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Jeff Strickland 05-09-2007 09:56 PM

Re: Charging my Air Conditioner -- Thanks
 
I bought a double size can of juice that included a hose and guage. The
directions were printed on the can, and they said to juice the system up to
about 50 psi for the current temp at my house. Completely counter to the
luck that runs in my family, the can was empty just as the spec was met.

As soon as the pressure came back, the compressor clutch kicked on and
remained on, and the cabin air temp hovered at about 50°F.





"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1i90i.8227$HR1.3924@trnddc01...
> The AC compressor clutch cycles on for about 2 seconds then off for about
> 3 seconds then repeats. It never blows cold. It worked fine a few days
> ago, so this is a sudden onset of symptoms.
>
> I have R134a. I also have a guage that plugs onto the Low Pressure Port.
> The sad thing is that I've not used it for a few years and I forgot how.
>
> I have to connect either the guage or the fitting that connects to the can
> of stuff, but I can not connect both at the same time. I think I have to
> take a pressure reading to make sure it is low. My guage has GRN, BLU,
> YEL, and RED sections. Green is 0 to 25psi, blue is 25 to 45, yellow is 45
> to 46, and red is anything above 65, the guage limit is 200.
>
> I need to re-understand the directions.
>
> I _think_ I want the needle to be in the blue area or yellow area, but by
> no means in the red or green areas. I have not checked yet, but I suspect
> it currently is in the green area. Once I ensure that the pressure is
> indeed low, then I can add a can of R134. One can should bring the
> pressure to 45ish psi.
>
> I _think_ what is happening now is that my pressure is right on the line,
> and when the compressor kicks in, the result is pressure drop below the
> threshold of the Low Pressure Switch, so the compressor kicks out. This
> causes the pressure to rise and satisfy the Low Pressure Switch, so the
> compressor kicks on again. The problem repeats from there, and the
> compressor clutch kicks on and off due to activity of the Low Pressure
> Switch.
>
> I've owned the vehicle for a year, and have done virtually nothing to it.
> It has worked perfectly until today, when the AC elected to go offline. I
> have no reason to suspect a leak at this time, but if the can of r134 does
> not do the trick, then I'll need to take it somewhere for service.
>
> All I can do to the AC system is put the stuff in, and I have to ask to be
> sure I have the process right.
>
>
>



Jeff Strickland 05-09-2007 09:57 PM

Re: Re: Charging my Air Conditioner
 
What's illegal?






"N. (Nancy) Huge IIIII" <nancyhuge@coccyx.net> wrote in message
news:mst0i.172192$aG1.85999@pd7urf3no...
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:43:24 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> In a class, we were allowed to shake it upright.

>
> That is illegal in 37 states, including California.
>
> --
> "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill do either?"
>
> -- Nancy ------ III
>
>
>
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>



Jeff Strickland 05-09-2007 09:57 PM

Re: Re: Charging my Air Conditioner
 
What's illegal?






"N. (Nancy) Huge IIIII" <nancyhuge@coccyx.net> wrote in message
news:mst0i.172192$aG1.85999@pd7urf3no...
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:43:24 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> In a class, we were allowed to shake it upright.

>
> That is illegal in 37 states, including California.
>
> --
> "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill do either?"
>
> -- Nancy ------ III
>
>
>
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>



Jeff Strickland 05-09-2007 09:57 PM

Re: Re: Charging my Air Conditioner
 
What's illegal?






"N. (Nancy) Huge IIIII" <nancyhuge@coccyx.net> wrote in message
news:mst0i.172192$aG1.85999@pd7urf3no...
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:43:24 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> In a class, we were allowed to shake it upright.

>
> That is illegal in 37 states, including California.
>
> --
> "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill do either?"
>
> -- Nancy ------ III
>
>
>
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>



Jeff Strickland 05-09-2007 09:57 PM

Re: Re: Charging my Air Conditioner
 
What's illegal?






"N. (Nancy) Huge IIIII" <nancyhuge@coccyx.net> wrote in message
news:mst0i.172192$aG1.85999@pd7urf3no...
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:43:24 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> In a class, we were allowed to shake it upright.

>
> That is illegal in 37 states, including California.
>
> --
> "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill do either?"
>
> -- Nancy ------ III
>
>
>
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>



Spdloader 05-09-2007 10:06 PM

Re: Re: Charging my Air Conditioner
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:jfe343pbhp4st4jp9fg0knd7gv865h1004@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 May 2007 23:56:30 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Try charging gas first, (hold can
>>upright) you can tell it's moving if the can gets cold near the top. If it
>>takes a while, like more than 15 minutes or so, flip the can upside down
>>and
>>hold for a few seconds at a time, charging with liquid, back and forth
>>until
>>the can is empty. You can feel the liquid inside sloshing, and you can
>>tell
>>when it's empty.

>
>
> Sometime too if the hose is long enough you can put R134a can in a pan
> of hot water while trying to draw vapor from it because as liquid
> boils to gas in can it cools it a lot and when this happens the
> pressure in can drops and slows things down a lot on charging. The
> idea of flipping can as above is not a bad idea as I do it but limit
> is to a few seconds or so at a time so you do not get a slug of liquid
> in compressor.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com


Another trick is to lay it on the engine valve cover.

Spdloader



Spdloader 05-09-2007 10:06 PM

Re: Re: Charging my Air Conditioner
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:jfe343pbhp4st4jp9fg0knd7gv865h1004@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 May 2007 23:56:30 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Try charging gas first, (hold can
>>upright) you can tell it's moving if the can gets cold near the top. If it
>>takes a while, like more than 15 minutes or so, flip the can upside down
>>and
>>hold for a few seconds at a time, charging with liquid, back and forth
>>until
>>the can is empty. You can feel the liquid inside sloshing, and you can
>>tell
>>when it's empty.

>
>
> Sometime too if the hose is long enough you can put R134a can in a pan
> of hot water while trying to draw vapor from it because as liquid
> boils to gas in can it cools it a lot and when this happens the
> pressure in can drops and slows things down a lot on charging. The
> idea of flipping can as above is not a bad idea as I do it but limit
> is to a few seconds or so at a time so you do not get a slug of liquid
> in compressor.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com


Another trick is to lay it on the engine valve cover.

Spdloader



Spdloader 05-09-2007 10:06 PM

Re: Re: Charging my Air Conditioner
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:jfe343pbhp4st4jp9fg0knd7gv865h1004@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 May 2007 23:56:30 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Try charging gas first, (hold can
>>upright) you can tell it's moving if the can gets cold near the top. If it
>>takes a while, like more than 15 minutes or so, flip the can upside down
>>and
>>hold for a few seconds at a time, charging with liquid, back and forth
>>until
>>the can is empty. You can feel the liquid inside sloshing, and you can
>>tell
>>when it's empty.

>
>
> Sometime too if the hose is long enough you can put R134a can in a pan
> of hot water while trying to draw vapor from it because as liquid
> boils to gas in can it cools it a lot and when this happens the
> pressure in can drops and slows things down a lot on charging. The
> idea of flipping can as above is not a bad idea as I do it but limit
> is to a few seconds or so at a time so you do not get a slug of liquid
> in compressor.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com


Another trick is to lay it on the engine valve cover.

Spdloader



Spdloader 05-09-2007 10:06 PM

Re: Re: Charging my Air Conditioner
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:jfe343pbhp4st4jp9fg0knd7gv865h1004@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 May 2007 23:56:30 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Try charging gas first, (hold can
>>upright) you can tell it's moving if the can gets cold near the top. If it
>>takes a while, like more than 15 minutes or so, flip the can upside down
>>and
>>hold for a few seconds at a time, charging with liquid, back and forth
>>until
>>the can is empty. You can feel the liquid inside sloshing, and you can
>>tell
>>when it's empty.

>
>
> Sometime too if the hose is long enough you can put R134a can in a pan
> of hot water while trying to draw vapor from it because as liquid
> boils to gas in can it cools it a lot and when this happens the
> pressure in can drops and slows things down a lot on charging. The
> idea of flipping can as above is not a bad idea as I do it but limit
> is to a few seconds or so at a time so you do not get a slug of liquid
> in compressor.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com


Another trick is to lay it on the engine valve cover.

Spdloader



Spdloader 05-09-2007 11:15 PM

Re: Charging my Air Conditioner -- Thanks
 

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:KZu0i.2152$py5.1198@trnddc06...
>I bought a double size can of juice that included a hose and guage. The
>directions were printed on the can, and they said to juice the system up to
>about 50 psi for the current temp at my house. Completely counter to the
>luck that runs in my family, the can was empty just as the spec was met.
>
> As soon as the pressure came back, the compressor clutch kicked on and
> remained on, and the cabin air temp hovered at about 50°F.


Watch the system over the next few days/weeks Jeff, check the connections,
especially where the metal ends are made onto the hoses, and the front of
the compressor clutch for any oily leaks.

Be cool, (pun intended)

Spdloader




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