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Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Zerex Green is supposed to be close. Autozone has it or can order it for
you. http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8 Earle "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price > was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as > long as you didn't let critters get to it. > > Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). > > Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want > to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. > > Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? > > Jeff DeWitt > > Stupendous Man wrote: > > After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda bike > > waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting to > > spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year. > > I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket last > > fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my > > Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less than > > .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in coolant > > had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google turns > > out that lots of people have had similar problems. > > I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles. > > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
This may help a good read
http://www.aftermarketbusiness.com/a....jsp?id=358271 Coasty "Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message news:464e76ea$0$28264$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Zerex Green is supposed to be close. Autozone has it or can order it for > you. > > http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8 > > Earle > > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price >> was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as >> long as you didn't let critters get to it. >> >> Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). >> >> Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want >> to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. >> >> Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> >> Stupendous Man wrote: >> > After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda > bike >> > waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting > to >> > spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year. >> > I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket > last >> > fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my >> > Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less > than >> > .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in > coolant >> > had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google > turns >> > out that lots of people have had similar problems. >> > I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles. >> > > > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
This may help a good read
http://www.aftermarketbusiness.com/a....jsp?id=358271 Coasty "Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message news:464e76ea$0$28264$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Zerex Green is supposed to be close. Autozone has it or can order it for > you. > > http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8 > > Earle > > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price >> was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as >> long as you didn't let critters get to it. >> >> Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). >> >> Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want >> to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. >> >> Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> >> Stupendous Man wrote: >> > After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda > bike >> > waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting > to >> > spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year. >> > I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket > last >> > fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my >> > Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less > than >> > .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in > coolant >> > had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google > turns >> > out that lots of people have had similar problems. >> > I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles. >> > > > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
This may help a good read
http://www.aftermarketbusiness.com/a....jsp?id=358271 Coasty "Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message news:464e76ea$0$28264$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Zerex Green is supposed to be close. Autozone has it or can order it for > you. > > http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8 > > Earle > > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price >> was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as >> long as you didn't let critters get to it. >> >> Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). >> >> Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want >> to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. >> >> Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> >> Stupendous Man wrote: >> > After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda > bike >> > waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting > to >> > spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year. >> > I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket > last >> > fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my >> > Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less > than >> > .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in > coolant >> > had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google > turns >> > out that lots of people have had similar problems. >> > I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles. >> > > > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
This may help a good read
http://www.aftermarketbusiness.com/a....jsp?id=358271 Coasty "Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message news:464e76ea$0$28264$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Zerex Green is supposed to be close. Autozone has it or can order it for > you. > > http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8 > > Earle > > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price >> was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as >> long as you didn't let critters get to it. >> >> Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). >> >> Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want >> to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. >> >> Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> >> Stupendous Man wrote: >> > After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda > bike >> > waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting > to >> > spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year. >> > I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket > last >> > fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my >> > Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less > than >> > .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in > coolant >> > had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google > turns >> > out that lots of people have had similar problems. >> > I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles. >> > > > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as #long as you didn't let critters get to it. # #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). # #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. # #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? # #Jeff DeWitt Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170, Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc. Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and likewise, be the same color and not be compatable. Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable. As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL. But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled ethylene glycol and Ford does not? /herb |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as #long as you didn't let critters get to it. # #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). # #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. # #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? # #Jeff DeWitt Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170, Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc. Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and likewise, be the same color and not be compatable. Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable. As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL. But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled ethylene glycol and Ford does not? /herb |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as #long as you didn't let critters get to it. # #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). # #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. # #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? # #Jeff DeWitt Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170, Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc. Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and likewise, be the same color and not be compatable. Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable. As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL. But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled ethylene glycol and Ford does not? /herb |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as #long as you didn't let critters get to it. # #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). # #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. # #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? # #Jeff DeWitt Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170, Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc. Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and likewise, be the same color and not be compatable. Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable. As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL. But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled ethylene glycol and Ford does not? /herb |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Heh, I count three basic types of coolant, IAT, OAT and HOAT, plus the
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types". This is a pretty chart. http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita. Saludos y buena suerte, Earle "Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net... > In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: > #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price > #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as > #long as you didn't let critters get to it. > # > #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). > # > #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want > #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. > # > #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? > # > #Jeff DeWitt > > Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant > producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170, > Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc. > > Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and > likewise, be the same color and not be compatable. > > Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL > are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards. > Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable. > > As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no > orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL. > But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled > ethylene glycol and Ford does not? > > /herb |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Heh, I count three basic types of coolant, IAT, OAT and HOAT, plus the
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types". This is a pretty chart. http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita. Saludos y buena suerte, Earle "Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net... > In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: > #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price > #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as > #long as you didn't let critters get to it. > # > #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). > # > #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want > #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. > # > #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? > # > #Jeff DeWitt > > Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant > producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170, > Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc. > > Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and > likewise, be the same color and not be compatable. > > Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL > are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards. > Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable. > > As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no > orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL. > But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled > ethylene glycol and Ford does not? > > /herb |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Heh, I count three basic types of coolant, IAT, OAT and HOAT, plus the
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types". This is a pretty chart. http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita. Saludos y buena suerte, Earle "Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net... > In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: > #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price > #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as > #long as you didn't let critters get to it. > # > #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). > # > #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want > #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. > # > #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? > # > #Jeff DeWitt > > Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant > producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170, > Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc. > > Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and > likewise, be the same color and not be compatable. > > Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL > are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards. > Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable. > > As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no > orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL. > But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled > ethylene glycol and Ford does not? > > /herb |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Heh, I count three basic types of coolant, IAT, OAT and HOAT, plus the
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types". This is a pretty chart. http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita. Saludos y buena suerte, Earle "Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net... > In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: > #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price > #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as > #long as you didn't let critters get to it. > # > #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well). > # > #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want > #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers. > # > #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days? > # > #Jeff DeWitt > > Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant > producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170, > Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc. > > Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and > likewise, be the same color and not be compatable. > > Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL > are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards. > Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable. > > As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no > orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL. > But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled > ethylene glycol and Ford does not? > > /herb |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
> I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> (quartz). > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach. > > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates: I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid silicates. Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but that's what their engineer said. |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
> I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> (quartz). > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach. > > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates: I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid silicates. Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but that's what their engineer said. |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
> I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> (quartz). > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach. > > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates: I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid silicates. Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but that's what their engineer said. |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
> I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> (quartz). > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach. > > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates: I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid silicates. Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but that's what their engineer said. |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5begjfF2skaseU1@mid.individual.net... > > I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica" > > (quartz). > > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach. > > > > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates: > > I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to > avoid silicates. > Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's > wrong but that's what their engineer said. > More than you ever wanted to know, unless you are a geologist that is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like quartz. Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as far as I know. The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue. Cheers, Earle |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5begjfF2skaseU1@mid.individual.net... > > I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica" > > (quartz). > > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach. > > > > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates: > > I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to > avoid silicates. > Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's > wrong but that's what their engineer said. > More than you ever wanted to know, unless you are a geologist that is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like quartz. Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as far as I know. The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue. Cheers, Earle |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5begjfF2skaseU1@mid.individual.net... > > I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica" > > (quartz). > > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach. > > > > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates: > > I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to > avoid silicates. > Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's > wrong but that's what their engineer said. > More than you ever wanted to know, unless you are a geologist that is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like quartz. Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as far as I know. The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue. Cheers, Earle |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5begjfF2skaseU1@mid.individual.net... > > I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica" > > (quartz). > > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach. > > > > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates: > > I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to > avoid silicates. > Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's > wrong but that's what their engineer said. > More than you ever wanted to know, unless you are a geologist that is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like quartz. Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as far as I know. The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue. Cheers, Earle |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Stupendous Man writes:
> Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's > wrong but that's what their engineer said. The only silicate I know of in antifreeze is sodium silicate (water glass), which inhibits corrosion of aluminum. Same as in automatic dishwasher detergent. Nothing like quartz. |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Stupendous Man writes:
> Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's > wrong but that's what their engineer said. The only silicate I know of in antifreeze is sodium silicate (water glass), which inhibits corrosion of aluminum. Same as in automatic dishwasher detergent. Nothing like quartz. |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Stupendous Man writes:
> Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's > wrong but that's what their engineer said. The only silicate I know of in antifreeze is sodium silicate (water glass), which inhibits corrosion of aluminum. Same as in automatic dishwasher detergent. Nothing like quartz. |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Stupendous Man writes:
> Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's > wrong but that's what their engineer said. The only silicate I know of in antifreeze is sodium silicate (water glass), which inhibits corrosion of aluminum. Same as in automatic dishwasher detergent. Nothing like quartz. |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like >quartz. Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... Dan >Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about >what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had >quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as >far as I know. > >The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for >pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps >you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda >Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue. > >Cheers, > >Earle > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like >quartz. Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... Dan >Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about >what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had >quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as >far as I know. > >The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for >pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps >you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda >Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue. > >Cheers, > >Earle > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like >quartz. Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... Dan >Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about >what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had >quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as >far as I know. > >The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for >pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps >you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda >Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue. > >Cheers, > >Earle > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like >quartz. Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... Dan >Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about >what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had >quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as >far as I know. > >The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for >pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps >you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda >Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue. > >Cheers, > >Earle > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7mq453t71s98na7i9kfr7j4jit9nm7he57@4ax.com... > On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton" > <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: > > >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message > > > >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There > >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like > >quartz. > > Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. > Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... "Rock: aggregation of solid matter composed of one or more of the minerals forming the earth's crust" http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/rock.html Quartz is a mineral, that can be formed into rocks. Most people wouldn't pay any attention to the difference, if there is one. Besides, if you look closely, I wasn't saying that quartz is a rock, only that it is hard. Earle |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7mq453t71s98na7i9kfr7j4jit9nm7he57@4ax.com... > On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton" > <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: > > >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message > > > >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There > >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like > >quartz. > > Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. > Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... "Rock: aggregation of solid matter composed of one or more of the minerals forming the earth's crust" http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/rock.html Quartz is a mineral, that can be formed into rocks. Most people wouldn't pay any attention to the difference, if there is one. Besides, if you look closely, I wasn't saying that quartz is a rock, only that it is hard. Earle |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7mq453t71s98na7i9kfr7j4jit9nm7he57@4ax.com... > On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton" > <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: > > >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message > > > >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There > >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like > >quartz. > > Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. > Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... "Rock: aggregation of solid matter composed of one or more of the minerals forming the earth's crust" http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/rock.html Quartz is a mineral, that can be formed into rocks. Most people wouldn't pay any attention to the difference, if there is one. Besides, if you look closely, I wasn't saying that quartz is a rock, only that it is hard. Earle |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7mq453t71s98na7i9kfr7j4jit9nm7he57@4ax.com... > On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton" > <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: > > >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message > > > >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There > >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like > >quartz. > > Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. > Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... "Rock: aggregation of solid matter composed of one or more of the minerals forming the earth's crust" http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/rock.html Quartz is a mineral, that can be formed into rocks. Most people wouldn't pay any attention to the difference, if there is one. Besides, if you look closely, I wasn't saying that quartz is a rock, only that it is hard. Earle |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
On Tue, 22 May 2007 09:33:34 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message >news:7mq453t71s98na7i9kfr7j4jit9nm7he57@4ax.com.. . >> On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton" >> <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >> >> >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There >> >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like >> >quartz. >> >> Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. >> Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... > >"Rock: aggregation of solid matter composed of one or more of the minerals >forming the earth's crust" > >http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/rock.html > >Quartz is a mineral, that can be formed into rocks. Most people wouldn't >pay any attention to the difference, if there is one. Besides, if you look >closely, I wasn't saying that quartz is a rock, only that it is hard. Yep, you're right, I just noticed. Quartz hardness=8.0, making it the hardest common mineral. A mobile mass of petrified matter agglomerates no bryophytes. ;) Back to the subject-my Jeep has driven over a lot of quartz. Dan > >Earle > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
On Tue, 22 May 2007 09:33:34 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message >news:7mq453t71s98na7i9kfr7j4jit9nm7he57@4ax.com.. . >> On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton" >> <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >> >> >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There >> >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like >> >quartz. >> >> Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. >> Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... > >"Rock: aggregation of solid matter composed of one or more of the minerals >forming the earth's crust" > >http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/rock.html > >Quartz is a mineral, that can be formed into rocks. Most people wouldn't >pay any attention to the difference, if there is one. Besides, if you look >closely, I wasn't saying that quartz is a rock, only that it is hard. Yep, you're right, I just noticed. Quartz hardness=8.0, making it the hardest common mineral. A mobile mass of petrified matter agglomerates no bryophytes. ;) Back to the subject-my Jeep has driven over a lot of quartz. Dan > >Earle > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
On Tue, 22 May 2007 09:33:34 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message >news:7mq453t71s98na7i9kfr7j4jit9nm7he57@4ax.com.. . >> On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton" >> <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >> >> >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There >> >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like >> >quartz. >> >> Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. >> Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... > >"Rock: aggregation of solid matter composed of one or more of the minerals >forming the earth's crust" > >http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/rock.html > >Quartz is a mineral, that can be formed into rocks. Most people wouldn't >pay any attention to the difference, if there is one. Besides, if you look >closely, I wasn't saying that quartz is a rock, only that it is hard. Yep, you're right, I just noticed. Quartz hardness=8.0, making it the hardest common mineral. A mobile mass of petrified matter agglomerates no bryophytes. ;) Back to the subject-my Jeep has driven over a lot of quartz. Dan > >Earle > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
On Tue, 22 May 2007 09:33:34 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message >news:7mq453t71s98na7i9kfr7j4jit9nm7he57@4ax.com.. . >> On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:35:25 -0600, "Earle Horton" >> <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote: >> >> >"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There >> >are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like >> >quartz. >> >> Oops-just to get picky :>, quartz is not a rock, it's is a mineral. >> Sorry, but this old science teacher just couldn't resist.... > >"Rock: aggregation of solid matter composed of one or more of the minerals >forming the earth's crust" > >http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/rock.html > >Quartz is a mineral, that can be formed into rocks. Most people wouldn't >pay any attention to the difference, if there is one. Besides, if you look >closely, I wasn't saying that quartz is a rock, only that it is hard. Yep, you're right, I just noticed. Quartz hardness=8.0, making it the hardest common mineral. A mobile mass of petrified matter agglomerates no bryophytes. ;) Back to the subject-my Jeep has driven over a lot of quartz. Dan > >Earle > |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> "Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message > news:Xns993312BF7E877someconundrum@216.196.97.131. .. > >>Stupendous Man writes: >> >> >>>silicates (powdered quartz) >> >>So, professor, you're saying that this product contains powdered quartz? > > > More like chalk. When I was a kid they caught a dairy near me putting it in > milk, so it can't be that bad, heh. You had silicate chalk? We just good old carbonate chalk when I went to school. |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> "Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message > news:Xns993312BF7E877someconundrum@216.196.97.131. .. > >>Stupendous Man writes: >> >> >>>silicates (powdered quartz) >> >>So, professor, you're saying that this product contains powdered quartz? > > > More like chalk. When I was a kid they caught a dairy near me putting it in > milk, so it can't be that bad, heh. You had silicate chalk? We just good old carbonate chalk when I went to school. |
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> "Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message > news:Xns993312BF7E877someconundrum@216.196.97.131. .. > >>Stupendous Man writes: >> >> >>>silicates (powdered quartz) >> >>So, professor, you're saying that this product contains powdered quartz? > > > More like chalk. When I was a kid they caught a dairy near me putting it in > milk, so it can't be that bad, heh. You had silicate chalk? We just good old carbonate chalk when I went to school. |
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