cj-5 '73 new tub
 

I'm up in rural Alaska and can't shop except via the net so I could use
some help in deciding on a product. My old original tub is rotten so
needing a new one. I'm thinking fiberglass.. don't mind running a couple
extra ground wires. Fiberglass seems easier to work with... and I'm
concerned the metal ones are thinner than original and may not hold up
so well? Could be wrong on that. I do live next to the ocean (salt).

Anyone have favorite tubs and anything else to help steer me in a right
direction?

I have an aftermarket 'sports' roll bar that just bolts to the tub
fenderwells. Not a full cage, though wouldn't mind adding that. Not
handy with a welder, but can do a little. Have access to that and a good
shop.

appreciate any help.
thanks, JD

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

In <109tk39tlmku1eb@corp.supernews.com> jdory at gci dotnet wrote:
> I'm up in rural Alaska and can't shop except via the net so I could
> use some help in deciding on a product. My old original tub is rotten
> so needing a new one. I'm thinking fiberglass.. don't mind running a
> couple extra ground wires. Fiberglass seems easier to work with...
> and I'm concerned the metal ones are thinner than original and may
> not hold up so well? Could be wrong on that. I do live next to the
> ocean (salt).

Where in Alaska? I grew up in Cordova and now live in Anchorage. If
you end up going with a replacement steel tub you have to plan on
protecting it really well from the start or else it will just rust out
again. A coat or two of epoxy primer would be the least amount of
protection you want to give it, and pay particular attention to the
underbody. On the truck that I saved from rust I used herculiner on the
undersides of all the wheel wells in addition to a lot of POR-15 and
epoxy primer.

There are also aluminum tubs available which I would strongly consider,
but I would still use a lot of epoxy primer just in case and a layer of
sealant between any steel and aluminum parts to prevent dissimilar metal
corrosion. And use anti-sieze compound on the hardware. I replaced
most of the body bolts on my truck with stainless steel.

> I have an aftermarket 'sports' roll bar that just bolts to the tub
> fenderwells. Not a full cage, though wouldn't mind adding that. Not
> handy with a welder, but can do a little. Have access to that and a
> good shop.

You will definitely want to tie your roll bar into the frame, even if
you go with a steel tub. If you can get the mounts tacked to the frame,
you can then get somebody who IS good with a welder to finish it up for
you.

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Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

In <109tk39tlmku1eb@corp.supernews.com> jdory at gci dotnet wrote:
> I'm up in rural Alaska and can't shop except via the net so I could
> use some help in deciding on a product. My old original tub is rotten
> so needing a new one. I'm thinking fiberglass.. don't mind running a
> couple extra ground wires. Fiberglass seems easier to work with...
> and I'm concerned the metal ones are thinner than original and may
> not hold up so well? Could be wrong on that. I do live next to the
> ocean (salt).

Where in Alaska? I grew up in Cordova and now live in Anchorage. If
you end up going with a replacement steel tub you have to plan on
protecting it really well from the start or else it will just rust out
again. A coat or two of epoxy primer would be the least amount of
protection you want to give it, and pay particular attention to the
underbody. On the truck that I saved from rust I used herculiner on the
undersides of all the wheel wells in addition to a lot of POR-15 and
epoxy primer.

There are also aluminum tubs available which I would strongly consider,
but I would still use a lot of epoxy primer just in case and a layer of
sealant between any steel and aluminum parts to prevent dissimilar metal
corrosion. And use anti-sieze compound on the hardware. I replaced
most of the body bolts on my truck with stainless steel.

> I have an aftermarket 'sports' roll bar that just bolts to the tub
> fenderwells. Not a full cage, though wouldn't mind adding that. Not
> handy with a welder, but can do a little. Have access to that and a
> good shop.

You will definitely want to tie your roll bar into the frame, even if
you go with a steel tub. If you can get the mounts tacked to the frame,
you can then get somebody who IS good with a welder to finish it up for
you.

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Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

In <109tk39tlmku1eb@corp.supernews.com> jdory at gci dotnet wrote:
> I'm up in rural Alaska and can't shop except via the net so I could
> use some help in deciding on a product. My old original tub is rotten
> so needing a new one. I'm thinking fiberglass.. don't mind running a
> couple extra ground wires. Fiberglass seems easier to work with...
> and I'm concerned the metal ones are thinner than original and may
> not hold up so well? Could be wrong on that. I do live next to the
> ocean (salt).

Where in Alaska? I grew up in Cordova and now live in Anchorage. If
you end up going with a replacement steel tub you have to plan on
protecting it really well from the start or else it will just rust out
again. A coat or two of epoxy primer would be the least amount of
protection you want to give it, and pay particular attention to the
underbody. On the truck that I saved from rust I used herculiner on the
undersides of all the wheel wells in addition to a lot of POR-15 and
epoxy primer.

There are also aluminum tubs available which I would strongly consider,
but I would still use a lot of epoxy primer just in case and a layer of
sealant between any steel and aluminum parts to prevent dissimilar metal
corrosion. And use anti-sieze compound on the hardware. I replaced
most of the body bolts on my truck with stainless steel.

> I have an aftermarket 'sports' roll bar that just bolts to the tub
> fenderwells. Not a full cage, though wouldn't mind adding that. Not
> handy with a welder, but can do a little. Have access to that and a
> good shop.

You will definitely want to tie your roll bar into the frame, even if
you go with a steel tub. If you can get the mounts tacked to the frame,
you can then get somebody who IS good with a welder to finish it up for
you.

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Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

In <109tk39tlmku1eb@corp.supernews.com> jdory at gci dotnet wrote:
> I'm up in rural Alaska and can't shop except via the net so I could
> use some help in deciding on a product. My old original tub is rotten
> so needing a new one. I'm thinking fiberglass.. don't mind running a
> couple extra ground wires. Fiberglass seems easier to work with...
> and I'm concerned the metal ones are thinner than original and may
> not hold up so well? Could be wrong on that. I do live next to the
> ocean (salt).

Where in Alaska? I grew up in Cordova and now live in Anchorage. If
you end up going with a replacement steel tub you have to plan on
protecting it really well from the start or else it will just rust out
again. A coat or two of epoxy primer would be the least amount of
protection you want to give it, and pay particular attention to the
underbody. On the truck that I saved from rust I used herculiner on the
undersides of all the wheel wells in addition to a lot of POR-15 and
epoxy primer.

There are also aluminum tubs available which I would strongly consider,
but I would still use a lot of epoxy primer just in case and a layer of
sealant between any steel and aluminum parts to prevent dissimilar metal
corrosion. And use anti-sieze compound on the hardware. I replaced
most of the body bolts on my truck with stainless steel.

> I have an aftermarket 'sports' roll bar that just bolts to the tub
> fenderwells. Not a full cage, though wouldn't mind adding that. Not
> handy with a welder, but can do a little. Have access to that and a
> good shop.

You will definitely want to tie your roll bar into the frame, even if
you go with a steel tub. If you can get the mounts tacked to the frame,
you can then get somebody who IS good with a welder to finish it up for
you.

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Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
restoration. They told me that all of the repop steel tubs come from the
same plant in the Philippines, so the only variation is in whatever prep
the vendor does before sending the tub to you -- the tubs come to them in
a "one size fits, um, none of them exactly, really" flavor. W-O punches
some holes in places that you'll need them (like the heater box holes and
fuel filler), modifies some of the tub and front seat mounting points. I
still needed to add reinforcement for seat belts and some miscellaneous
small holes. OK, so a lot of small holes, like the feed-through hole for
my wiper harness.

You are correct about the steel quality -- it is neither as thick nor as
hard as the OEM metal used and it will rust at the drop of a hat if
exposed to moisture. On the other hand, fiberglass will shatter on
impact, so you pays your money and takes yer chances, rustable or
breakable. I don't know if it is still a problem but older glass tubs had
issues with the thickness of the firewall requiring modification to brake
and clutch linkages. Whatever your choice, keep your old tub as a
template until you are sure that you've drilled all the holes you need --
for instance, I spent a lot of time scratching my head trying to work out
just where the mounting brackets for my top bows should be.

Good luck!
On Sun, 9 May 2004, it was written:

> I'm up in rural Alaska and can't shop except via the net so I could use
> some help in deciding on a product. My old original tub is rotten so
> needing a new one. I'm thinking fiberglass.. don't mind running a couple
> extra ground wires. Fiberglass seems easier to work with... and I'm
> concerned the metal ones are thinner than original and may not hold up
> so well? Could be wrong on that. I do live next to the ocean (salt).
>
> Anyone have favorite tubs and anything else to help steer me in a right
> direction?

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
restoration. They told me that all of the repop steel tubs come from the
same plant in the Philippines, so the only variation is in whatever prep
the vendor does before sending the tub to you -- the tubs come to them in
a "one size fits, um, none of them exactly, really" flavor. W-O punches
some holes in places that you'll need them (like the heater box holes and
fuel filler), modifies some of the tub and front seat mounting points. I
still needed to add reinforcement for seat belts and some miscellaneous
small holes. OK, so a lot of small holes, like the feed-through hole for
my wiper harness.

You are correct about the steel quality -- it is neither as thick nor as
hard as the OEM metal used and it will rust at the drop of a hat if
exposed to moisture. On the other hand, fiberglass will shatter on
impact, so you pays your money and takes yer chances, rustable or
breakable. I don't know if it is still a problem but older glass tubs had
issues with the thickness of the firewall requiring modification to brake
and clutch linkages. Whatever your choice, keep your old tub as a
template until you are sure that you've drilled all the holes you need --
for instance, I spent a lot of time scratching my head trying to work out
just where the mounting brackets for my top bows should be.

Good luck!
On Sun, 9 May 2004, it was written:

> I'm up in rural Alaska and can't shop except via the net so I could use
> some help in deciding on a product. My old original tub is rotten so
> needing a new one. I'm thinking fiberglass.. don't mind running a couple
> extra ground wires. Fiberglass seems easier to work with... and I'm
> concerned the metal ones are thinner than original and may not hold up
> so well? Could be wrong on that. I do live next to the ocean (salt).
>
> Anyone have favorite tubs and anything else to help steer me in a right
> direction?

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
restoration. They told me that all of the repop steel tubs come from the
same plant in the Philippines, so the only variation is in whatever prep
the vendor does before sending the tub to you -- the tubs come to them in
a "one size fits, um, none of them exactly, really" flavor. W-O punches
some holes in places that you'll need them (like the heater box holes and
fuel filler), modifies some of the tub and front seat mounting points. I
still needed to add reinforcement for seat belts and some miscellaneous
small holes. OK, so a lot of small holes, like the feed-through hole for
my wiper harness.

You are correct about the steel quality -- it is neither as thick nor as
hard as the OEM metal used and it will rust at the drop of a hat if
exposed to moisture. On the other hand, fiberglass will shatter on
impact, so you pays your money and takes yer chances, rustable or
breakable. I don't know if it is still a problem but older glass tubs had
issues with the thickness of the firewall requiring modification to brake
and clutch linkages. Whatever your choice, keep your old tub as a
template until you are sure that you've drilled all the holes you need --
for instance, I spent a lot of time scratching my head trying to work out
just where the mounting brackets for my top bows should be.

Good luck!
On Sun, 9 May 2004, it was written:

> I'm up in rural Alaska and can't shop except via the net so I could use
> some help in deciding on a product. My old original tub is rotten so
> needing a new one. I'm thinking fiberglass.. don't mind running a couple
> extra ground wires. Fiberglass seems easier to work with... and I'm
> concerned the metal ones are thinner than original and may not hold up
> so well? Could be wrong on that. I do live next to the ocean (salt).
>
> Anyone have favorite tubs and anything else to help steer me in a right
> direction?

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
restoration. They told me that all of the repop steel tubs come from the
same plant in the Philippines, so the only variation is in whatever prep
the vendor does before sending the tub to you -- the tubs come to them in
a "one size fits, um, none of them exactly, really" flavor. W-O punches
some holes in places that you'll need them (like the heater box holes and
fuel filler), modifies some of the tub and front seat mounting points. I
still needed to add reinforcement for seat belts and some miscellaneous
small holes. OK, so a lot of small holes, like the feed-through hole for
my wiper harness.

You are correct about the steel quality -- it is neither as thick nor as
hard as the OEM metal used and it will rust at the drop of a hat if
exposed to moisture. On the other hand, fiberglass will shatter on
impact, so you pays your money and takes yer chances, rustable or
breakable. I don't know if it is still a problem but older glass tubs had
issues with the thickness of the firewall requiring modification to brake
and clutch linkages. Whatever your choice, keep your old tub as a
template until you are sure that you've drilled all the holes you need --
for instance, I spent a lot of time scratching my head trying to work out
just where the mounting brackets for my top bows should be.

Good luck!
On Sun, 9 May 2004, it was written:

> I'm up in rural Alaska and can't shop except via the net so I could use
> some help in deciding on a product. My old original tub is rotten so
> needing a new one. I'm thinking fiberglass.. don't mind running a couple
> extra ground wires. Fiberglass seems easier to work with... and I'm
> concerned the metal ones are thinner than original and may not hold up
> so well? Could be wrong on that. I do live next to the ocean (salt).
>
> Anyone have favorite tubs and anything else to help steer me in a right
> direction?

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Del Rawlins wrote:
> >
>
> Where in Alaska? I grew up in Cordova and now live in Anchorage. If
> you end up going with a replacement steel tub you have to plan on
> protecting it really well from the start or else it will just rust out
> again. A coat or two of epoxy primer would be the least amount of
> protection you want to give it, and pay particular attention to the
> underbody. On the truck that I saved from rust I used herculiner on the
> undersides of all the wheel wells in addition to a lot of POR-15 and

I'm in Nome. Have to fly or barge whatever I get here.. kinda sucks.


>
> There are also aluminum tubs available which I would strongly consider,
> but I would still use a lot of epoxy primer just in case and a layer of
> sealant between any steel and aluminum parts to prevent dissimilar metal
> corrosion.


I took a look at some aluminum tubs on the net and they seemed to be for
later models.. '76 and up. They're pricey, but if worth it I could
consider them. I did build a boat using wood, fiberglass, and epoxy so I
have some experience there.. fiberglass.


>
>
> You will definitely want to tie your roll bar into the frame, even if
> you go with a steel tub. If you can get the mounts tacked to the frame,
> you can then get somebody who IS good with a welder to finish it up for
> you.

Yeah.. never felt too safe as it is.

Where do you get your stuff? I also need a supertop, but hate the
4wd.com shipping prices to Alaska.

cheers, JIm

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Del Rawlins wrote:
> >
>
> Where in Alaska? I grew up in Cordova and now live in Anchorage. If
> you end up going with a replacement steel tub you have to plan on
> protecting it really well from the start or else it will just rust out
> again. A coat or two of epoxy primer would be the least amount of
> protection you want to give it, and pay particular attention to the
> underbody. On the truck that I saved from rust I used herculiner on the
> undersides of all the wheel wells in addition to a lot of POR-15 and

I'm in Nome. Have to fly or barge whatever I get here.. kinda sucks.


>
> There are also aluminum tubs available which I would strongly consider,
> but I would still use a lot of epoxy primer just in case and a layer of
> sealant between any steel and aluminum parts to prevent dissimilar metal
> corrosion.


I took a look at some aluminum tubs on the net and they seemed to be for
later models.. '76 and up. They're pricey, but if worth it I could
consider them. I did build a boat using wood, fiberglass, and epoxy so I
have some experience there.. fiberglass.


>
>
> You will definitely want to tie your roll bar into the frame, even if
> you go with a steel tub. If you can get the mounts tacked to the frame,
> you can then get somebody who IS good with a welder to finish it up for
> you.

Yeah.. never felt too safe as it is.

Where do you get your stuff? I also need a supertop, but hate the
4wd.com shipping prices to Alaska.

cheers, JIm

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Del Rawlins wrote:
> >
>
> Where in Alaska? I grew up in Cordova and now live in Anchorage. If
> you end up going with a replacement steel tub you have to plan on
> protecting it really well from the start or else it will just rust out
> again. A coat or two of epoxy primer would be the least amount of
> protection you want to give it, and pay particular attention to the
> underbody. On the truck that I saved from rust I used herculiner on the
> undersides of all the wheel wells in addition to a lot of POR-15 and

I'm in Nome. Have to fly or barge whatever I get here.. kinda sucks.


>
> There are also aluminum tubs available which I would strongly consider,
> but I would still use a lot of epoxy primer just in case and a layer of
> sealant between any steel and aluminum parts to prevent dissimilar metal
> corrosion.


I took a look at some aluminum tubs on the net and they seemed to be for
later models.. '76 and up. They're pricey, but if worth it I could
consider them. I did build a boat using wood, fiberglass, and epoxy so I
have some experience there.. fiberglass.


>
>
> You will definitely want to tie your roll bar into the frame, even if
> you go with a steel tub. If you can get the mounts tacked to the frame,
> you can then get somebody who IS good with a welder to finish it up for
> you.

Yeah.. never felt too safe as it is.

Where do you get your stuff? I also need a supertop, but hate the
4wd.com shipping prices to Alaska.

cheers, JIm

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Del Rawlins wrote:
> >
>
> Where in Alaska? I grew up in Cordova and now live in Anchorage. If
> you end up going with a replacement steel tub you have to plan on
> protecting it really well from the start or else it will just rust out
> again. A coat or two of epoxy primer would be the least amount of
> protection you want to give it, and pay particular attention to the
> underbody. On the truck that I saved from rust I used herculiner on the
> undersides of all the wheel wells in addition to a lot of POR-15 and

I'm in Nome. Have to fly or barge whatever I get here.. kinda sucks.


>
> There are also aluminum tubs available which I would strongly consider,
> but I would still use a lot of epoxy primer just in case and a layer of
> sealant between any steel and aluminum parts to prevent dissimilar metal
> corrosion.


I took a look at some aluminum tubs on the net and they seemed to be for
later models.. '76 and up. They're pricey, but if worth it I could
consider them. I did build a boat using wood, fiberglass, and epoxy so I
have some experience there.. fiberglass.


>
>
> You will definitely want to tie your roll bar into the frame, even if
> you go with a steel tub. If you can get the mounts tacked to the frame,
> you can then get somebody who IS good with a welder to finish it up for
> you.

Yeah.. never felt too safe as it is.

Where do you get your stuff? I also need a supertop, but hate the
4wd.com shipping prices to Alaska.

cheers, JIm

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> restoration.
>
> You are correct about the steel quality -- it is neither as thick nor as
> hard as the OEM metal used and it will rust at the drop of a hat if
> exposed to moisture. On the other hand, fiberglass will shatter on
> impact, so you pays your money and takes yer chances, rustable or
> breakable. I don't know if it is still a problem but older glass tubs had
> issues with the thickness of the firewall requiring modification to brake
> and clutch linkages. Whatever your choice, keep your old tub as a
> template until you are sure that you've drilled all the holes you need --
> for instance, I spent a lot of time scratching my head trying to work out
> just where the mounting brackets for my top bows should be.
>
> Good luck!


Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-

cheers, Jim

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> restoration.
>
> You are correct about the steel quality -- it is neither as thick nor as
> hard as the OEM metal used and it will rust at the drop of a hat if
> exposed to moisture. On the other hand, fiberglass will shatter on
> impact, so you pays your money and takes yer chances, rustable or
> breakable. I don't know if it is still a problem but older glass tubs had
> issues with the thickness of the firewall requiring modification to brake
> and clutch linkages. Whatever your choice, keep your old tub as a
> template until you are sure that you've drilled all the holes you need --
> for instance, I spent a lot of time scratching my head trying to work out
> just where the mounting brackets for my top bows should be.
>
> Good luck!


Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-

cheers, Jim

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> restoration.
>
> You are correct about the steel quality -- it is neither as thick nor as
> hard as the OEM metal used and it will rust at the drop of a hat if
> exposed to moisture. On the other hand, fiberglass will shatter on
> impact, so you pays your money and takes yer chances, rustable or
> breakable. I don't know if it is still a problem but older glass tubs had
> issues with the thickness of the firewall requiring modification to brake
> and clutch linkages. Whatever your choice, keep your old tub as a
> template until you are sure that you've drilled all the holes you need --
> for instance, I spent a lot of time scratching my head trying to work out
> just where the mounting brackets for my top bows should be.
>
> Good luck!


Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-

cheers, Jim

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> restoration.
>
> You are correct about the steel quality -- it is neither as thick nor as
> hard as the OEM metal used and it will rust at the drop of a hat if
> exposed to moisture. On the other hand, fiberglass will shatter on
> impact, so you pays your money and takes yer chances, rustable or
> breakable. I don't know if it is still a problem but older glass tubs had
> issues with the thickness of the firewall requiring modification to brake
> and clutch linkages. Whatever your choice, keep your old tub as a
> template until you are sure that you've drilled all the holes you need --
> for instance, I spent a lot of time scratching my head trying to work out
> just where the mounting brackets for my top bows should be.
>
> Good luck!


Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-

cheers, Jim

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

In <10a0v52b0g8uv7f@corp.supernews.com> jdory at gci dotnet wrote:

> I'm in Nome. Have to fly or barge whatever I get here.. kinda sucks.

Yeah, that's the way Cordova is. Bad for shipping large items in,
unless of course you are in the shipping business as I was. 8^)

> I took a look at some aluminum tubs on the net and they seemed to be
> for later models.. '76 and up. They're pricey, but if worth it I
> could consider them. I did build a boat using wood, fiberglass, and
> epoxy so I have some experience there.. fiberglass.

I forgot about that. They changed the tubs in '76 so you are in the
same boat as I am with my '70 CJ-5, if I ever get around to doing
anything with it. IIRC the front fenders and hood are the same from '72
onward. I have built a couple of small boats using those same materials.
One thing to keep in mind is that if you buy a glass tub it will most
likely be made using polyester resin rather than epoxy so you can expect
the gelcoat to develop fine cracks as it ages, but you probably knew
that already.

> Where do you get your stuff? I also need a supertop, but hate the
> 4wd.com shipping prices to Alaska.

All of the big/heavy parts on my Jeep were shipped up via barge when I
was in Cordova, but I got a really good deal on shipping through work at
the time so I can't be of much help to you. Getting big stuff up from
outside is now a major hassle for me, as it is for most other Alaskans.
I bought a sheet metal brake last fall and then the person who was going
to bring it up in his trailer had to change his plans, so I'm still
waiting to get it up here.

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Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

In <10a0v52b0g8uv7f@corp.supernews.com> jdory at gci dotnet wrote:

> I'm in Nome. Have to fly or barge whatever I get here.. kinda sucks.

Yeah, that's the way Cordova is. Bad for shipping large items in,
unless of course you are in the shipping business as I was. 8^)

> I took a look at some aluminum tubs on the net and they seemed to be
> for later models.. '76 and up. They're pricey, but if worth it I
> could consider them. I did build a boat using wood, fiberglass, and
> epoxy so I have some experience there.. fiberglass.

I forgot about that. They changed the tubs in '76 so you are in the
same boat as I am with my '70 CJ-5, if I ever get around to doing
anything with it. IIRC the front fenders and hood are the same from '72
onward. I have built a couple of small boats using those same materials.
One thing to keep in mind is that if you buy a glass tub it will most
likely be made using polyester resin rather than epoxy so you can expect
the gelcoat to develop fine cracks as it ages, but you probably knew
that already.

> Where do you get your stuff? I also need a supertop, but hate the
> 4wd.com shipping prices to Alaska.

All of the big/heavy parts on my Jeep were shipped up via barge when I
was in Cordova, but I got a really good deal on shipping through work at
the time so I can't be of much help to you. Getting big stuff up from
outside is now a major hassle for me, as it is for most other Alaskans.
I bought a sheet metal brake last fall and then the person who was going
to bring it up in his trailer had to change his plans, so I'm still
waiting to get it up here.

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Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

In <10a0v52b0g8uv7f@corp.supernews.com> jdory at gci dotnet wrote:

> I'm in Nome. Have to fly or barge whatever I get here.. kinda sucks.

Yeah, that's the way Cordova is. Bad for shipping large items in,
unless of course you are in the shipping business as I was. 8^)

> I took a look at some aluminum tubs on the net and they seemed to be
> for later models.. '76 and up. They're pricey, but if worth it I
> could consider them. I did build a boat using wood, fiberglass, and
> epoxy so I have some experience there.. fiberglass.

I forgot about that. They changed the tubs in '76 so you are in the
same boat as I am with my '70 CJ-5, if I ever get around to doing
anything with it. IIRC the front fenders and hood are the same from '72
onward. I have built a couple of small boats using those same materials.
One thing to keep in mind is that if you buy a glass tub it will most
likely be made using polyester resin rather than epoxy so you can expect
the gelcoat to develop fine cracks as it ages, but you probably knew
that already.

> Where do you get your stuff? I also need a supertop, but hate the
> 4wd.com shipping prices to Alaska.

All of the big/heavy parts on my Jeep were shipped up via barge when I
was in Cordova, but I got a really good deal on shipping through work at
the time so I can't be of much help to you. Getting big stuff up from
outside is now a major hassle for me, as it is for most other Alaskans.
I bought a sheet metal brake last fall and then the person who was going
to bring it up in his trailer had to change his plans, so I'm still
waiting to get it up here.

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Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

In <10a0v52b0g8uv7f@corp.supernews.com> jdory at gci dotnet wrote:

> I'm in Nome. Have to fly or barge whatever I get here.. kinda sucks.

Yeah, that's the way Cordova is. Bad for shipping large items in,
unless of course you are in the shipping business as I was. 8^)

> I took a look at some aluminum tubs on the net and they seemed to be
> for later models.. '76 and up. They're pricey, but if worth it I
> could consider them. I did build a boat using wood, fiberglass, and
> epoxy so I have some experience there.. fiberglass.

I forgot about that. They changed the tubs in '76 so you are in the
same boat as I am with my '70 CJ-5, if I ever get around to doing
anything with it. IIRC the front fenders and hood are the same from '72
onward. I have built a couple of small boats using those same materials.
One thing to keep in mind is that if you buy a glass tub it will most
likely be made using polyester resin rather than epoxy so you can expect
the gelcoat to develop fine cracks as it ages, but you probably knew
that already.

> Where do you get your stuff? I also need a supertop, but hate the
> 4wd.com shipping prices to Alaska.

All of the big/heavy parts on my Jeep were shipped up via barge when I
was in Cordova, but I got a really good deal on shipping through work at
the time so I can't be of much help to you. Getting big stuff up from
outside is now a major hassle for me, as it is for most other Alaskans.
I bought a sheet metal brake last fall and then the person who was going
to bring it up in his trailer had to change his plans, so I'm still
waiting to get it up here.

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Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

On Mon, 10 May 2004, it was written:

> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> > restoration.

[snip comments]

> Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-

Very happy, thanks. W-O did save me a certain amount of hand work and
hair-pulling, but my warning about saving the old tub as a template came
from experience. Even though I had read warnings, I had foolishly dumped
the remaining fragments of my old tub -- the ones that hadn't already
returned to the earth they came from. I didn't try to do a faithful
restoration since the repop tub isn't an _exact_ duplicate of the original
sheet metal (the Phillipine tubs are less detailed, one fewer set of
ridges around the gas filler dimple by the door, for instance), but as
vintage parts came my way I added them for detail, like an OEM optional
cigar lighter and mounting bracket. My guy at the local alignment shop
nearly wet himself when I brought the CJ in. He'd worked in a Jeep
dealership in the late 1970s and when he hopped in had some weird -- but
happy -- flashbacks. He said that it even _smelled_ new. He was also
kinda awestruck when he had it up on the lift and saw how much attention
to detail there is there and was the third person to suggest that I take
it to some shows. I dunno `bout that but I'm thinking that a couple of
local cruise nights might be fun. I've got a scrap book of "in progress"
snapshots that I call "Not a restoration but an amazingly life-like
recreation!" It is.

I put plates on it last month and drove it for the first time in roughly a
decade. Great fun, except.... On the second outing it came home on a
hook. I'd forgotten that I'd never properly timed the ignition and it
seems that it was running mostly on goodwill and an eagerness to get out
of the garage. Halfway up the first hill on the way home it bagged out
and died. When I put a proper light on it it was so far off that I
couldn't even see the timing mark. Oops. It's running fine now.

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

On Mon, 10 May 2004, it was written:

> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> > restoration.

[snip comments]

> Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-

Very happy, thanks. W-O did save me a certain amount of hand work and
hair-pulling, but my warning about saving the old tub as a template came
from experience. Even though I had read warnings, I had foolishly dumped
the remaining fragments of my old tub -- the ones that hadn't already
returned to the earth they came from. I didn't try to do a faithful
restoration since the repop tub isn't an _exact_ duplicate of the original
sheet metal (the Phillipine tubs are less detailed, one fewer set of
ridges around the gas filler dimple by the door, for instance), but as
vintage parts came my way I added them for detail, like an OEM optional
cigar lighter and mounting bracket. My guy at the local alignment shop
nearly wet himself when I brought the CJ in. He'd worked in a Jeep
dealership in the late 1970s and when he hopped in had some weird -- but
happy -- flashbacks. He said that it even _smelled_ new. He was also
kinda awestruck when he had it up on the lift and saw how much attention
to detail there is there and was the third person to suggest that I take
it to some shows. I dunno `bout that but I'm thinking that a couple of
local cruise nights might be fun. I've got a scrap book of "in progress"
snapshots that I call "Not a restoration but an amazingly life-like
recreation!" It is.

I put plates on it last month and drove it for the first time in roughly a
decade. Great fun, except.... On the second outing it came home on a
hook. I'd forgotten that I'd never properly timed the ignition and it
seems that it was running mostly on goodwill and an eagerness to get out
of the garage. Halfway up the first hill on the way home it bagged out
and died. When I put a proper light on it it was so far off that I
couldn't even see the timing mark. Oops. It's running fine now.

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

On Mon, 10 May 2004, it was written:

> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> > restoration.

[snip comments]

> Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-

Very happy, thanks. W-O did save me a certain amount of hand work and
hair-pulling, but my warning about saving the old tub as a template came
from experience. Even though I had read warnings, I had foolishly dumped
the remaining fragments of my old tub -- the ones that hadn't already
returned to the earth they came from. I didn't try to do a faithful
restoration since the repop tub isn't an _exact_ duplicate of the original
sheet metal (the Phillipine tubs are less detailed, one fewer set of
ridges around the gas filler dimple by the door, for instance), but as
vintage parts came my way I added them for detail, like an OEM optional
cigar lighter and mounting bracket. My guy at the local alignment shop
nearly wet himself when I brought the CJ in. He'd worked in a Jeep
dealership in the late 1970s and when he hopped in had some weird -- but
happy -- flashbacks. He said that it even _smelled_ new. He was also
kinda awestruck when he had it up on the lift and saw how much attention
to detail there is there and was the third person to suggest that I take
it to some shows. I dunno `bout that but I'm thinking that a couple of
local cruise nights might be fun. I've got a scrap book of "in progress"
snapshots that I call "Not a restoration but an amazingly life-like
recreation!" It is.

I put plates on it last month and drove it for the first time in roughly a
decade. Great fun, except.... On the second outing it came home on a
hook. I'd forgotten that I'd never properly timed the ignition and it
seems that it was running mostly on goodwill and an eagerness to get out
of the garage. Halfway up the first hill on the way home it bagged out
and died. When I put a proper light on it it was so far off that I
couldn't even see the timing mark. Oops. It's running fine now.

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

On Mon, 10 May 2004, it was written:

> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> > restoration.

[snip comments]

> Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-

Very happy, thanks. W-O did save me a certain amount of hand work and
hair-pulling, but my warning about saving the old tub as a template came
from experience. Even though I had read warnings, I had foolishly dumped
the remaining fragments of my old tub -- the ones that hadn't already
returned to the earth they came from. I didn't try to do a faithful
restoration since the repop tub isn't an _exact_ duplicate of the original
sheet metal (the Phillipine tubs are less detailed, one fewer set of
ridges around the gas filler dimple by the door, for instance), but as
vintage parts came my way I added them for detail, like an OEM optional
cigar lighter and mounting bracket. My guy at the local alignment shop
nearly wet himself when I brought the CJ in. He'd worked in a Jeep
dealership in the late 1970s and when he hopped in had some weird -- but
happy -- flashbacks. He said that it even _smelled_ new. He was also
kinda awestruck when he had it up on the lift and saw how much attention
to detail there is there and was the third person to suggest that I take
it to some shows. I dunno `bout that but I'm thinking that a couple of
local cruise nights might be fun. I've got a scrap book of "in progress"
snapshots that I call "Not a restoration but an amazingly life-like
recreation!" It is.

I put plates on it last month and drove it for the first time in roughly a
decade. Great fun, except.... On the second outing it came home on a
hook. I'd forgotten that I'd never properly timed the ignition and it
seems that it was running mostly on goodwill and an eagerness to get out
of the garage. Halfway up the first hill on the way home it bagged out
and died. When I put a proper light on it it was so far off that I
couldn't even see the timing mark. Oops. It's running fine now.

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Lee,

I'm sitting here reading your post laughing, nodding and saying "yup, yup
been there"!

In a moment of total madness I hauled a ratty '76 CJ5 out of a chiken coop
two years ago and dragged it home. On the good side, no rust and it had a
tailgate, which is somewhat rare on post 76 CJ5s. On the negative side was
everything else! What a load, four days after making a punch list of
everything it needed I should have pushed it off a local cliff and filed an
insurance claim, but NO! Soon to come was a rear end overhaul, one piece
axles, new engine, clutch, seats, top fenders, grille, windshield frame &
glass, dash panel, suspension, tires, bumpers, front turn signal lights,
marker & tail lights, wiring, gauges, steering box, shaft & wheel, turn
signal switch & lever, starter, battery, alternator, DUI distributor, Weber
carb, all new brakes, exhaust system, roll cage, strip to the metal, body
resto & paint.

Having no one around here to save me from myself, I now have a pristine CJ5
worth maybe 1/3 of what I have in it! It's impossible to call it a
restoration because so many of the original components had been replaced,
butchered, etc. However, it trully is fun, even to just park by the house &
watch people oggle it.

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405191147020.1254@panix2.panix .com...
> On Mon, 10 May 2004, it was written:
>
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> > > restoration.
>
> [snip comments]
>
> > Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-
>
> Very happy, thanks. W-O did save me a certain amount of hand work and
> hair-pulling, but my warning about saving the old tub as a template came
> from experience. Even though I had read warnings, I had foolishly dumped
> the remaining fragments of my old tub -- the ones that hadn't already
> returned to the earth they came from. I didn't try to do a faithful
> restoration since the repop tub isn't an _exact_ duplicate of the original
> sheet metal (the Phillipine tubs are less detailed, one fewer set of
> ridges around the gas filler dimple by the door, for instance), but as
> vintage parts came my way I added them for detail, like an OEM optional
> cigar lighter and mounting bracket. My guy at the local alignment shop
> nearly wet himself when I brought the CJ in. He'd worked in a Jeep
> dealership in the late 1970s and when he hopped in had some weird -- but
> happy -- flashbacks. He said that it even _smelled_ new. He was also
> kinda awestruck when he had it up on the lift and saw how much attention
> to detail there is there and was the third person to suggest that I take
> it to some shows. I dunno `bout that but I'm thinking that a couple of
> local cruise nights might be fun. I've got a scrap book of "in progress"
> snapshots that I call "Not a restoration but an amazingly life-like
> recreation!" It is.
>
> I put plates on it last month and drove it for the first time in roughly a
> decade. Great fun, except.... On the second outing it came home on a
> hook. I'd forgotten that I'd never properly timed the ignition and it
> seems that it was running mostly on goodwill and an eagerness to get out
> of the garage. Halfway up the first hill on the way home it bagged out
> and died. When I put a proper light on it it was so far off that I
> couldn't even see the timing mark. Oops. It's running fine now.
>
>

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Lee,

I'm sitting here reading your post laughing, nodding and saying "yup, yup
been there"!

In a moment of total madness I hauled a ratty '76 CJ5 out of a chiken coop
two years ago and dragged it home. On the good side, no rust and it had a
tailgate, which is somewhat rare on post 76 CJ5s. On the negative side was
everything else! What a load, four days after making a punch list of
everything it needed I should have pushed it off a local cliff and filed an
insurance claim, but NO! Soon to come was a rear end overhaul, one piece
axles, new engine, clutch, seats, top fenders, grille, windshield frame &
glass, dash panel, suspension, tires, bumpers, front turn signal lights,
marker & tail lights, wiring, gauges, steering box, shaft & wheel, turn
signal switch & lever, starter, battery, alternator, DUI distributor, Weber
carb, all new brakes, exhaust system, roll cage, strip to the metal, body
resto & paint.

Having no one around here to save me from myself, I now have a pristine CJ5
worth maybe 1/3 of what I have in it! It's impossible to call it a
restoration because so many of the original components had been replaced,
butchered, etc. However, it trully is fun, even to just park by the house &
watch people oggle it.

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405191147020.1254@panix2.panix .com...
> On Mon, 10 May 2004, it was written:
>
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> > > restoration.
>
> [snip comments]
>
> > Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-
>
> Very happy, thanks. W-O did save me a certain amount of hand work and
> hair-pulling, but my warning about saving the old tub as a template came
> from experience. Even though I had read warnings, I had foolishly dumped
> the remaining fragments of my old tub -- the ones that hadn't already
> returned to the earth they came from. I didn't try to do a faithful
> restoration since the repop tub isn't an _exact_ duplicate of the original
> sheet metal (the Phillipine tubs are less detailed, one fewer set of
> ridges around the gas filler dimple by the door, for instance), but as
> vintage parts came my way I added them for detail, like an OEM optional
> cigar lighter and mounting bracket. My guy at the local alignment shop
> nearly wet himself when I brought the CJ in. He'd worked in a Jeep
> dealership in the late 1970s and when he hopped in had some weird -- but
> happy -- flashbacks. He said that it even _smelled_ new. He was also
> kinda awestruck when he had it up on the lift and saw how much attention
> to detail there is there and was the third person to suggest that I take
> it to some shows. I dunno `bout that but I'm thinking that a couple of
> local cruise nights might be fun. I've got a scrap book of "in progress"
> snapshots that I call "Not a restoration but an amazingly life-like
> recreation!" It is.
>
> I put plates on it last month and drove it for the first time in roughly a
> decade. Great fun, except.... On the second outing it came home on a
> hook. I'd forgotten that I'd never properly timed the ignition and it
> seems that it was running mostly on goodwill and an eagerness to get out
> of the garage. Halfway up the first hill on the way home it bagged out
> and died. When I put a proper light on it it was so far off that I
> couldn't even see the timing mark. Oops. It's running fine now.
>
>

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Lee,

I'm sitting here reading your post laughing, nodding and saying "yup, yup
been there"!

In a moment of total madness I hauled a ratty '76 CJ5 out of a chiken coop
two years ago and dragged it home. On the good side, no rust and it had a
tailgate, which is somewhat rare on post 76 CJ5s. On the negative side was
everything else! What a load, four days after making a punch list of
everything it needed I should have pushed it off a local cliff and filed an
insurance claim, but NO! Soon to come was a rear end overhaul, one piece
axles, new engine, clutch, seats, top fenders, grille, windshield frame &
glass, dash panel, suspension, tires, bumpers, front turn signal lights,
marker & tail lights, wiring, gauges, steering box, shaft & wheel, turn
signal switch & lever, starter, battery, alternator, DUI distributor, Weber
carb, all new brakes, exhaust system, roll cage, strip to the metal, body
resto & paint.

Having no one around here to save me from myself, I now have a pristine CJ5
worth maybe 1/3 of what I have in it! It's impossible to call it a
restoration because so many of the original components had been replaced,
butchered, etc. However, it trully is fun, even to just park by the house &
watch people oggle it.

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405191147020.1254@panix2.panix .com...
> On Mon, 10 May 2004, it was written:
>
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> > > restoration.
>
> [snip comments]
>
> > Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-
>
> Very happy, thanks. W-O did save me a certain amount of hand work and
> hair-pulling, but my warning about saving the old tub as a template came
> from experience. Even though I had read warnings, I had foolishly dumped
> the remaining fragments of my old tub -- the ones that hadn't already
> returned to the earth they came from. I didn't try to do a faithful
> restoration since the repop tub isn't an _exact_ duplicate of the original
> sheet metal (the Phillipine tubs are less detailed, one fewer set of
> ridges around the gas filler dimple by the door, for instance), but as
> vintage parts came my way I added them for detail, like an OEM optional
> cigar lighter and mounting bracket. My guy at the local alignment shop
> nearly wet himself when I brought the CJ in. He'd worked in a Jeep
> dealership in the late 1970s and when he hopped in had some weird -- but
> happy -- flashbacks. He said that it even _smelled_ new. He was also
> kinda awestruck when he had it up on the lift and saw how much attention
> to detail there is there and was the third person to suggest that I take
> it to some shows. I dunno `bout that but I'm thinking that a couple of
> local cruise nights might be fun. I've got a scrap book of "in progress"
> snapshots that I call "Not a restoration but an amazingly life-like
> recreation!" It is.
>
> I put plates on it last month and drove it for the first time in roughly a
> decade. Great fun, except.... On the second outing it came home on a
> hook. I'd forgotten that I'd never properly timed the ignition and it
> seems that it was running mostly on goodwill and an eagerness to get out
> of the garage. Halfway up the first hill on the way home it bagged out
> and died. When I put a proper light on it it was so far off that I
> couldn't even see the timing mark. Oops. It's running fine now.
>
>

Re: cj-5 '73 new tub
 

Lee,

I'm sitting here reading your post laughing, nodding and saying "yup, yup
been there"!

In a moment of total madness I hauled a ratty '76 CJ5 out of a chiken coop
two years ago and dragged it home. On the good side, no rust and it had a
tailgate, which is somewhat rare on post 76 CJ5s. On the negative side was
everything else! What a load, four days after making a punch list of
everything it needed I should have pushed it off a local cliff and filed an
insurance claim, but NO! Soon to come was a rear end overhaul, one piece
axles, new engine, clutch, seats, top fenders, grille, windshield frame &
glass, dash panel, suspension, tires, bumpers, front turn signal lights,
marker & tail lights, wiring, gauges, steering box, shaft & wheel, turn
signal switch & lever, starter, battery, alternator, DUI distributor, Weber
carb, all new brakes, exhaust system, roll cage, strip to the metal, body
resto & paint.

Having no one around here to save me from myself, I now have a pristine CJ5
worth maybe 1/3 of what I have in it! It's impossible to call it a
restoration because so many of the original components had been replaced,
butchered, etc. However, it trully is fun, even to just park by the house &
watch people oggle it.

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405191147020.1254@panix2.panix .com...
> On Mon, 10 May 2004, it was written:
>
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > I recently put a steel "Replitub" from Wyllys-Overland on my `79 CJ-5
> > > restoration.
>
> [snip comments]
>
> > Thanks Lee! Are you happy with your new tub?-
>
> Very happy, thanks. W-O did save me a certain amount of hand work and
> hair-pulling, but my warning about saving the old tub as a template came
> from experience. Even though I had read warnings, I had foolishly dumped
> the remaining fragments of my old tub -- the ones that hadn't already
> returned to the earth they came from. I didn't try to do a faithful
> restoration since the repop tub isn't an _exact_ duplicate of the original
> sheet metal (the Phillipine tubs are less detailed, one fewer set of
> ridges around the gas filler dimple by the door, for instance), but as
> vintage parts came my way I added them for detail, like an OEM optional
> cigar lighter and mounting bracket. My guy at the local alignment shop
> nearly wet himself when I brought the CJ in. He'd worked in a Jeep
> dealership in the late 1970s and when he hopped in had some weird -- but
> happy -- flashbacks. He said that it even _smelled_ new. He was also
> kinda awestruck when he had it up on the lift and saw how much attention
> to detail there is there and was the third person to suggest that I take
> it to some shows. I dunno `bout that but I'm thinking that a couple of
> local cruise nights might be fun. I've got a scrap book of "in progress"
> snapshots that I call "Not a restoration but an amazingly life-like
> recreation!" It is.
>
> I put plates on it last month and drove it for the first time in roughly a
> decade. Great fun, except.... On the second outing it came home on a
> hook. I'd forgotten that I'd never properly timed the ignition and it
> seems that it was running mostly on goodwill and an eagerness to get out
> of the garage. Halfway up the first hill on the way home it bagged out
> and died. When I put a proper light on it it was so far off that I
> couldn't even see the timing mark. Oops. It's running fine now.
>
>