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P.Schuman 10-02-2007 05:42 PM

Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
today when I went to the store,
I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
ok... maybe it needed to run.
but it was still running when I came back.
So, I drove to the dealer... $$
They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said overheated) .

I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?

relay package - 5017491-AB $86
cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60

Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!



Mike Romain 10-02-2007 06:23 PM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.

The story is plausible. Relays usually need an overload to fail 'on'.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

P.Schuman wrote:
> today when I went to the store,
> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
> ok... maybe it needed to run.
> but it was still running when I came back.
> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said overheated) .
>
> I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>
> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>
> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!
>
>


Mike Romain 10-02-2007 06:23 PM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.

The story is plausible. Relays usually need an overload to fail 'on'.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

P.Schuman wrote:
> today when I went to the store,
> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
> ok... maybe it needed to run.
> but it was still running when I came back.
> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said overheated) .
>
> I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>
> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>
> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!
>
>


Mike Romain 10-02-2007 06:23 PM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.

The story is plausible. Relays usually need an overload to fail 'on'.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

P.Schuman wrote:
> today when I went to the store,
> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
> ok... maybe it needed to run.
> but it was still running when I came back.
> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said overheated) .
>
> I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>
> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>
> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!
>
>


Mike Romain 10-02-2007 06:23 PM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.

The story is plausible. Relays usually need an overload to fail 'on'.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

P.Schuman wrote:
> today when I went to the store,
> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
> ok... maybe it needed to run.
> but it was still running when I came back.
> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said overheated) .
>
> I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>
> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>
> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!
>
>


DougW 10-02-2007 07:13 PM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
Mike Romain wrote:
> I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
> wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
> and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.
>
> The story is plausible. Relays usually need an overload to fail 'on'.


Guess your grill is harder to remove than mine. :/
As for the temp sensor, from what I understand, one of
them is in the fan.

> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> P.Schuman wrote:
>> today when I went to the store,
>> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
>> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
>> ok... maybe it needed to run.
>> but it was still running when I came back.
>> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
>> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said
>> overheated) . I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
>> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
>> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>>
>> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
>> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>>
>> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
>> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
>> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!





DougW 10-02-2007 07:13 PM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
Mike Romain wrote:
> I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
> wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
> and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.
>
> The story is plausible. Relays usually need an overload to fail 'on'.


Guess your grill is harder to remove than mine. :/
As for the temp sensor, from what I understand, one of
them is in the fan.

> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> P.Schuman wrote:
>> today when I went to the store,
>> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
>> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
>> ok... maybe it needed to run.
>> but it was still running when I came back.
>> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
>> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said
>> overheated) . I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
>> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
>> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>>
>> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
>> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>>
>> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
>> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
>> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!





DougW 10-02-2007 07:13 PM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
Mike Romain wrote:
> I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
> wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
> and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.
>
> The story is plausible. Relays usually need an overload to fail 'on'.


Guess your grill is harder to remove than mine. :/
As for the temp sensor, from what I understand, one of
them is in the fan.

> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> P.Schuman wrote:
>> today when I went to the store,
>> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
>> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
>> ok... maybe it needed to run.
>> but it was still running when I came back.
>> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
>> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said
>> overheated) . I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
>> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
>> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>>
>> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
>> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>>
>> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
>> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
>> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!





DougW 10-02-2007 07:13 PM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
Mike Romain wrote:
> I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
> wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
> and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.
>
> The story is plausible. Relays usually need an overload to fail 'on'.


Guess your grill is harder to remove than mine. :/
As for the temp sensor, from what I understand, one of
them is in the fan.

> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> P.Schuman wrote:
>> today when I went to the store,
>> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
>> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
>> ok... maybe it needed to run.
>> but it was still running when I came back.
>> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
>> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said
>> overheated) . I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
>> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
>> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>>
>> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
>> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>>
>> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
>> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
>> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!





SnoMan 10-02-2007 07:46 PM

Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:23:57 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
>wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
>and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.



I kinda doubt fan motor was shorted out if it was running normally
otherwise. Relays do go bad but you cannot make as much mney on labor
changing one of them as a fan. I think he got taken.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 10-02-2007 07:46 PM

Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:23:57 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
>wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
>and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.



I kinda doubt fan motor was shorted out if it was running normally
otherwise. Relays do go bad but you cannot make as much mney on labor
changing one of them as a fan. I think he got taken.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 10-02-2007 07:46 PM

Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:23:57 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
>wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
>and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.



I kinda doubt fan motor was shorted out if it was running normally
otherwise. Relays do go bad but you cannot make as much mney on labor
changing one of them as a fan. I think he got taken.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 10-02-2007 07:46 PM

Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:23:57 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
>wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
>and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.



I kinda doubt fan motor was shorted out if it was running normally
otherwise. Relays do go bad but you cannot make as much mney on labor
changing one of them as a fan. I think he got taken.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

doane_nut 10-02-2007 08:00 PM

Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
The relays often fail, and seems to me when ours failed with the fan on we
also needed a new fan as the motor was drawing more current then it should.
Bearings probably going out. Our '99 has been in the shop at least 3 times
for this issue. It is not the sensor, but usually the relay, which they get
plenty of lab or for changing as it is behind the headlight and I believe
the bumper fascia needs to be removed. Does not sound like a "rip-off", just
a common expensive Jeep malady.


"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:eul5g3dpccp7c2sbdebaipvq6jedh7cu00@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:23:57 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
>>wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
>>and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.

>
>
> I kinda doubt fan motor was shorted out if it was running normally
> otherwise. Relays do go bad but you cannot make as much mney on labor
> changing one of them as a fan. I think he got taken.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com




doane_nut 10-02-2007 08:00 PM

Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
The relays often fail, and seems to me when ours failed with the fan on we
also needed a new fan as the motor was drawing more current then it should.
Bearings probably going out. Our '99 has been in the shop at least 3 times
for this issue. It is not the sensor, but usually the relay, which they get
plenty of lab or for changing as it is behind the headlight and I believe
the bumper fascia needs to be removed. Does not sound like a "rip-off", just
a common expensive Jeep malady.


"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:eul5g3dpccp7c2sbdebaipvq6jedh7cu00@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:23:57 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
>>wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
>>and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.

>
>
> I kinda doubt fan motor was shorted out if it was running normally
> otherwise. Relays do go bad but you cannot make as much mney on labor
> changing one of them as a fan. I think he got taken.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com




doane_nut 10-02-2007 08:00 PM

Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
The relays often fail, and seems to me when ours failed with the fan on we
also needed a new fan as the motor was drawing more current then it should.
Bearings probably going out. Our '99 has been in the shop at least 3 times
for this issue. It is not the sensor, but usually the relay, which they get
plenty of lab or for changing as it is behind the headlight and I believe
the bumper fascia needs to be removed. Does not sound like a "rip-off", just
a common expensive Jeep malady.


"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:eul5g3dpccp7c2sbdebaipvq6jedh7cu00@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:23:57 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
>>wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
>>and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.

>
>
> I kinda doubt fan motor was shorted out if it was running normally
> otherwise. Relays do go bad but you cannot make as much mney on labor
> changing one of them as a fan. I think he got taken.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com




doane_nut 10-02-2007 08:00 PM

Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
The relays often fail, and seems to me when ours failed with the fan on we
also needed a new fan as the motor was drawing more current then it should.
Bearings probably going out. Our '99 has been in the shop at least 3 times
for this issue. It is not the sensor, but usually the relay, which they get
plenty of lab or for changing as it is behind the headlight and I believe
the bumper fascia needs to be removed. Does not sound like a "rip-off", just
a common expensive Jeep malady.


"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:eul5g3dpccp7c2sbdebaipvq6jedh7cu00@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:23:57 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>I believe the fan is a reversible one like the heater fans with two
>>wires going to it, but could be wrong on a GC. If so, it could short
>>and overload or overheat the relay fusing it on.

>
>
> I kinda doubt fan motor was shorted out if it was running normally
> otherwise. Relays do go bad but you cannot make as much mney on labor
> changing one of them as a fan. I think he got taken.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com




SnoMan 10-02-2007 09:57 PM

Re: Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:00:29 -0400, "doane_nut" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

>The relays often fail, and seems to me when ours failed with the fan on we
>also needed a new fan as the motor was drawing more current then it should.
>Bearings probably going out. Our '99 has been in the shop at least 3 times
>for this issue. It is not the sensor, but usually the relay, which they get
>plenty of lab or for changing as it is behind the headlight and I believe
>the bumper fascia needs to be removed. Does not sound like a "rip-off", just
>a common expensive Jeep malady.



It seems to me that if the relay sticks that easily then it is under
rated for the job and fails with time. Relays can arc a lot under high
current and DC loads and if the contacts are not sized properly for
this load they will fail with time. If this is really such a common
problem, they should have fixed it with a higher capacity relay rather
that keep sticking you with replacing a marginally rated one. I have
had a lot of cars over the years with electric fans and never had the
first one with control relay issues even after 11 years of service.
Properly sized the fuse will blow before the relay would burn and they
fact that no one mentions fuses blowing tends to support a design flaw
with a improperly sized/rated relay. (likley to save a few pennies
when building them)
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 10-02-2007 09:57 PM

Re: Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:00:29 -0400, "doane_nut" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

>The relays often fail, and seems to me when ours failed with the fan on we
>also needed a new fan as the motor was drawing more current then it should.
>Bearings probably going out. Our '99 has been in the shop at least 3 times
>for this issue. It is not the sensor, but usually the relay, which they get
>plenty of lab or for changing as it is behind the headlight and I believe
>the bumper fascia needs to be removed. Does not sound like a "rip-off", just
>a common expensive Jeep malady.



It seems to me that if the relay sticks that easily then it is under
rated for the job and fails with time. Relays can arc a lot under high
current and DC loads and if the contacts are not sized properly for
this load they will fail with time. If this is really such a common
problem, they should have fixed it with a higher capacity relay rather
that keep sticking you with replacing a marginally rated one. I have
had a lot of cars over the years with electric fans and never had the
first one with control relay issues even after 11 years of service.
Properly sized the fuse will blow before the relay would burn and they
fact that no one mentions fuses blowing tends to support a design flaw
with a improperly sized/rated relay. (likley to save a few pennies
when building them)
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 10-02-2007 09:57 PM

Re: Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:00:29 -0400, "doane_nut" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

>The relays often fail, and seems to me when ours failed with the fan on we
>also needed a new fan as the motor was drawing more current then it should.
>Bearings probably going out. Our '99 has been in the shop at least 3 times
>for this issue. It is not the sensor, but usually the relay, which they get
>plenty of lab or for changing as it is behind the headlight and I believe
>the bumper fascia needs to be removed. Does not sound like a "rip-off", just
>a common expensive Jeep malady.



It seems to me that if the relay sticks that easily then it is under
rated for the job and fails with time. Relays can arc a lot under high
current and DC loads and if the contacts are not sized properly for
this load they will fail with time. If this is really such a common
problem, they should have fixed it with a higher capacity relay rather
that keep sticking you with replacing a marginally rated one. I have
had a lot of cars over the years with electric fans and never had the
first one with control relay issues even after 11 years of service.
Properly sized the fuse will blow before the relay would burn and they
fact that no one mentions fuses blowing tends to support a design flaw
with a improperly sized/rated relay. (likley to save a few pennies
when building them)
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 10-02-2007 09:57 PM

Re: Re: Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:00:29 -0400, "doane_nut" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

>The relays often fail, and seems to me when ours failed with the fan on we
>also needed a new fan as the motor was drawing more current then it should.
>Bearings probably going out. Our '99 has been in the shop at least 3 times
>for this issue. It is not the sensor, but usually the relay, which they get
>plenty of lab or for changing as it is behind the headlight and I believe
>the bumper fascia needs to be removed. Does not sound like a "rip-off", just
>a common expensive Jeep malady.



It seems to me that if the relay sticks that easily then it is under
rated for the job and fails with time. Relays can arc a lot under high
current and DC loads and if the contacts are not sized properly for
this load they will fail with time. If this is really such a common
problem, they should have fixed it with a higher capacity relay rather
that keep sticking you with replacing a marginally rated one. I have
had a lot of cars over the years with electric fans and never had the
first one with control relay issues even after 11 years of service.
Properly sized the fuse will blow before the relay would burn and they
fact that no one mentions fuses blowing tends to support a design flaw
with a improperly sized/rated relay. (likley to save a few pennies
when building them)
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

philthy 10-07-2007 11:08 AM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
the realy can be replaced in less than a hour when atech of experance is used and
the front cover does not have to come off can you say ripped

"P.Schuman" wrote:

> today when I went to the store,
> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
> ok... maybe it needed to run.
> but it was still running when I came back.
> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said overheated) .
>
> I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>
> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>
> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!



philthy 10-07-2007 11:08 AM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
the realy can be replaced in less than a hour when atech of experance is used and
the front cover does not have to come off can you say ripped

"P.Schuman" wrote:

> today when I went to the store,
> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
> ok... maybe it needed to run.
> but it was still running when I came back.
> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said overheated) .
>
> I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>
> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>
> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!



philthy 10-07-2007 11:08 AM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
the realy can be replaced in less than a hour when atech of experance is used and
the front cover does not have to come off can you say ripped

"P.Schuman" wrote:

> today when I went to the store,
> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
> ok... maybe it needed to run.
> but it was still running when I came back.
> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said overheated) .
>
> I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>
> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>
> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!



philthy 10-07-2007 11:08 AM

Re: Grand Cherokee 2001 cooling fan running
 
the realy can be replaced in less than a hour when atech of experance is used and
the front cover does not have to come off can you say ripped

"P.Schuman" wrote:

> today when I went to the store,
> I noticed that the electric colling fan was running
> after I turned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001 -
> ok... maybe it needed to run.
> but it was still running when I came back.
> So, I drove to the dealer... $$
> They had to replace the fan (said it was shorted) + relay (said overheated) .
>
> I would think that the sensor was the only culprit ?
> Where and how is the fan regulated, on/off, and the relay ?
> If the fan was "running" just fine, why did it need replacing ?
>
> relay package - 5017491-AB $86
> cooling fan - CBG4F250 $60
>
> Anyway - the ONLY way to get at all these parts
> was from the FRONT grill/bumper and that took a couple hours total...
> SO - for a $60-$80 fan - it cost almost $400 in labor !!




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