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Re: Chrome intake with K&N
Sounds like your system is still sucking in heated (engine compartment) air.
There are a very small number of these K & N type systems that duct in outside air into the 'shielded area' but probably 99% of the setups I have seen the filter is still ingesting engine compartment air. The factory airbox uses a cold air intake. > FWIW I'm using the Jeep/MOPAR air intake on my '04 TJ six and it is > positioned in the right front of the engine compartment as high as the > original box with snorkel. The kit also includes an air dam/shield between > the intake and engine. It was dealer installed and at least my dealer says > the warranty is unaffected. They service the filter when I get my > scheduled service. My gas mileage ranges from 19+ to 23+ with most tanks > getting 20 to 21. It varies with a/c use and type of road used. > > -- > FRH |
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
I was not planning to change away from the paper filter, I was thinking
about smoothing out the disruptions in the intake air pathway. Imagine coming off the throttle body with a 90 degree fitting (like the K & N) and then running smooth walled tubing to the factory airbox which would hold a paper filter, just like now. The factory airbox has a cold air intake which is located along the driver side headlight. On a stock height WJ it is 36 inches off the ground "Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter.selby.ws> wrote in message news:SRLDg.18297$Uq1.17930@bignews6.bellsouth.net. .. > When I put the K&N in my Cobra, I immediately noticed a difference in the > way the car 'breathed'. > It was as if I had taken a pillow off of it's face. > > I won't put one on my Jeep though. > I hated the maintenance BS with the K&N, it's a real mess cleaning them > and the cleaning kit is around $30 > > I'd rather just change the paper filter than mess with the K&N > > Kate > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:b6786$44df5340$48311eaf$11208@FUSE.NET... >>I have considered 'streamlining' the factory intake while retaining the >>paper filter. >> >> It seems reasonable that the intake resonator and the corrugated piping >> introduces disturbances in the airflow that robs performance. >> >> Of course, I don't know how much, if any, effect this would have on the >> engine but as K & N (and others) claim that the 'Intake Systems" are >> superior to just their drop in filters (into the factory airbox) it would >> be reasonable that the improvement is actually due to the smoother >> airflow into the throttle body. >> >> Has anyone tried this? >> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:44DF3545.CD860405@sympatico.ca... >>> There have been several occasions where I have ended up with an oil >>> soaked air filter that wasn't working or passing air any more and I have >>> just taken the sucker out to continue on. Running with no air filter >>> and then putting one in has made no noticeable difference in the >>> performance of my engine. >>> >>> I have done this with 'both' my 4.2 and 4.0 engines due to the PCV or >>> CCV systems having the odd fit. >>> >>> Therefore I sure wouldn't bother using a 'performance' air filter that >>> even admits on it's website it lets more dirt to pass than an OEM >>> filter. Makes no sense to me. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mike, >>>> Agreed, but a "new" paper element isn't going to hinder any stock >>>> engine's breathing. >>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>>> >>>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Well..... Even the K+N has been shown by folks on this group that it >>>> > passes dust through. >>>> > >>>> > I like to have my engines running really well and I stick with stock >>>> > paper filters. >>>> > >>>> > Being able to breath more air in doesn't really help a 4.0 unless >>>> > there >>>> > is some place for it to go so if you put on some headers and a 'cat >>>> > back' and maybe a cam, then it might be worth the extra dust and >>>> > wear, >>>> > maybe.... >>>> > >>>> > Just my $0.02, >>>> > >>>> > Mike >>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > > |
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
I was not planning to change away from the paper filter, I was thinking
about smoothing out the disruptions in the intake air pathway. Imagine coming off the throttle body with a 90 degree fitting (like the K & N) and then running smooth walled tubing to the factory airbox which would hold a paper filter, just like now. The factory airbox has a cold air intake which is located along the driver side headlight. On a stock height WJ it is 36 inches off the ground "Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter.selby.ws> wrote in message news:SRLDg.18297$Uq1.17930@bignews6.bellsouth.net. .. > When I put the K&N in my Cobra, I immediately noticed a difference in the > way the car 'breathed'. > It was as if I had taken a pillow off of it's face. > > I won't put one on my Jeep though. > I hated the maintenance BS with the K&N, it's a real mess cleaning them > and the cleaning kit is around $30 > > I'd rather just change the paper filter than mess with the K&N > > Kate > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:b6786$44df5340$48311eaf$11208@FUSE.NET... >>I have considered 'streamlining' the factory intake while retaining the >>paper filter. >> >> It seems reasonable that the intake resonator and the corrugated piping >> introduces disturbances in the airflow that robs performance. >> >> Of course, I don't know how much, if any, effect this would have on the >> engine but as K & N (and others) claim that the 'Intake Systems" are >> superior to just their drop in filters (into the factory airbox) it would >> be reasonable that the improvement is actually due to the smoother >> airflow into the throttle body. >> >> Has anyone tried this? >> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:44DF3545.CD860405@sympatico.ca... >>> There have been several occasions where I have ended up with an oil >>> soaked air filter that wasn't working or passing air any more and I have >>> just taken the sucker out to continue on. Running with no air filter >>> and then putting one in has made no noticeable difference in the >>> performance of my engine. >>> >>> I have done this with 'both' my 4.2 and 4.0 engines due to the PCV or >>> CCV systems having the odd fit. >>> >>> Therefore I sure wouldn't bother using a 'performance' air filter that >>> even admits on it's website it lets more dirt to pass than an OEM >>> filter. Makes no sense to me. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mike, >>>> Agreed, but a "new" paper element isn't going to hinder any stock >>>> engine's breathing. >>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>>> >>>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Well..... Even the K+N has been shown by folks on this group that it >>>> > passes dust through. >>>> > >>>> > I like to have my engines running really well and I stick with stock >>>> > paper filters. >>>> > >>>> > Being able to breath more air in doesn't really help a 4.0 unless >>>> > there >>>> > is some place for it to go so if you put on some headers and a 'cat >>>> > back' and maybe a cam, then it might be worth the extra dust and >>>> > wear, >>>> > maybe.... >>>> > >>>> > Just my $0.02, >>>> > >>>> > Mike >>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > > |
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
I was not planning to change away from the paper filter, I was thinking
about smoothing out the disruptions in the intake air pathway. Imagine coming off the throttle body with a 90 degree fitting (like the K & N) and then running smooth walled tubing to the factory airbox which would hold a paper filter, just like now. The factory airbox has a cold air intake which is located along the driver side headlight. On a stock height WJ it is 36 inches off the ground "Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter.selby.ws> wrote in message news:SRLDg.18297$Uq1.17930@bignews6.bellsouth.net. .. > When I put the K&N in my Cobra, I immediately noticed a difference in the > way the car 'breathed'. > It was as if I had taken a pillow off of it's face. > > I won't put one on my Jeep though. > I hated the maintenance BS with the K&N, it's a real mess cleaning them > and the cleaning kit is around $30 > > I'd rather just change the paper filter than mess with the K&N > > Kate > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:b6786$44df5340$48311eaf$11208@FUSE.NET... >>I have considered 'streamlining' the factory intake while retaining the >>paper filter. >> >> It seems reasonable that the intake resonator and the corrugated piping >> introduces disturbances in the airflow that robs performance. >> >> Of course, I don't know how much, if any, effect this would have on the >> engine but as K & N (and others) claim that the 'Intake Systems" are >> superior to just their drop in filters (into the factory airbox) it would >> be reasonable that the improvement is actually due to the smoother >> airflow into the throttle body. >> >> Has anyone tried this? >> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:44DF3545.CD860405@sympatico.ca... >>> There have been several occasions where I have ended up with an oil >>> soaked air filter that wasn't working or passing air any more and I have >>> just taken the sucker out to continue on. Running with no air filter >>> and then putting one in has made no noticeable difference in the >>> performance of my engine. >>> >>> I have done this with 'both' my 4.2 and 4.0 engines due to the PCV or >>> CCV systems having the odd fit. >>> >>> Therefore I sure wouldn't bother using a 'performance' air filter that >>> even admits on it's website it lets more dirt to pass than an OEM >>> filter. Makes no sense to me. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mike, >>>> Agreed, but a "new" paper element isn't going to hinder any stock >>>> engine's breathing. >>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>>> >>>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Well..... Even the K+N has been shown by folks on this group that it >>>> > passes dust through. >>>> > >>>> > I like to have my engines running really well and I stick with stock >>>> > paper filters. >>>> > >>>> > Being able to breath more air in doesn't really help a 4.0 unless >>>> > there >>>> > is some place for it to go so if you put on some headers and a 'cat >>>> > back' and maybe a cam, then it might be worth the extra dust and >>>> > wear, >>>> > maybe.... >>>> > >>>> > Just my $0.02, >>>> > >>>> > Mike >>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > > |
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
I was not planning to change away from the paper filter, I was thinking
about smoothing out the disruptions in the intake air pathway. Imagine coming off the throttle body with a 90 degree fitting (like the K & N) and then running smooth walled tubing to the factory airbox which would hold a paper filter, just like now. The factory airbox has a cold air intake which is located along the driver side headlight. On a stock height WJ it is 36 inches off the ground "Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter.selby.ws> wrote in message news:SRLDg.18297$Uq1.17930@bignews6.bellsouth.net. .. > When I put the K&N in my Cobra, I immediately noticed a difference in the > way the car 'breathed'. > It was as if I had taken a pillow off of it's face. > > I won't put one on my Jeep though. > I hated the maintenance BS with the K&N, it's a real mess cleaning them > and the cleaning kit is around $30 > > I'd rather just change the paper filter than mess with the K&N > > Kate > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:b6786$44df5340$48311eaf$11208@FUSE.NET... >>I have considered 'streamlining' the factory intake while retaining the >>paper filter. >> >> It seems reasonable that the intake resonator and the corrugated piping >> introduces disturbances in the airflow that robs performance. >> >> Of course, I don't know how much, if any, effect this would have on the >> engine but as K & N (and others) claim that the 'Intake Systems" are >> superior to just their drop in filters (into the factory airbox) it would >> be reasonable that the improvement is actually due to the smoother >> airflow into the throttle body. >> >> Has anyone tried this? >> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:44DF3545.CD860405@sympatico.ca... >>> There have been several occasions where I have ended up with an oil >>> soaked air filter that wasn't working or passing air any more and I have >>> just taken the sucker out to continue on. Running with no air filter >>> and then putting one in has made no noticeable difference in the >>> performance of my engine. >>> >>> I have done this with 'both' my 4.2 and 4.0 engines due to the PCV or >>> CCV systems having the odd fit. >>> >>> Therefore I sure wouldn't bother using a 'performance' air filter that >>> even admits on it's website it lets more dirt to pass than an OEM >>> filter. Makes no sense to me. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mike, >>>> Agreed, but a "new" paper element isn't going to hinder any stock >>>> engine's breathing. >>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>>> >>>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Well..... Even the K+N has been shown by folks on this group that it >>>> > passes dust through. >>>> > >>>> > I like to have my engines running really well and I stick with stock >>>> > paper filters. >>>> > >>>> > Being able to breath more air in doesn't really help a 4.0 unless >>>> > there >>>> > is some place for it to go so if you put on some headers and a 'cat >>>> > back' and maybe a cam, then it might be worth the extra dust and >>>> > wear, >>>> > maybe.... >>>> > >>>> > Just my $0.02, >>>> > >>>> > Mike >>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > > |
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
You could pretend you have a Real Jeep and run the intake outside
and above the high water mark: http://www.----------.com/temp/mbJeep6.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- billy ray wrote: > > Almost all of these systems are set up so they draw superheated engine > compartment air from the nearby exhaust manifolds |
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
You could pretend you have a Real Jeep and run the intake outside
and above the high water mark: http://www.----------.com/temp/mbJeep6.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- billy ray wrote: > > Almost all of these systems are set up so they draw superheated engine > compartment air from the nearby exhaust manifolds |
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
You could pretend you have a Real Jeep and run the intake outside
and above the high water mark: http://www.----------.com/temp/mbJeep6.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- billy ray wrote: > > Almost all of these systems are set up so they draw superheated engine > compartment air from the nearby exhaust manifolds |
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
You could pretend you have a Real Jeep and run the intake outside
and above the high water mark: http://www.----------.com/temp/mbJeep6.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- billy ray wrote: > > Almost all of these systems are set up so they draw superheated engine > compartment air from the nearby exhaust manifolds |
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
Many years ago when the so called oil bath high air flow filters came out
many of us who ride motorcycles switched. A very bad idea, as it is today too much stuff gets through it does not burn and guess what, it scores the cylinder walls causing the bike to be rebuilt way before it is time to. Still today K&N and others sell them and still people buy them. The same holds true for autos many manufacturers do not recommend the use of the oil bath high flow filters. Penny wise and pound foolish and they are no bargain. Coasty "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44DE69F8.C733DFC5@cox.net... > The proofs every time you clean your filter, you will find an equal > amount that stuck in the filter oil in side the tube, guess what didn't > stick? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > reconair wrote: >> >> I've always run a K&N intake on my 91 YJ -- AZ, NM, NV, UT and the >> mid-atlantic states. I've got 255K on my Wrangler and it's still going >> strong. Therefore, I don't much believe that the K&Ns are any less >> capable >> than the OEM paper filters. Proofs in the pudding. |
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