Frame Flex on Willys Wagon?
 

Just wondering about a couple things.
Has anyone here boxed in a frame on a Willys Wagon?
If it's used almost exclusively on the street, do you really need to?
Even with 200hp under the hood and long distance freeway speeds?
Would it help (or even matter) for towing?

My frame is actually very clean and solid (only cracked where the core
support was cut up by a previous owner making room for a SBC), but I've
heard nothing good about these frame's structural integrity. I have seen
a LOT of them with more cracks than a plumber's convention. Is that just
the normal fate of these Wagon frames?

Cheers,
- Jeff G
http://jeffgross.com/willys

Re: Frame Flex on Willys Wagon?
 

Cue Bill 3, heh heh..

Dave

"Bubba Kahuna" <jjjjjjjjjjjjjjj@null.net> wrote in message
news:vr6boc89o3q6c0@corp.supernews.com...
> Just wondering about a couple things.
> Has anyone here boxed in a frame on a Willys Wagon?
> If it's used almost exclusively on the street, do you really need to?
> Even with 200hp under the hood and long distance freeway speeds?
> Would it help (or even matter) for towing?
>
> My frame is actually very clean and solid (only cracked where the core
> support was cut up by a previous owner making room for a SBC), but I've
> heard nothing good about these frame's structural integrity. I have seen
> a LOT of them with more cracks than a plumber's convention. Is that just
> the normal fate of these Wagon frames?
>
> Cheers,
> - Jeff G
> http://jeffgross.com/willys
>

Re: Frame Flex on Willys Wagon?
 

Cue Bill 3, heh heh..

Dave

"Bubba Kahuna" <jjjjjjjjjjjjjjj@null.net> wrote in message
news:vr6boc89o3q6c0@corp.supernews.com...
> Just wondering about a couple things.
> Has anyone here boxed in a frame on a Willys Wagon?
> If it's used almost exclusively on the street, do you really need to?
> Even with 200hp under the hood and long distance freeway speeds?
> Would it help (or even matter) for towing?
>
> My frame is actually very clean and solid (only cracked where the core
> support was cut up by a previous owner making room for a SBC), but I've
> heard nothing good about these frame's structural integrity. I have seen
> a LOT of them with more cracks than a plumber's convention. Is that just
> the normal fate of these Wagon frames?
>
> Cheers,
> - Jeff G
> http://jeffgross.com/willys
>

Re: Frame Flex on Willys Wagon?
 

Cue Bill 3, heh heh..

Dave

"Bubba Kahuna" <jjjjjjjjjjjjjjj@null.net> wrote in message
news:vr6boc89o3q6c0@corp.supernews.com...
> Just wondering about a couple things.
> Has anyone here boxed in a frame on a Willys Wagon?
> If it's used almost exclusively on the street, do you really need to?
> Even with 200hp under the hood and long distance freeway speeds?
> Would it help (or even matter) for towing?
>
> My frame is actually very clean and solid (only cracked where the core
> support was cut up by a previous owner making room for a SBC), but I've
> heard nothing good about these frame's structural integrity. I have seen
> a LOT of them with more cracks than a plumber's convention. Is that just
> the normal fate of these Wagon frames?
>
> Cheers,
> - Jeff G
> http://jeffgross.com/willys
>

Re: Frame Flex on Willys Wagon?
 

Hi Bubba,
I wouldn't box the frame, I did between the front spring perches,
and I'm really sorry I did, it warped the frame. Remember boxing the
frame is one of the major reasons the CJ-7 and up rust out, that and
they use sheet metal. Repair any cracks you find using ugly gussets, the
only sure fire way to stop a crack. Maybe box your V8's motor mount
area, but the rest of the frame should be good, I believe it's same as
used under the one ton trucks:
http://www.jtrux.com/willys/60trk/images/60jtruck.jpg Remember your
frame is designed to flex, that's why it's riveted together to work like
a commercial truck. If you notice they practically twist in half
starting a big load.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bubba Kahuna wrote:
>
> Just wondering about a couple things.
> Has anyone here boxed in a frame on a Willys Wagon?
> If it's used almost exclusively on the street, do you really need to?
> Even with 200hp under the hood and long distance freeway speeds?
> Would it help (or even matter) for towing?
>
> My frame is actually very clean and solid (only cracked where the core
> support was cut up by a previous owner making room for a SBC), but I've
> heard nothing good about these frame's structural integrity. I have seen
> a LOT of them with more cracks than a plumber's convention. Is that just
> the normal fate of these Wagon frames?
>
> Cheers,
> - Jeff G
> http://jeffgross.com/willys

Re: Frame Flex on Willys Wagon?
 

Hi Bubba,
I wouldn't box the frame, I did between the front spring perches,
and I'm really sorry I did, it warped the frame. Remember boxing the
frame is one of the major reasons the CJ-7 and up rust out, that and
they use sheet metal. Repair any cracks you find using ugly gussets, the
only sure fire way to stop a crack. Maybe box your V8's motor mount
area, but the rest of the frame should be good, I believe it's same as
used under the one ton trucks:
http://www.jtrux.com/willys/60trk/images/60jtruck.jpg Remember your
frame is designed to flex, that's why it's riveted together to work like
a commercial truck. If you notice they practically twist in half
starting a big load.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bubba Kahuna wrote:
>
> Just wondering about a couple things.
> Has anyone here boxed in a frame on a Willys Wagon?
> If it's used almost exclusively on the street, do you really need to?
> Even with 200hp under the hood and long distance freeway speeds?
> Would it help (or even matter) for towing?
>
> My frame is actually very clean and solid (only cracked where the core
> support was cut up by a previous owner making room for a SBC), but I've
> heard nothing good about these frame's structural integrity. I have seen
> a LOT of them with more cracks than a plumber's convention. Is that just
> the normal fate of these Wagon frames?
>
> Cheers,
> - Jeff G
> http://jeffgross.com/willys

Re: Frame Flex on Willys Wagon?
 

Hi Bubba,
I wouldn't box the frame, I did between the front spring perches,
and I'm really sorry I did, it warped the frame. Remember boxing the
frame is one of the major reasons the CJ-7 and up rust out, that and
they use sheet metal. Repair any cracks you find using ugly gussets, the
only sure fire way to stop a crack. Maybe box your V8's motor mount
area, but the rest of the frame should be good, I believe it's same as
used under the one ton trucks:
http://www.jtrux.com/willys/60trk/images/60jtruck.jpg Remember your
frame is designed to flex, that's why it's riveted together to work like
a commercial truck. If you notice they practically twist in half
starting a big load.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bubba Kahuna wrote:
>
> Just wondering about a couple things.
> Has anyone here boxed in a frame on a Willys Wagon?
> If it's used almost exclusively on the street, do you really need to?
> Even with 200hp under the hood and long distance freeway speeds?
> Would it help (or even matter) for towing?
>
> My frame is actually very clean and solid (only cracked where the core
> support was cut up by a previous owner making room for a SBC), but I've
> heard nothing good about these frame's structural integrity. I have seen
> a LOT of them with more cracks than a plumber's convention. Is that just
> the normal fate of these Wagon frames?
>
> Cheers,
> - Jeff G
> http://jeffgross.com/willys

Re: Frame Flex on Willys Wagon?
 

Hi Bill,
I wondered about the rust issue getting crud trapped in there. I'm not
going to use the 283 that's in there, it'll be getting a V6 that will be
moved to the rear so clearance at the core support won't be an issus.
I'll have to box in/back the firewall some, but the PO started that job
with a sledgehammer for me already so it'll be new anyhow.
(http://jeffgross.com/willys/pages/MVC-880F.htm
The required-flex makes sense. I've read a lot of other paople's
opinions about how/why these frames should be boxed, but wasn't sure if
it was because of normal flex being too much, or flex becoming too much
because of rot. I think I'll leave it as-is and powder coat or Rhino the
frame.


Thanks,
- Jeff G



L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Bubba,
> I wouldn't box the frame, I did between the front spring perches,
> and I'm really sorry I did, it warped the frame. Remember boxing the
> frame is one of the major reasons the CJ-7 and up rust out, that and
> they use sheet metal. Repair any cracks you find using ugly gussets, the
> only sure fire way to stop a crack. Maybe box your V8's motor mount
> area, but the rest of the frame should be good, I believe it's same as
> used under the one ton trucks:
> http://www.jtrux.com/willys/60trk/images/60jtruck.jpg Remember your
> frame is designed to flex, that's why it's riveted together to work like
> a commercial truck. If you notice they practically twist in half
> starting a big load.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bubba Kahuna wrote:
>
>>Just wondering about a couple things.
>>Has anyone here boxed in a frame on a Willys Wagon?
>>If it's used almost exclusively on the street, do you really need to?
>>Even with 200hp under the hood and long distance freeway speeds?
>>Would it help (or even matter) for towing?
>>
>>My frame is actually very clean and solid (only cracked where the core
>>support was cut up by a previous owner making room for a SBC), but I've
>>heard nothing good about these frame's structural integrity. I have seen
>>a LOT of them with more cracks than a plumber's convention. Is that just
>>the normal fate of these Wagon frames?
>>
>>Cheers,
>> - Jeff G
>>http://jeffgross.com/willys

Re: Frame Flex on Willys Wagon?
 

Hi Bill,
I wondered about the rust issue getting crud trapped in there. I'm not
going to use the 283 that's in there, it'll be getting a V6 that will be
moved to the rear so clearance at the core support won't be an issus.
I'll have to box in/back the firewall some, but the PO started that job
with a sledgehammer for me already so it'll be new anyhow.
(http://jeffgross.com/willys/pages/MVC-880F.htm
The required-flex makes sense. I've read a lot of other paople's
opinions about how/why these frames should be boxed, but wasn't sure if
it was because of normal flex being too much, or flex becoming too much
because of rot. I think I'll leave it as-is and powder coat or Rhino the
frame.


Thanks,
- Jeff G



L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Bubba,
> I wouldn't box the frame, I did between the front spring perches,
> and I'm really sorry I did, it warped the frame. Remember boxing the
> frame is one of the major reasons the CJ-7 and up rust out, that and
> they use sheet metal. Repair any cracks you find using ugly gussets, the
> only sure fire way to stop a crack. Maybe box your V8's motor mount
> area, but the rest of the frame should be good, I believe it's same as
> used under the one ton trucks:
> http://www.jtrux.com/willys/60trk/images/60jtruck.jpg Remember your
> frame is designed to flex, that's why it's riveted together to work like
> a commercial truck. If you notice they practically twist in half
> starting a big load.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bubba Kahuna wrote:
>
>>Just wondering about a couple things.
>>Has anyone here boxed in a frame on a Willys Wagon?
>>If it's used almost exclusively on the street, do you really need to?
>>Even with 200hp under the hood and long distance freeway speeds?
>>Would it help (or even matter) for towing?
>>
>>My frame is actually very clean and solid (only cracked where the core
>>support was cut up by a previous owner making room for a SBC), but I've
>>heard nothing good about these frame's structural integrity. I have seen
>>a LOT of them with more cracks than a plumber's convention. Is that just
>>the normal fate of these Wagon frames?
>>
>>Cheers,
>> - Jeff G
>>http://jeffgross.com/willys

Re: Frame Flex on Willys Wagon?
 

Hi Bill,
I wondered about the rust issue getting crud trapped in there. I'm not
going to use the 283 that's in there, it'll be getting a V6 that will be
moved to the rear so clearance at the core support won't be an issus.
I'll have to box in/back the firewall some, but the PO started that job
with a sledgehammer for me already so it'll be new anyhow.
(http://jeffgross.com/willys/pages/MVC-880F.htm
The required-flex makes sense. I've read a lot of other paople's
opinions about how/why these frames should be boxed, but wasn't sure if
it was because of normal flex being too much, or flex becoming too much
because of rot. I think I'll leave it as-is and powder coat or Rhino the
frame.


Thanks,
- Jeff G



L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Bubba,
> I wouldn't box the frame, I did between the front spring perches,
> and I'm really sorry I did, it warped the frame. Remember boxing the
> frame is one of the major reasons the CJ-7 and up rust out, that and
> they use sheet metal. Repair any cracks you find using ugly gussets, the
> only sure fire way to stop a crack. Maybe box your V8's motor mount
> area, but the rest of the frame should be good, I believe it's same as
> used under the one ton trucks:
> http://www.jtrux.com/willys/60trk/images/60jtruck.jpg Remember your
> frame is designed to flex, that's why it's riveted together to work like
> a commercial truck. If you notice they practically twist in half
> starting a big load.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bubba Kahuna wrote:
>
>>Just wondering about a couple things.
>>Has anyone here boxed in a frame on a Willys Wagon?
>>If it's used almost exclusively on the street, do you really need to?
>>Even with 200hp under the hood and long distance freeway speeds?
>>Would it help (or even matter) for towing?
>>
>>My frame is actually very clean and solid (only cracked where the core
>>support was cut up by a previous owner making room for a SBC), but I've
>>heard nothing good about these frame's structural integrity. I have seen
>>a LOT of them with more cracks than a plumber's convention. Is that just
>>the normal fate of these Wagon frames?
>>
>>Cheers,
>> - Jeff G
>>http://jeffgross.com/willys