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Death wobble
OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical
knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. Any ideas where I should start looking? |
Re: Death wobble
DW needs something to trigger it (RR tracks or out of balance tires)
something to let it continue (steering stabilizer shot or loose ball joints) and something underlying (bad alignment) First off, make sure your tires are round and balanced, not damaged and freshly rotated. Take it to a good alignment shop and have them check for loose balljoints, tie rod ends, suspension arm bushings, wheel bearings, etc. Have then check that the toe and caster are correct. For 33" tires the toe needs to be on the lower (smaller number) side of spec. The caster also needs to be on the lower end of spec. If all that checks out, put a new steering stabilizer on it. Don't dwadle, DW is nothing to mess with. my02tj@gmail.com wrote: > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > Any ideas where I should start looking? > |
Re: Death wobble
DW needs something to trigger it (RR tracks or out of balance tires)
something to let it continue (steering stabilizer shot or loose ball joints) and something underlying (bad alignment) First off, make sure your tires are round and balanced, not damaged and freshly rotated. Take it to a good alignment shop and have them check for loose balljoints, tie rod ends, suspension arm bushings, wheel bearings, etc. Have then check that the toe and caster are correct. For 33" tires the toe needs to be on the lower (smaller number) side of spec. The caster also needs to be on the lower end of spec. If all that checks out, put a new steering stabilizer on it. Don't dwadle, DW is nothing to mess with. my02tj@gmail.com wrote: > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > Any ideas where I should start looking? > |
Re: Death wobble
DW needs something to trigger it (RR tracks or out of balance tires)
something to let it continue (steering stabilizer shot or loose ball joints) and something underlying (bad alignment) First off, make sure your tires are round and balanced, not damaged and freshly rotated. Take it to a good alignment shop and have them check for loose balljoints, tie rod ends, suspension arm bushings, wheel bearings, etc. Have then check that the toe and caster are correct. For 33" tires the toe needs to be on the lower (smaller number) side of spec. The caster also needs to be on the lower end of spec. If all that checks out, put a new steering stabilizer on it. Don't dwadle, DW is nothing to mess with. my02tj@gmail.com wrote: > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > Any ideas where I should start looking? > |
Re: Death wobble
I vote for replacing the stabilizer right away. Besides being dangerous
every time it happens, if you don't have loose ball joints now you will have them soon. Earle <my02tj@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1147352531.086549.220560@y43g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > Any ideas where I should start looking? > |
Re: Death wobble
I vote for replacing the stabilizer right away. Besides being dangerous
every time it happens, if you don't have loose ball joints now you will have them soon. Earle <my02tj@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1147352531.086549.220560@y43g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > Any ideas where I should start looking? > |
Re: Death wobble
I vote for replacing the stabilizer right away. Besides being dangerous
every time it happens, if you don't have loose ball joints now you will have them soon. Earle <my02tj@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1147352531.086549.220560@y43g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > Any ideas where I should start looking? > |
Re: Death wobble
And be aware that while individual parts may still be 'within specs' when
you have lots of worn front end parts it all adds up. "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message news:4463449d$0$23711$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >I vote for replacing the stabilizer right away. Besides being dangerous > every time it happens, if you don't have loose ball joints now you will > have > them soon. > > Earle > > <my02tj@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1147352531.086549.220560@y43g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... >> OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical >> knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... >> >> I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering >> stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr >> tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back >> and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at >> higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively >> been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 >> mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of >> scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. >> >> Any ideas where I should start looking? >> > > |
Re: Death wobble
And be aware that while individual parts may still be 'within specs' when
you have lots of worn front end parts it all adds up. "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message news:4463449d$0$23711$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >I vote for replacing the stabilizer right away. Besides being dangerous > every time it happens, if you don't have loose ball joints now you will > have > them soon. > > Earle > > <my02tj@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1147352531.086549.220560@y43g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... >> OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical >> knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... >> >> I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering >> stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr >> tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back >> and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at >> higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively >> been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 >> mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of >> scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. >> >> Any ideas where I should start looking? >> > > |
Re: Death wobble
And be aware that while individual parts may still be 'within specs' when
you have lots of worn front end parts it all adds up. "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message news:4463449d$0$23711$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >I vote for replacing the stabilizer right away. Besides being dangerous > every time it happens, if you don't have loose ball joints now you will > have > them soon. > > Earle > > <my02tj@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1147352531.086549.220560@y43g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... >> OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical >> knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... >> >> I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering >> stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr >> tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back >> and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at >> higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively >> been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 >> mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of >> scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. >> >> Any ideas where I should start looking? >> > > |
Re: Death wobble
What is a 'LJ' ?
That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: > > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > Any ideas where I should start looking? |
Re: Death wobble
What is a 'LJ' ?
That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: > > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > Any ideas where I should start looking? |
Re: Death wobble
What is a 'LJ' ?
That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: > > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > Any ideas where I should start looking? |
Re: Death wobble
LJ is a TJ unlimited, I think. I'll second the balance, rotate, and
really REALLY check the whole front end out. Carl Mike Romain wrote: > What is a 'LJ' ? > > That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly > done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have > wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. > > The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: > > > > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > > > Any ideas where I should start looking? |
Re: Death wobble
LJ is a TJ unlimited, I think. I'll second the balance, rotate, and
really REALLY check the whole front end out. Carl Mike Romain wrote: > What is a 'LJ' ? > > That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly > done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have > wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. > > The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: > > > > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > > > Any ideas where I should start looking? |
Re: Death wobble
LJ is a TJ unlimited, I think. I'll second the balance, rotate, and
really REALLY check the whole front end out. Carl Mike Romain wrote: > What is a 'LJ' ? > > That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly > done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have > wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. > > The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: > > > > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical > > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... > > > > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering > > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr > > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back > > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at > > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively > > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 > > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of > > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. > > > > Any ideas where I should start looking? |
Re: Death wobble
I had death wobble going on for some time...mine was caused by bad trac bar
bushing at the lower end of the trac bar... Get a BDS stabilizer shock...the sell for $50. in Canada and prolly cheaper in the states... Jeff '03 TJ 5"lift and 33's <CarlSaiyed@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1147366621.936677.134850@v46g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com... > LJ is a TJ unlimited, I think. I'll second the balance, rotate, and > really REALLY check the whole front end out. > > Carl > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> What is a 'LJ' ? >> >> That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly >> done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have >> wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. >> >> The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: >> > >> > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical >> > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... >> > >> > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering >> > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr >> > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back >> > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at >> > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively >> > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 >> > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of >> > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. >> > >> > Any ideas where I should start looking? > |
Re: Death wobble
I had death wobble going on for some time...mine was caused by bad trac bar
bushing at the lower end of the trac bar... Get a BDS stabilizer shock...the sell for $50. in Canada and prolly cheaper in the states... Jeff '03 TJ 5"lift and 33's <CarlSaiyed@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1147366621.936677.134850@v46g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com... > LJ is a TJ unlimited, I think. I'll second the balance, rotate, and > really REALLY check the whole front end out. > > Carl > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> What is a 'LJ' ? >> >> That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly >> done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have >> wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. >> >> The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: >> > >> > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical >> > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... >> > >> > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering >> > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr >> > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back >> > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at >> > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively >> > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 >> > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of >> > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. >> > >> > Any ideas where I should start looking? > |
Re: Death wobble
I had death wobble going on for some time...mine was caused by bad trac bar
bushing at the lower end of the trac bar... Get a BDS stabilizer shock...the sell for $50. in Canada and prolly cheaper in the states... Jeff '03 TJ 5"lift and 33's <CarlSaiyed@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1147366621.936677.134850@v46g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com... > LJ is a TJ unlimited, I think. I'll second the balance, rotate, and > really REALLY check the whole front end out. > > Carl > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> What is a 'LJ' ? >> >> That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly >> done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have >> wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. >> >> The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: >> > >> > OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical >> > knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... >> > >> > I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering >> > stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr >> > tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back >> > and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at >> > higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively >> > been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 >> > mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of >> > scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. >> > >> > Any ideas where I should start looking? > |
Re: Death wobble
I'm guessing it's a TJL, Unlimtited Wrangler. An '04 would have to be driven
VERY hard to get those kind of wear issues, I'm guessing the alignment wasn't set up after the lift. He should take out the dropped pitman arm too, if there is one. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4463667A.CC9AD24@sympatico.ca... > What is a 'LJ' ? > > That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly > done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have > wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. > > The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: >> >> OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical >> knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... >> >> I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering >> stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr >> tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back >> and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at >> higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively >> been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 >> mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of >> scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. >> >> Any ideas where I should start looking? |
Re: Death wobble
I'm guessing it's a TJL, Unlimtited Wrangler. An '04 would have to be driven
VERY hard to get those kind of wear issues, I'm guessing the alignment wasn't set up after the lift. He should take out the dropped pitman arm too, if there is one. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4463667A.CC9AD24@sympatico.ca... > What is a 'LJ' ? > > That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly > done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have > wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. > > The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: >> >> OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical >> knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... >> >> I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering >> stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr >> tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back >> and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at >> higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively >> been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 >> mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of >> scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. >> >> Any ideas where I should start looking? |
Re: Death wobble
I'm guessing it's a TJL, Unlimtited Wrangler. An '04 would have to be driven
VERY hard to get those kind of wear issues, I'm guessing the alignment wasn't set up after the lift. He should take out the dropped pitman arm too, if there is one. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4463667A.CC9AD24@sympatico.ca... > What is a 'LJ' ? > > That aside, you sound like you have a badly worn out part or a badly > done lift. If the castor didn't get set right on the lift, you can have > wobble issues. With 33's on, these 'fast' turn into worn out parts. > > The stabilizer is there for shock absorbing, it won't cure death wobble. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > "my02tj@gmail.com" wrote: >> >> OK, so i will start out by stating I have limited to no mechanical >> knowledge, and i'm looking for a place to start looking... >> >> I've got an 04 LJ with a BDS 3" lift running 33's (stock steering >> stabilizer), and recently it seems every time I go over a bump or rr >> tracks (driving 25-50mph) my LJ gets to shaking/rocking/vibrating back >> and forth. At first (like 1.5 months ago) it was only happening at >> higher speeds, and braking/slowing would stop it. It has progressively >> been getting worse to the point where I can run over rr tracks at 25 >> mph and braking does't help and I have to just ride it out. Kind of >> scary especially with my 18 mo old daughter in the Jeep with me. >> >> Any ideas where I should start looking? |
Re: Death wobble
Just a thought..... would it be possible to get a death wobble
from a leaky and very old steering box? I know that it's not the case here with a 04 TJ, but I have a stock 97TJ with 250,000mi and was wondering if this could also be one of the causes (play in the steering box), besides the usual worn joints??? |
Re: Death wobble
Just a thought..... would it be possible to get a death wobble
from a leaky and very old steering box? I know that it's not the case here with a 04 TJ, but I have a stock 97TJ with 250,000mi and was wondering if this could also be one of the causes (play in the steering box), besides the usual worn joints??? |
Re: Death wobble
Just a thought..... would it be possible to get a death wobble
from a leaky and very old steering box? I know that it's not the case here with a 04 TJ, but I have a stock 97TJ with 250,000mi and was wondering if this could also be one of the causes (play in the steering box), besides the usual worn joints??? |
Re: Death wobble
Not really. That would just make the vehicle 'tack' into the wind as
you drive so you need to always have the wheel cut at an angle. The steering box play is on the wrong side of the steering damper shock for it to cause death wobble. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) mrbogus@eim.ae wrote: > > Just a thought..... would it be possible to get a death wobble > from a leaky and very old steering box? I know that it's not the case > here with a 04 TJ, but I have a stock 97TJ with 250,000mi and was > wondering if this could also be one of the causes (play in the steering > box), besides the usual worn joints??? |
Re: Death wobble
Not really. That would just make the vehicle 'tack' into the wind as
you drive so you need to always have the wheel cut at an angle. The steering box play is on the wrong side of the steering damper shock for it to cause death wobble. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) mrbogus@eim.ae wrote: > > Just a thought..... would it be possible to get a death wobble > from a leaky and very old steering box? I know that it's not the case > here with a 04 TJ, but I have a stock 97TJ with 250,000mi and was > wondering if this could also be one of the causes (play in the steering > box), besides the usual worn joints??? |
Re: Death wobble
Not really. That would just make the vehicle 'tack' into the wind as
you drive so you need to always have the wheel cut at an angle. The steering box play is on the wrong side of the steering damper shock for it to cause death wobble. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) mrbogus@eim.ae wrote: > > Just a thought..... would it be possible to get a death wobble > from a leaky and very old steering box? I know that it's not the case > here with a 04 TJ, but I have a stock 97TJ with 250,000mi and was > wondering if this could also be one of the causes (play in the steering > box), besides the usual worn joints??? |
Re: Death wobble
I, too, have an '04, as stock as the day I bought it - no lift, Goodyea Wranglers, etc. I had a very severe wobble last week, twice in a mil at around 60mph. Had to pull over and stop to "correct" it. Thes were my 4th and 5th experiences. I've had the thing aligned, I rotat the tires regularly, I've had the wheels checked for play. I'm puttin Nokians on it today and I'm going to take it to the dealer to see abou the steering shocks. I have complained about it to the dealer but think they're clueless, or pretending to be, at least. I had less tha 20k on it when it first occurred. It has about 40k now -- rogerw ----- Posted via http://www.wranglergear.co |
Re: Death wobble
I, too, have an '04, as stock as the day I bought it - no lift, Goodyea Wranglers, etc. I had a very severe wobble last week, twice in a mil at around 60mph. Had to pull over and stop to "correct" it. Thes were my 4th and 5th experiences. I've had the thing aligned, I rotat the tires regularly, I've had the wheels checked for play. I'm puttin Nokians on it today and I'm going to take it to the dealer to see abou the steering shocks. I have complained about it to the dealer but think they're clueless, or pretending to be, at least. I had less tha 20k on it when it first occurred. It has about 40k now -- rogerw ----- Posted via http://www.wranglergear.co |
Re: Death wobble
I, too, have an '04, as stock as the day I bought it - no lift, Goodyea Wranglers, etc. I had a very severe wobble last week, twice in a mil at around 60mph. Had to pull over and stop to "correct" it. Thes were my 4th and 5th experiences. I've had the thing aligned, I rotat the tires regularly, I've had the wheels checked for play. I'm puttin Nokians on it today and I'm going to take it to the dealer to see abou the steering shocks. I have complained about it to the dealer but think they're clueless, or pretending to be, at least. I had less tha 20k on it when it first occurred. It has about 40k now -- rogerw ----- Posted via http://www.wranglergear.co |
Re: Death wobble
Some part has to physically be worn or bent to cause that. The steering
stabilizer replacement will not cure it, only mask the worn part until it breaks. If you had a bent rim or a separated tire belt, it would happen every time you passed a certain speed usually. You can jack up one tire at a time and shake and twist them to see if you have a bad wheel bearing and be under when someone turns the steering from pin to pin to look for movement in any of the joints or tie rod ends. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) rogerwl wrote: > > I, too, have an '04, as stock as the day I bought it - no lift, Goodyear > Wranglers, etc. I had a very severe wobble last week, twice in a mile > at around 60mph. Had to pull over and stop to "correct" it. These > were my 4th and 5th experiences. I've had the thing aligned, I rotate > the tires regularly, I've had the wheels checked for play. I'm putting > Nokians on it today and I'm going to take it to the dealer to see about > the steering shocks. I have complained about it to the dealer but I > think they're clueless, or pretending to be, at least. I had less than > 20k on it when it first occurred. It has about 40k now. > > -- > rogerwl > ----- Posted via http://www.wranglergear.com |
Re: Death wobble
Some part has to physically be worn or bent to cause that. The steering
stabilizer replacement will not cure it, only mask the worn part until it breaks. If you had a bent rim or a separated tire belt, it would happen every time you passed a certain speed usually. You can jack up one tire at a time and shake and twist them to see if you have a bad wheel bearing and be under when someone turns the steering from pin to pin to look for movement in any of the joints or tie rod ends. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) rogerwl wrote: > > I, too, have an '04, as stock as the day I bought it - no lift, Goodyear > Wranglers, etc. I had a very severe wobble last week, twice in a mile > at around 60mph. Had to pull over and stop to "correct" it. These > were my 4th and 5th experiences. I've had the thing aligned, I rotate > the tires regularly, I've had the wheels checked for play. I'm putting > Nokians on it today and I'm going to take it to the dealer to see about > the steering shocks. I have complained about it to the dealer but I > think they're clueless, or pretending to be, at least. I had less than > 20k on it when it first occurred. It has about 40k now. > > -- > rogerwl > ----- Posted via http://www.wranglergear.com |
Re: Death wobble
Some part has to physically be worn or bent to cause that. The steering
stabilizer replacement will not cure it, only mask the worn part until it breaks. If you had a bent rim or a separated tire belt, it would happen every time you passed a certain speed usually. You can jack up one tire at a time and shake and twist them to see if you have a bad wheel bearing and be under when someone turns the steering from pin to pin to look for movement in any of the joints or tie rod ends. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) rogerwl wrote: > > I, too, have an '04, as stock as the day I bought it - no lift, Goodyear > Wranglers, etc. I had a very severe wobble last week, twice in a mile > at around 60mph. Had to pull over and stop to "correct" it. These > were my 4th and 5th experiences. I've had the thing aligned, I rotate > the tires regularly, I've had the wheels checked for play. I'm putting > Nokians on it today and I'm going to take it to the dealer to see about > the steering shocks. I have complained about it to the dealer but I > think they're clueless, or pretending to be, at least. I had less than > 20k on it when it first occurred. It has about 40k now. > > -- > rogerwl > ----- Posted via http://www.wranglergear.com |
Re: Death wobble
On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:55:01 GMT, rogerwl
<rogerwl.287xdn@no-mx-wranglergear.com.x> wrote: > >I, too, have an '04, as stock as the day I bought it - no lift, Goodyear >Wranglers, etc. I had a very severe wobble last week, twice in a mile >at around 60mph. Had to pull over and stop to "correct" it. These >were my 4th and 5th experiences. I've had the thing aligned, I rotate >the tires regularly, I've had the wheels checked for play. I'm putting >Nokians on it today and I'm going to take it to the dealer to see about >the steering shocks. I have complained about it to the dealer but I >think they're clueless, or pretending to be, at least. I had less than >20k on it when it first occurred. It has about 40k now. Steering looseness in a Jeep often means steering components. People attack the easy stuff first, like the steering stabilizer and tires, but when it is severe you probably have a problem in the track bar, drag link and/or tie rod ends. In my case it was all three. New tires, steering stabilizer and alignment did absolutely nothing to stop the severe death wobble. Replacing all the parts mentioned completely stopped it. ---- |
Re: Death wobble
On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:55:01 GMT, rogerwl
<rogerwl.287xdn@no-mx-wranglergear.com.x> wrote: > >I, too, have an '04, as stock as the day I bought it - no lift, Goodyear >Wranglers, etc. I had a very severe wobble last week, twice in a mile >at around 60mph. Had to pull over and stop to "correct" it. These >were my 4th and 5th experiences. I've had the thing aligned, I rotate >the tires regularly, I've had the wheels checked for play. I'm putting >Nokians on it today and I'm going to take it to the dealer to see about >the steering shocks. I have complained about it to the dealer but I >think they're clueless, or pretending to be, at least. I had less than >20k on it when it first occurred. It has about 40k now. Steering looseness in a Jeep often means steering components. People attack the easy stuff first, like the steering stabilizer and tires, but when it is severe you probably have a problem in the track bar, drag link and/or tie rod ends. In my case it was all three. New tires, steering stabilizer and alignment did absolutely nothing to stop the severe death wobble. Replacing all the parts mentioned completely stopped it. ---- |
Re: Death wobble
On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:55:01 GMT, rogerwl
<rogerwl.287xdn@no-mx-wranglergear.com.x> wrote: > >I, too, have an '04, as stock as the day I bought it - no lift, Goodyear >Wranglers, etc. I had a very severe wobble last week, twice in a mile >at around 60mph. Had to pull over and stop to "correct" it. These >were my 4th and 5th experiences. I've had the thing aligned, I rotate >the tires regularly, I've had the wheels checked for play. I'm putting >Nokians on it today and I'm going to take it to the dealer to see about >the steering shocks. I have complained about it to the dealer but I >think they're clueless, or pretending to be, at least. I had less than >20k on it when it first occurred. It has about 40k now. Steering looseness in a Jeep often means steering components. People attack the easy stuff first, like the steering stabilizer and tires, but when it is severe you probably have a problem in the track bar, drag link and/or tie rod ends. In my case it was all three. New tires, steering stabilizer and alignment did absolutely nothing to stop the severe death wobble. Replacing all the parts mentioned completely stopped it. ---- |
Re: Death wobble
mrbogus did pass the time by typing:
> Just a thought..... would it be possible to get a death wobble > from a leaky and very old steering box? I know that it's not the case > here with a 04 TJ, but I have a stock 97TJ with 250,000mi and was > wondering if this could also be one of the causes (play in the steering > box), besides the usual worn joints??? Play in the steering, just like going over bumps in the road, can start deathwobble. But what allows deathwobble to happen is the suspension. Worn bushings, shocks, ball joints, and loose stablilzer bar. Or having the front end out of alignment. -- DougW |
Re: Death wobble
mrbogus did pass the time by typing:
> Just a thought..... would it be possible to get a death wobble > from a leaky and very old steering box? I know that it's not the case > here with a 04 TJ, but I have a stock 97TJ with 250,000mi and was > wondering if this could also be one of the causes (play in the steering > box), besides the usual worn joints??? Play in the steering, just like going over bumps in the road, can start deathwobble. But what allows deathwobble to happen is the suspension. Worn bushings, shocks, ball joints, and loose stablilzer bar. Or having the front end out of alignment. -- DougW |
Re: Death wobble
mrbogus did pass the time by typing:
> Just a thought..... would it be possible to get a death wobble > from a leaky and very old steering box? I know that it's not the case > here with a 04 TJ, but I have a stock 97TJ with 250,000mi and was > wondering if this could also be one of the causes (play in the steering > box), besides the usual worn joints??? Play in the steering, just like going over bumps in the road, can start deathwobble. But what allows deathwobble to happen is the suspension. Worn bushings, shocks, ball joints, and loose stablilzer bar. Or having the front end out of alignment. -- DougW |
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