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Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?

In <11429-406E77A7-5@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net> COLLIDE13@webtv.net
wrote:
> You guy's make a good argument for anti-gun lobbyists.No firearm
> should be left unattended in a vehicle.They should be on your person,
> locked in a safe/bonefide strongbox or secured area.Cabled to a seat?-
> You're kidding,right? -Hank

Good in theory, impossible in practice, at least if you want to obey the
law. The carry laws in most areas prohibit carry in places like banks,
post offices, school grounds, and any number of other places where most
of us find it necessary to go in our daily lives. So you either break
the law, or find some way of making sure your handgun is reasonably
secure when you have to leave it. These laws are specifically designed
this way in order to make it inconvenient or impractical for the average
citizen to exercise his/her right to bear arms.

The original poster in this thread should be commended for trying to
find a more secure way of storing his firearm, rather than insulted as a
tool for the anti gunners. Cabled to a seat will deter a casual smash
and grab theft in the parking lot, which is all that is needed when he
is in the post office, picking up his kids, or what have you. He isn't
asking about using his Jeep as a replacement for a gun safe 24/7.

Furthermore, by insinuating that he is somehow an irresponsible gun
owner, YOU are acting as a bitch for the antis by perpetuating the
falsehood that law abiding citizens are somehow to blame for the actions
of thieves and other criminals. If somebody steals his gun, HE is the
victim and bears no responsibity for that person's foul act, or acts
that the thief may then commit with the stolen gun.

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Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?

"SB" <chicbears@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:TdDbc.20712$jVF.2711@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> Is that a "between the rearseat and tailgate" type of box?

yes, and provides room for my laptop and small arms.

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Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?

Can we get an amen? Preach it brother, the anti-gun bastards need to know
their place.

"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
news:20040403100038335-0900@enews.newsguy.com...
> > You guy's make a good argument for anti-gun lobbyists.No firearm
> > should be left unattended in a vehicle.They should be on your person,
> > locked in a safe/bonefide strongbox or secured area.Cabled to a seat?-
> > You're kidding,right? -Hank
>
> Good in theory, impossible in practice, at least if you want to obey the
> law. The carry laws in most areas prohibit carry in places like banks,
> post offices, school grounds, and any number of other places where most
> of us find it necessary to go in our daily lives. So you either break
> the law, or find some way of making sure your handgun is reasonably
> secure when you have to leave it. These laws are specifically designed
> this way in order to make it inconvenient or impractical for the average
> citizen to exercise his/her right to bear arms.
>
> The original poster in this thread should be commended for trying to
> find a more secure way of storing his firearm, rather than insulted as a
> tool for the anti gunners. Cabled to a seat will deter a casual smash
> and grab theft in the parking lot, which is all that is needed when he
> is in the post office, picking up his kids, or what have you. He isn't
> asking about using his Jeep as a replacement for a gun safe 24/7.
>
> Furthermore, by insinuating that he is somehow an irresponsible gun
> owner, YOU are acting as a bitch for the antis by perpetuating the
> falsehood that law abiding citizens are somehow to blame for the actions
> of thieves and other criminals. If somebody steals his gun, HE is the
> victim and bears no responsibity for that person's foul act, or acts
> that the thief may then commit with the stolen gun.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?

Re: OT Handgun storage in a TJ?

> > In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.
> > From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents,
> > unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
> > exterminated.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915
> > to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend
> > themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Germany established gun control in 1938 and from
> > 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were
> > unable to defend themselves were rounded up and
> > exterminated.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > China established gun control in 1935. From 1948
> > to 1952, 20 million politica! l dissidents, unable to
> > defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From
> > 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to
> > defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971
> > to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend
> > themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From
> > 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable
> > to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in
> > the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > It has now been 12 months since gun owners in
> > Australia were forced by new law to surrender
> > 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
> > own government, a program costing Australia
> > taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
> >
> > The first year results are now in:
> > Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
> > Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
> > Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent
> > (yes, 44 percent!)
> > In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with
> > firearms are now up 300 percent.
> > (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned
> > them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still
> > possess their guns!)
> > While figures over the previous 25 years showed a
> > steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this
> > has changed dra! stically upward in the past 12
> > months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that
> > their prey is unarmed.
> >
> > There has also been a dramatic increase in
> > break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY.
> > Australian politicians are at a loss to explain
> > how public safety has decreased, after such
> > monumental effort and expense was expended in
> > "successfully ridding Australian society of guns."
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > The Australian experience and the other historical
> > facts above prove it.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > You won't see this data on the American evening
> > news or hear our president, governors or other
> > politicians disseminating this information.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives
> > and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only
> > the law-abiding citizens.
> > --------------------------------------! -----! -------------
> > Take note my fellow Americans.....before it's too
> > late!
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > The next time someone talks in favor of gun
> > control, please remind them of this history lesson.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > With guns, we are citizens.
> > Without them, we are subjects.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > If you value your freedom, Please ------ this
> > anti-gun control message to all of your fr! iends! .
> >
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COLLIDE13@webtv.net wrote:
>
> You guy's make a good argument for anti-gun lobbyists.No firearm should
> be left unattended in a vehicle.They should be on your person, locked in
> a safe/bonefide strongbox or secured area.Cabled to a seat?-You're
> kidding,right?
> -Hank