cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Hi All,

I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
appreciated.

Best,
Breton

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Does it make noise when you try to shift it under the difficult to shift
condition, or is there just resistance? That would be the difference
between a worn synchro clutch and a slightly bent shift fork. My Wrangler,
about the same vintage, complains when shifting into second, unless I do it
at exactly the right road speed. You can learn to live with it.

If you do decide to get the transmission overhauled, seriously think about
not only clutch replacement but upgrading to the new style external slave
cylinder at that time.

Earle

"breton" <bretonh@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
>
> I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Breton
>

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Does it make noise when you try to shift it under the difficult to shift
condition, or is there just resistance? That would be the difference
between a worn synchro clutch and a slightly bent shift fork. My Wrangler,
about the same vintage, complains when shifting into second, unless I do it
at exactly the right road speed. You can learn to live with it.

If you do decide to get the transmission overhauled, seriously think about
not only clutch replacement but upgrading to the new style external slave
cylinder at that time.

Earle

"breton" <bretonh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi All,
>
> I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Breton
>

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Does it make noise when you try to shift it under the difficult to shift
condition, or is there just resistance? That would be the difference
between a worn synchro clutch and a slightly bent shift fork. My Wrangler,
about the same vintage, complains when shifting into second, unless I do it
at exactly the right road speed. You can learn to live with it.

If you do decide to get the transmission overhauled, seriously think about
not only clutch replacement but upgrading to the new style external slave
cylinder at that time.

Earle

"breton" <bretonh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi All,
>
> I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Breton
>

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

It's normal, my 93 YJ has always been like that, just double clutch until
the oil warms up and gets thinner, you could also try to use multigrade
synthetic oil with a lower number, the problem is the cold thick oil slows
the syncros...
Miguel Londono.

"breton" <bretonh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi All,
>
> I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Breton
>

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

It's normal, my 93 YJ has always been like that, just double clutch until
the oil warms up and gets thinner, you could also try to use multigrade
synthetic oil with a lower number, the problem is the cold thick oil slows
the syncros...
Miguel Londono.

"breton" <bretonh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi All,
>
> I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Breton
>

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

It's normal, my 93 YJ has always been like that, just double clutch until
the oil warms up and gets thinner, you could also try to use multigrade
synthetic oil with a lower number, the problem is the cold thick oil slows
the syncros...
Miguel Londono.

"breton" <bretonh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi All,
>
> I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Breton
>

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Thanks,

I actually looked a little deeper in past messages and found a lot of
posts consistent with your rec. It appears to just be difficult to
shift into--no noise or anything.

Best,
Breton

On Dec 27, 11:15 am, "Miguel Londono" <miguellond...@usa.net> wrote:
> It's normal, my 93 YJ has always been like that, just double clutch until
> the oil warms up and gets thinner, you could also try to use multigrade
> synthetic oil with a lower number, the problem is the cold thick oil slows
> the syncros...
> Miguel Londono.
>
> "breton" <bret...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.goo glegroups.com...
>
> > Hi All,
>
> > I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> > transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> > it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> > do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> > Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> > appreciated.
>
> > Best,
> > Breton

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Thanks,

I actually looked a little deeper in past messages and found a lot of
posts consistent with your rec. It appears to just be difficult to
shift into--no noise or anything.

Best,
Breton

On Dec 27, 11:15 am, "Miguel Londono" <miguellond...@usa.net> wrote:
> It's normal, my 93 YJ has always been like that, just double clutch until
> the oil warms up and gets thinner, you could also try to use multigrade
> synthetic oil with a lower number, the problem is the cold thick oil slows
> the syncros...
> Miguel Londono.
>
> "breton" <bret...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.goo glegroups.com...
>
> > Hi All,
>
> > I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> > transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> > it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> > do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> > Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> > appreciated.
>
> > Best,
> > Breton

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Thanks,

I actually looked a little deeper in past messages and found a lot of
posts consistent with your rec. It appears to just be difficult to
shift into--no noise or anything.

Best,
Breton

On Dec 27, 11:15 am, "Miguel Londono" <miguellond...@usa.net> wrote:
> It's normal, my 93 YJ has always been like that, just double clutch until
> the oil warms up and gets thinner, you could also try to use multigrade
> synthetic oil with a lower number, the problem is the cold thick oil slows
> the syncros...
> Miguel Londono.
>
> "breton" <bret...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.goo glegroups.com...
>
> > Hi All,
>
> > I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> > transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> > it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> > do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> > Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> > appreciated.
>
> > Best,
> > Breton

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Fresh oil does them wonders. I noticed a large difference when I
switched to a semi-synthetic. Be sure you get the right type of fluid.

Jeeps also don't have a high water vent on the tranny for some strange
reason, so it isn't uncommon to find water and mud inside of them.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

breton wrote:
>
> Thanks,
>
> I actually looked a little deeper in past messages and found a lot of
> posts consistent with your rec. It appears to just be difficult to
> shift into--no noise or anything.
>
> Best,
> Breton
>
> On Dec 27, 11:15 am, "Miguel Londono" <miguellond...@usa.net> wrote:
> > It's normal, my 93 YJ has always been like that, just double clutch until
> > the oil warms up and gets thinner, you could also try to use multigrade
> > synthetic oil with a lower number, the problem is the cold thick oil slows
> > the syncros...
> > Miguel Londono.
> >
> > "breton" <bret...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.goo glegroups.com...
> >
> > > Hi All,
> >
> > > I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> > > transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> > > it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> > > do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> > > Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> > > appreciated.
> >
> > > Best,
> > > Breton

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Fresh oil does them wonders. I noticed a large difference when I
switched to a semi-synthetic. Be sure you get the right type of fluid.

Jeeps also don't have a high water vent on the tranny for some strange
reason, so it isn't uncommon to find water and mud inside of them.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

breton wrote:
>
> Thanks,
>
> I actually looked a little deeper in past messages and found a lot of
> posts consistent with your rec. It appears to just be difficult to
> shift into--no noise or anything.
>
> Best,
> Breton
>
> On Dec 27, 11:15 am, "Miguel Londono" <miguellond...@usa.net> wrote:
> > It's normal, my 93 YJ has always been like that, just double clutch until
> > the oil warms up and gets thinner, you could also try to use multigrade
> > synthetic oil with a lower number, the problem is the cold thick oil slows
> > the syncros...
> > Miguel Londono.
> >
> > "breton" <bret...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.goo glegroups.com...
> >
> > > Hi All,
> >
> > > I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> > > transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> > > it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> > > do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> > > Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> > > appreciated.
> >
> > > Best,
> > > Breton

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Fresh oil does them wonders. I noticed a large difference when I
switched to a semi-synthetic. Be sure you get the right type of fluid.

Jeeps also don't have a high water vent on the tranny for some strange
reason, so it isn't uncommon to find water and mud inside of them.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

breton wrote:
>
> Thanks,
>
> I actually looked a little deeper in past messages and found a lot of
> posts consistent with your rec. It appears to just be difficult to
> shift into--no noise or anything.
>
> Best,
> Breton
>
> On Dec 27, 11:15 am, "Miguel Londono" <miguellond...@usa.net> wrote:
> > It's normal, my 93 YJ has always been like that, just double clutch until
> > the oil warms up and gets thinner, you could also try to use multigrade
> > synthetic oil with a lower number, the problem is the cold thick oil slows
> > the syncros...
> > Miguel Londono.
> >
> > "breton" <bret...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167233098.537182.66670@73g2000cwn.goo glegroups.com...
> >
> > > Hi All,
> >
> > > I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> > > transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> > > it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> > > do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> > > Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> > > appreciated.
> >
> > > Best,
> > > Breton

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Hey dude,

I drained a quart of gear oil and added a quart of Lucas heavy duty
oil stabilizer. It doesn't completely eliminate the problem, but helps
shifting 'til the oil gets warmer.

Marty


breton wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Breton

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Hey dude,

I drained a quart of gear oil and added a quart of Lucas heavy duty
oil stabilizer. It doesn't completely eliminate the problem, but helps
shifting 'til the oil gets warmer.

Marty


breton wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Breton

Re: cold shift difficult from 1st to 2nd (1993 cherokee)
 

Hey dude,

I drained a quart of gear oil and added a quart of Lucas heavy duty
oil stabilizer. It doesn't completely eliminate the problem, but helps
shifting 'til the oil gets warmer.

Marty


breton wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I just took ownership of a 1993 jeep cherokee sport. The manual
> transmission is difficult to shift from 1st to 2nd in the morning. Once
> it is warmed up it is much better. One of the 1st things I'm going to
> do is change the gear oil. However, I'm concerned this won't fix it.
> Has anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Breton