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Re: dumb question.
It doesn't matter. You're still getting the protection of 30 weight oil at normal summer temperatures, within the design life of the oil. For more than you probably want to know about motor oil ratings, see: <URL:http://www.advanceautoparts.com/english/youcan/html/ccr/ccr20040601ov.html> And $19 is a good price. I last paid $30 at the local qwik lube. But they put in enough to bring it up to the "full" mark on the dipstick, too. Here's one, though: The guy at the lube shop claimed that the red dye in ATF fluid is designed to give up and turn brown about the same time as the additives in the fluid give up. Anyone know if that's true? DougW wrote: > This is what I get for dropping my Jeep off at a Dodge dealership for > a quick/cheap oil change. :) Oh well, worst off I run for a while, > flush, and refill. Only $19 for a full oil flush isn't bad. > > By the receipt it looks like they put 5 quarts of 5W30 in. > ...er.. > Should be 6 quarts of 10W30. > > I gotta start paying more attention.... > > Oil looks nice and clean but 5W is more for < freezing expected > in the next interval. It's close to fall, but not that close to > winter. On the other hand the oil is only 10 cold with a viscosity > of 30 at operating temperature. i.e. more for easier starts in cold > weather. > > I'll top off the oil with some 10W30 synthetic so that's not a biggie. > > Still though, I've got a few more thousand miles of travel in 90+ weather. > From what I understand there really isn't an issue since the weight is still > 30 and the engine operates at the same temperature anyway. > > Thoughts? > |
Re: dumb question.
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message news:ec84kj$emu$1@reader2.panix.com... > ---snippy--- > > Here's one, though: The guy at the lube shop claimed that the red dye > in ATF fluid is designed to give up and turn brown about the same time > as the additives in the fluid give up. Anyone know if that's true? > One thing you always want to keep in mind, is how much education and ambition it takes, to work in a lube shop. Now with a dealer technician, maybe they send him to a service school once in a while, and maybe he actually studies the material instead of using it as a chance to party every night on the boss' dime, but how much in-service training do you think lube shop guys get? He's got one thing right though. If the fluid is any color but red, you do want to change it. Earle |
Re: dumb question.
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message news:ec84kj$emu$1@reader2.panix.com... > ---snippy--- > > Here's one, though: The guy at the lube shop claimed that the red dye > in ATF fluid is designed to give up and turn brown about the same time > as the additives in the fluid give up. Anyone know if that's true? > One thing you always want to keep in mind, is how much education and ambition it takes, to work in a lube shop. Now with a dealer technician, maybe they send him to a service school once in a while, and maybe he actually studies the material instead of using it as a chance to party every night on the boss' dime, but how much in-service training do you think lube shop guys get? He's got one thing right though. If the fluid is any color but red, you do want to change it. Earle |
Re: dumb question.
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message news:ec84kj$emu$1@reader2.panix.com... > ---snippy--- > > Here's one, though: The guy at the lube shop claimed that the red dye > in ATF fluid is designed to give up and turn brown about the same time > as the additives in the fluid give up. Anyone know if that's true? > One thing you always want to keep in mind, is how much education and ambition it takes, to work in a lube shop. Now with a dealer technician, maybe they send him to a service school once in a while, and maybe he actually studies the material instead of using it as a chance to party every night on the boss' dime, but how much in-service training do you think lube shop guys get? He's got one thing right though. If the fluid is any color but red, you do want to change it. Earle |
Re: dumb question.
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message news:ec84kj$emu$1@reader2.panix.com... > ---snippy--- > > Here's one, though: The guy at the lube shop claimed that the red dye > in ATF fluid is designed to give up and turn brown about the same time > as the additives in the fluid give up. Anyone know if that's true? > One thing you always want to keep in mind, is how much education and ambition it takes, to work in a lube shop. Now with a dealer technician, maybe they send him to a service school once in a while, and maybe he actually studies the material instead of using it as a chance to party every night on the boss' dime, but how much in-service training do you think lube shop guys get? He's got one thing right though. If the fluid is any color but red, you do want to change it. Earle |
Re: dumb question.
The new manuals say that color isn't a reflection of fluid condition.
I'm not so sure what I think about their statement on color and smell though. The following is an excerpt from the '02 WJ manual: DESCRIPTION - AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID NOTE: Refer to Service Procedures in this group for fluid level checking procedures. Mopar ATF +4, type 9602, Automatic Transmission Fluid is the recommended fluid for DaimlerChrysler automatic transmissions. Dexron II fluid IS NOT recommended. Clutch chatter can result from the use of improper fluid. Mopar ATF +4, type 9602, Automatic Transmission Fluid when new is red in color. The ATF is dyed red so it can be identified from other fluids used in the vehicle such as engine oil or antifreeze. The red color is not permanent and is not an indicator of fluid condition. As the vehicle is driven, the ATF will begin to look darker in color and may eventually become brown. This is normal. ATF+4 also has a unique odor that may change with age. Consequently, odor and color cannot be used to indicate the fluid condition or the need for a fluid change. "Earle Horton" <Earle-NOSPAM-Horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44e79eb6$0$12239$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message > news:ec84kj$emu$1@reader2.panix.com... >> > ---snippy--- >> >> Here's one, though: The guy at the lube shop claimed that the red dye >> in ATF fluid is designed to give up and turn brown about the same time >> as the additives in the fluid give up. Anyone know if that's true? >> > One thing you always want to keep in mind, is how much education and > ambition it takes, to work in a lube shop. Now with a dealer technician, > maybe they send him to a service school once in a while, and maybe he > actually studies the material instead of using it as a chance to party > every > night on the boss' dime, but how much in-service training do you think > lube > shop guys get? > > He's got one thing right though. If the fluid is any color but red, you > do > want to change it. > > Earle > > > |
Re: dumb question.
The new manuals say that color isn't a reflection of fluid condition.
I'm not so sure what I think about their statement on color and smell though. The following is an excerpt from the '02 WJ manual: DESCRIPTION - AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID NOTE: Refer to Service Procedures in this group for fluid level checking procedures. Mopar ATF +4, type 9602, Automatic Transmission Fluid is the recommended fluid for DaimlerChrysler automatic transmissions. Dexron II fluid IS NOT recommended. Clutch chatter can result from the use of improper fluid. Mopar ATF +4, type 9602, Automatic Transmission Fluid when new is red in color. The ATF is dyed red so it can be identified from other fluids used in the vehicle such as engine oil or antifreeze. The red color is not permanent and is not an indicator of fluid condition. As the vehicle is driven, the ATF will begin to look darker in color and may eventually become brown. This is normal. ATF+4 also has a unique odor that may change with age. Consequently, odor and color cannot be used to indicate the fluid condition or the need for a fluid change. "Earle Horton" <Earle-NOSPAM-Horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44e79eb6$0$12239$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message > news:ec84kj$emu$1@reader2.panix.com... >> > ---snippy--- >> >> Here's one, though: The guy at the lube shop claimed that the red dye >> in ATF fluid is designed to give up and turn brown about the same time >> as the additives in the fluid give up. Anyone know if that's true? >> > One thing you always want to keep in mind, is how much education and > ambition it takes, to work in a lube shop. Now with a dealer technician, > maybe they send him to a service school once in a while, and maybe he > actually studies the material instead of using it as a chance to party > every > night on the boss' dime, but how much in-service training do you think > lube > shop guys get? > > He's got one thing right though. If the fluid is any color but red, you > do > want to change it. > > Earle > > > |
Re: dumb question.
The new manuals say that color isn't a reflection of fluid condition.
I'm not so sure what I think about their statement on color and smell though. The following is an excerpt from the '02 WJ manual: DESCRIPTION - AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID NOTE: Refer to Service Procedures in this group for fluid level checking procedures. Mopar ATF +4, type 9602, Automatic Transmission Fluid is the recommended fluid for DaimlerChrysler automatic transmissions. Dexron II fluid IS NOT recommended. Clutch chatter can result from the use of improper fluid. Mopar ATF +4, type 9602, Automatic Transmission Fluid when new is red in color. The ATF is dyed red so it can be identified from other fluids used in the vehicle such as engine oil or antifreeze. The red color is not permanent and is not an indicator of fluid condition. As the vehicle is driven, the ATF will begin to look darker in color and may eventually become brown. This is normal. ATF+4 also has a unique odor that may change with age. Consequently, odor and color cannot be used to indicate the fluid condition or the need for a fluid change. "Earle Horton" <Earle-NOSPAM-Horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44e79eb6$0$12239$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message > news:ec84kj$emu$1@reader2.panix.com... >> > ---snippy--- >> >> Here's one, though: The guy at the lube shop claimed that the red dye >> in ATF fluid is designed to give up and turn brown about the same time >> as the additives in the fluid give up. Anyone know if that's true? >> > One thing you always want to keep in mind, is how much education and > ambition it takes, to work in a lube shop. Now with a dealer technician, > maybe they send him to a service school once in a while, and maybe he > actually studies the material instead of using it as a chance to party > every > night on the boss' dime, but how much in-service training do you think > lube > shop guys get? > > He's got one thing right though. If the fluid is any color but red, you > do > want to change it. > > Earle > > > |
Re: dumb question.
The new manuals say that color isn't a reflection of fluid condition.
I'm not so sure what I think about their statement on color and smell though. The following is an excerpt from the '02 WJ manual: DESCRIPTION - AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID NOTE: Refer to Service Procedures in this group for fluid level checking procedures. Mopar ATF +4, type 9602, Automatic Transmission Fluid is the recommended fluid for DaimlerChrysler automatic transmissions. Dexron II fluid IS NOT recommended. Clutch chatter can result from the use of improper fluid. Mopar ATF +4, type 9602, Automatic Transmission Fluid when new is red in color. The ATF is dyed red so it can be identified from other fluids used in the vehicle such as engine oil or antifreeze. The red color is not permanent and is not an indicator of fluid condition. As the vehicle is driven, the ATF will begin to look darker in color and may eventually become brown. This is normal. ATF+4 also has a unique odor that may change with age. Consequently, odor and color cannot be used to indicate the fluid condition or the need for a fluid change. "Earle Horton" <Earle-NOSPAM-Horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44e79eb6$0$12239$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message > news:ec84kj$emu$1@reader2.panix.com... >> > ---snippy--- >> >> Here's one, though: The guy at the lube shop claimed that the red dye >> in ATF fluid is designed to give up and turn brown about the same time >> as the additives in the fluid give up. Anyone know if that's true? >> > One thing you always want to keep in mind, is how much education and > ambition it takes, to work in a lube shop. Now with a dealer technician, > maybe they send him to a service school once in a while, and maybe he > actually studies the material instead of using it as a chance to party > every > night on the boss' dime, but how much in-service training do you think > lube > shop guys get? > > He's got one thing right though. If the fluid is any color but red, you > do > want to change it. > > Earle > > > |
Re: dumb question.
I don't believe you'll find a grease monkey with less than a
Automotive Service Excellence Certification God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > One thing you always want to keep in mind, is how much education and > ambition it takes, to work in a lube shop. Now with a dealer technician, > maybe they send him to a service school once in a while, and maybe he > actually studies the material instead of using it as a chance to party every > night on the boss' dime, but how much in-service training do you think lube > shop guys get? > > He's got one thing right though. If the fluid is any color but red, you do > want to change it. > > Earle |
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