Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
jonts, worth $1,500?

Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can be
run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Engine and tranny are going to be pretty tired (At that mileage, it
probably has already been rebuilt). If you want it as a second vehicle
for knocking around, it might be OK. As a primary vehicle, I wouldn't
touch it.

Matthew Warren wrote:
> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
> jonts, worth $1,500?
>
> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can be
> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.
>
>

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Engine and tranny are going to be pretty tired (At that mileage, it
probably has already been rebuilt). If you want it as a second vehicle
for knocking around, it might be OK. As a primary vehicle, I wouldn't
touch it.

Matthew Warren wrote:
> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
> jonts, worth $1,500?
>
> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can be
> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.
>
>

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Engine and tranny are going to be pretty tired (At that mileage, it
probably has already been rebuilt). If you want it as a second vehicle
for knocking around, it might be OK. As a primary vehicle, I wouldn't
touch it.

Matthew Warren wrote:
> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
> jonts, worth $1,500?
>
> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can be
> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.
>
>

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

If there is low rust, then yes, it is likely worth it. I always figure
in an engine rebuild on something with that many miles on it. Somewhere
in the $2500.00 installed neighborhood unless you install it yourself,
then just $12-1500.00 for a shop done one and a hundred or so for the
rent on an engine hoist. The hoist comes in pieces you put together and
fit in a trunk. So for $4000.00 one would have a new engine with a nice
body to go with it....

The front u-joints can be done yourself. They are labor intensive, but
not too technically hard to do.

Full time 4x4 can have you sitting on ice with only one tire
turning.... But when rolling it has the potential to put power to all 4
almost equally so it grabs the road good and allows lots of driveline
slip on corners.

Part time means you can be on ice and have one front and one rear tire
turning. Much better road grabbing traction, but one tire has to scuff
on a corner because the front and rear are locked together.

In either case, you can hit the brake pedal and end up with at least two
back tires spinning if you do it right. I sometimes can get 4 rooster
tails on my CJ on an ice start by using the brake if needed after a
stuck with two spinning.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Matthew Warren wrote:
>
> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
> jonts, worth $1,500?
>
> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can be
> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

If there is low rust, then yes, it is likely worth it. I always figure
in an engine rebuild on something with that many miles on it. Somewhere
in the $2500.00 installed neighborhood unless you install it yourself,
then just $12-1500.00 for a shop done one and a hundred or so for the
rent on an engine hoist. The hoist comes in pieces you put together and
fit in a trunk. So for $4000.00 one would have a new engine with a nice
body to go with it....

The front u-joints can be done yourself. They are labor intensive, but
not too technically hard to do.

Full time 4x4 can have you sitting on ice with only one tire
turning.... But when rolling it has the potential to put power to all 4
almost equally so it grabs the road good and allows lots of driveline
slip on corners.

Part time means you can be on ice and have one front and one rear tire
turning. Much better road grabbing traction, but one tire has to scuff
on a corner because the front and rear are locked together.

In either case, you can hit the brake pedal and end up with at least two
back tires spinning if you do it right. I sometimes can get 4 rooster
tails on my CJ on an ice start by using the brake if needed after a
stuck with two spinning.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Matthew Warren wrote:
>
> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
> jonts, worth $1,500?
>
> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can be
> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

If there is low rust, then yes, it is likely worth it. I always figure
in an engine rebuild on something with that many miles on it. Somewhere
in the $2500.00 installed neighborhood unless you install it yourself,
then just $12-1500.00 for a shop done one and a hundred or so for the
rent on an engine hoist. The hoist comes in pieces you put together and
fit in a trunk. So for $4000.00 one would have a new engine with a nice
body to go with it....

The front u-joints can be done yourself. They are labor intensive, but
not too technically hard to do.

Full time 4x4 can have you sitting on ice with only one tire
turning.... But when rolling it has the potential to put power to all 4
almost equally so it grabs the road good and allows lots of driveline
slip on corners.

Part time means you can be on ice and have one front and one rear tire
turning. Much better road grabbing traction, but one tire has to scuff
on a corner because the front and rear are locked together.

In either case, you can hit the brake pedal and end up with at least two
back tires spinning if you do it right. I sometimes can get 4 rooster
tails on my CJ on an ice start by using the brake if needed after a
stuck with two spinning.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Matthew Warren wrote:
>
> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
> jonts, worth $1,500?
>
> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can be
> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Generally speaking the Command-Trac (part time 4wd) is the same as Part Time
4wd selection in Select-Trac (full time 4wd). There are minor differences
that I am sure someone will jump in to mention.

As mentioned in another post I would be wary of buying ANY vehicle with 307k
miles as my ONLY vehicle.

Possible service needs depends on what has been done already by the previous
owner, have it checked by your mechanic.


"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:DPLhf.2062$A23.1158@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Engine and tranny are going to be pretty tired (At that mileage, it
> probably has already been rebuilt). If you want it as a second vehicle for
> knocking around, it might be OK. As a primary vehicle, I wouldn't touch
> it.
>
> Matthew Warren wrote:
>> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
>> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap
>> of miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle
>> U jonts, worth $1,500?
>>
>> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
>> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can
>> be run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective
>> in snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Generally speaking the Command-Trac (part time 4wd) is the same as Part Time
4wd selection in Select-Trac (full time 4wd). There are minor differences
that I am sure someone will jump in to mention.

As mentioned in another post I would be wary of buying ANY vehicle with 307k
miles as my ONLY vehicle.

Possible service needs depends on what has been done already by the previous
owner, have it checked by your mechanic.


"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:DPLhf.2062$A23.1158@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Engine and tranny are going to be pretty tired (At that mileage, it
> probably has already been rebuilt). If you want it as a second vehicle for
> knocking around, it might be OK. As a primary vehicle, I wouldn't touch
> it.
>
> Matthew Warren wrote:
>> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
>> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap
>> of miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle
>> U jonts, worth $1,500?
>>
>> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
>> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can
>> be run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective
>> in snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Generally speaking the Command-Trac (part time 4wd) is the same as Part Time
4wd selection in Select-Trac (full time 4wd). There are minor differences
that I am sure someone will jump in to mention.

As mentioned in another post I would be wary of buying ANY vehicle with 307k
miles as my ONLY vehicle.

Possible service needs depends on what has been done already by the previous
owner, have it checked by your mechanic.


"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:DPLhf.2062$A23.1158@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Engine and tranny are going to be pretty tired (At that mileage, it
> probably has already been rebuilt). If you want it as a second vehicle for
> knocking around, it might be OK. As a primary vehicle, I wouldn't touch
> it.
>
> Matthew Warren wrote:
>> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
>> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap
>> of miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle
>> U jonts, worth $1,500?
>>
>> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
>> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can
>> be run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective
>> in snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

The main advantage of full time 4wd seems to be, that it will let you drive
on slippery surfaces, at speeds at which you don't have a prayer of
stopping, in a reasonable time or distance, when you have to. Part time 4wd
is "really need it" 4wd. Full time 4wd is "drive as if it isn't snowing,
rainy or icy" 4wd.

It sounds like a $1,500 vehicle. Tires, u-joints, maybe a brake job, engine
rebuild some time in the future. Depending on your needs, how many miles
you drive a week, you could have this vehicle for a long time, with minimal
repairs.

Earle

"Matthew Warren" <msuuarren@bluefrog.com> wrote in message
news:dm804e0170a@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
> jonts, worth $1,500?
>
> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can
be
> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.
>
>

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

The main advantage of full time 4wd seems to be, that it will let you drive
on slippery surfaces, at speeds at which you don't have a prayer of
stopping, in a reasonable time or distance, when you have to. Part time 4wd
is "really need it" 4wd. Full time 4wd is "drive as if it isn't snowing,
rainy or icy" 4wd.

It sounds like a $1,500 vehicle. Tires, u-joints, maybe a brake job, engine
rebuild some time in the future. Depending on your needs, how many miles
you drive a week, you could have this vehicle for a long time, with minimal
repairs.

Earle

"Matthew Warren" <msuuarren@bluefrog.com> wrote in message
news:dm804e0170a@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
> jonts, worth $1,500?
>
> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can
be
> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.
>
>

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

The main advantage of full time 4wd seems to be, that it will let you drive
on slippery surfaces, at speeds at which you don't have a prayer of
stopping, in a reasonable time or distance, when you have to. Part time 4wd
is "really need it" 4wd. Full time 4wd is "drive as if it isn't snowing,
rainy or icy" 4wd.

It sounds like a $1,500 vehicle. Tires, u-joints, maybe a brake job, engine
rebuild some time in the future. Depending on your needs, how many miles
you drive a week, you could have this vehicle for a long time, with minimal
repairs.

Earle

"Matthew Warren" <msuuarren@bluefrog.com> wrote in message
news:dm804e0170a@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
> jonts, worth $1,500?
>
> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can
be
> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.
>
>

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Earle Horton did pass the time by typing:
> The main advantage of full time 4wd seems to be, that it will let you drive
> on slippery surfaces, at speeds at which you don't have a prayer of
> stopping, in a reasonable time or distance, when you have to. Part time 4wd
> is "really need it" 4wd. Full time 4wd is "drive as if it isn't snowing,
> rainy or icy" 4wd.
>
> It sounds like a $1,500 vehicle. Tires, u-joints, maybe a brake job, engine
> rebuild some time in the future. Depending on your needs, how many miles
> you drive a week, you could have this vehicle for a long time, with minimal
> repairs.

I'm wondering what engine. Repair costs are higher for the V8 vs the I6.
The I6 also has a habbit of cracked exhaust headers and those aren't
cheap. Aftermarket is there though.

> "Matthew Warren" wrote ...
>> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
>> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
>> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
>> jonts, worth $1,500?

I'd have a qualified mechanic look it over before buying.

It also depends on how much work you plan to do yourself. Brakes, exhaust,
engine mounts, belts, hoses, etc.

>> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
>> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can be
>> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
>> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.


As others have said, fulltime is good for highway/dirt/gravel but not
optimal for off-roading. If your not planning on taking it into serious
situations then fulltime is fine. If your getting it to build-up then
it may not matter since you could drop in another case.

Quadratrack (full time 4wd) is great on snow, ice, slime... Helps a bit
to use the poor mans locker (drag the brakes) if you get stuck.

It also depends on if the rear axle is a locker or not. There will be
a round metal tag on one of the bolts holding the differential cover
if it is.

One thing for certain. Before you drive in the snow/ice take the vehicle
out to an empty mall parking lot and learn how it behaves. My ZJ is almost
dead neutral on ice/snow unless I floor the gas or hit the emergency brake. :)


--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Earle Horton did pass the time by typing:
> The main advantage of full time 4wd seems to be, that it will let you drive
> on slippery surfaces, at speeds at which you don't have a prayer of
> stopping, in a reasonable time or distance, when you have to. Part time 4wd
> is "really need it" 4wd. Full time 4wd is "drive as if it isn't snowing,
> rainy or icy" 4wd.
>
> It sounds like a $1,500 vehicle. Tires, u-joints, maybe a brake job, engine
> rebuild some time in the future. Depending on your needs, how many miles
> you drive a week, you could have this vehicle for a long time, with minimal
> repairs.

I'm wondering what engine. Repair costs are higher for the V8 vs the I6.
The I6 also has a habbit of cracked exhaust headers and those aren't
cheap. Aftermarket is there though.

> "Matthew Warren" wrote ...
>> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
>> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
>> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
>> jonts, worth $1,500?

I'd have a qualified mechanic look it over before buying.

It also depends on how much work you plan to do yourself. Brakes, exhaust,
engine mounts, belts, hoses, etc.

>> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
>> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can be
>> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
>> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.


As others have said, fulltime is good for highway/dirt/gravel but not
optimal for off-roading. If your not planning on taking it into serious
situations then fulltime is fine. If your getting it to build-up then
it may not matter since you could drop in another case.

Quadratrack (full time 4wd) is great on snow, ice, slime... Helps a bit
to use the poor mans locker (drag the brakes) if you get stuck.

It also depends on if the rear axle is a locker or not. There will be
a round metal tag on one of the bolts holding the differential cover
if it is.

One thing for certain. Before you drive in the snow/ice take the vehicle
out to an empty mall parking lot and learn how it behaves. My ZJ is almost
dead neutral on ice/snow unless I floor the gas or hit the emergency brake. :)


--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Earle Horton did pass the time by typing:
> The main advantage of full time 4wd seems to be, that it will let you drive
> on slippery surfaces, at speeds at which you don't have a prayer of
> stopping, in a reasonable time or distance, when you have to. Part time 4wd
> is "really need it" 4wd. Full time 4wd is "drive as if it isn't snowing,
> rainy or icy" 4wd.
>
> It sounds like a $1,500 vehicle. Tires, u-joints, maybe a brake job, engine
> rebuild some time in the future. Depending on your needs, how many miles
> you drive a week, you could have this vehicle for a long time, with minimal
> repairs.

I'm wondering what engine. Repair costs are higher for the V8 vs the I6.
The I6 also has a habbit of cracked exhaust headers and those aren't
cheap. Aftermarket is there though.

> "Matthew Warren" wrote ...
>> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles, auto tranny, full time case. Was
>> wondering what I should be wary of / look for. I know that it's a heap of
>> miles, but... in the end, is this vehicle needing tires and front axle U
>> jonts, worth $1,500?

I'd have a qualified mechanic look it over before buying.

It also depends on how much work you plan to do yourself. Brakes, exhaust,
engine mounts, belts, hoses, etc.

>> Also, never used full time 4wd, what are the differences in performance
>> verse Part time systems? I know that the major advantage is that it can be
>> run anywhere... but beyond that I don't know much. Is it as effective in
>> snow as part time? anyway, thanks to all in advance.


As others have said, fulltime is good for highway/dirt/gravel but not
optimal for off-roading. If your not planning on taking it into serious
situations then fulltime is fine. If your getting it to build-up then
it may not matter since you could drop in another case.

Quadratrack (full time 4wd) is great on snow, ice, slime... Helps a bit
to use the poor mans locker (drag the brakes) if you get stuck.

It also depends on if the rear axle is a locker or not. There will be
a round metal tag on one of the bolts holding the differential cover
if it is.

One thing for certain. Before you drive in the snow/ice take the vehicle
out to an empty mall parking lot and learn how it behaves. My ZJ is almost
dead neutral on ice/snow unless I floor the gas or hit the emergency brake. :)


--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> If there is low rust, then yes, it is likely worth it. I always figure
> in an engine rebuild on something with that many miles on it. Somewhere
> in the $2500.00 installed neighborhood unless you install it yourself,
> then just $12-1500.00 for a shop done one and a hundred or so for the
> rent on an engine hoist. The hoist comes in pieces you put together and
> fit in a trunk. So for $4000.00 one would have a new engine with a nice
> body to go with it....

But electrical gremlins and bad grounds can drive you crazy with an old
car. I'm coming to believe this is often the limiting factor in keeping
a car for the long haul.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> If there is low rust, then yes, it is likely worth it. I always figure
> in an engine rebuild on something with that many miles on it. Somewhere
> in the $2500.00 installed neighborhood unless you install it yourself,
> then just $12-1500.00 for a shop done one and a hundred or so for the
> rent on an engine hoist. The hoist comes in pieces you put together and
> fit in a trunk. So for $4000.00 one would have a new engine with a nice
> body to go with it....

But electrical gremlins and bad grounds can drive you crazy with an old
car. I'm coming to believe this is often the limiting factor in keeping
a car for the long haul.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> If there is low rust, then yes, it is likely worth it. I always figure
> in an engine rebuild on something with that many miles on it. Somewhere
> in the $2500.00 installed neighborhood unless you install it yourself,
> then just $12-1500.00 for a shop done one and a hundred or so for the
> rent on an engine hoist. The hoist comes in pieces you put together and
> fit in a trunk. So for $4000.00 one would have a new engine with a nice
> body to go with it....

But electrical gremlins and bad grounds can drive you crazy with an old
car. I'm coming to believe this is often the limiting factor in keeping
a car for the long haul.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles

307,000 miles? Put on it how? Highway?

I'd steer clear of it without a healthy budget for replacing all sorts of
things. It's only 10 years old so a lot of the usual things like hoses and
various rubber bits aren't completely crapped out yet, that's a good thing.
But that many miles on anything, new or old, is going to have put a lot of
wear on some pretty expensive components. Suspension, differentials, wheel
bearings, steering box, etc. A lot of that stuff just gets "sloppy" due to
wear. You're in for a heap of expenses trying to bring them back to life.
Also, if it was highway miles don't forget things like a worn out driver
seat, carpet and power window failures.

So unless the thing's visually spotless AND you've budgeted some pretty
hefty 'surprises' then you'd do well to pass on it.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles

307,000 miles? Put on it how? Highway?

I'd steer clear of it without a healthy budget for replacing all sorts of
things. It's only 10 years old so a lot of the usual things like hoses and
various rubber bits aren't completely crapped out yet, that's a good thing.
But that many miles on anything, new or old, is going to have put a lot of
wear on some pretty expensive components. Suspension, differentials, wheel
bearings, steering box, etc. A lot of that stuff just gets "sloppy" due to
wear. You're in for a heap of expenses trying to bring them back to life.
Also, if it was highway miles don't forget things like a worn out driver
seat, carpet and power window failures.

So unless the thing's visually spotless AND you've budgeted some pretty
hefty 'surprises' then you'd do well to pass on it.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles

307,000 miles? Put on it how? Highway?

I'd steer clear of it without a healthy budget for replacing all sorts of
things. It's only 10 years old so a lot of the usual things like hoses and
various rubber bits aren't completely crapped out yet, that's a good thing.
But that many miles on anything, new or old, is going to have put a lot of
wear on some pretty expensive components. Suspension, differentials, wheel
bearings, steering box, etc. A lot of that stuff just gets "sloppy" due to
wear. You're in for a heap of expenses trying to bring them back to life.
Also, if it was highway miles don't forget things like a worn out driver
seat, carpet and power window failures.

So unless the thing's visually spotless AND you've budgeted some pretty
hefty 'surprises' then you'd do well to pass on it.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p_2dnau_iOiELRXeRVn-pQ@speakeasy.net...
>> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles
>
> 307,000 miles? Put on it how? Highway?
>
> I'd steer clear of it without a healthy budget for replacing all sorts of
> things. It's only 10 years old so a lot of the usual things like hoses
> and
> various rubber bits aren't completely crapped out yet, that's a good
> thing.
> But that many miles on anything, new or old, is going to have put a lot of
> wear on some pretty expensive components. Suspension, differentials,
> wheel
> bearings, steering box, etc. A lot of that stuff just gets "sloppy" due
> to
> wear. You're in for a heap of expenses trying to bring them back to life.
> Also, if it was highway miles don't forget things like a worn out driver
> seat, carpet and power window failures.
>
> So unless the thing's visually spotless AND you've budgeted some pretty
> hefty 'surprises' then you'd do well to pass on it.


I do plan on having it checked out, and it is the V8. But the amazing thing
is, that it is really quite rust free (a real oddity here in NY) and things
like the drivers seat don't look or feel like that many miles... so I have
very mixed emotions about the whole thing. I did notice that there is too
much oil in it... I will 'prolly leave it there for some other victim... but
I'm looking for something for the winter.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p_2dnau_iOiELRXeRVn-pQ@speakeasy.net...
>> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles
>
> 307,000 miles? Put on it how? Highway?
>
> I'd steer clear of it without a healthy budget for replacing all sorts of
> things. It's only 10 years old so a lot of the usual things like hoses
> and
> various rubber bits aren't completely crapped out yet, that's a good
> thing.
> But that many miles on anything, new or old, is going to have put a lot of
> wear on some pretty expensive components. Suspension, differentials,
> wheel
> bearings, steering box, etc. A lot of that stuff just gets "sloppy" due
> to
> wear. You're in for a heap of expenses trying to bring them back to life.
> Also, if it was highway miles don't forget things like a worn out driver
> seat, carpet and power window failures.
>
> So unless the thing's visually spotless AND you've budgeted some pretty
> hefty 'surprises' then you'd do well to pass on it.


I do plan on having it checked out, and it is the V8. But the amazing thing
is, that it is really quite rust free (a real oddity here in NY) and things
like the drivers seat don't look or feel like that many miles... so I have
very mixed emotions about the whole thing. I did notice that there is too
much oil in it... I will 'prolly leave it there for some other victim... but
I'm looking for something for the winter.

Re: Considerations on a used 95 GC
 

"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p_2dnau_iOiELRXeRVn-pQ@speakeasy.net...
>> Looking at a 1995 GC (ZJ?), 307k miles
>
> 307,000 miles? Put on it how? Highway?
>
> I'd steer clear of it without a healthy budget for replacing all sorts of
> things. It's only 10 years old so a lot of the usual things like hoses
> and
> various rubber bits aren't completely crapped out yet, that's a good
> thing.
> But that many miles on anything, new or old, is going to have put a lot of
> wear on some pretty expensive components. Suspension, differentials,
> wheel
> bearings, steering box, etc. A lot of that stuff just gets "sloppy" due
> to
> wear. You're in for a heap of expenses trying to bring them back to life.
> Also, if it was highway miles don't forget things like a worn out driver
> seat, carpet and power window failures.
>
> So unless the thing's visually spotless AND you've budgeted some pretty
> hefty 'surprises' then you'd do well to pass on it.


I do plan on having it checked out, and it is the V8. But the amazing thing
is, that it is really quite rust free (a real oddity here in NY) and things
like the drivers seat don't look or feel like that many miles... so I have
very mixed emotions about the whole thing. I did notice that there is too
much oil in it... I will 'prolly leave it there for some other victim... but
I'm looking for something for the winter.