > I DON'T KNOW WHO THE ---- WROTE THE ABOVE --------... BUT IT WAS MOST CERTAINLY NOT ME. I AM AN ATHEIST. THAT MEANS I DON'T BELEIVE IN JESUS, GOD OR ANY OF THAT OTHER "HOLY ----" THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. I DON'T BUY INTO THE MASSES RELEGIOUS GARBAGE. WARS ARE STARTED BECAUSE OF RELIGION, MOSTLY DUE TO GREED. HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED THAT WHOEVER PAYS THE MOST AT DONATION TIME AT A CONGREATION IN CHURCH GETS TO SIT THE CLOSEST TO THE PREACHER MAN? I THOUGHT THAT ALL CREATURES WERE CREATED EAQUAL IN THE EYES OF GOD! OH SURE. SO WHO EVER POSTED THIS ------- BULL ---- CAN ROTT IN YOUR OWN HELL. OH... I FORGOT... LICK ME WHERE I ----. AND WHEN YOU ARE DONE, LET PISS ALL OVER YOUR FACE SO YOU CAN CLEAN UP. |
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