Re: Carter BBD - End of story for now
 

In message <413F156A.D255957B@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:

>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <413DE243.E3A0F5CC@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Ouch!
>> >
>> >You had burned wires under the dash as well when that choke wire shorted
>> >out. Firing the circuit back up likely allowed a couple of the old
>> >melted areas burn some more.
>> >
>> >The under hood wiring from a CJ7 will work for your engine controls. If
>> >you check out the nutter, it describes one of the color differences. I
>> >think it is only the orange wire turning green.
>> >
>> >http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm
>> >
>> >I only have the Nutter and on my last emissions I passed I got 15 ppm HC
>> >and 0.16% CO.
>>
>> Too bad it also sends NOx through the roof.
>
>Ahh, the $tealership 'techs' ESP is working great still I see...
>
>'My' vehicle is not required to have a catalytic converter nor does it
>get tested for NOx and my last test just put N/A in those places.

I said the nutter hack raises NOx emissions. Just because you don't get tested
for it, doesn't mean it's not there. What part are you not understanding?

>
>'If' I had a cat like a bunch of my friends driving Nuttered YJ's, I
>would pass NOx the same as 'they' do.

'If?'

'If' you had a cat, and 'if' your test was in California, you'd fail miserably,
as would your pals.

I prefer to avoid 'if' and stick to facts. The nutter hack will raise NOx
emissions.

>
>Dork.
>
>Mike
>
>>
>> >
>> >You just need to do a tune up before emissions. Manually the engine
>> >sets up cleaner than that crappy Ford computer can do.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> >Steve Foley wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So the current plan is the nutter bypass. That gives me a year to get the
>> >> MPI kit.
>> >>
>> >> "Steve Foley" <steve.foley@DELETEatt.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:sIPYc.535005$Gx4.491736@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >> > Following several suggestions, I got the Jeep running better than it has
>> >> in
>> >> > years. Computer not working, but I cleaned the idle tubes, aedjusted the
>> >> > mixture, and enjoyed my ride again. After 110 miles, it started running
>> >> > rotten again.
>> >> >
>> >> > My best guess is that the computer kicked in for a few seconds, and
>> >> adjusted
>> >> > the mixture to full lean.
>> >> >
>> >> > I decided I need to get the computer running. I installed 2 fuses in the
>> >> > circuit board next to the battery, and checked the O2 sensor, water jacker
>> >> > thermocouple, and the other thingy in the air filter. Within a few
>> >> minutes,
>> >> > I had the computer working, and adjusting the mixture.
>> >> >
>> >> > Life is good.
>> >> >
>> >> > Until.......
>> >> >
>> >> > It stopped working again, and I let the smoke out of the wires inside the
>> >> > harness.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jeep won't run.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2 Options:
>> >> >
>> >> > Find a new harness (I haven't seen one for a YJ)
>> >> >
>> >> > Replace ignition and carb with wired kits.
>> >> >
>> >> >

Re: Carter BBD - End of story for now
 

In message <413F156A.D255957B@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:

>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <413DE243.E3A0F5CC@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Ouch!
>> >
>> >You had burned wires under the dash as well when that choke wire shorted
>> >out. Firing the circuit back up likely allowed a couple of the old
>> >melted areas burn some more.
>> >
>> >The under hood wiring from a CJ7 will work for your engine controls. If
>> >you check out the nutter, it describes one of the color differences. I
>> >think it is only the orange wire turning green.
>> >
>> >http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm
>> >
>> >I only have the Nutter and on my last emissions I passed I got 15 ppm HC
>> >and 0.16% CO.
>>
>> Too bad it also sends NOx through the roof.
>
>Ahh, the $tealership 'techs' ESP is working great still I see...
>
>'My' vehicle is not required to have a catalytic converter nor does it
>get tested for NOx and my last test just put N/A in those places.

I said the nutter hack raises NOx emissions. Just because you don't get tested
for it, doesn't mean it's not there. What part are you not understanding?

>
>'If' I had a cat like a bunch of my friends driving Nuttered YJ's, I
>would pass NOx the same as 'they' do.

'If?'

'If' you had a cat, and 'if' your test was in California, you'd fail miserably,
as would your pals.

I prefer to avoid 'if' and stick to facts. The nutter hack will raise NOx
emissions.

>
>Dork.
>
>Mike
>
>>
>> >
>> >You just need to do a tune up before emissions. Manually the engine
>> >sets up cleaner than that crappy Ford computer can do.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> >Steve Foley wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So the current plan is the nutter bypass. That gives me a year to get the
>> >> MPI kit.
>> >>
>> >> "Steve Foley" <steve.foley@DELETEatt.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:sIPYc.535005$Gx4.491736@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >> > Following several suggestions, I got the Jeep running better than it has
>> >> in
>> >> > years. Computer not working, but I cleaned the idle tubes, aedjusted the
>> >> > mixture, and enjoyed my ride again. After 110 miles, it started running
>> >> > rotten again.
>> >> >
>> >> > My best guess is that the computer kicked in for a few seconds, and
>> >> adjusted
>> >> > the mixture to full lean.
>> >> >
>> >> > I decided I need to get the computer running. I installed 2 fuses in the
>> >> > circuit board next to the battery, and checked the O2 sensor, water jacker
>> >> > thermocouple, and the other thingy in the air filter. Within a few
>> >> minutes,
>> >> > I had the computer working, and adjusting the mixture.
>> >> >
>> >> > Life is good.
>> >> >
>> >> > Until.......
>> >> >
>> >> > It stopped working again, and I let the smoke out of the wires inside the
>> >> > harness.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jeep won't run.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2 Options:
>> >> >
>> >> > Find a new harness (I haven't seen one for a YJ)
>> >> >
>> >> > Replace ignition and carb with wired kits.
>> >> >
>> >> >

Re: Carter BBD - End of story for now
 

In message <413F156A.D255957B@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:

>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <413DE243.E3A0F5CC@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Ouch!
>> >
>> >You had burned wires under the dash as well when that choke wire shorted
>> >out. Firing the circuit back up likely allowed a couple of the old
>> >melted areas burn some more.
>> >
>> >The under hood wiring from a CJ7 will work for your engine controls. If
>> >you check out the nutter, it describes one of the color differences. I
>> >think it is only the orange wire turning green.
>> >
>> >http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm
>> >
>> >I only have the Nutter and on my last emissions I passed I got 15 ppm HC
>> >and 0.16% CO.
>>
>> Too bad it also sends NOx through the roof.
>
>Ahh, the $tealership 'techs' ESP is working great still I see...
>
>'My' vehicle is not required to have a catalytic converter nor does it
>get tested for NOx and my last test just put N/A in those places.

I said the nutter hack raises NOx emissions. Just because you don't get tested
for it, doesn't mean it's not there. What part are you not understanding?

>
>'If' I had a cat like a bunch of my friends driving Nuttered YJ's, I
>would pass NOx the same as 'they' do.

'If?'

'If' you had a cat, and 'if' your test was in California, you'd fail miserably,
as would your pals.

I prefer to avoid 'if' and stick to facts. The nutter hack will raise NOx
emissions.

>
>Dork.
>
>Mike
>
>>
>> >
>> >You just need to do a tune up before emissions. Manually the engine
>> >sets up cleaner than that crappy Ford computer can do.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> >Steve Foley wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So the current plan is the nutter bypass. That gives me a year to get the
>> >> MPI kit.
>> >>
>> >> "Steve Foley" <steve.foley@DELETEatt.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:sIPYc.535005$Gx4.491736@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >> > Following several suggestions, I got the Jeep running better than it has
>> >> in
>> >> > years. Computer not working, but I cleaned the idle tubes, aedjusted the
>> >> > mixture, and enjoyed my ride again. After 110 miles, it started running
>> >> > rotten again.
>> >> >
>> >> > My best guess is that the computer kicked in for a few seconds, and
>> >> adjusted
>> >> > the mixture to full lean.
>> >> >
>> >> > I decided I need to get the computer running. I installed 2 fuses in the
>> >> > circuit board next to the battery, and checked the O2 sensor, water jacker
>> >> > thermocouple, and the other thingy in the air filter. Within a few
>> >> minutes,
>> >> > I had the computer working, and adjusting the mixture.
>> >> >
>> >> > Life is good.
>> >> >
>> >> > Until.......
>> >> >
>> >> > It stopped working again, and I let the smoke out of the wires inside the
>> >> > harness.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jeep won't run.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2 Options:
>> >> >
>> >> > Find a new harness (I haven't seen one for a YJ)
>> >> >
>> >> > Replace ignition and carb with wired kits.
>> >> >
>> >> >

Re: Carter BBD - End of story for now
 

bllsht wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> 'If?'
>
> 'If' you had a cat, and 'if' your test was in California, you'd fail miserably,
> as would your pals.
>
> I prefer to avoid 'if' and stick to facts. The nutter hack will raise NOx
> emissions.
>

Got news for ya.

I have compared emissions papers with folks from California and we have
lower top end readings allowed up here. They are allowed to have way
higher readings and still pass with older vehicles.

And just 'how' do you 'know' the Nutter will raise NOx? Talking
strictly 'facts' here. I mean I am 'sure' you $tealer techs would never
try something like that, so how do you know this 'fact'.

The 'fact' that you tuned something to lower the readings or added a
computer back in means nothing. I too can play around with the settings
to raise and lower NOx.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Carter BBD - End of story for now
 

bllsht wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> 'If?'
>
> 'If' you had a cat, and 'if' your test was in California, you'd fail miserably,
> as would your pals.
>
> I prefer to avoid 'if' and stick to facts. The nutter hack will raise NOx
> emissions.
>

Got news for ya.

I have compared emissions papers with folks from California and we have
lower top end readings allowed up here. They are allowed to have way
higher readings and still pass with older vehicles.

And just 'how' do you 'know' the Nutter will raise NOx? Talking
strictly 'facts' here. I mean I am 'sure' you $tealer techs would never
try something like that, so how do you know this 'fact'.

The 'fact' that you tuned something to lower the readings or added a
computer back in means nothing. I too can play around with the settings
to raise and lower NOx.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Carter BBD - End of story for now
 

bllsht wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> 'If?'
>
> 'If' you had a cat, and 'if' your test was in California, you'd fail miserably,
> as would your pals.
>
> I prefer to avoid 'if' and stick to facts. The nutter hack will raise NOx
> emissions.
>

Got news for ya.

I have compared emissions papers with folks from California and we have
lower top end readings allowed up here. They are allowed to have way
higher readings and still pass with older vehicles.

And just 'how' do you 'know' the Nutter will raise NOx? Talking
strictly 'facts' here. I mean I am 'sure' you $tealer techs would never
try something like that, so how do you know this 'fact'.

The 'fact' that you tuned something to lower the readings or added a
computer back in means nothing. I too can play around with the settings
to raise and lower NOx.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Carter BBD - End of story for now
 

I'm with ya, on eliminating the computer, mostly because it
eliminates that growth on the side of the Carter BBD, that's always been
problematic, and probably stopped working correctly fifteen years ago.
Kalifornia may give me a break on the size of my engine, as
compared yours: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Got news for ya.
>
> I have compared emissions papers with folks from California and we have
> lower top end readings allowed up here. They are allowed to have way
> higher readings and still pass with older vehicles.
>
> And just 'how' do you 'know' the Nutter will raise NOx? Talking
> strictly 'facts' here. I mean I am 'sure' you $tealer techs would never
> try something like that, so how do you know this 'fact'.
>
> The 'fact' that you tuned something to lower the readings or added a
> computer back in means nothing. I too can play around with the settings
> to raise and lower NOx.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Carter BBD - End of story for now
 

I'm with ya, on eliminating the computer, mostly because it
eliminates that growth on the side of the Carter BBD, that's always been
problematic, and probably stopped working correctly fifteen years ago.
Kalifornia may give me a break on the size of my engine, as
compared yours: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Got news for ya.
>
> I have compared emissions papers with folks from California and we have
> lower top end readings allowed up here. They are allowed to have way
> higher readings and still pass with older vehicles.
>
> And just 'how' do you 'know' the Nutter will raise NOx? Talking
> strictly 'facts' here. I mean I am 'sure' you $tealer techs would never
> try something like that, so how do you know this 'fact'.
>
> The 'fact' that you tuned something to lower the readings or added a
> computer back in means nothing. I too can play around with the settings
> to raise and lower NOx.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Carter BBD - End of story for now
 

I'm with ya, on eliminating the computer, mostly because it
eliminates that growth on the side of the Carter BBD, that's always been
problematic, and probably stopped working correctly fifteen years ago.
Kalifornia may give me a break on the size of my engine, as
compared yours: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Got news for ya.
>
> I have compared emissions papers with folks from California and we have
> lower top end readings allowed up here. They are allowed to have way
> higher readings and still pass with older vehicles.
>
> And just 'how' do you 'know' the Nutter will raise NOx? Talking
> strictly 'facts' here. I mean I am 'sure' you $tealer techs would never
> try something like that, so how do you know this 'fact'.
>
> The 'fact' that you tuned something to lower the readings or added a
> computer back in means nothing. I too can play around with the settings
> to raise and lower NOx.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Carter BBD - End of story for now
 

Wow, you are 'allowed' 329 ppm HC tops and I am 'allowed' 300 ppm. You
also are 'allowed' 3.83% CO ! I am 'allowed' 1.5%.

I have the highest 'allowed' readings in my 86 CJ7.

You are running pretty clean though and could still pass 'our' test with
your readings. LOL!

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> I'm with ya, on eliminating the computer, mostly because it
> eliminates that growth on the side of the Carter BBD, that's always been
> problematic, and probably stopped working correctly fifteen years ago.
> Kalifornia may give me a break on the size of my engine, as
> compared yours: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Got news for ya.
> >
> > I have compared emissions papers with folks from California and we have
> > lower top end readings allowed up here. They are allowed to have way
> > higher readings and still pass with older vehicles.
> >
> > And just 'how' do you 'know' the Nutter will raise NOx? Talking
> > strictly 'facts' here. I mean I am 'sure' you $tealer techs would never
> > try something like that, so how do you know this 'fact'.
> >
> > The 'fact' that you tuned something to lower the readings or added a
> > computer back in means nothing. I too can play around with the settings
> > to raise and lower NOx.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's