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mtroxler 10-29-2006 09:36 PM

death by liberty
 
WARNING-DEATH BY JEEEP LIBERTY. Coming Out of Gear. PLEASE, If anyone
has experienced a similar problem please contact me
rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com
I pulled in front of my in laws house. Put my jeep in park unbuckled my
seat belt, and leaned into back seat and adjusted my baby's head
because she had fallen asleep in route. I then exited my jeep walked in
front and around the jeep to the front door. I stood there a few
minutes talking to my mom in law. I then saw my jeep DRIVING AWAY by
its self!
It just took off. No one was even near it. In turn, I ran after it. It
hit a flower bed which made turn and go down a 30ft incline into a
freezing pond. I jumped in and swam out to her my father in law heard
me screaming. He swam out, we couldn't open the doors the speed had
picked up enough to make the automatic lock to lock! My baby was inside
drowning. The lock on the doors finally pop open. I give God the credit
{but some people say the electrical stuff got wet and it made it
unlock.} But then it was too late. The water pressure was to strong & I
couldn't open the door .My father in law was smart enough to pull
himself on top of the jeep causing it to tilt enough for me to open the
door. I almost drowned & so did my baby we all ended up in ICU but my
father in law DIED he had a massive heart attach in the water and died
helping to save my baby! When I got her out he was face down in the
water! I had NO choice but to try to swim back to the docks and save my
baby! Chrysler had a recall on 05 & 06 because of a misplaced part in
the transmission. Over 400,000 of them. Chrysler SAID it didn't
apply to 04's. I found out ALL transmissions for 03,04,05 &06 were
and are the same. They all were assembled from the same product line.
Chrysler even sent a their people across country to look at my jeep.
Why would they do that if the KNEW it only applied to 2005 & 2006??? I
know for a fact my car was in park that night! Something went wrong
with the jeep. My statue of limitations for court expires Jan. 07. My
time is running out to get justice for my mother in law! I am
desperately looking for someone who has had similar trouble with the
transmission. Please contact me & BE CAREFULL! PARENTS BEWARE JEEP
LIBERTYS CAN come out of gear when ignition is left running, ACCELERATE
AND DRIVE OFF BY ITSELF!!!


Jeffrey DeWitt 10-29-2006 10:36 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
There are enough of these beasts around, I think if there really was a
problem we would have heard about it by now (as we have with the ball
joint problem).

IF this story is true I suspect the author didn't really have the Jeep
in Park... and if it really is true my condolences... it's a very sad
story no matter who is at fault.

Jeff DeWitt

mtroxler wrote:
> WARNING-DEATH BY JEEEP LIBERTY. Coming Out of Gear. PLEASE, If anyone
> has experienced a similar problem please contact me
> rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com
> I pulled in front of my in laws house. Put my jeep in park unbuckled my
> seat belt, and leaned into back seat and adjusted my baby's head
> because she had fallen asleep in route. I then exited my jeep walked in
> front and around the jeep to the front door. I stood there a few
> minutes talking to my mom in law. I then saw my jeep DRIVING AWAY by
> its self!
> It just took off. No one was even near it. In turn, I ran after it. It
> hit a flower bed which made turn and go down a 30ft incline into a
> freezing pond. I jumped in and swam out to her my father in law heard
> me screaming. He swam out, we couldn't open the doors the speed had
> picked up enough to make the automatic lock to lock! My baby was inside
> drowning. The lock on the doors finally pop open. I give God the credit
> {but some people say the electrical stuff got wet and it made it
> unlock.} But then it was too late. The water pressure was to strong & I
> couldn't open the door .My father in law was smart enough to pull
> himself on top of the jeep causing it to tilt enough for me to open the
> door. I almost drowned & so did my baby we all ended up in ICU but my
> father in law DIED he had a massive heart attach in the water and died
> helping to save my baby! When I got her out he was face down in the
> water! I had NO choice but to try to swim back to the docks and save my
> baby! Chrysler had a recall on 05 & 06 because of a misplaced part in
> the transmission. Over 400,000 of them. Chrysler SAID it didn't
> apply to 04's. I found out ALL transmissions for 03,04,05 &06 were
> and are the same. They all were assembled from the same product line.
> Chrysler even sent a their people across country to look at my jeep.
> Why would they do that if the KNEW it only applied to 2005 & 2006??? I
> know for a fact my car was in park that night! Something went wrong
> with the jeep. My statue of limitations for court expires Jan. 07. My
> time is running out to get justice for my mother in law! I am
> desperately looking for someone who has had similar trouble with the
> transmission. Please contact me & BE CAREFULL! PARENTS BEWARE JEEP
> LIBERTYS CAN come out of gear when ignition is left running, ACCELERATE
> AND DRIVE OFF BY ITSELF!!!
>


Jeffrey DeWitt 10-29-2006 10:36 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
There are enough of these beasts around, I think if there really was a
problem we would have heard about it by now (as we have with the ball
joint problem).

IF this story is true I suspect the author didn't really have the Jeep
in Park... and if it really is true my condolences... it's a very sad
story no matter who is at fault.

Jeff DeWitt

mtroxler wrote:
> WARNING-DEATH BY JEEEP LIBERTY. Coming Out of Gear. PLEASE, If anyone
> has experienced a similar problem please contact me
> rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com
> I pulled in front of my in laws house. Put my jeep in park unbuckled my
> seat belt, and leaned into back seat and adjusted my baby's head
> because she had fallen asleep in route. I then exited my jeep walked in
> front and around the jeep to the front door. I stood there a few
> minutes talking to my mom in law. I then saw my jeep DRIVING AWAY by
> its self!
> It just took off. No one was even near it. In turn, I ran after it. It
> hit a flower bed which made turn and go down a 30ft incline into a
> freezing pond. I jumped in and swam out to her my father in law heard
> me screaming. He swam out, we couldn't open the doors the speed had
> picked up enough to make the automatic lock to lock! My baby was inside
> drowning. The lock on the doors finally pop open. I give God the credit
> {but some people say the electrical stuff got wet and it made it
> unlock.} But then it was too late. The water pressure was to strong & I
> couldn't open the door .My father in law was smart enough to pull
> himself on top of the jeep causing it to tilt enough for me to open the
> door. I almost drowned & so did my baby we all ended up in ICU but my
> father in law DIED he had a massive heart attach in the water and died
> helping to save my baby! When I got her out he was face down in the
> water! I had NO choice but to try to swim back to the docks and save my
> baby! Chrysler had a recall on 05 & 06 because of a misplaced part in
> the transmission. Over 400,000 of them. Chrysler SAID it didn't
> apply to 04's. I found out ALL transmissions for 03,04,05 &06 were
> and are the same. They all were assembled from the same product line.
> Chrysler even sent a their people across country to look at my jeep.
> Why would they do that if the KNEW it only applied to 2005 & 2006??? I
> know for a fact my car was in park that night! Something went wrong
> with the jeep. My statue of limitations for court expires Jan. 07. My
> time is running out to get justice for my mother in law! I am
> desperately looking for someone who has had similar trouble with the
> transmission. Please contact me & BE CAREFULL! PARENTS BEWARE JEEP
> LIBERTYS CAN come out of gear when ignition is left running, ACCELERATE
> AND DRIVE OFF BY ITSELF!!!
>


Jeffrey DeWitt 10-29-2006 10:36 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
There are enough of these beasts around, I think if there really was a
problem we would have heard about it by now (as we have with the ball
joint problem).

IF this story is true I suspect the author didn't really have the Jeep
in Park... and if it really is true my condolences... it's a very sad
story no matter who is at fault.

Jeff DeWitt

mtroxler wrote:
> WARNING-DEATH BY JEEEP LIBERTY. Coming Out of Gear. PLEASE, If anyone
> has experienced a similar problem please contact me
> rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com
> I pulled in front of my in laws house. Put my jeep in park unbuckled my
> seat belt, and leaned into back seat and adjusted my baby's head
> because she had fallen asleep in route. I then exited my jeep walked in
> front and around the jeep to the front door. I stood there a few
> minutes talking to my mom in law. I then saw my jeep DRIVING AWAY by
> its self!
> It just took off. No one was even near it. In turn, I ran after it. It
> hit a flower bed which made turn and go down a 30ft incline into a
> freezing pond. I jumped in and swam out to her my father in law heard
> me screaming. He swam out, we couldn't open the doors the speed had
> picked up enough to make the automatic lock to lock! My baby was inside
> drowning. The lock on the doors finally pop open. I give God the credit
> {but some people say the electrical stuff got wet and it made it
> unlock.} But then it was too late. The water pressure was to strong & I
> couldn't open the door .My father in law was smart enough to pull
> himself on top of the jeep causing it to tilt enough for me to open the
> door. I almost drowned & so did my baby we all ended up in ICU but my
> father in law DIED he had a massive heart attach in the water and died
> helping to save my baby! When I got her out he was face down in the
> water! I had NO choice but to try to swim back to the docks and save my
> baby! Chrysler had a recall on 05 & 06 because of a misplaced part in
> the transmission. Over 400,000 of them. Chrysler SAID it didn't
> apply to 04's. I found out ALL transmissions for 03,04,05 &06 were
> and are the same. They all were assembled from the same product line.
> Chrysler even sent a their people across country to look at my jeep.
> Why would they do that if the KNEW it only applied to 2005 & 2006??? I
> know for a fact my car was in park that night! Something went wrong
> with the jeep. My statue of limitations for court expires Jan. 07. My
> time is running out to get justice for my mother in law! I am
> desperately looking for someone who has had similar trouble with the
> transmission. Please contact me & BE CAREFULL! PARENTS BEWARE JEEP
> LIBERTYS CAN come out of gear when ignition is left running, ACCELERATE
> AND DRIVE OFF BY ITSELF!!!
>


mabar 10-30-2006 08:58 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
The stupidity and lack of common sense I see on a regular basis never fails
to amaze me. I think the average person if they even ever think about
accidents like this, feel that "it won't happen to me."

I often see people get out of their vehicle "just for a minute," with the
engine running at the library, coffee shop, mail box, etc. Of course the
parking brake is almost never used. I've read multiple news stories over the
years about vehicles "slipping out of gear" where folks have been crushed
against a wall or run over by their unattended vehicle.

What is so difficult about turning off an ignition key, then re-starting the
engine when needed?

If for whatever reason, you feel must exit a vehicle with the engine
running, at least apply the parking brake HARD! Many times, the engine
power can easily overcome a normally applied parking brake, even at idle.

If I had a baby or child in the vehicle, I would ABSOLUTELY NEVER exit the
vehicle with the engine running. Just plain stupid!

Tom

"mtroxler" <rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1162175792.484559.63600@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> WARNING-DEATH BY JEEEP LIBERTY. Coming Out of Gear. PLEASE, If anyone
> has experienced a similar problem please contact me
> rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com
> I pulled in front of my in laws house. Put my jeep in park unbuckled my
> seat belt, and leaned into back seat and adjusted my baby's head
> because she had fallen asleep in route. I then exited my jeep walked in
> front and around the jeep to the front door. I stood there a few
> minutes talking to my mom in law. I then saw my jeep DRIVING AWAY by
> its self!
> It just took off. No one was even near it. In turn, I ran after it. It
> hit a flower bed which made turn and go down a 30ft incline into a
>

snip




mabar 10-30-2006 08:58 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
The stupidity and lack of common sense I see on a regular basis never fails
to amaze me. I think the average person if they even ever think about
accidents like this, feel that "it won't happen to me."

I often see people get out of their vehicle "just for a minute," with the
engine running at the library, coffee shop, mail box, etc. Of course the
parking brake is almost never used. I've read multiple news stories over the
years about vehicles "slipping out of gear" where folks have been crushed
against a wall or run over by their unattended vehicle.

What is so difficult about turning off an ignition key, then re-starting the
engine when needed?

If for whatever reason, you feel must exit a vehicle with the engine
running, at least apply the parking brake HARD! Many times, the engine
power can easily overcome a normally applied parking brake, even at idle.

If I had a baby or child in the vehicle, I would ABSOLUTELY NEVER exit the
vehicle with the engine running. Just plain stupid!

Tom

"mtroxler" <rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1162175792.484559.63600@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> WARNING-DEATH BY JEEEP LIBERTY. Coming Out of Gear. PLEASE, If anyone
> has experienced a similar problem please contact me
> rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com
> I pulled in front of my in laws house. Put my jeep in park unbuckled my
> seat belt, and leaned into back seat and adjusted my baby's head
> because she had fallen asleep in route. I then exited my jeep walked in
> front and around the jeep to the front door. I stood there a few
> minutes talking to my mom in law. I then saw my jeep DRIVING AWAY by
> its self!
> It just took off. No one was even near it. In turn, I ran after it. It
> hit a flower bed which made turn and go down a 30ft incline into a
>

snip




mabar 10-30-2006 08:58 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
The stupidity and lack of common sense I see on a regular basis never fails
to amaze me. I think the average person if they even ever think about
accidents like this, feel that "it won't happen to me."

I often see people get out of their vehicle "just for a minute," with the
engine running at the library, coffee shop, mail box, etc. Of course the
parking brake is almost never used. I've read multiple news stories over the
years about vehicles "slipping out of gear" where folks have been crushed
against a wall or run over by their unattended vehicle.

What is so difficult about turning off an ignition key, then re-starting the
engine when needed?

If for whatever reason, you feel must exit a vehicle with the engine
running, at least apply the parking brake HARD! Many times, the engine
power can easily overcome a normally applied parking brake, even at idle.

If I had a baby or child in the vehicle, I would ABSOLUTELY NEVER exit the
vehicle with the engine running. Just plain stupid!

Tom

"mtroxler" <rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1162175792.484559.63600@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> WARNING-DEATH BY JEEEP LIBERTY. Coming Out of Gear. PLEASE, If anyone
> has experienced a similar problem please contact me
> rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com
> I pulled in front of my in laws house. Put my jeep in park unbuckled my
> seat belt, and leaned into back seat and adjusted my baby's head
> because she had fallen asleep in route. I then exited my jeep walked in
> front and around the jeep to the front door. I stood there a few
> minutes talking to my mom in law. I then saw my jeep DRIVING AWAY by
> its self!
> It just took off. No one was even near it. In turn, I ran after it. It
> hit a flower bed which made turn and go down a 30ft incline into a
>

snip




Green Acres is the place to be 10-31-2006 03:38 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
mtroxler wrote:
> WARNING-DEATH BY JEEEP LIBERTY. Coming Out of Gear. PLEASE, If anyone
> has experienced a similar problem please contact me
> rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com
> I pulled in front of my in laws house. Put my jeep in park unbuckled
> my seat belt, and leaned into back seat and adjusted my baby's head
> because she had fallen asleep in route. I then exited my jeep walked
> in front and around the jeep to the front door. I stood there a few
> minutes talking to my mom in law. I then saw my jeep DRIVING AWAY by
> its self!
> It just took off. No one was even near it. In turn, I ran after it. It
> hit a flower bed which made turn and go down a 30ft incline into a
> freezing pond. I jumped in and swam out to her my father in law heard
> me screaming. He swam out, we couldn't open the doors the speed had
> picked up enough to make the automatic lock to lock! My baby was
> inside drowning. The lock on the doors finally pop open. I give God
> the credit {but some people say the electrical stuff got wet and it
> made it unlock.} But then it was too late. The water pressure was to
> strong & I couldn't open the door .My father in law was smart enough
> to pull himself on top of the jeep causing it to tilt enough for me
> to open the door. I almost drowned & so did my baby we all ended up
> in ICU but my father in law DIED he had a massive heart attach in the
> water and died helping to save my baby! When I got her out he was
> face down in the water! I had NO choice but to try to swim back to
> the docks and save my baby! Chrysler had a recall on 05 & 06 because
> of a misplaced part in the transmission. Over 400,000 of them.
> Chrysler SAID it didn't
> apply to 04's. I found out ALL transmissions for 03,04,05 &06 were
> and are the same. They all were assembled from the same product line.
> Chrysler even sent a their people across country to look at my jeep.
> Why would they do that if the KNEW it only applied to 2005 & 2006??? I
> know for a fact my car was in park that night! Something went wrong
> with the jeep. My statue of limitations for court expires Jan. 07. My
> time is running out to get justice for my mother in law! I am
> desperately looking for someone who has had similar trouble with the
> transmission. Please contact me & BE CAREFULL! PARENTS BEWARE JEEP
> LIBERTYS CAN come out of gear when ignition is left running,
> ACCELERATE AND DRIVE OFF BY ITSELF!!!



nice troll... best one I've seen this month



Green Acres is the place to be 10-31-2006 03:38 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
mtroxler wrote:
> WARNING-DEATH BY JEEEP LIBERTY. Coming Out of Gear. PLEASE, If anyone
> has experienced a similar problem please contact me
> rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com
> I pulled in front of my in laws house. Put my jeep in park unbuckled
> my seat belt, and leaned into back seat and adjusted my baby's head
> because she had fallen asleep in route. I then exited my jeep walked
> in front and around the jeep to the front door. I stood there a few
> minutes talking to my mom in law. I then saw my jeep DRIVING AWAY by
> its self!
> It just took off. No one was even near it. In turn, I ran after it. It
> hit a flower bed which made turn and go down a 30ft incline into a
> freezing pond. I jumped in and swam out to her my father in law heard
> me screaming. He swam out, we couldn't open the doors the speed had
> picked up enough to make the automatic lock to lock! My baby was
> inside drowning. The lock on the doors finally pop open. I give God
> the credit {but some people say the electrical stuff got wet and it
> made it unlock.} But then it was too late. The water pressure was to
> strong & I couldn't open the door .My father in law was smart enough
> to pull himself on top of the jeep causing it to tilt enough for me
> to open the door. I almost drowned & so did my baby we all ended up
> in ICU but my father in law DIED he had a massive heart attach in the
> water and died helping to save my baby! When I got her out he was
> face down in the water! I had NO choice but to try to swim back to
> the docks and save my baby! Chrysler had a recall on 05 & 06 because
> of a misplaced part in the transmission. Over 400,000 of them.
> Chrysler SAID it didn't
> apply to 04's. I found out ALL transmissions for 03,04,05 &06 were
> and are the same. They all were assembled from the same product line.
> Chrysler even sent a their people across country to look at my jeep.
> Why would they do that if the KNEW it only applied to 2005 & 2006??? I
> know for a fact my car was in park that night! Something went wrong
> with the jeep. My statue of limitations for court expires Jan. 07. My
> time is running out to get justice for my mother in law! I am
> desperately looking for someone who has had similar trouble with the
> transmission. Please contact me & BE CAREFULL! PARENTS BEWARE JEEP
> LIBERTYS CAN come out of gear when ignition is left running,
> ACCELERATE AND DRIVE OFF BY ITSELF!!!



nice troll... best one I've seen this month



Green Acres is the place to be 10-31-2006 03:38 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
mtroxler wrote:
> WARNING-DEATH BY JEEEP LIBERTY. Coming Out of Gear. PLEASE, If anyone
> has experienced a similar problem please contact me
> rockinghamcafe@yahoo.com
> I pulled in front of my in laws house. Put my jeep in park unbuckled
> my seat belt, and leaned into back seat and adjusted my baby's head
> because she had fallen asleep in route. I then exited my jeep walked
> in front and around the jeep to the front door. I stood there a few
> minutes talking to my mom in law. I then saw my jeep DRIVING AWAY by
> its self!
> It just took off. No one was even near it. In turn, I ran after it. It
> hit a flower bed which made turn and go down a 30ft incline into a
> freezing pond. I jumped in and swam out to her my father in law heard
> me screaming. He swam out, we couldn't open the doors the speed had
> picked up enough to make the automatic lock to lock! My baby was
> inside drowning. The lock on the doors finally pop open. I give God
> the credit {but some people say the electrical stuff got wet and it
> made it unlock.} But then it was too late. The water pressure was to
> strong & I couldn't open the door .My father in law was smart enough
> to pull himself on top of the jeep causing it to tilt enough for me
> to open the door. I almost drowned & so did my baby we all ended up
> in ICU but my father in law DIED he had a massive heart attach in the
> water and died helping to save my baby! When I got her out he was
> face down in the water! I had NO choice but to try to swim back to
> the docks and save my baby! Chrysler had a recall on 05 & 06 because
> of a misplaced part in the transmission. Over 400,000 of them.
> Chrysler SAID it didn't
> apply to 04's. I found out ALL transmissions for 03,04,05 &06 were
> and are the same. They all were assembled from the same product line.
> Chrysler even sent a their people across country to look at my jeep.
> Why would they do that if the KNEW it only applied to 2005 & 2006??? I
> know for a fact my car was in park that night! Something went wrong
> with the jeep. My statue of limitations for court expires Jan. 07. My
> time is running out to get justice for my mother in law! I am
> desperately looking for someone who has had similar trouble with the
> transmission. Please contact me & BE CAREFULL! PARENTS BEWARE JEEP
> LIBERTYS CAN come out of gear when ignition is left running,
> ACCELERATE AND DRIVE OFF BY ITSELF!!!



nice troll... best one I've seen this month



Kate 11-03-2006 07:48 AM

Re: death by liberty
 

"mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote
> If I had a baby or child in the vehicle, I would ABSOLUTELY NEVER exit the
> vehicle with the engine running. Just plain stupid!
>
> Tom



I agree completely.
First, I NEVER leave my vehicle running, unless my husband is sitting in it.
I don't want it to get stolen. If they steal the jeep with him in it then..
they'll bring it back soon enough.

Whenever our little grandson is with us, it can be a great lot of hassle to
get him in and out of that car seat but SO WHAT, I can't even imagine
leaving him in the car...
We just haul him in and out. Or if it is a quickie stop, one of us waits in
the Jeep with him. Simple as that.

People make mistakes, and sadly it ends in a tragedy sometimes but I do
think that the OP in this case may be a troll. Good subject of conversation
though.

Kate



Kate 11-03-2006 07:48 AM

Re: death by liberty
 

"mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote
> If I had a baby or child in the vehicle, I would ABSOLUTELY NEVER exit the
> vehicle with the engine running. Just plain stupid!
>
> Tom



I agree completely.
First, I NEVER leave my vehicle running, unless my husband is sitting in it.
I don't want it to get stolen. If they steal the jeep with him in it then..
they'll bring it back soon enough.

Whenever our little grandson is with us, it can be a great lot of hassle to
get him in and out of that car seat but SO WHAT, I can't even imagine
leaving him in the car...
We just haul him in and out. Or if it is a quickie stop, one of us waits in
the Jeep with him. Simple as that.

People make mistakes, and sadly it ends in a tragedy sometimes but I do
think that the OP in this case may be a troll. Good subject of conversation
though.

Kate



Kate 11-03-2006 07:48 AM

Re: death by liberty
 

"mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote
> If I had a baby or child in the vehicle, I would ABSOLUTELY NEVER exit the
> vehicle with the engine running. Just plain stupid!
>
> Tom



I agree completely.
First, I NEVER leave my vehicle running, unless my husband is sitting in it.
I don't want it to get stolen. If they steal the jeep with him in it then..
they'll bring it back soon enough.

Whenever our little grandson is with us, it can be a great lot of hassle to
get him in and out of that car seat but SO WHAT, I can't even imagine
leaving him in the car...
We just haul him in and out. Or if it is a quickie stop, one of us waits in
the Jeep with him. Simple as that.

People make mistakes, and sadly it ends in a tragedy sometimes but I do
think that the OP in this case may be a troll. Good subject of conversation
though.

Kate



L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-03-2006 01:47 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
The real reason you get him out, is you can't resist showing him
off.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Kate wrote:
>
> I agree completely.
> First, I NEVER leave my vehicle running, unless my husband is sitting in it.
> I don't want it to get stolen. If they steal the jeep with him in it then..
> they'll bring it back soon enough.
>
> Whenever our little grandson is with us, it can be a great lot of hassle to
> get him in and out of that car seat but SO WHAT, I can't even imagine
> leaving him in the car...
> We just haul him in and out. Or if it is a quickie stop, one of us waits in
> the Jeep with him. Simple as that.
>
> People make mistakes, and sadly it ends in a tragedy sometimes but I do
> think that the OP in this case may be a troll. Good subject of conversation
> though.
>
> Kate


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-03-2006 01:47 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
The real reason you get him out, is you can't resist showing him
off.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Kate wrote:
>
> I agree completely.
> First, I NEVER leave my vehicle running, unless my husband is sitting in it.
> I don't want it to get stolen. If they steal the jeep with him in it then..
> they'll bring it back soon enough.
>
> Whenever our little grandson is with us, it can be a great lot of hassle to
> get him in and out of that car seat but SO WHAT, I can't even imagine
> leaving him in the car...
> We just haul him in and out. Or if it is a quickie stop, one of us waits in
> the Jeep with him. Simple as that.
>
> People make mistakes, and sadly it ends in a tragedy sometimes but I do
> think that the OP in this case may be a troll. Good subject of conversation
> though.
>
> Kate


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-03-2006 01:47 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
The real reason you get him out, is you can't resist showing him
off.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Kate wrote:
>
> I agree completely.
> First, I NEVER leave my vehicle running, unless my husband is sitting in it.
> I don't want it to get stolen. If they steal the jeep with him in it then..
> they'll bring it back soon enough.
>
> Whenever our little grandson is with us, it can be a great lot of hassle to
> get him in and out of that car seat but SO WHAT, I can't even imagine
> leaving him in the car...
> We just haul him in and out. Or if it is a quickie stop, one of us waits in
> the Jeep with him. Simple as that.
>
> People make mistakes, and sadly it ends in a tragedy sometimes but I do
> think that the OP in this case may be a troll. Good subject of conversation
> though.
>
> Kate


billy ray 11-03-2006 08:01 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
Her husband or grandson?


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:454B8EDE.CCB83604@cox.net...
> The real reason you get him out, is you can't resist showing him
> off.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Kate wrote:
>>
>> I agree completely.
>> First, I NEVER leave my vehicle running, unless my husband is sitting in
>> it.
>> I don't want it to get stolen. If they steal the jeep with him in it
>> then..
>> they'll bring it back soon enough.
>>
>> Whenever our little grandson is with us, it can be a great lot of hassle
>> to
>> get him in and out of that car seat but SO WHAT, I can't even imagine
>> leaving him in the car...
>> We just haul him in and out. Or if it is a quickie stop, one of us waits
>> in
>> the Jeep with him. Simple as that.
>>
>> People make mistakes, and sadly it ends in a tragedy sometimes but I do
>> think that the OP in this case may be a troll. Good subject of
>> conversation
>> though.
>>
>> Kate




billy ray 11-03-2006 08:01 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
Her husband or grandson?


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:454B8EDE.CCB83604@cox.net...
> The real reason you get him out, is you can't resist showing him
> off.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Kate wrote:
>>
>> I agree completely.
>> First, I NEVER leave my vehicle running, unless my husband is sitting in
>> it.
>> I don't want it to get stolen. If they steal the jeep with him in it
>> then..
>> they'll bring it back soon enough.
>>
>> Whenever our little grandson is with us, it can be a great lot of hassle
>> to
>> get him in and out of that car seat but SO WHAT, I can't even imagine
>> leaving him in the car...
>> We just haul him in and out. Or if it is a quickie stop, one of us waits
>> in
>> the Jeep with him. Simple as that.
>>
>> People make mistakes, and sadly it ends in a tragedy sometimes but I do
>> think that the OP in this case may be a troll. Good subject of
>> conversation
>> though.
>>
>> Kate




billy ray 11-03-2006 08:01 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
Her husband or grandson?


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:454B8EDE.CCB83604@cox.net...
> The real reason you get him out, is you can't resist showing him
> off.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Kate wrote:
>>
>> I agree completely.
>> First, I NEVER leave my vehicle running, unless my husband is sitting in
>> it.
>> I don't want it to get stolen. If they steal the jeep with him in it
>> then..
>> they'll bring it back soon enough.
>>
>> Whenever our little grandson is with us, it can be a great lot of hassle
>> to
>> get him in and out of that car seat but SO WHAT, I can't even imagine
>> leaving him in the car...
>> We just haul him in and out. Or if it is a quickie stop, one of us waits
>> in
>> the Jeep with him. Simple as that.
>>
>> People make mistakes, and sadly it ends in a tragedy sometimes but I do
>> think that the OP in this case may be a troll. Good subject of
>> conversation
>> though.
>>
>> Kate




L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-03-2006 08:21 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
You don't have a grandchild yet.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> Her husband or grandson?


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-03-2006 08:21 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
You don't have a grandchild yet.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> Her husband or grandson?


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-03-2006 08:21 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
You don't have a grandchild yet.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> Her husband or grandson?


billy ray 11-04-2006 02:05 AM

Re: death by liberty
 
No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:454BEB1F.2EF2F516@cox.net...
> You don't have a grandchild yet.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Her husband or grandson?




billy ray 11-04-2006 02:05 AM

Re: death by liberty
 
No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:454BEB1F.2EF2F516@cox.net...
> You don't have a grandchild yet.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Her husband or grandson?




billy ray 11-04-2006 02:05 AM

Re: death by liberty
 
No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:454BEB1F.2EF2F516@cox.net...
> You don't have a grandchild yet.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Her husband or grandson?




Matt Macchiarolo 11-04-2006 01:38 PM

Re: death by liberty
 

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:ae4c9$454c3c46$422afc51$25649@FUSE.NET...
> No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....
>


This reminds me of the following story a friend sent me:

WARNING! RISQUE, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK, DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU!!

AS A MOM PASSES HER DAUGHTER'S CLOSED BEDROOM DOOR, SHE HEARD
>A STRANGE
> > BUZZING NOISE COMING FROM WITHIN. OPENING THE DOOR, SHE

> OBSERVED HER
> > DAUGHTER GIVING HERSELF A REAL WORKOUT WITH A VIBRATOR.

> SHOCKED, SHE
> ASKED:
> > WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU DOING?"
> >
> > THE DAUGHTER REPLIED: "MOM, I'M THIRTY-FIVE YEARS OLD,

> UNMARRIED, AND THIS
> > THING IS ABOUT AS CLOSE AS I'LL EVER GET TO A HUSBAND! PLEASE,

> GO AWAY AND
> > LEAVE ME ALONE."
> >
> > THE NEXT DAY, THE GIRL'S FATHER HEARD THE SAME BUZZ COMING

> FROM THE OTHER
> > SIDE OF THE CLOSED BEDROOM DOOR. UPON ENTERING THE ROOM, HE

> OBSERVED HIS
> > DAUGHTER MAKING PASSIONATE LOVE TO HER VIBRATOR. TO HIS QUERY

> AS TO WHAT
> > SHE
> > WAS DOING, THE DAUGHTER SAID:
> >
> > "DAD I'M THIRTY-FIVE, UNMARRIED, AND THIS THING IS ABOUT AS

> CLOSE AS I'LL
> > EVER GET TO A HUSBAND. PLEASE, GO AWAY AND LEAVE ME ALONE."
> >
> > A COUPLE DAYS LATER, MOM CAME HOME FROM A SHOPPING TRIP,

> PLACED THE
> > GROCERIES ON THE KITCHEN COUNTER, AND HEARD THAT BUZZING NOISE

> COMING
> FROM,
> > OF ALL PLACES, THE LIVING ROOM.
> >
> > SHE ENTERED THAT AREA AND OBSERVED HER HUSBAND SITTING ON THE

> COUCH,
> > DOWNING
> > A COLD BEER, AND STARING AT THE TV.
> >
> > THE VIBRATOR WAS NEXT TO HIM ON THE COUCH, BUZZING LIKE CRAZY.
> >
> > THE WIFE ASKED: "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
> >
> > THE HUSBAND REPLIED: "I'M WATCHING FOOTBALL WITH MY

> SON-IN-LAW."





Matt Macchiarolo 11-04-2006 01:38 PM

Re: death by liberty
 

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:ae4c9$454c3c46$422afc51$25649@FUSE.NET...
> No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....
>


This reminds me of the following story a friend sent me:

WARNING! RISQUE, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK, DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU!!

AS A MOM PASSES HER DAUGHTER'S CLOSED BEDROOM DOOR, SHE HEARD
>A STRANGE
> > BUZZING NOISE COMING FROM WITHIN. OPENING THE DOOR, SHE

> OBSERVED HER
> > DAUGHTER GIVING HERSELF A REAL WORKOUT WITH A VIBRATOR.

> SHOCKED, SHE
> ASKED:
> > WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU DOING?"
> >
> > THE DAUGHTER REPLIED: "MOM, I'M THIRTY-FIVE YEARS OLD,

> UNMARRIED, AND THIS
> > THING IS ABOUT AS CLOSE AS I'LL EVER GET TO A HUSBAND! PLEASE,

> GO AWAY AND
> > LEAVE ME ALONE."
> >
> > THE NEXT DAY, THE GIRL'S FATHER HEARD THE SAME BUZZ COMING

> FROM THE OTHER
> > SIDE OF THE CLOSED BEDROOM DOOR. UPON ENTERING THE ROOM, HE

> OBSERVED HIS
> > DAUGHTER MAKING PASSIONATE LOVE TO HER VIBRATOR. TO HIS QUERY

> AS TO WHAT
> > SHE
> > WAS DOING, THE DAUGHTER SAID:
> >
> > "DAD I'M THIRTY-FIVE, UNMARRIED, AND THIS THING IS ABOUT AS

> CLOSE AS I'LL
> > EVER GET TO A HUSBAND. PLEASE, GO AWAY AND LEAVE ME ALONE."
> >
> > A COUPLE DAYS LATER, MOM CAME HOME FROM A SHOPPING TRIP,

> PLACED THE
> > GROCERIES ON THE KITCHEN COUNTER, AND HEARD THAT BUZZING NOISE

> COMING
> FROM,
> > OF ALL PLACES, THE LIVING ROOM.
> >
> > SHE ENTERED THAT AREA AND OBSERVED HER HUSBAND SITTING ON THE

> COUCH,
> > DOWNING
> > A COLD BEER, AND STARING AT THE TV.
> >
> > THE VIBRATOR WAS NEXT TO HIM ON THE COUCH, BUZZING LIKE CRAZY.
> >
> > THE WIFE ASKED: "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
> >
> > THE HUSBAND REPLIED: "I'M WATCHING FOOTBALL WITH MY

> SON-IN-LAW."





Matt Macchiarolo 11-04-2006 01:38 PM

Re: death by liberty
 

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:ae4c9$454c3c46$422afc51$25649@FUSE.NET...
> No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....
>


This reminds me of the following story a friend sent me:

WARNING! RISQUE, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK, DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU!!

AS A MOM PASSES HER DAUGHTER'S CLOSED BEDROOM DOOR, SHE HEARD
>A STRANGE
> > BUZZING NOISE COMING FROM WITHIN. OPENING THE DOOR, SHE

> OBSERVED HER
> > DAUGHTER GIVING HERSELF A REAL WORKOUT WITH A VIBRATOR.

> SHOCKED, SHE
> ASKED:
> > WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU DOING?"
> >
> > THE DAUGHTER REPLIED: "MOM, I'M THIRTY-FIVE YEARS OLD,

> UNMARRIED, AND THIS
> > THING IS ABOUT AS CLOSE AS I'LL EVER GET TO A HUSBAND! PLEASE,

> GO AWAY AND
> > LEAVE ME ALONE."
> >
> > THE NEXT DAY, THE GIRL'S FATHER HEARD THE SAME BUZZ COMING

> FROM THE OTHER
> > SIDE OF THE CLOSED BEDROOM DOOR. UPON ENTERING THE ROOM, HE

> OBSERVED HIS
> > DAUGHTER MAKING PASSIONATE LOVE TO HER VIBRATOR. TO HIS QUERY

> AS TO WHAT
> > SHE
> > WAS DOING, THE DAUGHTER SAID:
> >
> > "DAD I'M THIRTY-FIVE, UNMARRIED, AND THIS THING IS ABOUT AS

> CLOSE AS I'LL
> > EVER GET TO A HUSBAND. PLEASE, GO AWAY AND LEAVE ME ALONE."
> >
> > A COUPLE DAYS LATER, MOM CAME HOME FROM A SHOPPING TRIP,

> PLACED THE
> > GROCERIES ON THE KITCHEN COUNTER, AND HEARD THAT BUZZING NOISE

> COMING
> FROM,
> > OF ALL PLACES, THE LIVING ROOM.
> >
> > SHE ENTERED THAT AREA AND OBSERVED HER HUSBAND SITTING ON THE

> COUCH,
> > DOWNING
> > A COLD BEER, AND STARING AT THE TV.
> >
> > THE VIBRATOR WAS NEXT TO HIM ON THE COUCH, BUZZING LIKE CRAZY.
> >
> > THE WIFE ASKED: "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
> >
> > THE HUSBAND REPLIED: "I'M WATCHING FOOTBALL WITH MY

> SON-IN-LAW."





L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-04-2006 03:06 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
It will happen, my kids went though six years of marriage before it
happened: http://www.----------.com/grandkid.htm Then suddenly I knew
what this thing call life was all about. There's a love I can't explain,
and I know now I will live forever.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-04-2006 03:06 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
It will happen, my kids went though six years of marriage before it
happened: http://www.----------.com/grandkid.htm Then suddenly I knew
what this thing call life was all about. There's a love I can't explain,
and I know now I will live forever.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-04-2006 03:06 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
It will happen, my kids went though six years of marriage before it
happened: http://www.----------.com/grandkid.htm Then suddenly I knew
what this thing call life was all about. There's a love I can't explain,
and I know now I will live forever.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....


billy ray 11-04-2006 06:22 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
My grand-Puppy Zoë.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2101632319

I heard a couple weeks ago she was going to be a Calendar Girl for next
year.


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:454CF2D0.6809DB3D@cox.net...
> It will happen, my kids went though six years of marriage before it
> happened: http://www.----------.com/grandkid.htm Then suddenly I knew
> what this thing call life was all about. There's a love I can't explain,
> and I know now I will live forever.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....




billy ray 11-04-2006 06:22 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
My grand-Puppy Zoë.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2101632319

I heard a couple weeks ago she was going to be a Calendar Girl for next
year.


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:454CF2D0.6809DB3D@cox.net...
> It will happen, my kids went though six years of marriage before it
> happened: http://www.----------.com/grandkid.htm Then suddenly I knew
> what this thing call life was all about. There's a love I can't explain,
> and I know now I will live forever.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....




billy ray 11-04-2006 06:22 PM

Re: death by liberty
 
My grand-Puppy Zoë.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2101632319

I heard a couple weeks ago she was going to be a Calendar Girl for next
year.


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:454CF2D0.6809DB3D@cox.net...
> It will happen, my kids went though six years of marriage before it
> happened: http://www.----------.com/grandkid.htm Then suddenly I knew
> what this thing call life was all about. There's a love I can't explain,
> and I know now I will live forever.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> No, and from what I hear I shouldn't expect any either....




L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-04-2006 07:59 PM

Off Topic Re: death by liberty
 
I inherited one of those:
http://www.----------.com/katie/index.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> My grand-Puppy Zoë.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2101632319
>
> I heard a couple weeks ago she was going to be a Calendar Girl for next
> year.


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-04-2006 07:59 PM

Off Topic Re: death by liberty
 
I inherited one of those:
http://www.----------.com/katie/index.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> My grand-Puppy Zoë.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2101632319
>
> I heard a couple weeks ago she was going to be a Calendar Girl for next
> year.


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 11-04-2006 07:59 PM

Off Topic Re: death by liberty
 
I inherited one of those:
http://www.----------.com/katie/index.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> My grand-Puppy Zoë.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2101632319
>
> I heard a couple weeks ago she was going to be a Calendar Girl for next
> year.



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