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buying new Jeep - help !!?
I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic
differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I know axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all the same 6cyl - I can get a yellow rubicon for $28.4k a Willy's for $22,2k and a Tomb Raider '03 for $29.5k What do you think of these prices ? - I am leaning towards a rubicon.. what are some of the features that would make one $23k vs.$28k ? unfortunately I wasn't given any brochures on the Rubicon so I'd know the difference. maybe I'll check the Jeep site now.. thx dave |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
"DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message news:lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com... : I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic : differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. : : - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I know : axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all the : same 6cyl : ****This is how I see it... The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value option packages. The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and whistles. The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. -Brian |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
"DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message news:lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com... : I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic : differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. : : - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I know : axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all the : same 6cyl : ****This is how I see it... The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value option packages. The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and whistles. The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. -Brian |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
"DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message news:lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com... : I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic : differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. : : - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I know : axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all the : same 6cyl : ****This is how I see it... The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value option packages. The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and whistles. The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. -Brian |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Or you could save 20k to 25k and buy a use CJ in great shape. Pay less
license taxes too. then you can accessorize and build your own. "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message news:OPhhb.267779$Lnr1.25423@news01.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com... > > "DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message > news:lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com... > : I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic > : differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. > : > : - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I > know > : axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all the > : same 6cyl > : > ****This is how I see it... > The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. > The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value > option packages. > The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and > whistles. > The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. > The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. > > -Brian > > > |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Or you could save 20k to 25k and buy a use CJ in great shape. Pay less
license taxes too. then you can accessorize and build your own. "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message news:OPhhb.267779$Lnr1.25423@news01.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com... > > "DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message > news:lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com... > : I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic > : differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. > : > : - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I > know > : axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all the > : same 6cyl > : > ****This is how I see it... > The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. > The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value > option packages. > The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and > whistles. > The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. > The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. > > -Brian > > > |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Or you could save 20k to 25k and buy a use CJ in great shape. Pay less
license taxes too. then you can accessorize and build your own. "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message news:OPhhb.267779$Lnr1.25423@news01.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com... > > "DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message > news:lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com... > : I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic > : differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. > : > : - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I > know > : axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all the > : same 6cyl > : > ****This is how I see it... > The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. > The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value > option packages. > The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and > whistles. > The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. > The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. > > -Brian > > > |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Me.. I want one of each!
-- Jim(looking for a TJ)G 80' CJ-7, 258 CID 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines 4.56 D30-D44 SOA D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn 8000i w/dual batteries LockRight F&R "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:bm4cbc$i8n7t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > Or you could save 20k to 25k and buy a use CJ in great shape. Pay less > license taxes too. > > then you can accessorize and build your own. > > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message > news:OPhhb.267779$Lnr1.25423@news01.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com... > > > > "DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message > > news:lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com... > > : I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic > > : differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. > > : > > : - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I > > know > > : axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all > the > > : same 6cyl > > : > > ****This is how I see it... > > The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. > > The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value > > option packages. > > The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and > > whistles. > > The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. > > The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Me.. I want one of each!
-- Jim(looking for a TJ)G 80' CJ-7, 258 CID 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines 4.56 D30-D44 SOA D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn 8000i w/dual batteries LockRight F&R "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:bm4cbc$i8n7t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > Or you could save 20k to 25k and buy a use CJ in great shape. Pay less > license taxes too. > > then you can accessorize and build your own. > > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message > news:OPhhb.267779$Lnr1.25423@news01.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com... > > > > "DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message > > news:lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com... > > : I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic > > : differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. > > : > > : - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I > > know > > : axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all > the > > : same 6cyl > > : > > ****This is how I see it... > > The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. > > The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value > > option packages. > > The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and > > whistles. > > The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. > > The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Me.. I want one of each!
-- Jim(looking for a TJ)G 80' CJ-7, 258 CID 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines 4.56 D30-D44 SOA D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn 8000i w/dual batteries LockRight F&R "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:bm4cbc$i8n7t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > Or you could save 20k to 25k and buy a use CJ in great shape. Pay less > license taxes too. > > then you can accessorize and build your own. > > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message > news:OPhhb.267779$Lnr1.25423@news01.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com... > > > > "DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message > > news:lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com... > > : I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic > > : differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. > > : > > : - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I > > know > > : axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all > the > > : same 6cyl > > : > > ****This is how I see it... > > The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. > > The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value > > option packages. > > The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and > > whistles. > > The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. > > The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers
and transfercase of the rubi if you dont get the rubi get the heavy axles and tow package and large tire option, unless u want small tires... If you ever think about offroad then IMO you cant go better than rubicon! For the price its a good value ... The other models are just about "soft" options, like accoessories, sound, doors, top .... the harsh difference is the rubicon. I think either way you have to applaude Jeep to build and for a fair price sell a fullout off road 4x4, thats unheard of these days (even before). Matt "DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message news:<lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com>. .. > I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic > differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. > > - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I know > axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all the > same 6cyl > > - I can get a yellow rubicon for $28.4k a Willy's for $22,2k and a Tomb > Raider '03 for $29.5k What do you think of these prices ? > > - I am leaning towards a rubicon.. what are some of the features that would > make one $23k vs.$28k ? > > unfortunately I wasn't given any brochures on the Rubicon so I'd know the > difference. maybe I'll check the Jeep site now.. > > thx > dave |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers
and transfercase of the rubi if you dont get the rubi get the heavy axles and tow package and large tire option, unless u want small tires... If you ever think about offroad then IMO you cant go better than rubicon! For the price its a good value ... The other models are just about "soft" options, like accoessories, sound, doors, top .... the harsh difference is the rubicon. I think either way you have to applaude Jeep to build and for a fair price sell a fullout off road 4x4, thats unheard of these days (even before). Matt "DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message news:<lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com>. .. > I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic > differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. > > - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I know > axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all the > same 6cyl > > - I can get a yellow rubicon for $28.4k a Willy's for $22,2k and a Tomb > Raider '03 for $29.5k What do you think of these prices ? > > - I am leaning towards a rubicon.. what are some of the features that would > make one $23k vs.$28k ? > > unfortunately I wasn't given any brochures on the Rubicon so I'd know the > difference. maybe I'll check the Jeep site now.. > > thx > dave |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers
and transfercase of the rubi if you dont get the rubi get the heavy axles and tow package and large tire option, unless u want small tires... If you ever think about offroad then IMO you cant go better than rubicon! For the price its a good value ... The other models are just about "soft" options, like accoessories, sound, doors, top .... the harsh difference is the rubicon. I think either way you have to applaude Jeep to build and for a fair price sell a fullout off road 4x4, thats unheard of these days (even before). Matt "DaveZ" <dzins@dor.state.wi.us> wrote in message news:<lmhhb.179143$pZ5.1972282@news.easynews.com>. .. > I am shopping around.. have done some homework and know the basic > differences between a Rubicon.. and the new Willy's few questions. > > - what are differences between the X,sport,sierra and then rubicon ? I know > axels, gearing, some features but is that about it ? Engines are all the > same 6cyl > > - I can get a yellow rubicon for $28.4k a Willy's for $22,2k and a Tomb > Raider '03 for $29.5k What do you think of these prices ? > > - I am leaning towards a rubicon.. what are some of the features that would > make one $23k vs.$28k ? > > unfortunately I wasn't given any brochures on the Rubicon so I'd know the > difference. maybe I'll check the Jeep site now.. > > thx > dave |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
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> I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers > and transfercase of the rubi > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon. -- JimG 80' CJ-7 258 CID 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
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> I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers > and transfercase of the rubi > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon. -- JimG 80' CJ-7 258 CID 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
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> I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers > and transfercase of the rubi > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon. -- JimG 80' CJ-7 258 CID 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
You can't get the dana 44 on the X. Only the dana 35.
that's the only reason I bought a sport. matt "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message news:wYmhb.2283$Y54.1935@news01.roc.ny... > > > > I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers > > and transfercase of the rubi > > > > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think > you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon. > > -- > JimG > 80' CJ-7 258 CID > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
You can't get the dana 44 on the X. Only the dana 35.
that's the only reason I bought a sport. matt "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message news:wYmhb.2283$Y54.1935@news01.roc.ny... > > > > I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers > > and transfercase of the rubi > > > > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think > you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon. > > -- > JimG > 80' CJ-7 258 CID > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
You can't get the dana 44 on the X. Only the dana 35.
that's the only reason I bought a sport. matt "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message news:wYmhb.2283$Y54.1935@news01.roc.ny... > > > > I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers > > and transfercase of the rubi > > > > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think > you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon. > > -- > JimG > 80' CJ-7 258 CID > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
> ****This is how I see it...
> The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. > The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value > option packages. > The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and > whistles. > The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. > The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. While not well-know to the "newbie," know that the Sahara might not wear as well as the Sport off-road (otherwise known as "the Sahara might be good for your sister"). For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to peal off when hit by something, and the side steps will reduce your clearance and might take a rock hit or two. I bought a Sport and loaded it with nearly all the options of a Sahara. |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
> ****This is how I see it...
> The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. > The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value > option packages. > The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and > whistles. > The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. > The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. While not well-know to the "newbie," know that the Sahara might not wear as well as the Sport off-road (otherwise known as "the Sahara might be good for your sister"). For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to peal off when hit by something, and the side steps will reduce your clearance and might take a rock hit or two. I bought a Sport and loaded it with nearly all the options of a Sahara. |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
> ****This is how I see it...
> The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0. > The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value > option packages. > The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and > whistles. > The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc. > The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport. While not well-know to the "newbie," know that the Sahara might not wear as well as the Sport off-road (otherwise known as "the Sahara might be good for your sister"). For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to peal off when hit by something, and the side steps will reduce your clearance and might take a rock hit or two. I bought a Sport and loaded it with nearly all the options of a Sahara. |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Paint's on tight and won't peel off - you get a bit of crazing or you can
rub it throught to the plastic though. Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "Daniel Melameth" <daniel@melameth.com> wrote in message news:Jgphb.82$3%3.48794@news.uswest.net... For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to : peal off when hit by something |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Paint's on tight and won't peel off - you get a bit of crazing or you can
rub it throught to the plastic though. Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "Daniel Melameth" <daniel@melameth.com> wrote in message news:Jgphb.82$3%3.48794@news.uswest.net... For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to : peal off when hit by something |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Paint's on tight and won't peel off - you get a bit of crazing or you can
rub it throught to the plastic though. Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "Daniel Melameth" <daniel@melameth.com> wrote in message news:Jgphb.82$3%3.48794@news.uswest.net... For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to : peal off when hit by something |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Yup. That makes the X a no-go IMO.
My Opinions on the Models: -------------------------- X: Useless - no rear 44 option. Sport: Good deal. Has the fogs (sure, they aren't as good as IPF or PIAA, but I like having them none the less), but most importantly, has the rear 44 option. GET IT! It comes with 3.73 gearing instead of 3.07. You'll appreciate that. Sahara: Adds silly accessories that aren't as good as the aftermarket counterparts if you really go off-road. I actually have a Sahara I bought used (good deal couldn't pass up). I'll put in an enthusiastic hear, hear to whoever mentioned the annoyance of those sahara sidesteps. They have wedged a rock under me once so I needed a strap (would've slid over otherwise), and I have broken the plastic passenger side step off twice (don't ask why I reinstalled it...). If you like the kind of goodies it includes, though, then it's a nice jeep, and quite good off-road. I can't remember if the 44 is an option or standard for this model, if an option, of course you'll want to get it. Rubicon: Woop! As others said, if you really intend to go off-road, and not just drive around town and on a couple dirt roads once a year, this is a good investment. It's amazing what these things can do with their selectable lockers, incredible low-range 4:1 t-case, and 4.10 diff gears. And if you get the auto (which works quite nicely...a friend has it), you can crawl so slow it hurts (i.e. hurts waiting for the guy to inch his way over an obstacle). Crawling that slow has its advantages though; he hasn't broken anything yet. Tomb Raider Rubi: Don't even think about it. Stupid vehicle. You can get better quality and better looking (and most assuredly better priced) aftermarket add-ons than what the TR Rubi includes. /Bob "Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bm50a5$ir4oa$1@ID-190802.news.uni-berlin.de>... > You can't get the dana 44 on the X. Only the dana 35. > > that's the only reason I bought a sport. > > matt > "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message > news:wYmhb.2283$Y54.1935@news01.roc.ny... > > > > > > I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers > > > and transfercase of the rubi > > > > > > > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think > > you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon. > > > > -- > > JimG > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Yup. That makes the X a no-go IMO.
My Opinions on the Models: -------------------------- X: Useless - no rear 44 option. Sport: Good deal. Has the fogs (sure, they aren't as good as IPF or PIAA, but I like having them none the less), but most importantly, has the rear 44 option. GET IT! It comes with 3.73 gearing instead of 3.07. You'll appreciate that. Sahara: Adds silly accessories that aren't as good as the aftermarket counterparts if you really go off-road. I actually have a Sahara I bought used (good deal couldn't pass up). I'll put in an enthusiastic hear, hear to whoever mentioned the annoyance of those sahara sidesteps. They have wedged a rock under me once so I needed a strap (would've slid over otherwise), and I have broken the plastic passenger side step off twice (don't ask why I reinstalled it...). If you like the kind of goodies it includes, though, then it's a nice jeep, and quite good off-road. I can't remember if the 44 is an option or standard for this model, if an option, of course you'll want to get it. Rubicon: Woop! As others said, if you really intend to go off-road, and not just drive around town and on a couple dirt roads once a year, this is a good investment. It's amazing what these things can do with their selectable lockers, incredible low-range 4:1 t-case, and 4.10 diff gears. And if you get the auto (which works quite nicely...a friend has it), you can crawl so slow it hurts (i.e. hurts waiting for the guy to inch his way over an obstacle). Crawling that slow has its advantages though; he hasn't broken anything yet. Tomb Raider Rubi: Don't even think about it. Stupid vehicle. You can get better quality and better looking (and most assuredly better priced) aftermarket add-ons than what the TR Rubi includes. /Bob "Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bm50a5$ir4oa$1@ID-190802.news.uni-berlin.de>... > You can't get the dana 44 on the X. Only the dana 35. > > that's the only reason I bought a sport. > > matt > "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message > news:wYmhb.2283$Y54.1935@news01.roc.ny... > > > > > > I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers > > > and transfercase of the rubi > > > > > > > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think > > you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon. > > > > -- > > JimG > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
Yup. That makes the X a no-go IMO.
My Opinions on the Models: -------------------------- X: Useless - no rear 44 option. Sport: Good deal. Has the fogs (sure, they aren't as good as IPF or PIAA, but I like having them none the less), but most importantly, has the rear 44 option. GET IT! It comes with 3.73 gearing instead of 3.07. You'll appreciate that. Sahara: Adds silly accessories that aren't as good as the aftermarket counterparts if you really go off-road. I actually have a Sahara I bought used (good deal couldn't pass up). I'll put in an enthusiastic hear, hear to whoever mentioned the annoyance of those sahara sidesteps. They have wedged a rock under me once so I needed a strap (would've slid over otherwise), and I have broken the plastic passenger side step off twice (don't ask why I reinstalled it...). If you like the kind of goodies it includes, though, then it's a nice jeep, and quite good off-road. I can't remember if the 44 is an option or standard for this model, if an option, of course you'll want to get it. Rubicon: Woop! As others said, if you really intend to go off-road, and not just drive around town and on a couple dirt roads once a year, this is a good investment. It's amazing what these things can do with their selectable lockers, incredible low-range 4:1 t-case, and 4.10 diff gears. And if you get the auto (which works quite nicely...a friend has it), you can crawl so slow it hurts (i.e. hurts waiting for the guy to inch his way over an obstacle). Crawling that slow has its advantages though; he hasn't broken anything yet. Tomb Raider Rubi: Don't even think about it. Stupid vehicle. You can get better quality and better looking (and most assuredly better priced) aftermarket add-ons than what the TR Rubi includes. /Bob "Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bm50a5$ir4oa$1@ID-190802.news.uni-berlin.de>... > You can't get the dana 44 on the X. Only the dana 35. > > that's the only reason I bought a sport. > > matt > "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message > news:wYmhb.2283$Y54.1935@news01.roc.ny... > > > > > > I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers > > > and transfercase of the rubi > > > > > > > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think > > you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon. > > > > -- > > JimG > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
....and then you gave it to your sister? :)
The paint on my Sahara flares never peeled off and since you mention it, the flares on the Rubicon are painted matte. Sidesteps are quickly removeable and should probably be replaced by rocker panel protection on any Wrangler model. If you like the Sahara, get the Sahara. It will be no worse for wear than a Sport. Besides, up to '03, they had WAY better seats. Daniel Melameth wrote: > While not well-know to the "newbie," know that the Sahara might not wear as > well as the Sport off-road (otherwise known as "the Sahara might be good for > your sister"). For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to > peal off when hit by something, and the side steps will reduce your > clearance and might take a rock hit or two. > > I bought a Sport and loaded it with nearly all the options of a Sahara. -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
....and then you gave it to your sister? :)
The paint on my Sahara flares never peeled off and since you mention it, the flares on the Rubicon are painted matte. Sidesteps are quickly removeable and should probably be replaced by rocker panel protection on any Wrangler model. If you like the Sahara, get the Sahara. It will be no worse for wear than a Sport. Besides, up to '03, they had WAY better seats. Daniel Melameth wrote: > While not well-know to the "newbie," know that the Sahara might not wear as > well as the Sport off-road (otherwise known as "the Sahara might be good for > your sister"). For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to > peal off when hit by something, and the side steps will reduce your > clearance and might take a rock hit or two. > > I bought a Sport and loaded it with nearly all the options of a Sahara. -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: buying new Jeep - help !!?
....and then you gave it to your sister? :)
The paint on my Sahara flares never peeled off and since you mention it, the flares on the Rubicon are painted matte. Sidesteps are quickly removeable and should probably be replaced by rocker panel protection on any Wrangler model. If you like the Sahara, get the Sahara. It will be no worse for wear than a Sport. Besides, up to '03, they had WAY better seats. Daniel Melameth wrote: > While not well-know to the "newbie," know that the Sahara might not wear as > well as the Sport off-road (otherwise known as "the Sahara might be good for > your sister"). For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to > peal off when hit by something, and the side steps will reduce your > clearance and might take a rock hit or two. > > I bought a Sport and loaded it with nearly all the options of a Sahara. -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
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