Re: Everyone's fav spark plugs/wires/etc.?
 

> NGK Spark Plugs were used in the Japanese zeros,

Of course, they were made with American materials, and they worked well.
Didn't i see a VW buggy in you list of vehicles? I don't think that makes
you a nazi.

I have had the same Accel 'crimp your own" solid core set in my jeepster
since 89 or so, it consistantly passes a scope test.
I have run across 3 instances of defective new Champions in the last 2 years
( "I just tuned it and it runs bad"), I stay with NGK, Nippondenso, Bosch,
and Autolite, in that order if the first isn't available.
Interestingly, AC stands for Albert Champion, same guy started a new company
after he sold the first one. That was the only connection.


--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Re: Everyone's fav spark plugs/wires/etc.?
 

NOPE!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> Of course, they were made with American materials, and they worked well.
> Didn't i see a VW buggy in you list of vehicles? I don't think that makes
> you a nazi.
>
> I have had the same Accel 'crimp your own" solid core set in my jeepster
> since 89 or so, it consistantly passes a scope test.
> I have run across 3 instances of defective new Champions in the last 2 years
> ( "I just tuned it and it runs bad"), I stay with NGK, Nippondenso, Bosch,
> and Autolite, in that order if the first isn't available.
> Interestingly, AC stands for Albert Champion, same guy started a new company
> after he sold the first one. That was the only connection.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Re: Everyone's fav spark plugs/wires/etc.?
 

NOPE!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> Of course, they were made with American materials, and they worked well.
> Didn't i see a VW buggy in you list of vehicles? I don't think that makes
> you a nazi.
>
> I have had the same Accel 'crimp your own" solid core set in my jeepster
> since 89 or so, it consistantly passes a scope test.
> I have run across 3 instances of defective new Champions in the last 2 years
> ( "I just tuned it and it runs bad"), I stay with NGK, Nippondenso, Bosch,
> and Autolite, in that order if the first isn't available.
> Interestingly, AC stands for Albert Champion, same guy started a new company
> after he sold the first one. That was the only connection.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Re: Everyone's fav spark plugs/wires/etc.?
 

NOPE!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> Of course, they were made with American materials, and they worked well.
> Didn't i see a VW buggy in you list of vehicles? I don't think that makes
> you a nazi.
>
> I have had the same Accel 'crimp your own" solid core set in my jeepster
> since 89 or so, it consistantly passes a scope test.
> I have run across 3 instances of defective new Champions in the last 2 years
> ( "I just tuned it and it runs bad"), I stay with NGK, Nippondenso, Bosch,
> and Autolite, in that order if the first isn't available.
> Interestingly, AC stands for Albert Champion, same guy started a new company
> after he sold the first one. That was the only connection.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Re: Everyone's fav spark plugs/wires/etc.?
 

NOPE!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> Of course, they were made with American materials, and they worked well.
> Didn't i see a VW buggy in you list of vehicles? I don't think that makes
> you a nazi.
>
> I have had the same Accel 'crimp your own" solid core set in my jeepster
> since 89 or so, it consistantly passes a scope test.
> I have run across 3 instances of defective new Champions in the last 2 years
> ( "I just tuned it and it runs bad"), I stay with NGK, Nippondenso, Bosch,
> and Autolite, in that order if the first isn't available.
> Interestingly, AC stands for Albert Champion, same guy started a new company
> after he sold the first one. That was the only connection.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Re: Everyone's fav spark plugs/wires/etc.?
 

I can go along with that, the Japs have done pretty well with their
powertrain engineering. NGK, whatever they use, it works.


That being said, I have had more people than I can count bring their
American vehicle to me, and say something along these lines: "It runs rough
at idle, misfires on acceleration. I don't know why, I just tuned it up."
What's the first thing I find? NGK or Bosch Platinum or Splitfire or
whatever brand-of-the-week. Replace them with OE, and all is well.

I gotta think that the auto manufacturers invest an inordinate amount of
time and money into development of their ignition systems. The plugs that
they use last for a helluva long time and rarely give trouble. Whatever the
manufacturer uses, that is what I use. Jeep/Chrysler takes a Champion, GM
gets AC, Ford gets Autolite...... right down the line. You would think that
a spark is a spark is a spark..... I can't explain it, but you can't argue
with results. The OEM plug cannot be beat.


Jerry


"GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:746yc.6578$ar2.1234@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> I knew that was coming Bill and I am on your side. However, you must admit
> that it is pretty ironic that the "iconic" American Jeep is now owned by
> Krauts and running on Japanese spark plugs. Fat Man and Little Boy took
care
> of the militant part and now they are just better engineers than we are
> because we only allowed them to become that post-war. The Big Three:
>
> German Engineering, Japanese Manufacturing, and American Marketing
>
> Regards,
>
> GK
>
> PS - I also own a "real" Jeep. A rust bucket, AMC CJ-5.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:40C8E8CD.6904E382@cox.net...
> > NGK Spark Plugs were used in the Japanese zeros that bomb Pearl Harbor
> > and killed many Americans.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > GK wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually the OEM plug specified by Jeep for 2003 to Present is now a
NGK
> > > ZFR5N.
> > > http://www.ngk.com/results_cross.asp?pid=ZFR5N
> > >
> > > IMHO, NGKs are a far superior plug to most any other without trying to
> be
> > > some gimmicky junk like Splitfires or Bosch Platinum +1,2,3,4,etc....
I
> will
> > > probably get flamed for this but,..... We may make fun of the Ricers
in
> > > their Hondas and Toyotas, but the Japanese can build one hell of a
> motor. I
> > > would be hard pressed to see a better engineered motor than a Honda
> V-TEC
> > > and they all use NGKs as OEM plugs. My wife's 2002 Honda even came
from
> the
> > > factory with the new NGK Iridium plugs as OEM. I am stating this and I
> have
> > > owned a FJ-40 Landcruiser, 3 TJs, and a '79 CJ-5.
> > >
> > > My $.02
> > >
> > > GK
>
>

Re: Everyone's fav spark plugs/wires/etc.?
 

I can go along with that, the Japs have done pretty well with their
powertrain engineering. NGK, whatever they use, it works.


That being said, I have had more people than I can count bring their
American vehicle to me, and say something along these lines: "It runs rough
at idle, misfires on acceleration. I don't know why, I just tuned it up."
What's the first thing I find? NGK or Bosch Platinum or Splitfire or
whatever brand-of-the-week. Replace them with OE, and all is well.

I gotta think that the auto manufacturers invest an inordinate amount of
time and money into development of their ignition systems. The plugs that
they use last for a helluva long time and rarely give trouble. Whatever the
manufacturer uses, that is what I use. Jeep/Chrysler takes a Champion, GM
gets AC, Ford gets Autolite...... right down the line. You would think that
a spark is a spark is a spark..... I can't explain it, but you can't argue
with results. The OEM plug cannot be beat.


Jerry


"GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:746yc.6578$ar2.1234@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> I knew that was coming Bill and I am on your side. However, you must admit
> that it is pretty ironic that the "iconic" American Jeep is now owned by
> Krauts and running on Japanese spark plugs. Fat Man and Little Boy took
care
> of the militant part and now they are just better engineers than we are
> because we only allowed them to become that post-war. The Big Three:
>
> German Engineering, Japanese Manufacturing, and American Marketing
>
> Regards,
>
> GK
>
> PS - I also own a "real" Jeep. A rust bucket, AMC CJ-5.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:40C8E8CD.6904E382@cox.net...
> > NGK Spark Plugs were used in the Japanese zeros that bomb Pearl Harbor
> > and killed many Americans.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > GK wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually the OEM plug specified by Jeep for 2003 to Present is now a
NGK
> > > ZFR5N.
> > > http://www.ngk.com/results_cross.asp?pid=ZFR5N
> > >
> > > IMHO, NGKs are a far superior plug to most any other without trying to
> be
> > > some gimmicky junk like Splitfires or Bosch Platinum +1,2,3,4,etc....
I
> will
> > > probably get flamed for this but,..... We may make fun of the Ricers
in
> > > their Hondas and Toyotas, but the Japanese can build one hell of a
> motor. I
> > > would be hard pressed to see a better engineered motor than a Honda
> V-TEC
> > > and they all use NGKs as OEM plugs. My wife's 2002 Honda even came
from
> the
> > > factory with the new NGK Iridium plugs as OEM. I am stating this and I
> have
> > > owned a FJ-40 Landcruiser, 3 TJs, and a '79 CJ-5.
> > >
> > > My $.02
> > >
> > > GK
>
>

Re: Everyone's fav spark plugs/wires/etc.?
 

I can go along with that, the Japs have done pretty well with their
powertrain engineering. NGK, whatever they use, it works.


That being said, I have had more people than I can count bring their
American vehicle to me, and say something along these lines: "It runs rough
at idle, misfires on acceleration. I don't know why, I just tuned it up."
What's the first thing I find? NGK or Bosch Platinum or Splitfire or
whatever brand-of-the-week. Replace them with OE, and all is well.

I gotta think that the auto manufacturers invest an inordinate amount of
time and money into development of their ignition systems. The plugs that
they use last for a helluva long time and rarely give trouble. Whatever the
manufacturer uses, that is what I use. Jeep/Chrysler takes a Champion, GM
gets AC, Ford gets Autolite...... right down the line. You would think that
a spark is a spark is a spark..... I can't explain it, but you can't argue
with results. The OEM plug cannot be beat.


Jerry


"GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:746yc.6578$ar2.1234@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> I knew that was coming Bill and I am on your side. However, you must admit
> that it is pretty ironic that the "iconic" American Jeep is now owned by
> Krauts and running on Japanese spark plugs. Fat Man and Little Boy took
care
> of the militant part and now they are just better engineers than we are
> because we only allowed them to become that post-war. The Big Three:
>
> German Engineering, Japanese Manufacturing, and American Marketing
>
> Regards,
>
> GK
>
> PS - I also own a "real" Jeep. A rust bucket, AMC CJ-5.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:40C8E8CD.6904E382@cox.net...
> > NGK Spark Plugs were used in the Japanese zeros that bomb Pearl Harbor
> > and killed many Americans.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > GK wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually the OEM plug specified by Jeep for 2003 to Present is now a
NGK
> > > ZFR5N.
> > > http://www.ngk.com/results_cross.asp?pid=ZFR5N
> > >
> > > IMHO, NGKs are a far superior plug to most any other without trying to
> be
> > > some gimmicky junk like Splitfires or Bosch Platinum +1,2,3,4,etc....
I
> will
> > > probably get flamed for this but,..... We may make fun of the Ricers
in
> > > their Hondas and Toyotas, but the Japanese can build one hell of a
> motor. I
> > > would be hard pressed to see a better engineered motor than a Honda
> V-TEC
> > > and they all use NGKs as OEM plugs. My wife's 2002 Honda even came
from
> the
> > > factory with the new NGK Iridium plugs as OEM. I am stating this and I
> have
> > > owned a FJ-40 Landcruiser, 3 TJs, and a '79 CJ-5.
> > >
> > > My $.02
> > >
> > > GK
>
>

Re: Everyone's fav spark plugs/wires/etc.?
 

I can go along with that, the Japs have done pretty well with their
powertrain engineering. NGK, whatever they use, it works.


That being said, I have had more people than I can count bring their
American vehicle to me, and say something along these lines: "It runs rough
at idle, misfires on acceleration. I don't know why, I just tuned it up."
What's the first thing I find? NGK or Bosch Platinum or Splitfire or
whatever brand-of-the-week. Replace them with OE, and all is well.

I gotta think that the auto manufacturers invest an inordinate amount of
time and money into development of their ignition systems. The plugs that
they use last for a helluva long time and rarely give trouble. Whatever the
manufacturer uses, that is what I use. Jeep/Chrysler takes a Champion, GM
gets AC, Ford gets Autolite...... right down the line. You would think that
a spark is a spark is a spark..... I can't explain it, but you can't argue
with results. The OEM plug cannot be beat.


Jerry


"GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:746yc.6578$ar2.1234@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> I knew that was coming Bill and I am on your side. However, you must admit
> that it is pretty ironic that the "iconic" American Jeep is now owned by
> Krauts and running on Japanese spark plugs. Fat Man and Little Boy took
care
> of the militant part and now they are just better engineers than we are
> because we only allowed them to become that post-war. The Big Three:
>
> German Engineering, Japanese Manufacturing, and American Marketing
>
> Regards,
>
> GK
>
> PS - I also own a "real" Jeep. A rust bucket, AMC CJ-5.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:40C8E8CD.6904E382@cox.net...
> > NGK Spark Plugs were used in the Japanese zeros that bomb Pearl Harbor
> > and killed many Americans.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > GK wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually the OEM plug specified by Jeep for 2003 to Present is now a
NGK
> > > ZFR5N.
> > > http://www.ngk.com/results_cross.asp?pid=ZFR5N
> > >
> > > IMHO, NGKs are a far superior plug to most any other without trying to
> be
> > > some gimmicky junk like Splitfires or Bosch Platinum +1,2,3,4,etc....
I
> will
> > > probably get flamed for this but,..... We may make fun of the Ricers
in
> > > their Hondas and Toyotas, but the Japanese can build one hell of a
> motor. I
> > > would be hard pressed to see a better engineered motor than a Honda
> V-TEC
> > > and they all use NGKs as OEM plugs. My wife's 2002 Honda even came
from
> the
> > > factory with the new NGK Iridium plugs as OEM. I am stating this and I
> have
> > > owned a FJ-40 Landcruiser, 3 TJs, and a '79 CJ-5.
> > >
> > > My $.02
> > >
> > > GK
>
>

Re: Everyone's fav spark plugs/wires/etc.?
 

What I stated in my earlier post though is that the NGK ZFR5N is now the OEM
plug for Jeep. At least the 2003 and up Wranglers. Check the NGK product
finder link for yourself and do a search on a 2003 Wrangler with 4.0 I6. (It
even denotes that it is OEM.)

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/apps/ca...60000&country=

Generally stating that a Champion plug is the only OEM plug for a Jeep is no
longer the truth. Find a 2003 or 2004 Wrangler and look under the hood at
the manufacturers sticker that states the sparkplug type. It ain't America's
favorite lawn mower plug anymore. ;)

GK

"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
news:40c91f42_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
> I can go along with that, the Japs have done pretty well with their
> powertrain engineering. NGK, whatever they use, it works.
>
>
> That being said, I have had more people than I can count bring their
> American vehicle to me, and say something along these lines: "It runs
rough
> at idle, misfires on acceleration. I don't know why, I just tuned it up."
> What's the first thing I find? NGK or Bosch Platinum or Splitfire or
> whatever brand-of-the-week. Replace them with OE, and all is well.
>
> I gotta think that the auto manufacturers invest an inordinate amount of
> time and money into development of their ignition systems. The plugs that
> they use last for a helluva long time and rarely give trouble. Whatever
the
> manufacturer uses, that is what I use. Jeep/Chrysler takes a Champion, GM
> gets AC, Ford gets Autolite...... right down the line. You would think
that
> a spark is a spark is a spark..... I can't explain it, but you can't argue
> with results. The OEM plug cannot be beat.
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:746yc.6578$ar2.1234@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > I knew that was coming Bill and I am on your side. However, you must
admit
> > that it is pretty ironic that the "iconic" American Jeep is now owned by
> > Krauts and running on Japanese spark plugs. Fat Man and Little Boy took
> care
> > of the militant part and now they are just better engineers than we are
> > because we only allowed them to become that post-war. The Big Three:
> >
> > German Engineering, Japanese Manufacturing, and American Marketing
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > GK
> >
> > PS - I also own a "real" Jeep. A rust bucket, AMC CJ-5.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:40C8E8CD.6904E382@cox.net...
> > > NGK Spark Plugs were used in the Japanese zeros that bomb Pearl Harbor
> > > and killed many Americans.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > GK wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually the OEM plug specified by Jeep for 2003 to Present is now a
> NGK
> > > > ZFR5N.
> > > > http://www.ngk.com/results_cross.asp?pid=ZFR5N
> > > >
> > > > IMHO, NGKs are a far superior plug to most any other without trying
to
> > be
> > > > some gimmicky junk like Splitfires or Bosch Platinum
+1,2,3,4,etc....
> I
> > will
> > > > probably get flamed for this but,..... We may make fun of the Ricers
> in
> > > > their Hondas and Toyotas, but the Japanese can build one hell of a
> > motor. I
> > > > would be hard pressed to see a better engineered motor than a Honda
> > V-TEC
> > > > and they all use NGKs as OEM plugs. My wife's 2002 Honda even came
> from
> > the
> > > > factory with the new NGK Iridium plugs as OEM. I am stating this and
I
> > have
> > > > owned a FJ-40 Landcruiser, 3 TJs, and a '79 CJ-5.
> > > >
> > > > My $.02
> > > >
> > > > GK
> >
> >
>
>