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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycan be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <B_udnW3M_c2XuFCiRTvUrg@texas.net>, Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
>Brandon Sommerville wrote: > >> On Tue, 02 Dec 03 15:40:02 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) >> wrote: >> >> >>>No, you reject facts that don't fit your dogma. That's creationism. >> >> >> This is priceless. > > >Indeed. Especially since Lloyd is defining himself as a creationist. He >rejects facts that don't fit his dogma (see the Suzuki/CR thread), Nobody presented any "facts" there, just Suzuki's propaganda. Perhaps the problem with you right-wing Taliban is you don't know what a "fact" is. >therefore he's a creationist! > >As you said, priceless. > > |
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycan be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <B_udnW3M_c2XuFCiRTvUrg@texas.net>, Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
>Brandon Sommerville wrote: > >> On Tue, 02 Dec 03 15:40:02 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) >> wrote: >> >> >>>No, you reject facts that don't fit your dogma. That's creationism. >> >> >> This is priceless. > > >Indeed. Especially since Lloyd is defining himself as a creationist. He >rejects facts that don't fit his dogma (see the Suzuki/CR thread), Nobody presented any "facts" there, just Suzuki's propaganda. Perhaps the problem with you right-wing Taliban is you don't know what a "fact" is. >therefore he's a creationist! > >As you said, priceless. > > |
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycan be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <B_udnW3M_c2XuFCiRTvUrg@texas.net>, Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
>Brandon Sommerville wrote: > >> On Tue, 02 Dec 03 15:40:02 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) >> wrote: >> >> >>>No, you reject facts that don't fit your dogma. That's creationism. >> >> >> This is priceless. > > >Indeed. Especially since Lloyd is defining himself as a creationist. He >rejects facts that don't fit his dogma (see the Suzuki/CR thread), Nobody presented any "facts" there, just Suzuki's propaganda. Perhaps the problem with you right-wing Taliban is you don't know what a "fact" is. >therefore he's a creationist! > >As you said, priceless. > > |
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <3FCD2603.3BC69F50@kinez.net>,
Bill Putney <bputney@kinez.net> wrote: > > >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> >> In article <3FCCE917.CEB3EFBE@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote: >> >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> > >> >> In article <MfVyb.61262$t01.28458@twister.socal.rr.com>, >> >> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:NHTyb.384552$HS4.3166098@attbi_s01... >> >> >> In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I think z would go for the California model for "conservation" wherein >> >> >> > you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then, >> when >> >> >> > the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy >> goes >> >> >> > up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't >> afford >> >> >> > to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is forced >> >> >> > down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh one >> >> >> > catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out their >> >> >> > term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the >> >> >> > government. >> >> >> >> >> >> You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the >> >> >> higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had "free" >> >> >(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care outstripped >> the >> >> >supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people >> with >> >> >money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go wait >> in >> >> >line at the clinic and hope for decent care. >> >> >> >> As opposed to here, where if you don't have insurance, or aren't rich, you >> >> either go bankrupt or do without any care? >> > >> >Again Lloyd, not true, except perhaps in your alternate reality, where >> (unnamed) >> >people in this group are Taliban that stone women for learning to read and >> shoot >> >as US troops . Hospitals may not turn people away for care by law. >> > >> Only in an emergency is a hospital required to treat anybody, and as soon as >> they're "stable" they can be turned out. Need dialysis? No hospital is >> required to do that for free, for example. > >You're free to pay for their healthcare any time you want. But what >idiot believes that they have the right to reach into my pocket and take >what is mine (it's called stealing). So - really - who is preventing >you and anyone who feels that way from paying for the treatment of these >people? You have that right, as do I - but by freedom of will - not by >confiscation. > It's called living in a society. Society has the right to compel you to pay taxes, and it's the height of idiocy to call it stealing or theft. If you don't want to live in a society, you can leave. Nobody's keeping you here. >Bill Putney >(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >address with "x") > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <3FCD2603.3BC69F50@kinez.net>,
Bill Putney <bputney@kinez.net> wrote: > > >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> >> In article <3FCCE917.CEB3EFBE@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote: >> >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> > >> >> In article <MfVyb.61262$t01.28458@twister.socal.rr.com>, >> >> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:NHTyb.384552$HS4.3166098@attbi_s01... >> >> >> In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I think z would go for the California model for "conservation" wherein >> >> >> > you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then, >> when >> >> >> > the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy >> goes >> >> >> > up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't >> afford >> >> >> > to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is forced >> >> >> > down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh one >> >> >> > catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out their >> >> >> > term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the >> >> >> > government. >> >> >> >> >> >> You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the >> >> >> higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had "free" >> >> >(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care outstripped >> the >> >> >supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people >> with >> >> >money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go wait >> in >> >> >line at the clinic and hope for decent care. >> >> >> >> As opposed to here, where if you don't have insurance, or aren't rich, you >> >> either go bankrupt or do without any care? >> > >> >Again Lloyd, not true, except perhaps in your alternate reality, where >> (unnamed) >> >people in this group are Taliban that stone women for learning to read and >> shoot >> >as US troops . Hospitals may not turn people away for care by law. >> > >> Only in an emergency is a hospital required to treat anybody, and as soon as >> they're "stable" they can be turned out. Need dialysis? No hospital is >> required to do that for free, for example. > >You're free to pay for their healthcare any time you want. But what >idiot believes that they have the right to reach into my pocket and take >what is mine (it's called stealing). So - really - who is preventing >you and anyone who feels that way from paying for the treatment of these >people? You have that right, as do I - but by freedom of will - not by >confiscation. > It's called living in a society. Society has the right to compel you to pay taxes, and it's the height of idiocy to call it stealing or theft. If you don't want to live in a society, you can leave. Nobody's keeping you here. >Bill Putney >(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >address with "x") > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <3FCD2603.3BC69F50@kinez.net>,
Bill Putney <bputney@kinez.net> wrote: > > >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> >> In article <3FCCE917.CEB3EFBE@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote: >> >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> > >> >> In article <MfVyb.61262$t01.28458@twister.socal.rr.com>, >> >> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:NHTyb.384552$HS4.3166098@attbi_s01... >> >> >> In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I think z would go for the California model for "conservation" wherein >> >> >> > you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then, >> when >> >> >> > the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy >> goes >> >> >> > up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't >> afford >> >> >> > to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is forced >> >> >> > down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh one >> >> >> > catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out their >> >> >> > term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the >> >> >> > government. >> >> >> >> >> >> You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the >> >> >> higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had "free" >> >> >(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care outstripped >> the >> >> >supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people >> with >> >> >money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go wait >> in >> >> >line at the clinic and hope for decent care. >> >> >> >> As opposed to here, where if you don't have insurance, or aren't rich, you >> >> either go bankrupt or do without any care? >> > >> >Again Lloyd, not true, except perhaps in your alternate reality, where >> (unnamed) >> >people in this group are Taliban that stone women for learning to read and >> shoot >> >as US troops . Hospitals may not turn people away for care by law. >> > >> Only in an emergency is a hospital required to treat anybody, and as soon as >> they're "stable" they can be turned out. Need dialysis? No hospital is >> required to do that for free, for example. > >You're free to pay for their healthcare any time you want. But what >idiot believes that they have the right to reach into my pocket and take >what is mine (it's called stealing). So - really - who is preventing >you and anyone who feels that way from paying for the treatment of these >people? You have that right, as do I - but by freedom of will - not by >confiscation. > It's called living in a society. Society has the right to compel you to pay taxes, and it's the height of idiocy to call it stealing or theft. If you don't want to live in a society, you can leave. Nobody's keeping you here. >Bill Putney >(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >address with "x") > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <3FCD281D.ED699881@kinez.net>,
Bill Putney <bputney@kinez.net> wrote: > > >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> >> So are conservatives -- telling people what kind of --- to have... > >Huh!? > Sodomy laws. Liberals didn't pass them. >> , what genders >> can marry, > >Well, yeah - the word "marriage" has a meaning. Why does a government decide who can get married though? >But of course you want >to re-define it. Why not redefine "murder" as meaning "whitewashing a >fence", or "talking" as "combing your hair" - that would make just as >much sense. > >> what a woman can do with her body, etc. > >When I and others are forced to pay for the consequences, yes. Actually, you want to force a woman to have the baby and then refuse to pay for any expense of raising the child. >Don't >make me and others pay for the consequences for her behavior, and I'll >quit telling her what she can and can't do that I and others will have >to pay for later. > >Bill Putney >(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >address with "x") > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <3FCD281D.ED699881@kinez.net>,
Bill Putney <bputney@kinez.net> wrote: > > >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> >> So are conservatives -- telling people what kind of --- to have... > >Huh!? > Sodomy laws. Liberals didn't pass them. >> , what genders >> can marry, > >Well, yeah - the word "marriage" has a meaning. Why does a government decide who can get married though? >But of course you want >to re-define it. Why not redefine "murder" as meaning "whitewashing a >fence", or "talking" as "combing your hair" - that would make just as >much sense. > >> what a woman can do with her body, etc. > >When I and others are forced to pay for the consequences, yes. Actually, you want to force a woman to have the baby and then refuse to pay for any expense of raising the child. >Don't >make me and others pay for the consequences for her behavior, and I'll >quit telling her what she can and can't do that I and others will have >to pay for later. > >Bill Putney >(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >address with "x") > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <3FCD281D.ED699881@kinez.net>,
Bill Putney <bputney@kinez.net> wrote: > > >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> >> So are conservatives -- telling people what kind of --- to have... > >Huh!? > Sodomy laws. Liberals didn't pass them. >> , what genders >> can marry, > >Well, yeah - the word "marriage" has a meaning. Why does a government decide who can get married though? >But of course you want >to re-define it. Why not redefine "murder" as meaning "whitewashing a >fence", or "talking" as "combing your hair" - that would make just as >much sense. > >> what a woman can do with her body, etc. > >When I and others are forced to pay for the consequences, yes. Actually, you want to force a woman to have the baby and then refuse to pay for any expense of raising the child. >Don't >make me and others pay for the consequences for her behavior, and I'll >quit telling her what she can and can't do that I and others will have >to pay for later. > >Bill Putney >(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >address with "x") > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <3FCD297E.ACDFBAB3@kinez.net>,
Bill Putney <bputney@kinez.net> wrote: > > >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> >> > And yes, the Canada care system with its people fleeing to the US to get >> >needed healthcare would be an improvement in your alternate reality. >> >> Totally false. > >True. I personally witnessed this while actively spending over a year >on an internet forum strictly for parents of a certain childhood form of >cancer. There were people from all over the world on there, but >particularly the U.S., Canada, and Britain. The gross malpractice that >we witnessed on children in Canada due to its metered out healthcare was >atrocious. The U.S. was the mecca of successful treatment. If you're rich. > >Bill Putney >(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >address with "x") > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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