Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
 

In article <5ac380ce.0310181559.59affb76@posting.google.com >,
dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message news:<3F9064DD.4030202@computer.org>...
> > These stats alone tell you next to nothing. It is also well know that
> > drivers are involved in accidents in substantially different rates based
> > on age. If the large cars are being driven by people in the safer age
> > ranges (very likely) and the SUVs are being driven by people in less
> > safe age ranges (a good chance), then death rates (which are typically a
> > function of accident rates), will be higher for the vehicles driven by
> > the class of driver that has higher accident rates.
>
> You have a valid point, but the NHTSA study is normalized for driver
> age, gender, urban/rural, annual mileage, and other factors. This is a
> very thorough study.
>

Maybe the original chuckle head should have posted the whole chart then
huh?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
 

In article <5ac380ce.0310181559.59affb76@posting.google.com >,
dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message news:<3F9064DD.4030202@computer.org>...
> > These stats alone tell you next to nothing. It is also well know that
> > drivers are involved in accidents in substantially different rates based
> > on age. If the large cars are being driven by people in the safer age
> > ranges (very likely) and the SUVs are being driven by people in less
> > safe age ranges (a good chance), then death rates (which are typically a
> > function of accident rates), will be higher for the vehicles driven by
> > the class of driver that has higher accident rates.
>
> You have a valid point, but the NHTSA study is normalized for driver
> age, gender, urban/rural, annual mileage, and other factors. This is a
> very thorough study.
>

Maybe the original chuckle head should have posted the whole chart then
huh?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
 

In article <5ac380ce.0310181559.59affb76@posting.google.com >,
dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message news:<3F9064DD.4030202@computer.org>...
> > These stats alone tell you next to nothing. It is also well know that
> > drivers are involved in accidents in substantially different rates based
> > on age. If the large cars are being driven by people in the safer age
> > ranges (very likely) and the SUVs are being driven by people in less
> > safe age ranges (a good chance), then death rates (which are typically a
> > function of accident rates), will be higher for the vehicles driven by
> > the class of driver that has higher accident rates.
>
> You have a valid point, but the NHTSA study is normalized for driver
> age, gender, urban/rural, annual mileage, and other factors. This is a
> very thorough study.
>

Maybe the original chuckle head should have posted the whole chart then
huh?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
 

In article <71v1pvcr5r3qhuv1ct7hqlsrcc06gpr8ue@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> P e t e F a g e r l i n <pete@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
>
> >Uh, nope. I don't expect to wreck but I bought a very safe vehicle
> >just in case.
> >
> >Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
>
> Because the statistics indicate that a similarly weight in a car would be
> safer than what you bought. If you bought something that is heavier than
> the heaviest car available, then the problem is obviously CAFE reducing the
> availability of large cars.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>

Oh do they? Have you read said statics yet Marc?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
 

In article <71v1pvcr5r3qhuv1ct7hqlsrcc06gpr8ue@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> P e t e F a g e r l i n <pete@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
>
> >Uh, nope. I don't expect to wreck but I bought a very safe vehicle
> >just in case.
> >
> >Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
>
> Because the statistics indicate that a similarly weight in a car would be
> safer than what you bought. If you bought something that is heavier than
> the heaviest car available, then the problem is obviously CAFE reducing the
> availability of large cars.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>

Oh do they? Have you read said statics yet Marc?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
 

In article <71v1pvcr5r3qhuv1ct7hqlsrcc06gpr8ue@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> P e t e F a g e r l i n <pete@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
>
> >Uh, nope. I don't expect to wreck but I bought a very safe vehicle
> >just in case.
> >
> >Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
>
> Because the statistics indicate that a similarly weight in a car would be
> safer than what you bought. If you bought something that is heavier than
> the heaviest car available, then the problem is obviously CAFE reducing the
> availability of large cars.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>

Oh do they? Have you read said statics yet Marc?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
 

> A driver doing something really stupid, or a moment's inattention, and
> that little car will demonstrate the difference between good mileage
> and safety.

Not really, as the relationship between accident avoidance ability and
accident survivability is not linear. That is, with SOME certain SUVs, you
might have a SLIGHTLY better chance of surviving a collision with SOME
certain other vehicles. But then again, with any decent handling car (not
necessarily a performance oriented car, either), your chances of avoiding
the accident in the first place are much better, and your odds of surviving
one are not significantly decreased.

In short, the SUV bulk gives some drivers a false sense of security just as
the better handling of cars gives some drivers a false sense of security,
ALSO. But even a below-average driver will NEED to crank hard on the
steering wheel EVENTUALLY, to save someone's life. This is an unavoidable
eventuality, even if you drive your SUV as if it is the piece of chit that
it is. So WHEN (not if) that moment comes, you're better off to be driving
a car. -Dave

Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
 

> A driver doing something really stupid, or a moment's inattention, and
> that little car will demonstrate the difference between good mileage
> and safety.

Not really, as the relationship between accident avoidance ability and
accident survivability is not linear. That is, with SOME certain SUVs, you
might have a SLIGHTLY better chance of surviving a collision with SOME
certain other vehicles. But then again, with any decent handling car (not
necessarily a performance oriented car, either), your chances of avoiding
the accident in the first place are much better, and your odds of surviving
one are not significantly decreased.

In short, the SUV bulk gives some drivers a false sense of security just as
the better handling of cars gives some drivers a false sense of security,
ALSO. But even a below-average driver will NEED to crank hard on the
steering wheel EVENTUALLY, to save someone's life. This is an unavoidable
eventuality, even if you drive your SUV as if it is the piece of chit that
it is. So WHEN (not if) that moment comes, you're better off to be driving
a car. -Dave

Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
 

> A driver doing something really stupid, or a moment's inattention, and
> that little car will demonstrate the difference between good mileage
> and safety.

Not really, as the relationship between accident avoidance ability and
accident survivability is not linear. That is, with SOME certain SUVs, you
might have a SLIGHTLY better chance of surviving a collision with SOME
certain other vehicles. But then again, with any decent handling car (not
necessarily a performance oriented car, either), your chances of avoiding
the accident in the first place are much better, and your odds of surviving
one are not significantly decreased.

In short, the SUV bulk gives some drivers a false sense of security just as
the better handling of cars gives some drivers a false sense of security,
ALSO. But even a below-average driver will NEED to crank hard on the
steering wheel EVENTUALLY, to save someone's life. This is an unavoidable
eventuality, even if you drive your SUV as if it is the piece of chit that
it is. So WHEN (not if) that moment comes, you're better off to be driving
a car. -Dave

Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
 

"Sean Prinz" <s_prinz> wrote in message
news:bmsh7m$qbsk9$1@ID-137890.news.uni-berlin.de...
> doesn't it if it still meets the standard for emissions? CAFE did nothing
> for pollution by "forcing" cars to get better fuel economy, it improved it
> by limiting what can come out the exhaust pipe...which has very little to
do
> with how much fuel goes in, only how efficient the engine is
>
> Sean.
>

Simple question . . . do you even know what CAFE stands for? -Dave