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Kevin in San Diego 11-24-2003 11:50 PM

CA Smog help
 
I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.

88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research the
numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
good measure.
I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.

Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
KH





L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-25-2003 12:59 AM

Re: CA Smog help
 
Hi Kevin,
Here's what our tests look like: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
I've always asked up front for a pre run and they charge me double for
that, but at least I know I won't be branded a gross polluter and put on
the yearly test. Make sure it's running at full operating temperature,
195° thermostat, have your oil up around there too, that usually takes
about twenty minutes of freeway driving, then don't turn it off during
the time you're waiting for your turn to be tested, so the catalytic
convert stays at 1600°. Good luck.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Kevin in San Diego wrote:
>
> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> 88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research the
> numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> good measure.
> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> KH


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-25-2003 12:59 AM

Re: CA Smog help
 
Hi Kevin,
Here's what our tests look like: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
I've always asked up front for a pre run and they charge me double for
that, but at least I know I won't be branded a gross polluter and put on
the yearly test. Make sure it's running at full operating temperature,
195° thermostat, have your oil up around there too, that usually takes
about twenty minutes of freeway driving, then don't turn it off during
the time you're waiting for your turn to be tested, so the catalytic
convert stays at 1600°. Good luck.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Kevin in San Diego wrote:
>
> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> 88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research the
> numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> good measure.
> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> KH


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-25-2003 12:59 AM

Re: CA Smog help
 
Hi Kevin,
Here's what our tests look like: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
I've always asked up front for a pre run and they charge me double for
that, but at least I know I won't be branded a gross polluter and put on
the yearly test. Make sure it's running at full operating temperature,
195° thermostat, have your oil up around there too, that usually takes
about twenty minutes of freeway driving, then don't turn it off during
the time you're waiting for your turn to be tested, so the catalytic
convert stays at 1600°. Good luck.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Kevin in San Diego wrote:
>
> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> 88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research the
> numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> good measure.
> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> KH


Will Honea 11-25-2003 05:34 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
It may be just smoke and mirrors, but I replaced the cat on my 88 MJ
(160K on the 4.0L) and the CO numbers took a real dive. There was no
visible sign of plugging. Also, 4 years on an O2 sensor - depending
on the milage - may be a little long with that many miles on the
engine. Even if you don't use much oil (I change oil at a quart down
or 4K miles, whichever comes first) you are still passing a lot of
crap with 150K+ on the engine.

I replaced the O2 sensor a couple of years back and it did wonders for
the idle (and the color of the tailpipe <g>) then replaced the cat on
speculation this year as I felt that the top end and highway
performance had deteriorated. I did get a noticable improvement so
the cat was probably plugged a bit.

New plugs, a fresh oil change, and a clean air filter will help keep
the sniffer happy on both ends of the test. A friend who runs a
garage and inspection station swears that cat performance degrades
over time. He suggests that you take the car out for a 25-30 mile
highway run on the way to the test, btw.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:50:46 UTC "Kevin in San Diego"
<kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> 88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research the
> numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> good measure.
> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> KH
>
>
>
>



--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Will Honea 11-25-2003 05:34 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
It may be just smoke and mirrors, but I replaced the cat on my 88 MJ
(160K on the 4.0L) and the CO numbers took a real dive. There was no
visible sign of plugging. Also, 4 years on an O2 sensor - depending
on the milage - may be a little long with that many miles on the
engine. Even if you don't use much oil (I change oil at a quart down
or 4K miles, whichever comes first) you are still passing a lot of
crap with 150K+ on the engine.

I replaced the O2 sensor a couple of years back and it did wonders for
the idle (and the color of the tailpipe <g>) then replaced the cat on
speculation this year as I felt that the top end and highway
performance had deteriorated. I did get a noticable improvement so
the cat was probably plugged a bit.

New plugs, a fresh oil change, and a clean air filter will help keep
the sniffer happy on both ends of the test. A friend who runs a
garage and inspection station swears that cat performance degrades
over time. He suggests that you take the car out for a 25-30 mile
highway run on the way to the test, btw.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:50:46 UTC "Kevin in San Diego"
<kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> 88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research the
> numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> good measure.
> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> KH
>
>
>
>



--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Will Honea 11-25-2003 05:34 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
It may be just smoke and mirrors, but I replaced the cat on my 88 MJ
(160K on the 4.0L) and the CO numbers took a real dive. There was no
visible sign of plugging. Also, 4 years on an O2 sensor - depending
on the milage - may be a little long with that many miles on the
engine. Even if you don't use much oil (I change oil at a quart down
or 4K miles, whichever comes first) you are still passing a lot of
crap with 150K+ on the engine.

I replaced the O2 sensor a couple of years back and it did wonders for
the idle (and the color of the tailpipe <g>) then replaced the cat on
speculation this year as I felt that the top end and highway
performance had deteriorated. I did get a noticable improvement so
the cat was probably plugged a bit.

New plugs, a fresh oil change, and a clean air filter will help keep
the sniffer happy on both ends of the test. A friend who runs a
garage and inspection station swears that cat performance degrades
over time. He suggests that you take the car out for a 25-30 mile
highway run on the way to the test, btw.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:50:46 UTC "Kevin in San Diego"
<kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> 88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research the
> numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> good measure.
> I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
> tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> KH
>
>
>
>



--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Kevin in San Diego 11-25-2003 11:16 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
Thanks guys. I will throw a few parts at it and let you know.
KH

"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-ks7zFcNdlSJ3@anon.none.net...
> It may be just smoke and mirrors, but I replaced the cat on my 88 MJ
> (160K on the 4.0L) and the CO numbers took a real dive. There was no
> visible sign of plugging. Also, 4 years on an O2 sensor - depending
> on the milage - may be a little long with that many miles on the
> engine. Even if you don't use much oil (I change oil at a quart down
> or 4K miles, whichever comes first) you are still passing a lot of
> crap with 150K+ on the engine.
>
> I replaced the O2 sensor a couple of years back and it did wonders for
> the idle (and the color of the tailpipe <g>) then replaced the cat on
> speculation this year as I felt that the top end and highway
> performance had deteriorated. I did get a noticable improvement so
> the cat was probably plugged a bit.
>
> New plugs, a fresh oil change, and a clean air filter will help keep
> the sniffer happy on both ends of the test. A friend who runs a
> garage and inspection station swears that cat performance degrades
> over time. He suggests that you take the car out for a 25-30 mile
> highway run on the way to the test, btw.
>
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:50:46 UTC "Kevin in San Diego"
> <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> > tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> > 88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> > New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> > a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> > It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research

the
> > numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> > anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> > test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> > anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> > take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> > know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> > the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> > good measure.
> > I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> > tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> > Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> > Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> > KH
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>




Kevin in San Diego 11-25-2003 11:16 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
Thanks guys. I will throw a few parts at it and let you know.
KH

"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-ks7zFcNdlSJ3@anon.none.net...
> It may be just smoke and mirrors, but I replaced the cat on my 88 MJ
> (160K on the 4.0L) and the CO numbers took a real dive. There was no
> visible sign of plugging. Also, 4 years on an O2 sensor - depending
> on the milage - may be a little long with that many miles on the
> engine. Even if you don't use much oil (I change oil at a quart down
> or 4K miles, whichever comes first) you are still passing a lot of
> crap with 150K+ on the engine.
>
> I replaced the O2 sensor a couple of years back and it did wonders for
> the idle (and the color of the tailpipe <g>) then replaced the cat on
> speculation this year as I felt that the top end and highway
> performance had deteriorated. I did get a noticable improvement so
> the cat was probably plugged a bit.
>
> New plugs, a fresh oil change, and a clean air filter will help keep
> the sniffer happy on both ends of the test. A friend who runs a
> garage and inspection station swears that cat performance degrades
> over time. He suggests that you take the car out for a 25-30 mile
> highway run on the way to the test, btw.
>
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:50:46 UTC "Kevin in San Diego"
> <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> > tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> > 88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> > New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> > a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> > It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research

the
> > numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> > anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> > test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> > anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> > take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> > know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> > the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> > good measure.
> > I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> > tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> > Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> > Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> > KH
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>




Kevin in San Diego 11-25-2003 11:16 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
Thanks guys. I will throw a few parts at it and let you know.
KH

"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-ks7zFcNdlSJ3@anon.none.net...
> It may be just smoke and mirrors, but I replaced the cat on my 88 MJ
> (160K on the 4.0L) and the CO numbers took a real dive. There was no
> visible sign of plugging. Also, 4 years on an O2 sensor - depending
> on the milage - may be a little long with that many miles on the
> engine. Even if you don't use much oil (I change oil at a quart down
> or 4K miles, whichever comes first) you are still passing a lot of
> crap with 150K+ on the engine.
>
> I replaced the O2 sensor a couple of years back and it did wonders for
> the idle (and the color of the tailpipe <g>) then replaced the cat on
> speculation this year as I felt that the top end and highway
> performance had deteriorated. I did get a noticable improvement so
> the cat was probably plugged a bit.
>
> New plugs, a fresh oil change, and a clean air filter will help keep
> the sniffer happy on both ends of the test. A friend who runs a
> garage and inspection station swears that cat performance degrades
> over time. He suggests that you take the car out for a 25-30 mile
> highway run on the way to the test, btw.
>
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:50:46 UTC "Kevin in San Diego"
> <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> > tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> > 88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> > New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> > a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> > It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research

the
> > numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> > anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> > test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> > anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> > take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> > know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> > the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> > good measure.
> > I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> > tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> > Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> > Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> > KH
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>




bllsht 11-25-2003 11:48 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
In message <VeBwb.12895$Bk1.2429@fed1read05>, "Kevin in San Diego" wrote:

>I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
>tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
>88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
>New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
>a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
>It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research the
>numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
>anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
>test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
>anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
>take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
>know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
>the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
>good measure.
>I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
>tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
>Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
>KH
>
>
>


My guess is your friend is confusing CO and HC. The number you posted looks
more like HC. HC is measured in PPM. CO is measured in percent.

Catalytic converters do wear out, and 180k is a lot of miles. It's been my
experience that HC numbers are usually the first to get up over the pass/fail
cutoff as the cat gets older. Nothing scientific about my findings, that just
seems to be the way it goes most of the time.

O2 sensor failure is also pretty common. A good one will switch quickly between
0 and 5 volts.

Messing with octane *may* help *slightly* with a NOx problem, but will be no
help to you if you indeed have a HC problem.

A fresh tune couldn't hurt.


bllsht 11-25-2003 11:48 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
In message <VeBwb.12895$Bk1.2429@fed1read05>, "Kevin in San Diego" wrote:

>I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
>tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
>88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
>New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
>a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
>It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research the
>numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
>anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
>test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
>anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
>take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
>know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
>the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
>good measure.
>I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
>tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
>Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
>KH
>
>
>


My guess is your friend is confusing CO and HC. The number you posted looks
more like HC. HC is measured in PPM. CO is measured in percent.

Catalytic converters do wear out, and 180k is a lot of miles. It's been my
experience that HC numbers are usually the first to get up over the pass/fail
cutoff as the cat gets older. Nothing scientific about my findings, that just
seems to be the way it goes most of the time.

O2 sensor failure is also pretty common. A good one will switch quickly between
0 and 5 volts.

Messing with octane *may* help *slightly* with a NOx problem, but will be no
help to you if you indeed have a HC problem.

A fresh tune couldn't hurt.


bllsht 11-25-2003 11:48 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
In message <VeBwb.12895$Bk1.2429@fed1read05>, "Kevin in San Diego" wrote:

>I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
>tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
>88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
>New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
>a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
>It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research the
>numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
>anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
>test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
>anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
>take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
>know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
>the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
>good measure.
>I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I can
>tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
>
> Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
>Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
>KH
>
>
>


My guess is your friend is confusing CO and HC. The number you posted looks
more like HC. HC is measured in PPM. CO is measured in percent.

Catalytic converters do wear out, and 180k is a lot of miles. It's been my
experience that HC numbers are usually the first to get up over the pass/fail
cutoff as the cat gets older. Nothing scientific about my findings, that just
seems to be the way it goes most of the time.

O2 sensor failure is also pretty common. A good one will switch quickly between
0 and 5 volts.

Messing with octane *may* help *slightly* with a NOx problem, but will be no
help to you if you indeed have a HC problem.

A fresh tune couldn't hurt.


Kevin in San Diego 11-26-2003 02:56 AM

Re: CA Smog help
 
thanks!

"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:0fa8svcfa40idnptuljbo2egajbmm46ecm@4ax.com...
> In message <VeBwb.12895$Bk1.2429@fed1read05>, "Kevin in San Diego" wrote:
>
> >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> >88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> >New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> >a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> >It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research

the
> >numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> >anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> >test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> >anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> >take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> >know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> >the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> >good measure.
> >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> > Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> >Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> >KH
> >
> >
> >

>
> My guess is your friend is confusing CO and HC. The number you posted

looks
> more like HC. HC is measured in PPM. CO is measured in percent.
>
> Catalytic converters do wear out, and 180k is a lot of miles. It's been

my
> experience that HC numbers are usually the first to get up over the

pass/fail
> cutoff as the cat gets older. Nothing scientific about my findings, that

just
> seems to be the way it goes most of the time.
>
> O2 sensor failure is also pretty common. A good one will switch quickly

between
> 0 and 5 volts.
>
> Messing with octane *may* help *slightly* with a NOx problem, but will be

no
> help to you if you indeed have a HC problem.
>
> A fresh tune couldn't hurt.
>




Kevin in San Diego 11-26-2003 02:56 AM

Re: CA Smog help
 
thanks!

"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:0fa8svcfa40idnptuljbo2egajbmm46ecm@4ax.com...
> In message <VeBwb.12895$Bk1.2429@fed1read05>, "Kevin in San Diego" wrote:
>
> >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> >88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> >New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> >a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> >It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research

the
> >numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> >anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> >test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> >anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> >take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> >know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> >the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> >good measure.
> >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> > Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> >Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> >KH
> >
> >
> >

>
> My guess is your friend is confusing CO and HC. The number you posted

looks
> more like HC. HC is measured in PPM. CO is measured in percent.
>
> Catalytic converters do wear out, and 180k is a lot of miles. It's been

my
> experience that HC numbers are usually the first to get up over the

pass/fail
> cutoff as the cat gets older. Nothing scientific about my findings, that

just
> seems to be the way it goes most of the time.
>
> O2 sensor failure is also pretty common. A good one will switch quickly

between
> 0 and 5 volts.
>
> Messing with octane *may* help *slightly* with a NOx problem, but will be

no
> help to you if you indeed have a HC problem.
>
> A fresh tune couldn't hurt.
>




Kevin in San Diego 11-26-2003 02:56 AM

Re: CA Smog help
 
thanks!

"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:0fa8svcfa40idnptuljbo2egajbmm46ecm@4ax.com...
> In message <VeBwb.12895$Bk1.2429@fed1read05>, "Kevin in San Diego" wrote:
>
> >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> >88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> >New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> >a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> >It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research

the
> >numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> >anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> >test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> >anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> >take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> >know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> >the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> >good measure.
> >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

can
> >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> >
> > Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> >Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> >KH
> >
> >
> >

>
> My guess is your friend is confusing CO and HC. The number you posted

looks
> more like HC. HC is measured in PPM. CO is measured in percent.
>
> Catalytic converters do wear out, and 180k is a lot of miles. It's been

my
> experience that HC numbers are usually the first to get up over the

pass/fail
> cutoff as the cat gets older. Nothing scientific about my findings, that

just
> seems to be the way it goes most of the time.
>
> O2 sensor failure is also pretty common. A good one will switch quickly

between
> 0 and 5 volts.
>
> Messing with octane *may* help *slightly* with a NOx problem, but will be

no
> help to you if you indeed have a HC problem.
>
> A fresh tune couldn't hurt.
>




Kevin in San Diego 11-26-2003 05:38 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
It turns out my O2 sensor was busted. The ceramic was broken and the wires
were just hanging!. I popped a new one in and it passed!
KH

"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:01Zwb.18988$Bk1.12789@fed1read05...
> thanks!
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> news:0fa8svcfa40idnptuljbo2egajbmm46ecm@4ax.com...
> > In message <VeBwb.12895$Bk1.2429@fed1read05>, "Kevin in San Diego"

wrote:
> >
> > >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

> can
> > >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> > >
> > >88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> > >New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> > >a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> > >It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research

> the
> > >numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> > >anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> > >test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> > >anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> > >take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> > >know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> > >the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> > >good measure.
> > >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

> can
> > >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> > >
> > > Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> > >Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> > >KH
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> > My guess is your friend is confusing CO and HC. The number you posted

> looks
> > more like HC. HC is measured in PPM. CO is measured in percent.
> >
> > Catalytic converters do wear out, and 180k is a lot of miles. It's been

> my
> > experience that HC numbers are usually the first to get up over the

> pass/fail
> > cutoff as the cat gets older. Nothing scientific about my findings,

that
> just
> > seems to be the way it goes most of the time.
> >
> > O2 sensor failure is also pretty common. A good one will switch quickly

> between
> > 0 and 5 volts.
> >
> > Messing with octane *may* help *slightly* with a NOx problem, but will

be
> no
> > help to you if you indeed have a HC problem.
> >
> > A fresh tune couldn't hurt.
> >

>
>




Kevin in San Diego 11-26-2003 05:38 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
It turns out my O2 sensor was busted. The ceramic was broken and the wires
were just hanging!. I popped a new one in and it passed!
KH

"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:01Zwb.18988$Bk1.12789@fed1read05...
> thanks!
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> news:0fa8svcfa40idnptuljbo2egajbmm46ecm@4ax.com...
> > In message <VeBwb.12895$Bk1.2429@fed1read05>, "Kevin in San Diego"

wrote:
> >
> > >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

> can
> > >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> > >
> > >88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> > >New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> > >a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> > >It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research

> the
> > >numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> > >anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> > >test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> > >anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> > >take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> > >know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> > >the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> > >good measure.
> > >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

> can
> > >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> > >
> > > Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> > >Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> > >KH
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> > My guess is your friend is confusing CO and HC. The number you posted

> looks
> > more like HC. HC is measured in PPM. CO is measured in percent.
> >
> > Catalytic converters do wear out, and 180k is a lot of miles. It's been

> my
> > experience that HC numbers are usually the first to get up over the

> pass/fail
> > cutoff as the cat gets older. Nothing scientific about my findings,

that
> just
> > seems to be the way it goes most of the time.
> >
> > O2 sensor failure is also pretty common. A good one will switch quickly

> between
> > 0 and 5 volts.
> >
> > Messing with octane *may* help *slightly* with a NOx problem, but will

be
> no
> > help to you if you indeed have a HC problem.
> >
> > A fresh tune couldn't hurt.
> >

>
>




Kevin in San Diego 11-26-2003 05:38 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
It turns out my O2 sensor was busted. The ceramic was broken and the wires
were just hanging!. I popped a new one in and it passed!
KH

"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:01Zwb.18988$Bk1.12789@fed1read05...
> thanks!
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> news:0fa8svcfa40idnptuljbo2egajbmm46ecm@4ax.com...
> > In message <VeBwb.12895$Bk1.2429@fed1read05>, "Kevin in San Diego"

wrote:
> >
> > >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

> can
> > >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> > >
> > >88XJ 4.0 non HO 180K miles or so.
> > >New wires, cap, distributor. Fresh oil change. New Air Filter. I had
> > >a friends shop put the smog sniffer on it. He says my CO is at 135.
> > >It should be less than 100 according to him. After doing some research

> the
> > >numbers don't match up to what I am reading. There are no CO numbers
> > >anything like that anywhere. I also need to go to a
> > >test only. This is the first year they ever made me do that. Does
> > >anyone know of a few things to try before I send it to someone to
> > >take all my money? I only have until the 8th of December. Anyone
> > >know of a reliable shop who can fix it if I cant? I haven't changed
> > >the plugs in a while (30k miles maybe? don't), I will do that for
> > >good measure.
> > >I am running the original Cat but it shows no signs of clogging that I

> can
> > >tell. The O2 sensor was replaced four years ago.
> > >
> > > Would 89 octane help or hurt the process.
> > >Someone also mentioned an additive product once.
> > >KH
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> > My guess is your friend is confusing CO and HC. The number you posted

> looks
> > more like HC. HC is measured in PPM. CO is measured in percent.
> >
> > Catalytic converters do wear out, and 180k is a lot of miles. It's been

> my
> > experience that HC numbers are usually the first to get up over the

> pass/fail
> > cutoff as the cat gets older. Nothing scientific about my findings,

that
> just
> > seems to be the way it goes most of the time.
> >
> > O2 sensor failure is also pretty common. A good one will switch quickly

> between
> > 0 and 5 volts.
> >
> > Messing with octane *may* help *slightly* with a NOx problem, but will

be
> no
> > help to you if you indeed have a HC problem.
> >
> > A fresh tune couldn't hurt.
> >

>
>




L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-26-2003 07:03 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
Cool! I bet it will pay for it's self shortly in gasoline savings.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Kevin in San Diego wrote:
>
> It turns out my O2 sensor was busted. The ceramic was broken and the wires
> were just hanging!. I popped a new one in and it passed!
> KH


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-26-2003 07:03 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
Cool! I bet it will pay for it's self shortly in gasoline savings.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Kevin in San Diego wrote:
>
> It turns out my O2 sensor was busted. The ceramic was broken and the wires
> were just hanging!. I popped a new one in and it passed!
> KH


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-26-2003 07:03 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
Cool! I bet it will pay for it's self shortly in gasoline savings.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Kevin in San Diego wrote:
>
> It turns out my O2 sensor was busted. The ceramic was broken and the wires
> were just hanging!. I popped a new one in and it passed!
> KH


Kevin in San Diego 11-26-2003 10:19 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
I bet, my mileage has been horrible but I regeared this year and attributed
it to that.
KH

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FC53F44.6159607F@cox.net...
> Cool! I bet it will pay for it's self shortly in gasoline savings.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> >
> > It turns out my O2 sensor was busted. The ceramic was broken and the

wires
> > were just hanging!. I popped a new one in and it passed!
> > KH




Kevin in San Diego 11-26-2003 10:19 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
I bet, my mileage has been horrible but I regeared this year and attributed
it to that.
KH

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FC53F44.6159607F@cox.net...
> Cool! I bet it will pay for it's self shortly in gasoline savings.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> >
> > It turns out my O2 sensor was busted. The ceramic was broken and the

wires
> > were just hanging!. I popped a new one in and it passed!
> > KH




Kevin in San Diego 11-26-2003 10:19 PM

Re: CA Smog help
 
I bet, my mileage has been horrible but I regeared this year and attributed
it to that.
KH

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FC53F44.6159607F@cox.net...
> Cool! I bet it will pay for it's self shortly in gasoline savings.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> >
> > It turns out my O2 sensor was busted. The ceramic was broken and the

wires
> > were just hanging!. I popped a new one in and it passed!
> > KH





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