help: something loose in drivetrain?
 

I have been noticing a disturbing trend in my driveline lately. It's
gotten to a point of good consistency, now, so I'd like help in trying
to diagnose the problem. If any of you can give me some pointers on
what parts to check (and possibly how to check them), in order of
likeliness, I would appreciate it greatly!

My Jeep: 1997 TJ I6 4.0L, 4" lift, 33" tires, D30 front, D44 rear
(w/limited slip), AA SYE kit (installed myself), brand new CV front
and rear driveshafts (front installed < 6 months ago, rear installed
w/SYE kit in October-ish). Still original AX15 and NP231.

The Problem: Whenever I first start from a stop, and often when apply
the gas after a shift (especially in 1st through 3rd gears), I am
getting a small but noticeable "thunk". I can't so much hear it, but I
can feel it both through my seat and through my pedal (I can feel it
when riding as a passenger in my jeep as well). This thunk also occurs
when I let off the gas pedal quickly while in gear, especially
noticeable in lower (more torquey) gears. It has become a futile
battle of me trying to match my engine RPMs EXACTLY when shifting, and
pulling the clutch out VERY slowly, in order to try to get the thunk
to not occur; I am successful probably 40% of the time when I try
this. So, it seems something is loose in my drivetrain or in something
that has tension under forward and rearward drive direction, and
thunks when extra power is applied, or if a deceleration force due to
engine braking occurs. BTW, all of this is happening in 2-high mode.

What should I check? So far, I've put the t-case in neutral and tried
moving both the front and rear driveshafts. The rear had negligible
play (pretty close to none); the front had quite a bit more play (but
I have ruled that out as the cause since it is not even engaged at the
transfer case end when I get this problem). Could this be control arm
related? I have brand new teraflex adjustable rear control arms on it
(installed at the time of my SYE kit), which I've kept greased
properly... I haven't tried prying on them yet to see if they are the
issue.

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!

/Bob

Re: something loose in drivetrain?
 

Most likely your engine or tranny mounts. There's 2 under your hood and 1
mounting your tranny to the skid plate under your jeep. For the engine
ones, visually inspect them and for the tranny, see if you can move it up
off the skid with a pry bar. If it moves your mount is probably bad. If
you do have 1 bad one, replace all three. I'd bet your shifter gives a good
shake when you start from a stop also.
Nick

"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0402051047.b0abe06@posting.google.co m...
> I have been noticing a disturbing trend in my driveline lately. It's
> gotten to a point of good consistency, now, so I'd like help in trying
> to diagnose the problem. If any of you can give me some pointers on
> what parts to check (and possibly how to check them), in order of
> likeliness, I would appreciate it greatly!
>
> My Jeep: 1997 TJ I6 4.0L, 4" lift, 33" tires, D30 front, D44 rear
> (w/limited slip), AA SYE kit (installed myself), brand new CV front
> and rear driveshafts (front installed < 6 months ago, rear installed
> w/SYE kit in October-ish). Still original AX15 and NP231.
>
> The Problem: Whenever I first start from a stop, and often when apply
> the gas after a shift (especially in 1st through 3rd gears), I am
> getting a small but noticeable "thunk". I can't so much hear it, but I
> can feel it both through my seat and through my pedal (I can feel it
> when riding as a passenger in my jeep as well). This thunk also occurs
> when I let off the gas pedal quickly while in gear, especially
> noticeable in lower (more torquey) gears. It has become a futile
> battle of me trying to match my engine RPMs EXACTLY when shifting, and
> pulling the clutch out VERY slowly, in order to try to get the thunk
> to not occur; I am successful probably 40% of the time when I try
> this. So, it seems something is loose in my drivetrain or in something
> that has tension under forward and rearward drive direction, and
> thunks when extra power is applied, or if a deceleration force due to
> engine braking occurs. BTW, all of this is happening in 2-high mode.
>
> What should I check? So far, I've put the t-case in neutral and tried
> moving both the front and rear driveshafts. The rear had negligible
> play (pretty close to none); the front had quite a bit more play (but
> I have ruled that out as the cause since it is not even engaged at the
> transfer case end when I get this problem). Could this be control arm
> related? I have brand new teraflex adjustable rear control arms on it
> (installed at the time of my SYE kit), which I've kept greased
> properly... I haven't tried prying on them yet to see if they are the
> issue.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
>
> /Bob

Re: something loose in drivetrain?
 

Most likely your engine or tranny mounts. There's 2 under your hood and 1
mounting your tranny to the skid plate under your jeep. For the engine
ones, visually inspect them and for the tranny, see if you can move it up
off the skid with a pry bar. If it moves your mount is probably bad. If
you do have 1 bad one, replace all three. I'd bet your shifter gives a good
shake when you start from a stop also.
Nick

"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0402051047.b0abe06@posting.google.co m...
> I have been noticing a disturbing trend in my driveline lately. It's
> gotten to a point of good consistency, now, so I'd like help in trying
> to diagnose the problem. If any of you can give me some pointers on
> what parts to check (and possibly how to check them), in order of
> likeliness, I would appreciate it greatly!
>
> My Jeep: 1997 TJ I6 4.0L, 4" lift, 33" tires, D30 front, D44 rear
> (w/limited slip), AA SYE kit (installed myself), brand new CV front
> and rear driveshafts (front installed < 6 months ago, rear installed
> w/SYE kit in October-ish). Still original AX15 and NP231.
>
> The Problem: Whenever I first start from a stop, and often when apply
> the gas after a shift (especially in 1st through 3rd gears), I am
> getting a small but noticeable "thunk". I can't so much hear it, but I
> can feel it both through my seat and through my pedal (I can feel it
> when riding as a passenger in my jeep as well). This thunk also occurs
> when I let off the gas pedal quickly while in gear, especially
> noticeable in lower (more torquey) gears. It has become a futile
> battle of me trying to match my engine RPMs EXACTLY when shifting, and
> pulling the clutch out VERY slowly, in order to try to get the thunk
> to not occur; I am successful probably 40% of the time when I try
> this. So, it seems something is loose in my drivetrain or in something
> that has tension under forward and rearward drive direction, and
> thunks when extra power is applied, or if a deceleration force due to
> engine braking occurs. BTW, all of this is happening in 2-high mode.
>
> What should I check? So far, I've put the t-case in neutral and tried
> moving both the front and rear driveshafts. The rear had negligible
> play (pretty close to none); the front had quite a bit more play (but
> I have ruled that out as the cause since it is not even engaged at the
> transfer case end when I get this problem). Could this be control arm
> related? I have brand new teraflex adjustable rear control arms on it
> (installed at the time of my SYE kit), which I've kept greased
> properly... I haven't tried prying on them yet to see if they are the
> issue.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
>
> /Bob

Re: something loose in drivetrain?
 

Most likely your engine or tranny mounts. There's 2 under your hood and 1
mounting your tranny to the skid plate under your jeep. For the engine
ones, visually inspect them and for the tranny, see if you can move it up
off the skid with a pry bar. If it moves your mount is probably bad. If
you do have 1 bad one, replace all three. I'd bet your shifter gives a good
shake when you start from a stop also.
Nick

"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0402051047.b0abe06@posting.google.co m...
> I have been noticing a disturbing trend in my driveline lately. It's
> gotten to a point of good consistency, now, so I'd like help in trying
> to diagnose the problem. If any of you can give me some pointers on
> what parts to check (and possibly how to check them), in order of
> likeliness, I would appreciate it greatly!
>
> My Jeep: 1997 TJ I6 4.0L, 4" lift, 33" tires, D30 front, D44 rear
> (w/limited slip), AA SYE kit (installed myself), brand new CV front
> and rear driveshafts (front installed < 6 months ago, rear installed
> w/SYE kit in October-ish). Still original AX15 and NP231.
>
> The Problem: Whenever I first start from a stop, and often when apply
> the gas after a shift (especially in 1st through 3rd gears), I am
> getting a small but noticeable "thunk". I can't so much hear it, but I
> can feel it both through my seat and through my pedal (I can feel it
> when riding as a passenger in my jeep as well). This thunk also occurs
> when I let off the gas pedal quickly while in gear, especially
> noticeable in lower (more torquey) gears. It has become a futile
> battle of me trying to match my engine RPMs EXACTLY when shifting, and
> pulling the clutch out VERY slowly, in order to try to get the thunk
> to not occur; I am successful probably 40% of the time when I try
> this. So, it seems something is loose in my drivetrain or in something
> that has tension under forward and rearward drive direction, and
> thunks when extra power is applied, or if a deceleration force due to
> engine braking occurs. BTW, all of this is happening in 2-high mode.
>
> What should I check? So far, I've put the t-case in neutral and tried
> moving both the front and rear driveshafts. The rear had negligible
> play (pretty close to none); the front had quite a bit more play (but
> I have ruled that out as the cause since it is not even engaged at the
> transfer case end when I get this problem). Could this be control arm
> related? I have brand new teraflex adjustable rear control arms on it
> (installed at the time of my SYE kit), which I've kept greased
> properly... I haven't tried prying on them yet to see if they are the
> issue.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
>
> /Bob

Re: something loose in drivetrain?
 

If you get some jumping around when you use R, then I would be looking at
motor mounts.





"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0402051047.b0abe06@posting.google.co m...
> I have been noticing a disturbing trend in my driveline lately. It's
> gotten to a point of good consistency, now, so I'd like help in trying
> to diagnose the problem. If any of you can give me some pointers on
> what parts to check (and possibly how to check them), in order of
> likeliness, I would appreciate it greatly!
>
> My Jeep: 1997 TJ I6 4.0L, 4" lift, 33" tires, D30 front, D44 rear
> (w/limited slip), AA SYE kit (installed myself), brand new CV front
> and rear driveshafts (front installed < 6 months ago, rear installed
> w/SYE kit in October-ish). Still original AX15 and NP231.
>
> The Problem: Whenever I first start from a stop, and often when apply
> the gas after a shift (especially in 1st through 3rd gears), I am
> getting a small but noticeable "thunk". I can't so much hear it, but I
> can feel it both through my seat and through my pedal (I can feel it
> when riding as a passenger in my jeep as well). This thunk also occurs
> when I let off the gas pedal quickly while in gear, especially
> noticeable in lower (more torquey) gears. It has become a futile
> battle of me trying to match my engine RPMs EXACTLY when shifting, and
> pulling the clutch out VERY slowly, in order to try to get the thunk
> to not occur; I am successful probably 40% of the time when I try
> this. So, it seems something is loose in my drivetrain or in something
> that has tension under forward and rearward drive direction, and
> thunks when extra power is applied, or if a deceleration force due to
> engine braking occurs. BTW, all of this is happening in 2-high mode.
>
> What should I check? So far, I've put the t-case in neutral and tried
> moving both the front and rear driveshafts. The rear had negligible
> play (pretty close to none); the front had quite a bit more play (but
> I have ruled that out as the cause since it is not even engaged at the
> transfer case end when I get this problem). Could this be control arm
> related? I have brand new teraflex adjustable rear control arms on it
> (installed at the time of my SYE kit), which I've kept greased
> properly... I haven't tried prying on them yet to see if they are the
> issue.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
>
> /Bob

Re: something loose in drivetrain?
 

If you get some jumping around when you use R, then I would be looking at
motor mounts.





"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0402051047.b0abe06@posting.google.co m...
> I have been noticing a disturbing trend in my driveline lately. It's
> gotten to a point of good consistency, now, so I'd like help in trying
> to diagnose the problem. If any of you can give me some pointers on
> what parts to check (and possibly how to check them), in order of
> likeliness, I would appreciate it greatly!
>
> My Jeep: 1997 TJ I6 4.0L, 4" lift, 33" tires, D30 front, D44 rear
> (w/limited slip), AA SYE kit (installed myself), brand new CV front
> and rear driveshafts (front installed < 6 months ago, rear installed
> w/SYE kit in October-ish). Still original AX15 and NP231.
>
> The Problem: Whenever I first start from a stop, and often when apply
> the gas after a shift (especially in 1st through 3rd gears), I am
> getting a small but noticeable "thunk". I can't so much hear it, but I
> can feel it both through my seat and through my pedal (I can feel it
> when riding as a passenger in my jeep as well). This thunk also occurs
> when I let off the gas pedal quickly while in gear, especially
> noticeable in lower (more torquey) gears. It has become a futile
> battle of me trying to match my engine RPMs EXACTLY when shifting, and
> pulling the clutch out VERY slowly, in order to try to get the thunk
> to not occur; I am successful probably 40% of the time when I try
> this. So, it seems something is loose in my drivetrain or in something
> that has tension under forward and rearward drive direction, and
> thunks when extra power is applied, or if a deceleration force due to
> engine braking occurs. BTW, all of this is happening in 2-high mode.
>
> What should I check? So far, I've put the t-case in neutral and tried
> moving both the front and rear driveshafts. The rear had negligible
> play (pretty close to none); the front had quite a bit more play (but
> I have ruled that out as the cause since it is not even engaged at the
> transfer case end when I get this problem). Could this be control arm
> related? I have brand new teraflex adjustable rear control arms on it
> (installed at the time of my SYE kit), which I've kept greased
> properly... I haven't tried prying on them yet to see if they are the
> issue.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
>
> /Bob

Re: something loose in drivetrain?
 

If you get some jumping around when you use R, then I would be looking at
motor mounts.





"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0402051047.b0abe06@posting.google.co m...
> I have been noticing a disturbing trend in my driveline lately. It's
> gotten to a point of good consistency, now, so I'd like help in trying
> to diagnose the problem. If any of you can give me some pointers on
> what parts to check (and possibly how to check them), in order of
> likeliness, I would appreciate it greatly!
>
> My Jeep: 1997 TJ I6 4.0L, 4" lift, 33" tires, D30 front, D44 rear
> (w/limited slip), AA SYE kit (installed myself), brand new CV front
> and rear driveshafts (front installed < 6 months ago, rear installed
> w/SYE kit in October-ish). Still original AX15 and NP231.
>
> The Problem: Whenever I first start from a stop, and often when apply
> the gas after a shift (especially in 1st through 3rd gears), I am
> getting a small but noticeable "thunk". I can't so much hear it, but I
> can feel it both through my seat and through my pedal (I can feel it
> when riding as a passenger in my jeep as well). This thunk also occurs
> when I let off the gas pedal quickly while in gear, especially
> noticeable in lower (more torquey) gears. It has become a futile
> battle of me trying to match my engine RPMs EXACTLY when shifting, and
> pulling the clutch out VERY slowly, in order to try to get the thunk
> to not occur; I am successful probably 40% of the time when I try
> this. So, it seems something is loose in my drivetrain or in something
> that has tension under forward and rearward drive direction, and
> thunks when extra power is applied, or if a deceleration force due to
> engine braking occurs. BTW, all of this is happening in 2-high mode.
>
> What should I check? So far, I've put the t-case in neutral and tried
> moving both the front and rear driveshafts. The rear had negligible
> play (pretty close to none); the front had quite a bit more play (but
> I have ruled that out as the cause since it is not even engaged at the
> transfer case end when I get this problem). Could this be control arm
> related? I have brand new teraflex adjustable rear control arms on it
> (installed at the time of my SYE kit), which I've kept greased
> properly... I haven't tried prying on them yet to see if they are the
> issue.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
>
> /Bob

Re: something loose in drivetrain?
 

Thanks for the suggestions. I will do that this weekend (tomorrow) and
see what I can find out. What should I look for when "visually"
inspecting the motor mounts, aside from obvious cracking? Does anyone
(Bill? ;-) ) have any links to pictures of good and bad motor mounts
so I have a good reference point?

Thanks. I appreciate the help. I'm also extremely pleased that no one
is suggesting my tranny is going out or anything! =) I didn't think it
was that, but it is still a worry in the back of my mind...

/Bob

"Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message news:<PmwUb.21838$tP1.21094@fed1read07>...
> Most likely your engine or tranny mounts. There's 2 under your hood and 1
> mounting your tranny to the skid plate under your jeep. For the engine
> ones, visually inspect them and for the tranny, see if you can move it up
> off the skid with a pry bar. If it moves your mount is probably bad. If
> you do have 1 bad one, replace all three. I'd bet your shifter gives a good
> shake when you start from a stop also.
> Nick
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0402051047.b0abe06@posting.google.co m...
> > I have been noticing a disturbing trend in my driveline lately. It's
> > gotten to a point of good consistency, now, so I'd like help in trying
> > to diagnose the problem. If any of you can give me some pointers on
> > what parts to check (and possibly how to check them), in order of
> > likeliness, I would appreciate it greatly!
> >
> > My Jeep: 1997 TJ I6 4.0L, 4" lift, 33" tires, D30 front, D44 rear
> > (w/limited slip), AA SYE kit (installed myself), brand new CV front
> > and rear driveshafts (front installed < 6 months ago, rear installed
> > w/SYE kit in October-ish). Still original AX15 and NP231.
> >
> > The Problem: Whenever I first start from a stop, and often when apply
> > the gas after a shift (especially in 1st through 3rd gears), I am
> > getting a small but noticeable "thunk". I can't so much hear it, but I
> > can feel it both through my seat and through my pedal (I can feel it
> > when riding as a passenger in my jeep as well). This thunk also occurs
> > when I let off the gas pedal quickly while in gear, especially
> > noticeable in lower (more torquey) gears. It has become a futile
> > battle of me trying to match my engine RPMs EXACTLY when shifting, and
> > pulling the clutch out VERY slowly, in order to try to get the thunk
> > to not occur; I am successful probably 40% of the time when I try
> > this. So, it seems something is loose in my drivetrain or in something
> > that has tension under forward and rearward drive direction, and
> > thunks when extra power is applied, or if a deceleration force due to
> > engine braking occurs. BTW, all of this is happening in 2-high mode.
> >
> > What should I check? So far, I've put the t-case in neutral and tried
> > moving both the front and rear driveshafts. The rear had negligible
> > play (pretty close to none); the front had quite a bit more play (but
> > I have ruled that out as the cause since it is not even engaged at the
> > transfer case end when I get this problem). Could this be control arm
> > related? I have brand new teraflex adjustable rear control arms on it
> > (installed at the time of my SYE kit), which I've kept greased
> > properly... I haven't tried prying on them yet to see if they are the
> > issue.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
> >
> > /Bob

Re: something loose in drivetrain?
 

Thanks for the suggestions. I will do that this weekend (tomorrow) and
see what I can find out. What should I look for when "visually"
inspecting the motor mounts, aside from obvious cracking? Does anyone
(Bill? ;-) ) have any links to pictures of good and bad motor mounts
so I have a good reference point?

Thanks. I appreciate the help. I'm also extremely pleased that no one
is suggesting my tranny is going out or anything! =) I didn't think it
was that, but it is still a worry in the back of my mind...

/Bob

"Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message news:<PmwUb.21838$tP1.21094@fed1read07>...
> Most likely your engine or tranny mounts. There's 2 under your hood and 1
> mounting your tranny to the skid plate under your jeep. For the engine
> ones, visually inspect them and for the tranny, see if you can move it up
> off the skid with a pry bar. If it moves your mount is probably bad. If
> you do have 1 bad one, replace all three. I'd bet your shifter gives a good
> shake when you start from a stop also.
> Nick
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0402051047.b0abe06@posting.google.co m...
> > I have been noticing a disturbing trend in my driveline lately. It's
> > gotten to a point of good consistency, now, so I'd like help in trying
> > to diagnose the problem. If any of you can give me some pointers on
> > what parts to check (and possibly how to check them), in order of
> > likeliness, I would appreciate it greatly!
> >
> > My Jeep: 1997 TJ I6 4.0L, 4" lift, 33" tires, D30 front, D44 rear
> > (w/limited slip), AA SYE kit (installed myself), brand new CV front
> > and rear driveshafts (front installed < 6 months ago, rear installed
> > w/SYE kit in October-ish). Still original AX15 and NP231.
> >
> > The Problem: Whenever I first start from a stop, and often when apply
> > the gas after a shift (especially in 1st through 3rd gears), I am
> > getting a small but noticeable "thunk". I can't so much hear it, but I
> > can feel it both through my seat and through my pedal (I can feel it
> > when riding as a passenger in my jeep as well). This thunk also occurs
> > when I let off the gas pedal quickly while in gear, especially
> > noticeable in lower (more torquey) gears. It has become a futile
> > battle of me trying to match my engine RPMs EXACTLY when shifting, and
> > pulling the clutch out VERY slowly, in order to try to get the thunk
> > to not occur; I am successful probably 40% of the time when I try
> > this. So, it seems something is loose in my drivetrain or in something
> > that has tension under forward and rearward drive direction, and
> > thunks when extra power is applied, or if a deceleration force due to
> > engine braking occurs. BTW, all of this is happening in 2-high mode.
> >
> > What should I check? So far, I've put the t-case in neutral and tried
> > moving both the front and rear driveshafts. The rear had negligible
> > play (pretty close to none); the front had quite a bit more play (but
> > I have ruled that out as the cause since it is not even engaged at the
> > transfer case end when I get this problem). Could this be control arm
> > related? I have brand new teraflex adjustable rear control arms on it
> > (installed at the time of my SYE kit), which I've kept greased
> > properly... I haven't tried prying on them yet to see if they are the
> > issue.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
> >
> > /Bob

Re: something loose in drivetrain?
 

Thanks for the suggestions. I will do that this weekend (tomorrow) and
see what I can find out. What should I look for when "visually"
inspecting the motor mounts, aside from obvious cracking? Does anyone
(Bill? ;-) ) have any links to pictures of good and bad motor mounts
so I have a good reference point?

Thanks. I appreciate the help. I'm also extremely pleased that no one
is suggesting my tranny is going out or anything! =) I didn't think it
was that, but it is still a worry in the back of my mind...

/Bob

"Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message news:<PmwUb.21838$tP1.21094@fed1read07>...
> Most likely your engine or tranny mounts. There's 2 under your hood and 1
> mounting your tranny to the skid plate under your jeep. For the engine
> ones, visually inspect them and for the tranny, see if you can move it up
> off the skid with a pry bar. If it moves your mount is probably bad. If
> you do have 1 bad one, replace all three. I'd bet your shifter gives a good
> shake when you start from a stop also.
> Nick
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0402051047.b0abe06@posting.google.co m...
> > I have been noticing a disturbing trend in my driveline lately. It's
> > gotten to a point of good consistency, now, so I'd like help in trying
> > to diagnose the problem. If any of you can give me some pointers on
> > what parts to check (and possibly how to check them), in order of
> > likeliness, I would appreciate it greatly!
> >
> > My Jeep: 1997 TJ I6 4.0L, 4" lift, 33" tires, D30 front, D44 rear
> > (w/limited slip), AA SYE kit (installed myself), brand new CV front
> > and rear driveshafts (front installed < 6 months ago, rear installed
> > w/SYE kit in October-ish). Still original AX15 and NP231.
> >
> > The Problem: Whenever I first start from a stop, and often when apply
> > the gas after a shift (especially in 1st through 3rd gears), I am
> > getting a small but noticeable "thunk". I can't so much hear it, but I
> > can feel it both through my seat and through my pedal (I can feel it
> > when riding as a passenger in my jeep as well). This thunk also occurs
> > when I let off the gas pedal quickly while in gear, especially
> > noticeable in lower (more torquey) gears. It has become a futile
> > battle of me trying to match my engine RPMs EXACTLY when shifting, and
> > pulling the clutch out VERY slowly, in order to try to get the thunk
> > to not occur; I am successful probably 40% of the time when I try
> > this. So, it seems something is loose in my drivetrain or in something
> > that has tension under forward and rearward drive direction, and
> > thunks when extra power is applied, or if a deceleration force due to
> > engine braking occurs. BTW, all of this is happening in 2-high mode.
> >
> > What should I check? So far, I've put the t-case in neutral and tried
> > moving both the front and rear driveshafts. The rear had negligible
> > play (pretty close to none); the front had quite a bit more play (but
> > I have ruled that out as the cause since it is not even engaged at the
> > transfer case end when I get this problem). Could this be control arm
> > related? I have brand new teraflex adjustable rear control arms on it
> > (installed at the time of my SYE kit), which I've kept greased
> > properly... I haven't tried prying on them yet to see if they are the
> > issue.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
> >
> > /Bob