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Joshua Nelson 10-31-2003 04:52 PM

Clear Gearz
 
Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
clear being near strong enough to do the job.

Matt 10-31-2003 05:05 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
JP magazine did a test on one where they ran it over, and it broke.

BUT, they said that it would not have broken if it had actually been
mounted.

I don't personally know of anybody who has one.

matt

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> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.



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Matt 10-31-2003 05:05 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
JP magazine did a test on one where they ran it over, and it broke.

BUT, they said that it would not have broken if it had actually been
mounted.

I don't personally know of anybody who has one.

matt

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> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.



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Matt 10-31-2003 05:05 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
JP magazine did a test on one where they ran it over, and it broke.

BUT, they said that it would not have broken if it had actually been
mounted.

I don't personally know of anybody who has one.

matt

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> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.



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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 10-31-2003 05:08 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
Trucks use sight glasses, but I surly wouldn't use one on the
trail.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 10-31-2003 05:08 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
Trucks use sight glasses, but I surly wouldn't use one on the
trail.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 10-31-2003 05:08 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
Trucks use sight glasses, but I surly wouldn't use one on the
trail.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.


Matt Macchiarolo 10-31-2003 05:09 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
In article <b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
>diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
>clear being near strong enough to do the job.


There was a "shootout" of diff covers recently in one of the mags. The "clear
gearz" cover was flexible and got crushed in their test (bolted it to a steel
plate and ran over it with a bulldozer), and they made the lamest claim..."if
there were gears behind it, the gears may have helped it to keep its shape." I
tend to be skeptical when a diff cover's propensity to crush and come in
contact with moving parts is touted as a "feature."

They're worthless IMO for 'wheeling, but are probably more at home on
trailer-queen show trucks.

And for some reason the name "clear gearz" reminds me of the accessory no one
should be without, "Truck Nutz."
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html





Matt Macchiarolo 10-31-2003 05:09 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
In article <b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
>diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
>clear being near strong enough to do the job.


There was a "shootout" of diff covers recently in one of the mags. The "clear
gearz" cover was flexible and got crushed in their test (bolted it to a steel
plate and ran over it with a bulldozer), and they made the lamest claim..."if
there were gears behind it, the gears may have helped it to keep its shape." I
tend to be skeptical when a diff cover's propensity to crush and come in
contact with moving parts is touted as a "feature."

They're worthless IMO for 'wheeling, but are probably more at home on
trailer-queen show trucks.

And for some reason the name "clear gearz" reminds me of the accessory no one
should be without, "Truck Nutz."
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html





Matt Macchiarolo 10-31-2003 05:09 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
In article <b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
>diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
>clear being near strong enough to do the job.


There was a "shootout" of diff covers recently in one of the mags. The "clear
gearz" cover was flexible and got crushed in their test (bolted it to a steel
plate and ran over it with a bulldozer), and they made the lamest claim..."if
there were gears behind it, the gears may have helped it to keep its shape." I
tend to be skeptical when a diff cover's propensity to crush and come in
contact with moving parts is touted as a "feature."

They're worthless IMO for 'wheeling, but are probably more at home on
trailer-queen show trucks.

And for some reason the name "clear gearz" reminds me of the accessory no one
should be without, "Truck Nutz."
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html





CRWLR 10-31-2003 05:12 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
I think you are smart to be skeptical here. Your diff cover needs to be able
to bend long before it will break. My diff covers have had the imprint of
the ring gears on them, so I think I have pretty good experience here. I now
have a diff guard so I don't get a new batch of ring gear marks, but the
point is, if I had a see through diff cover, I would have left a full load
of gear oil all over the trail on more than one occasion.




"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.



CRWLR 10-31-2003 05:12 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
I think you are smart to be skeptical here. Your diff cover needs to be able
to bend long before it will break. My diff covers have had the imprint of
the ring gears on them, so I think I have pretty good experience here. I now
have a diff guard so I don't get a new batch of ring gear marks, but the
point is, if I had a see through diff cover, I would have left a full load
of gear oil all over the trail on more than one occasion.




"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.



CRWLR 10-31-2003 05:12 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
I think you are smart to be skeptical here. Your diff cover needs to be able
to bend long before it will break. My diff covers have had the imprint of
the ring gears on them, so I think I have pretty good experience here. I now
have a diff guard so I don't get a new batch of ring gear marks, but the
point is, if I had a see through diff cover, I would have left a full load
of gear oil all over the trail on more than one occasion.




"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.



10-31-2003 05:29 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.


The clear covers are more than likely not as durable as a steel
couterpart; however, the bulldozer test isn't exactly a real world
scenario.

What about the clear diff covers with a guard as well? Something
like these: http://www.younger-bros.com/Diff%20Guard.htm or
your favorite brand/model?

This might provide the protection, but the clear cover would allow
the condition of the fluid to be visible.

Just a thought...



10-31-2003 05:29 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.


The clear covers are more than likely not as durable as a steel
couterpart; however, the bulldozer test isn't exactly a real world
scenario.

What about the clear diff covers with a guard as well? Something
like these: http://www.younger-bros.com/Diff%20Guard.htm or
your favorite brand/model?

This might provide the protection, but the clear cover would allow
the condition of the fluid to be visible.

Just a thought...



10-31-2003 05:29 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.


The clear covers are more than likely not as durable as a steel
couterpart; however, the bulldozer test isn't exactly a real world
scenario.

What about the clear diff covers with a guard as well? Something
like these: http://www.younger-bros.com/Diff%20Guard.htm or
your favorite brand/model?

This might provide the protection, but the clear cover would allow
the condition of the fluid to be visible.

Just a thought...



CRWLR 10-31-2003 05:46 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No. It
is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no pun
intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
on a Jeep.




<olllllllo@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bnBob.252$o5.140828854@newssvr11.news.prodigy .com...
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> > Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> > diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> > clear being near strong enough to do the job.

>
> The clear covers are more than likely not as durable as a steel
> couterpart; however, the bulldozer test isn't exactly a real world
> scenario.
>
> What about the clear diff covers with a guard as well? Something
> like these: http://www.younger-bros.com/Diff%20Guard.htm or
> your favorite brand/model?
>
> This might provide the protection, but the clear cover would allow
> the condition of the fluid to be visible.
>
> Just a thought...
>
>



CRWLR 10-31-2003 05:46 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No. It
is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no pun
intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
on a Jeep.




<olllllllo@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bnBob.252$o5.140828854@newssvr11.news.prodigy .com...
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> > Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> > diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> > clear being near strong enough to do the job.

>
> The clear covers are more than likely not as durable as a steel
> couterpart; however, the bulldozer test isn't exactly a real world
> scenario.
>
> What about the clear diff covers with a guard as well? Something
> like these: http://www.younger-bros.com/Diff%20Guard.htm or
> your favorite brand/model?
>
> This might provide the protection, but the clear cover would allow
> the condition of the fluid to be visible.
>
> Just a thought...
>
>



CRWLR 10-31-2003 05:46 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No. It
is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no pun
intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
on a Jeep.




<olllllllo@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bnBob.252$o5.140828854@newssvr11.news.prodigy .com...
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> > Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> > diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> > clear being near strong enough to do the job.

>
> The clear covers are more than likely not as durable as a steel
> couterpart; however, the bulldozer test isn't exactly a real world
> scenario.
>
> What about the clear diff covers with a guard as well? Something
> like these: http://www.younger-bros.com/Diff%20Guard.htm or
> your favorite brand/model?
>
> This might provide the protection, but the clear cover would allow
> the condition of the fluid to be visible.
>
> Just a thought...
>
>



DougW 10-31-2003 05:53 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
CRWLR did pass the time by typing:
> Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No. It
> is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no pun
> intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
> on a Jeep.


That and after the gear lube and suspended metal particles get sloshed
around it will become all hazed.



DougW 10-31-2003 05:53 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
CRWLR did pass the time by typing:
> Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No. It
> is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no pun
> intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
> on a Jeep.


That and after the gear lube and suspended metal particles get sloshed
around it will become all hazed.



DougW 10-31-2003 05:53 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
CRWLR did pass the time by typing:
> Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No. It
> is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no pun
> intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
> on a Jeep.


That and after the gear lube and suspended metal particles get sloshed
around it will become all hazed.



Fletcher 10-31-2003 06:08 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
I have a neat cover, it has a bolt that I remove that is big enough to stick
my finger in. If I feel oil it is good enough, if I can't feel oil I add
some. I just check it when I change my oil, and I have NEVER had a problem
with it. Now that I think about it I think we all have a cover just like
mine.




"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.





Fletcher 10-31-2003 06:08 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
I have a neat cover, it has a bolt that I remove that is big enough to stick
my finger in. If I feel oil it is good enough, if I can't feel oil I add
some. I just check it when I change my oil, and I have NEVER had a problem
with it. Now that I think about it I think we all have a cover just like
mine.




"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.





Fletcher 10-31-2003 06:08 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
I have a neat cover, it has a bolt that I remove that is big enough to stick
my finger in. If I feel oil it is good enough, if I can't feel oil I add
some. I just check it when I change my oil, and I have NEVER had a problem
with it. Now that I think about it I think we all have a cover just like
mine.




"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310311352.3e3872cb@posting.google.c om...
> Has anyone used the new product I see being advertised, the see-thru
> diff covers? It seems like a neat idea but I am skeptical of anything
> clear being near strong enough to do the job.





CRWLR 10-31-2003 06:18 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 

"Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
news:pKBob.82413$KB.72985@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com. ..
> I have a neat cover, it has a bolt that I remove that is big enough to

stick
> my finger in. If I feel oil it is good enough, if I can't feel oil I add
> some. I just check it when I change my oil, and I have NEVER had a

problem
> with it. Now that I think about it I think we all have a cover just like
> mine.
>
>



My biggest fear is that it stops leaking because this means it's empty.



CRWLR 10-31-2003 06:18 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 

"Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
news:pKBob.82413$KB.72985@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com. ..
> I have a neat cover, it has a bolt that I remove that is big enough to

stick
> my finger in. If I feel oil it is good enough, if I can't feel oil I add
> some. I just check it when I change my oil, and I have NEVER had a

problem
> with it. Now that I think about it I think we all have a cover just like
> mine.
>
>



My biggest fear is that it stops leaking because this means it's empty.



CRWLR 10-31-2003 06:18 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 

"Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
news:pKBob.82413$KB.72985@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com. ..
> I have a neat cover, it has a bolt that I remove that is big enough to

stick
> my finger in. If I feel oil it is good enough, if I can't feel oil I add
> some. I just check it when I change my oil, and I have NEVER had a

problem
> with it. Now that I think about it I think we all have a cover just like
> mine.
>
>



My biggest fear is that it stops leaking because this means it's empty.



10-31-2003 07:22 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vq5pkks8rm67b2@corp.supernews.com...
> Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No.

It
> is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no

pun
> intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
> on a Jeep.


Only benefit I could see (no pun intended :) ) is that after a water
crossing
you might be able to tell if the assembly was at risk or not. I can imagine
the value in that.

Otherwise, everything else about them is esoteric and non-viable to me as
well.



10-31-2003 07:22 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vq5pkks8rm67b2@corp.supernews.com...
> Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No.

It
> is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no

pun
> intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
> on a Jeep.


Only benefit I could see (no pun intended :) ) is that after a water
crossing
you might be able to tell if the assembly was at risk or not. I can imagine
the value in that.

Otherwise, everything else about them is esoteric and non-viable to me as
well.



10-31-2003 07:22 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vq5pkks8rm67b2@corp.supernews.com...
> Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No.

It
> is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no

pun
> intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
> on a Jeep.


Only benefit I could see (no pun intended :) ) is that after a water
crossing
you might be able to tell if the assembly was at risk or not. I can imagine
the value in that.

Otherwise, everything else about them is esoteric and non-viable to me as
well.



Lon Stowell 10-31-2003 07:38 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
Approximately 10/31/03 16:22, olllllllo@sbcglobal.net uttered for posterity:

> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vq5pkks8rm67b2@corp.supernews.com...
>> Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No.

> It
>> is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no

> pun
>> intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
>> on a Jeep.

>
> Only benefit I could see (no pun intended :) ) is that after a water
> crossing
> you might be able to tell if the assembly was at risk or not. I can imagine
> the value in that.
>
> Otherwise, everything else about them is esoteric and non-viable to me as
> well.


What are they made of? Lexan and a few other plastics are easily
robust enough, but would expect them to get all scratched up on
any real trail rig plus the internals might get all hazed over soon.

There *are* glasses easily stronger than steel, but they aren't known
for even the slightest amount of flex once they hit something at or
above their bustage rating.

Wonder if the things come with little neon lights you can put inside
the case for weekend road cruising?


--
My governor can kick your governor's ass


Lon Stowell 10-31-2003 07:38 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
Approximately 10/31/03 16:22, olllllllo@sbcglobal.net uttered for posterity:

> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vq5pkks8rm67b2@corp.supernews.com...
>> Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No.

> It
>> is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no

> pun
>> intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
>> on a Jeep.

>
> Only benefit I could see (no pun intended :) ) is that after a water
> crossing
> you might be able to tell if the assembly was at risk or not. I can imagine
> the value in that.
>
> Otherwise, everything else about them is esoteric and non-viable to me as
> well.


What are they made of? Lexan and a few other plastics are easily
robust enough, but would expect them to get all scratched up on
any real trail rig plus the internals might get all hazed over soon.

There *are* glasses easily stronger than steel, but they aren't known
for even the slightest amount of flex once they hit something at or
above their bustage rating.

Wonder if the things come with little neon lights you can put inside
the case for weekend road cruising?


--
My governor can kick your governor's ass


Lon Stowell 10-31-2003 07:38 PM

Re: Clear Gearz
 
Approximately 10/31/03 16:22, olllllllo@sbcglobal.net uttered for posterity:

> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vq5pkks8rm67b2@corp.supernews.com...
>> Is there really, I mean REALLY, a reason to have a clear diff cover? No.

> It
>> is a show 'n tell thing that has no place on a Real Jeep. It clearly, no

> pun
>> intended, has high overhead in terms of reliability and no viable function
>> on a Jeep.

>
> Only benefit I could see (no pun intended :) ) is that after a water
> crossing
> you might be able to tell if the assembly was at risk or not. I can imagine
> the value in that.
>
> Otherwise, everything else about them is esoteric and non-viable to me as
> well.


What are they made of? Lexan and a few other plastics are easily
robust enough, but would expect them to get all scratched up on
any real trail rig plus the internals might get all hazed over soon.

There *are* glasses easily stronger than steel, but they aren't known
for even the slightest amount of flex once they hit something at or
above their bustage rating.

Wonder if the things come with little neon lights you can put inside
the case for weekend road cruising?


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