Re: Busted ZJ Trailer Wiring
 

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> > My '98 5.9 Limited trailer wiring is messed up. All the lights on the
Jeep
> > itself work fine, but there's no voltage coming through the tan wire
(right
> > hand turn signal) in the trailer connector at all under any
circumstances.
> > The light green wire (left hand turn) works fine. The Haynes manual
wiring
> > diagram is crap, it indicates the tan wire comes from a connector under
the
> > rear seat. No such connector exists.
>
> That's where it is in the 93, but 95 changed some of the wiring up.
>
> > Can somebody with a proper wiring diagram tell me where the other end of
> > this tan wire goes so I don't have to completely disassemble the entire
> > vehicle?
>
> The harness system had its own relays in the 93, they were located behind
the
> cladding at the back on the passenger side. I think in 95 they moved the
harness
> over to the left side behind the access door by the spare tire. When mine
failed
> it was due to a corroded pin in the 6 way connector.
> http://members.cox.net/wilsond/Fixes...mpfailure.html

There's no such access door on mine anywhere in the trunk. Everything is
totally sealed up with very un-jeep-like plastic with no exposed fasteners.
I even removed the tail lamps hoping that that would get me access into
wiring I assume is in the quarter panels, but no luck, there's just basic
light wiring disappearing into a little grommet. There's no wiring
accessible anywhere from underneath either. No luck lifting the trunk carpet
from the back either.

> I'd start by tracking the harness back from the trailer connector. There
are no
> seperate fuses for the trailer group, just relays and connectors. I'm
betting
> it's the same burned pin.

Well, that's what I've been doing. I started by testing the output from the
7-way to 4-way converter, then the 7-way connector under the bumper, then
the connector that connects the 7-way thingy to the wiring that comes out
from behind the bumper. Testing beyond that is impossible so far, since I've
no idea where the other end of that tan wire is. It's not under the rear
seat like the Haynes diagram (labelled "Typical", hah) indicates it should
be, and I can't seem uncover any other wiring anywhere without resorting to
a zip-cut on my grinder to get through all the plastic.

/Peter

Re: Busted ZJ Trailer Wiring
 

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:fzF0f.2246$xE1.442@okepread07...
> Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> > My '98 5.9 Limited trailer wiring is messed up. All the lights on the
Jeep
> > itself work fine, but there's no voltage coming through the tan wire
(right
> > hand turn signal) in the trailer connector at all under any
circumstances.
> > The light green wire (left hand turn) works fine. The Haynes manual
wiring
> > diagram is crap, it indicates the tan wire comes from a connector under
the
> > rear seat. No such connector exists.
>
> That's where it is in the 93, but 95 changed some of the wiring up.
>
> > Can somebody with a proper wiring diagram tell me where the other end of
> > this tan wire goes so I don't have to completely disassemble the entire
> > vehicle?
>
> The harness system had its own relays in the 93, they were located behind
the
> cladding at the back on the passenger side. I think in 95 they moved the
harness
> over to the left side behind the access door by the spare tire. When mine
failed
> it was due to a corroded pin in the 6 way connector.
> http://members.cox.net/wilsond/Fixes...mpfailure.html

There's no such access door on mine anywhere in the trunk. Everything is
totally sealed up with very un-jeep-like plastic with no exposed fasteners.
I even removed the tail lamps hoping that that would get me access into
wiring I assume is in the quarter panels, but no luck, there's just basic
light wiring disappearing into a little grommet. There's no wiring
accessible anywhere from underneath either. No luck lifting the trunk carpet
from the back either.

> I'd start by tracking the harness back from the trailer connector. There
are no
> seperate fuses for the trailer group, just relays and connectors. I'm
betting
> it's the same burned pin.

Well, that's what I've been doing. I started by testing the output from the
7-way to 4-way converter, then the 7-way connector under the bumper, then
the connector that connects the 7-way thingy to the wiring that comes out
from behind the bumper. Testing beyond that is impossible so far, since I've
no idea where the other end of that tan wire is. It's not under the rear
seat like the Haynes diagram (labelled "Typical", hah) indicates it should
be, and I can't seem uncover any other wiring anywhere without resorting to
a zip-cut on my grinder to get through all the plastic.

/Peter

Re: Busted ZJ Trailer Wiring
 

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:fzF0f.2246$xE1.442@okepread07...
> Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> > My '98 5.9 Limited trailer wiring is messed up. All the lights on the
Jeep
> > itself work fine, but there's no voltage coming through the tan wire
(right
> > hand turn signal) in the trailer connector at all under any
circumstances.
> > The light green wire (left hand turn) works fine. The Haynes manual
wiring
> > diagram is crap, it indicates the tan wire comes from a connector under
the
> > rear seat. No such connector exists.
>
> That's where it is in the 93, but 95 changed some of the wiring up.
>
> > Can somebody with a proper wiring diagram tell me where the other end of
> > this tan wire goes so I don't have to completely disassemble the entire
> > vehicle?
>
> The harness system had its own relays in the 93, they were located behind
the
> cladding at the back on the passenger side. I think in 95 they moved the
harness
> over to the left side behind the access door by the spare tire. When mine
failed
> it was due to a corroded pin in the 6 way connector.
> http://members.cox.net/wilsond/Fixes...mpfailure.html

There's no such access door on mine anywhere in the trunk. Everything is
totally sealed up with very un-jeep-like plastic with no exposed fasteners.
I even removed the tail lamps hoping that that would get me access into
wiring I assume is in the quarter panels, but no luck, there's just basic
light wiring disappearing into a little grommet. There's no wiring
accessible anywhere from underneath either. No luck lifting the trunk carpet
from the back either.

> I'd start by tracking the harness back from the trailer connector. There
are no
> seperate fuses for the trailer group, just relays and connectors. I'm
betting
> it's the same burned pin.

Well, that's what I've been doing. I started by testing the output from the
7-way to 4-way converter, then the 7-way connector under the bumper, then
the connector that connects the 7-way thingy to the wiring that comes out
from behind the bumper. Testing beyond that is impossible so far, since I've
no idea where the other end of that tan wire is. It's not under the rear
seat like the Haynes diagram (labelled "Typical", hah) indicates it should
be, and I can't seem uncover any other wiring anywhere without resorting to
a zip-cut on my grinder to get through all the plastic.

/Peter

Re: Busted ZJ Trailer Wiring
 

Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:

>DougW wrote:
> There's no such access door on mine anywhere in the trunk. Everything is
> totally sealed up with very un-jeep-like plastic with no exposed fasteners.

Guess they got rid of the door too. :/
http://members.cox.net/wilsond/spot-4-bap-module.jpg

>> I'd start by tracking the harness back from the trailer connector. There
>> are no seperate fuses for the trailer group, just relays and connectors.
>> I'm betting it's the same burned pin.
>
> Well, that's what I've been doing. I started by testing the output from the
> 7-way to 4-way converter, then the 7-way connector under the bumper, then
> the connector that connects the 7-way thingy to the wiring that comes out
> from behind the bumper.

To get the back panels off mine you have to remove the lower sill cladding
and pull down the upper cladding after removing the two screws you can see
and the two hidden behind the cargo lamp lens. There are a few screws holding
in the rear D panels, then removing the cargo cover mounts, the rear sides can
be pulled free. Generally everything is held in by metal clips that are poorly
fastened to the plastic panels. (I've had to epoxy back four of them so far)

I'd probably call a dealership and find out if they have the service book
and would let you take some notes/photocopies. Most don't have a problem
with this.

--
DougW

Re: Busted ZJ Trailer Wiring
 

Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:

>DougW wrote:
> There's no such access door on mine anywhere in the trunk. Everything is
> totally sealed up with very un-jeep-like plastic with no exposed fasteners.

Guess they got rid of the door too. :/
http://members.cox.net/wilsond/spot-4-bap-module.jpg

>> I'd start by tracking the harness back from the trailer connector. There
>> are no seperate fuses for the trailer group, just relays and connectors.
>> I'm betting it's the same burned pin.
>
> Well, that's what I've been doing. I started by testing the output from the
> 7-way to 4-way converter, then the 7-way connector under the bumper, then
> the connector that connects the 7-way thingy to the wiring that comes out
> from behind the bumper.

To get the back panels off mine you have to remove the lower sill cladding
and pull down the upper cladding after removing the two screws you can see
and the two hidden behind the cargo lamp lens. There are a few screws holding
in the rear D panels, then removing the cargo cover mounts, the rear sides can
be pulled free. Generally everything is held in by metal clips that are poorly
fastened to the plastic panels. (I've had to epoxy back four of them so far)

I'd probably call a dealership and find out if they have the service book
and would let you take some notes/photocopies. Most don't have a problem
with this.

--
DougW

Re: Busted ZJ Trailer Wiring
 

Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:

>DougW wrote:
> There's no such access door on mine anywhere in the trunk. Everything is
> totally sealed up with very un-jeep-like plastic with no exposed fasteners.

Guess they got rid of the door too. :/
http://members.cox.net/wilsond/spot-4-bap-module.jpg

>> I'd start by tracking the harness back from the trailer connector. There
>> are no seperate fuses for the trailer group, just relays and connectors.
>> I'm betting it's the same burned pin.
>
> Well, that's what I've been doing. I started by testing the output from the
> 7-way to 4-way converter, then the 7-way connector under the bumper, then
> the connector that connects the 7-way thingy to the wiring that comes out
> from behind the bumper.

To get the back panels off mine you have to remove the lower sill cladding
and pull down the upper cladding after removing the two screws you can see
and the two hidden behind the cargo lamp lens. There are a few screws holding
in the rear D panels, then removing the cargo cover mounts, the rear sides can
be pulled free. Generally everything is held in by metal clips that are poorly
fastened to the plastic panels. (I've had to epoxy back four of them so far)

I'd probably call a dealership and find out if they have the service book
and would let you take some notes/photocopies. Most don't have a problem
with this.

--
DougW

Re: Busted ZJ Trailer Wiring
 

The farthest back I have is the '99 WJ model year but that is a different
body style.

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"Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
news:h-WdnYihz63Ntd7eRVn-2g@storm.ca...
>I suppose I should have mentioned that it has the factory hitch and trailer
> wiring. I've cleaned all the connections I can get to from under the rear
> bumper to no avail.
>
> /Peter
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:434325ED.8FDDC936@cox.net...
>> Your year takes a special pig tail:
>> http://www.accessconnect.com/trailerwiring.htm
>> http://www.etrailer.com/faq/wiring.asp
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>> >
>> > My '98 5.9 Limited trailer wiring is messed up. All the lights on the
> Jeep
>> > itself work fine, but there's no voltage coming through the tan wire
> (right
>> > hand turn signal) in the trailer connector at all under any
> circumstances.
>> > The light green wire (left hand turn) works fine. The Haynes manual
> wiring
>> > diagram is crap, it indicates the tan wire comes from a connector under
> the
>> > rear seat. No such connector exists.
>> >
>> > Can somebody with a proper wiring diagram tell me where the other end
>> > of
>> > this tan wire goes so I don't have to completely disassemble the entire
>> > vehicle?
>> >
>> > /Peter
>
>

Re: Busted ZJ Trailer Wiring
 

The farthest back I have is the '99 WJ model year but that is a different
body style.

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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
news:h-WdnYihz63Ntd7eRVn-2g@storm.ca...
>I suppose I should have mentioned that it has the factory hitch and trailer
> wiring. I've cleaned all the connections I can get to from under the rear
> bumper to no avail.
>
> /Peter
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:434325ED.8FDDC936@cox.net...
>> Your year takes a special pig tail:
>> http://www.accessconnect.com/trailerwiring.htm
>> http://www.etrailer.com/faq/wiring.asp
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>> >
>> > My '98 5.9 Limited trailer wiring is messed up. All the lights on the
> Jeep
>> > itself work fine, but there's no voltage coming through the tan wire
> (right
>> > hand turn signal) in the trailer connector at all under any
> circumstances.
>> > The light green wire (left hand turn) works fine. The Haynes manual
> wiring
>> > diagram is crap, it indicates the tan wire comes from a connector under
> the
>> > rear seat. No such connector exists.
>> >
>> > Can somebody with a proper wiring diagram tell me where the other end
>> > of
>> > this tan wire goes so I don't have to completely disassemble the entire
>> > vehicle?
>> >
>> > /Peter
>
>

Re: Busted ZJ Trailer Wiring
 

The farthest back I have is the '99 WJ model year but that is a different
body style.

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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
news:h-WdnYihz63Ntd7eRVn-2g@storm.ca...
>I suppose I should have mentioned that it has the factory hitch and trailer
> wiring. I've cleaned all the connections I can get to from under the rear
> bumper to no avail.
>
> /Peter
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:434325ED.8FDDC936@cox.net...
>> Your year takes a special pig tail:
>> http://www.accessconnect.com/trailerwiring.htm
>> http://www.etrailer.com/faq/wiring.asp
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>> >
>> > My '98 5.9 Limited trailer wiring is messed up. All the lights on the
> Jeep
>> > itself work fine, but there's no voltage coming through the tan wire
> (right
>> > hand turn signal) in the trailer connector at all under any
> circumstances.
>> > The light green wire (left hand turn) works fine. The Haynes manual
> wiring
>> > diagram is crap, it indicates the tan wire comes from a connector under
> the
>> > rear seat. No such connector exists.
>> >
>> > Can somebody with a proper wiring diagram tell me where the other end
>> > of
>> > this tan wire goes so I don't have to completely disassemble the entire
>> > vehicle?
>> >
>> > /Peter
>
>

Re: Busted ZJ Trailer Wiring
 

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
>
> >DougW wrote:
> > There's no such access door on mine anywhere in the trunk. Everything is
> > totally sealed up with very un-jeep-like plastic with no exposed
fasteners.
>
> Guess they got rid of the door too. :/
> http://members.cox.net/wilsond/spot-4-bap-module.jpg

I guess so. I finally found the next connector up, and it's not getting any
power on the tan wire either. According to the Haynes manual, the next thing
up is a splice with one wire going off to the right rear turn signal, which
works fine. I'm really stumped now.

> >> I'd start by tracking the harness back from the trailer connector.
There
> >> are no seperate fuses for the trailer group, just relays and
connectors.
> >> I'm betting it's the same burned pin.
> >
> > Well, that's what I've been doing. I started by testing the output from
the
> > 7-way to 4-way converter, then the 7-way connector under the bumper,
then
> > the connector that connects the 7-way thingy to the wiring that comes
out
> > from behind the bumper.
>
> To get the back panels off mine you have to remove the lower sill cladding
> and pull down the upper cladding after removing the two screws you can see
> and the two hidden behind the cargo lamp lens. There are a few screws
holding
> in the rear D panels, then removing the cargo cover mounts, the rear sides
can
> be pulled free. Generally everything is held in by metal clips that are
poorly
> fastened to the plastic panels. (I've had to epoxy back four of them so
far)

Thanks, that's what I did. The glue is drying now.

> I'd probably call a dealership and find out if they have the service book
> and would let you take some notes/photocopies. Most don't have a problem
> with this.

That's what I'm going to do next, but I'm going to get a quote on fixing the
darn thing too.

/Peter