Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?

This problem seems too be way too pervasive for Jeep ethically just to
put the whole load on the owners to pay for a problem of Jeep's own
design.

Why hasn't this wide------ problem resulted in a recall?

Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
anyone's steps.

I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
just a few.

Thanks in advance,

John

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Ethical vehicle manufacturers? Oxymoron!

Earle

"John Rinck" <therincks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fb81f70b.0311102116.3e0b8c42@posting.google.c om...
> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>
> This problem seems too be way too pervasive for Jeep ethically just to
> put the whole load on the owners to pay for a problem of Jeep's own
> design.
>
> Why hasn't this wide------ problem resulted in a recall?
>
> Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> anyone's steps.
>
> I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> just a few.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> John

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Ethical vehicle manufacturers? Oxymoron!

Earle

"John Rinck" <therincks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fb81f70b.0311102116.3e0b8c42@posting.google.c om...
> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>
> This problem seems too be way too pervasive for Jeep ethically just to
> put the whole load on the owners to pay for a problem of Jeep's own
> design.
>
> Why hasn't this wide------ problem resulted in a recall?
>
> Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> anyone's steps.
>
> I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> just a few.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> John

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Ethical vehicle manufacturers? Oxymoron!

Earle

"John Rinck" <therincks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fb81f70b.0311102116.3e0b8c42@posting.google.c om...
> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>
> This problem seems too be way too pervasive for Jeep ethically just to
> put the whole load on the owners to pay for a problem of Jeep's own
> design.
>
> Why hasn't this wide------ problem resulted in a recall?
>
> Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> anyone's steps.
>
> I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> just a few.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> John

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Good luck, John. Maybe you'll get somewhere, as it's the squeaking wheel
that gets the grease. But I believe Chrysler has always planed for
obsolescence. Their headers have been cracking since the sixties, and
probably why we don't see their 440" anymore.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

John Rinck wrote:
>
> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>
> This problem seems too be way too pervasive for Jeep ethically just to
> put the whole load on the owners to pay for a problem of Jeep's own
> design.
>
> Why hasn't this wide------ problem resulted in a recall?
>
> Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> anyone's steps.
>
> I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> just a few.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> John

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Good luck, John. Maybe you'll get somewhere, as it's the squeaking wheel
that gets the grease. But I believe Chrysler has always planed for
obsolescence. Their headers have been cracking since the sixties, and
probably why we don't see their 440" anymore.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

John Rinck wrote:
>
> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>
> This problem seems too be way too pervasive for Jeep ethically just to
> put the whole load on the owners to pay for a problem of Jeep's own
> design.
>
> Why hasn't this wide------ problem resulted in a recall?
>
> Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> anyone's steps.
>
> I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> just a few.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> John

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Good luck, John. Maybe you'll get somewhere, as it's the squeaking wheel
that gets the grease. But I believe Chrysler has always planed for
obsolescence. Their headers have been cracking since the sixties, and
probably why we don't see their 440" anymore.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

John Rinck wrote:
>
> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>
> This problem seems too be way too pervasive for Jeep ethically just to
> put the whole load on the owners to pay for a problem of Jeep's own
> design.
>
> Why hasn't this wide------ problem resulted in a recall?
>
> Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> anyone's steps.
>
> I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> just a few.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> John

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

"John Rinck" <therincks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fb81f70b.0311102116.3e0b8c42@posting.google.c om...
> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?

I believe it's "F**k you guys, fix it yourselves! You're out of warranty!"

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

"John Rinck" <therincks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fb81f70b.0311102116.3e0b8c42@posting.google.c om...
> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?

I believe it's "F**k you guys, fix it yourselves! You're out of warranty!"

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

"John Rinck" <therincks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fb81f70b.0311102116.3e0b8c42@posting.google.c om...
> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?

I believe it's "F**k you guys, fix it yourselves! You're out of warranty!"

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Approximately 11/10/03 21:16, John Rinck uttered for posterity:

> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?

Mine was replaced under warranty without even needing to ask. Ditto
the cat convertor.

>
> Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> anyone's steps.
>
> I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> just a few.

If I had to spend a dime on the repair, would put in a good
aftermarket.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Approximately 11/10/03 21:16, John Rinck uttered for posterity:

> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?

Mine was replaced under warranty without even needing to ask. Ditto
the cat convertor.

>
> Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> anyone's steps.
>
> I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> just a few.

If I had to spend a dime on the repair, would put in a good
aftermarket.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Approximately 11/10/03 21:16, John Rinck uttered for posterity:

> What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?

Mine was replaced under warranty without even needing to ask. Ditto
the cat convertor.

>
> Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> anyone's steps.
>
> I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> just a few.

If I had to spend a dime on the repair, would put in a good
aftermarket.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:5a9sb.173577$Fm2.151558@attbi_s04...
> Approximately 11/10/03 21:16, John Rinck uttered for posterity:
>
> > What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> > cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>
> Mine was replaced under warranty without even needing to ask. Ditto
> the cat convertor.

I'm impressed. I'd heard quite a lot of tales of the opposite. Kudos to
your dealer.

>
> >
> > Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> > could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> > anyone's steps.
> >
> > I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> > my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> > simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> > just a few.
>
> If I had to spend a dime on the repair, would put in a good
> aftermarket.
>

That's what I'll do if mine cracks.

> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ass
>

No doubt! Ruth Ann Minner just had her knee replaced. I don't think she's
doing a lot of ass kicking these days. LOL ;-)

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:5a9sb.173577$Fm2.151558@attbi_s04...
> Approximately 11/10/03 21:16, John Rinck uttered for posterity:
>
> > What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> > cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>
> Mine was replaced under warranty without even needing to ask. Ditto
> the cat convertor.

I'm impressed. I'd heard quite a lot of tales of the opposite. Kudos to
your dealer.

>
> >
> > Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> > could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> > anyone's steps.
> >
> > I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> > my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> > simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> > just a few.
>
> If I had to spend a dime on the repair, would put in a good
> aftermarket.
>

That's what I'll do if mine cracks.

> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ass
>

No doubt! Ruth Ann Minner just had her knee replaced. I don't think she's
doing a lot of ass kicking these days. LOL ;-)

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:5a9sb.173577$Fm2.151558@attbi_s04...
> Approximately 11/10/03 21:16, John Rinck uttered for posterity:
>
> > What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
> > cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>
> Mine was replaced under warranty without even needing to ask. Ditto
> the cat convertor.

I'm impressed. I'd heard quite a lot of tales of the opposite. Kudos to
your dealer.

>
> >
> > Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
> > could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
> > anyone's steps.
> >
> > I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
> > my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
> > simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
> > just a few.
>
> If I had to spend a dime on the repair, would put in a good
> aftermarket.
>

That's what I'll do if mine cracks.

> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ass
>

No doubt! Ruth Ann Minner just had her knee replaced. I don't think she's
doing a lot of ass kicking these days. LOL ;-)

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

The whole thing comes down to a defective design in the exhaust header
on the 4.0L engine up (XJ, YJ, ZJ) until a few years ago, when the pipe
was redesigned to be more flexible. If the pipe cracks before 80,000
miles, it's covered under the emissions system warranty. If your
mileage is less and the dealer doesn't want to fix it, go to another
dealer, get it fixed under warranty, then complain to DC about the snaky
dealership that didn't want to fix what they sell according to warranty.

I should practice what I preach. I complained at 59,000 miles, but my
dealer suggested that I wait until I could leave my YJ for "a few days",
or I was having other work done. No mention of warranty mileage limit.
That day came at 80,500 miles. New service manager, new service
writers. They told me about the warranty expiring. No notation in
their service department computer about the problem existing at 59K when
I reported it at previous minor service. No fix.

The pipe didn't break all the way around until 130K. Noisier than hell
now. Borla, Thorley, and Edelbrock don't make a replacement for my '93
4.0L auto tranny YJ.

Damn. I'm resisting putting in the new DC part, mostly on principle. :-(

Plus, I'm a tight SOB. The fix runs a little over a grand, the way the
dealer quotes it.

Doug


TJim wrote:

>"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
>news:5a9sb.173577$Fm2.151558@attbi_s04...
>
>
>>Approximately 11/10/03 21:16, John Rinck uttered for posterity:
>>
>>
>>
>>>What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
>>>cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>>>
>>>
>> Mine was replaced under warranty without even needing to ask. Ditto
>> the cat convertor.
>>
>>
>
>I'm impressed. I'd heard quite a lot of tales of the opposite. Kudos to
>your dealer.
>
>
>
>>>Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
>>>could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
>>>anyone's steps.
>>>
>>>I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
>>>my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
>>>simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
>>>just a few.
>>>
>>>
>> If I had to spend a dime on the repair, would put in a good
>> aftermarket.
>>
>>
>>
>
>That's what I'll do if mine cracks.
>
>
>
>>--
>>My governor can kick your governor's ass
>>
>>
>>
>
>No doubt! Ruth Ann Minner just had her knee replaced. I don't think she's
>doing a lot of ass kicking these days. LOL ;-)
>
>
>
>

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

The whole thing comes down to a defective design in the exhaust header
on the 4.0L engine up (XJ, YJ, ZJ) until a few years ago, when the pipe
was redesigned to be more flexible. If the pipe cracks before 80,000
miles, it's covered under the emissions system warranty. If your
mileage is less and the dealer doesn't want to fix it, go to another
dealer, get it fixed under warranty, then complain to DC about the snaky
dealership that didn't want to fix what they sell according to warranty.

I should practice what I preach. I complained at 59,000 miles, but my
dealer suggested that I wait until I could leave my YJ for "a few days",
or I was having other work done. No mention of warranty mileage limit.
That day came at 80,500 miles. New service manager, new service
writers. They told me about the warranty expiring. No notation in
their service department computer about the problem existing at 59K when
I reported it at previous minor service. No fix.

The pipe didn't break all the way around until 130K. Noisier than hell
now. Borla, Thorley, and Edelbrock don't make a replacement for my '93
4.0L auto tranny YJ.

Damn. I'm resisting putting in the new DC part, mostly on principle. :-(

Plus, I'm a tight SOB. The fix runs a little over a grand, the way the
dealer quotes it.

Doug


TJim wrote:

>"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
>news:5a9sb.173577$Fm2.151558@attbi_s04...
>
>
>>Approximately 11/10/03 21:16, John Rinck uttered for posterity:
>>
>>
>>
>>>What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
>>>cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>>>
>>>
>> Mine was replaced under warranty without even needing to ask. Ditto
>> the cat convertor.
>>
>>
>
>I'm impressed. I'd heard quite a lot of tales of the opposite. Kudos to
>your dealer.
>
>
>
>>>Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
>>>could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
>>>anyone's steps.
>>>
>>>I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
>>>my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
>>>simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
>>>just a few.
>>>
>>>
>> If I had to spend a dime on the repair, would put in a good
>> aftermarket.
>>
>>
>>
>
>That's what I'll do if mine cracks.
>
>
>
>>--
>>My governor can kick your governor's ass
>>
>>
>>
>
>No doubt! Ruth Ann Minner just had her knee replaced. I don't think she's
>doing a lot of ass kicking these days. LOL ;-)
>
>
>
>

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

The whole thing comes down to a defective design in the exhaust header
on the 4.0L engine up (XJ, YJ, ZJ) until a few years ago, when the pipe
was redesigned to be more flexible. If the pipe cracks before 80,000
miles, it's covered under the emissions system warranty. If your
mileage is less and the dealer doesn't want to fix it, go to another
dealer, get it fixed under warranty, then complain to DC about the snaky
dealership that didn't want to fix what they sell according to warranty.

I should practice what I preach. I complained at 59,000 miles, but my
dealer suggested that I wait until I could leave my YJ for "a few days",
or I was having other work done. No mention of warranty mileage limit.
That day came at 80,500 miles. New service manager, new service
writers. They told me about the warranty expiring. No notation in
their service department computer about the problem existing at 59K when
I reported it at previous minor service. No fix.

The pipe didn't break all the way around until 130K. Noisier than hell
now. Borla, Thorley, and Edelbrock don't make a replacement for my '93
4.0L auto tranny YJ.

Damn. I'm resisting putting in the new DC part, mostly on principle. :-(

Plus, I'm a tight SOB. The fix runs a little over a grand, the way the
dealer quotes it.

Doug


TJim wrote:

>"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
>news:5a9sb.173577$Fm2.151558@attbi_s04...
>
>
>>Approximately 11/10/03 21:16, John Rinck uttered for posterity:
>>
>>
>>
>>>What is Jeep's official position regarding the infamous problem with
>>>cracked exhaust pipes on Grand Cherokees?
>>>
>>>
>> Mine was replaced under warranty without even needing to ask. Ditto
>> the cat convertor.
>>
>>
>
>I'm impressed. I'd heard quite a lot of tales of the opposite. Kudos to
>your dealer.
>
>
>
>>>Before I call and write to them, though, I was wondering if anyone
>>>could get me up to speed on this issue so that I don't have to retrace
>>>anyone's steps.
>>>
>>>I WAS in the market for a new Jeep until this problem finally got to
>>>my '94. The estimates to repair run from $500 to $1000, and this is
>>>simply inexcusable because the problem is affecting MANY people, not
>>>just a few.
>>>
>>>
>> If I had to spend a dime on the repair, would put in a good
>> aftermarket.
>>
>>
>>
>
>That's what I'll do if mine cracks.
>
>
>
>>--
>>My governor can kick your governor's ass
>>
>>
>>
>
>No doubt! Ruth Ann Minner just had her knee replaced. I don't think she's
>doing a lot of ass kicking these days. LOL ;-)
>
>
>
>

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Doug Gavilanes did pass the time by typing:

> The pipe didn't break all the way around until 130K. Noisier than hell
> now. Borla, Thorley, and Edelbrock don't make a replacement for my '93
> 4.0L auto tranny YJ.

Sure the 4.0 ZJ pipes won't fit? Might require a good (ie not midas *spit*)
muffler shop to build you a new downpipe. At any rate even then it probably
will be less expensive than getting mugged by the dealer.

If you don't have any other option, give the folks at buymopar.com a shot.
They are a dealer I've delt with before and they don't overcharge on the parts.

--
DougW

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Doug Gavilanes did pass the time by typing:

> The pipe didn't break all the way around until 130K. Noisier than hell
> now. Borla, Thorley, and Edelbrock don't make a replacement for my '93
> 4.0L auto tranny YJ.

Sure the 4.0 ZJ pipes won't fit? Might require a good (ie not midas *spit*)
muffler shop to build you a new downpipe. At any rate even then it probably
will be less expensive than getting mugged by the dealer.

If you don't have any other option, give the folks at buymopar.com a shot.
They are a dealer I've delt with before and they don't overcharge on the parts.

--
DougW

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Doug Gavilanes did pass the time by typing:

> The pipe didn't break all the way around until 130K. Noisier than hell
> now. Borla, Thorley, and Edelbrock don't make a replacement for my '93
> 4.0L auto tranny YJ.

Sure the 4.0 ZJ pipes won't fit? Might require a good (ie not midas *spit*)
muffler shop to build you a new downpipe. At any rate even then it probably
will be less expensive than getting mugged by the dealer.

If you don't have any other option, give the folks at buymopar.com a shot.
They are a dealer I've delt with before and they don't overcharge on the parts.

--
DougW

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Approximately 11/11/03 20:16, Doug Gavilanes uttered for posterity:

> The whole thing comes down to a defective design in the exhaust header
> on the 4.0L engine up (XJ, YJ, ZJ) until a few years ago, when the pipe
> was redesigned to be more flexible. If the pipe cracks before 80,000
> miles, it's covered under the emissions system warranty.

Is that a federal warranty or just Kalifornia? In Kalifornia the
warranty applies to pretty much any "emissions related" part that
is not normal maintenance.

The federal warranty that began in 1995 for cars and light trucks
notes that there is a 24,000 mile basic and 80,000 mile major
component "performance" warranty. The manufacturer is only
required to replace parts under this warranty if the vehicle
is in a testing state and has failed an emissions test due
to items in question.

There is also a design and defect warranty that is far less
clear and weasels on the difference between an emissions part
[say a double walled exhaust manifold specifically designed for
emissions] and an "emissions related" part such as an ordinary
exhaust manifold. With additional weasel wording that this
warranty is spelled out in the manufacturer's Owners Manual
rather than being as all encompassing as the Kalifornia one.

Still, I sure would bitch, and the crappy manifold could very
easily be characterized as a design defect, not just a bad
part.



--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Approximately 11/11/03 20:16, Doug Gavilanes uttered for posterity:

> The whole thing comes down to a defective design in the exhaust header
> on the 4.0L engine up (XJ, YJ, ZJ) until a few years ago, when the pipe
> was redesigned to be more flexible. If the pipe cracks before 80,000
> miles, it's covered under the emissions system warranty.

Is that a federal warranty or just Kalifornia? In Kalifornia the
warranty applies to pretty much any "emissions related" part that
is not normal maintenance.

The federal warranty that began in 1995 for cars and light trucks
notes that there is a 24,000 mile basic and 80,000 mile major
component "performance" warranty. The manufacturer is only
required to replace parts under this warranty if the vehicle
is in a testing state and has failed an emissions test due
to items in question.

There is also a design and defect warranty that is far less
clear and weasels on the difference between an emissions part
[say a double walled exhaust manifold specifically designed for
emissions] and an "emissions related" part such as an ordinary
exhaust manifold. With additional weasel wording that this
warranty is spelled out in the manufacturer's Owners Manual
rather than being as all encompassing as the Kalifornia one.

Still, I sure would bitch, and the crappy manifold could very
easily be characterized as a design defect, not just a bad
part.



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My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: Cracked Pipe Problem on Grand Cherokees
 

Approximately 11/11/03 20:16, Doug Gavilanes uttered for posterity:

> The whole thing comes down to a defective design in the exhaust header
> on the 4.0L engine up (XJ, YJ, ZJ) until a few years ago, when the pipe
> was redesigned to be more flexible. If the pipe cracks before 80,000
> miles, it's covered under the emissions system warranty.

Is that a federal warranty or just Kalifornia? In Kalifornia the
warranty applies to pretty much any "emissions related" part that
is not normal maintenance.

The federal warranty that began in 1995 for cars and light trucks
notes that there is a 24,000 mile basic and 80,000 mile major
component "performance" warranty. The manufacturer is only
required to replace parts under this warranty if the vehicle
is in a testing state and has failed an emissions test due
to items in question.

There is also a design and defect warranty that is far less
clear and weasels on the difference between an emissions part
[say a double walled exhaust manifold specifically designed for
emissions] and an "emissions related" part such as an ordinary
exhaust manifold. With additional weasel wording that this
warranty is spelled out in the manufacturer's Owners Manual
rather than being as all encompassing as the Kalifornia one.

Still, I sure would bitch, and the crappy manifold could very
easily be characterized as a design defect, not just a bad
part.



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My governor can kick your governor's ass