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Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
No hay mal que por bien no venga. Or as you gringoes say, every cloud has a
silver lining. Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:458EB7F9.ECCCAD0F@sympatico.ca... > I'll bet that also made one driver relieved. He or she would have been > thinking they were the ones that killed some poor guy in an accident > when in fact, it was someone or something else that dealt the fatal > blow. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > In one case I heard about, the subject was allegedly killed because his > > airbag inflated improperly, failing to save him from the effects of a > > collision. It turned out from black box data that the car had actually been > > involved in two collisions, seconds apart, and that the airbag had properly > > deflated itself before the second, fatal one. In this case, black box data > > cleared the manufacturer of fault. Maybe if the subject had had his > > seatbelt fastened, it could have saved him, but as the black box data > > proved, there was nothing the manufacturer could have done, to improve the > > subject's chances of survival in this case. > > > > I am all for justice, but consider this. Who pays to put that black box in > > the car in the first place? (Customer does.) How do they legally get the > > customer to pay his own money to install a device whose main purpose seems > > to be to clear the manufacturer of liability in civil suits, and as a side > > benefit implicates the customer in criminal proceedings? The main argument > > for these things is that they "increase vehicle safety" but I don't yet see > > how they do that. > > > > Earle > > > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > > news:pvato257c54qprfo23hs9do8uib3ulh9h4@4ax.com... > > > If you're gonna drive like a fool, endangering not only yourself, but > > > everyone else on the road, and are afraid you won't be able to lie > > > your way out of it, then go ahead and be paranoid. > > > > > > If that insults you, jackass...Good! > > > > > > On 24 Dec 2006 01:00:18 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" > > > <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Kind of an insult, Mr. bllsht, to suggest it is paranoid to wonder if a > > > >manufacturer included a black box in your car. As a preliminary matter, > > > >if a black box is included, then it may be subject to discovery if you > > > >get in a car accident lawsuit, or worse, are subject to criminal > > > >charges, (which could work for you or against you, but would most > > > >certainly reduce any wiggle room). If you think that's paranoid, idiot, > > > >just check the court dockets or some of the deposition transcripts in > > > >auto cases (it's amazing how everyone states they were traveling at the > > > >speed limit, had the green or yellow light, applied their brakes, > > > >etc.). > > > > > > > >bllsht wrote: > > > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 23 Dec 2006 10:48:00 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" > > > >> <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them > > (and > > > >> >whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the > > > >> >auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any > > > >> >car with an airbag does have them. |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
No hay mal que por bien no venga. Or as you gringoes say, every cloud has a
silver lining. Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:458EB7F9.ECCCAD0F@sympatico.ca... > I'll bet that also made one driver relieved. He or she would have been > thinking they were the ones that killed some poor guy in an accident > when in fact, it was someone or something else that dealt the fatal > blow. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > In one case I heard about, the subject was allegedly killed because his > > airbag inflated improperly, failing to save him from the effects of a > > collision. It turned out from black box data that the car had actually been > > involved in two collisions, seconds apart, and that the airbag had properly > > deflated itself before the second, fatal one. In this case, black box data > > cleared the manufacturer of fault. Maybe if the subject had had his > > seatbelt fastened, it could have saved him, but as the black box data > > proved, there was nothing the manufacturer could have done, to improve the > > subject's chances of survival in this case. > > > > I am all for justice, but consider this. Who pays to put that black box in > > the car in the first place? (Customer does.) How do they legally get the > > customer to pay his own money to install a device whose main purpose seems > > to be to clear the manufacturer of liability in civil suits, and as a side > > benefit implicates the customer in criminal proceedings? The main argument > > for these things is that they "increase vehicle safety" but I don't yet see > > how they do that. > > > > Earle > > > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > > news:pvato257c54qprfo23hs9do8uib3ulh9h4@4ax.com... > > > If you're gonna drive like a fool, endangering not only yourself, but > > > everyone else on the road, and are afraid you won't be able to lie > > > your way out of it, then go ahead and be paranoid. > > > > > > If that insults you, jackass...Good! > > > > > > On 24 Dec 2006 01:00:18 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" > > > <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Kind of an insult, Mr. bllsht, to suggest it is paranoid to wonder if a > > > >manufacturer included a black box in your car. As a preliminary matter, > > > >if a black box is included, then it may be subject to discovery if you > > > >get in a car accident lawsuit, or worse, are subject to criminal > > > >charges, (which could work for you or against you, but would most > > > >certainly reduce any wiggle room). If you think that's paranoid, idiot, > > > >just check the court dockets or some of the deposition transcripts in > > > >auto cases (it's amazing how everyone states they were traveling at the > > > >speed limit, had the green or yellow light, applied their brakes, > > > >etc.). > > > > > > > >bllsht wrote: > > > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 23 Dec 2006 10:48:00 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" > > > >> <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them > > (and > > > >> >whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the > > > >> >auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any > > > >> >car with an airbag does have them. |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
No hay mal que por bien no venga. Or as you gringoes say, every cloud has a
silver lining. Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:458EB7F9.ECCCAD0F@sympatico.ca... > I'll bet that also made one driver relieved. He or she would have been > thinking they were the ones that killed some poor guy in an accident > when in fact, it was someone or something else that dealt the fatal > blow. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > In one case I heard about, the subject was allegedly killed because his > > airbag inflated improperly, failing to save him from the effects of a > > collision. It turned out from black box data that the car had actually been > > involved in two collisions, seconds apart, and that the airbag had properly > > deflated itself before the second, fatal one. In this case, black box data > > cleared the manufacturer of fault. Maybe if the subject had had his > > seatbelt fastened, it could have saved him, but as the black box data > > proved, there was nothing the manufacturer could have done, to improve the > > subject's chances of survival in this case. > > > > I am all for justice, but consider this. Who pays to put that black box in > > the car in the first place? (Customer does.) How do they legally get the > > customer to pay his own money to install a device whose main purpose seems > > to be to clear the manufacturer of liability in civil suits, and as a side > > benefit implicates the customer in criminal proceedings? The main argument > > for these things is that they "increase vehicle safety" but I don't yet see > > how they do that. > > > > Earle > > > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > > news:pvato257c54qprfo23hs9do8uib3ulh9h4@4ax.com... > > > If you're gonna drive like a fool, endangering not only yourself, but > > > everyone else on the road, and are afraid you won't be able to lie > > > your way out of it, then go ahead and be paranoid. > > > > > > If that insults you, jackass...Good! > > > > > > On 24 Dec 2006 01:00:18 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" > > > <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Kind of an insult, Mr. bllsht, to suggest it is paranoid to wonder if a > > > >manufacturer included a black box in your car. As a preliminary matter, > > > >if a black box is included, then it may be subject to discovery if you > > > >get in a car accident lawsuit, or worse, are subject to criminal > > > >charges, (which could work for you or against you, but would most > > > >certainly reduce any wiggle room). If you think that's paranoid, idiot, > > > >just check the court dockets or some of the deposition transcripts in > > > >auto cases (it's amazing how everyone states they were traveling at the > > > >speed limit, had the green or yellow light, applied their brakes, > > > >etc.). > > > > > > > >bllsht wrote: > > > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 23 Dec 2006 10:48:00 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" > > > >> <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them > > (and > > > >> >whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the > > > >> >auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any > > > >> >car with an airbag does have them. |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:01:17 -0700, "Earle Horton"
<earle@sabinoarana.org> wrote: >In one case I heard about, the subject was allegedly killed because his >airbag inflated improperly, failing to save him from the effects of a >collision. It turned out from black box data that the car had actually been >involved in two collisions, seconds apart, and that the airbag had properly >deflated itself before the second, fatal one. In this case, black box data >cleared the manufacturer of fault. Maybe if the subject had had his >seatbelt fastened, it could have saved him, but as the black box data >proved, there was nothing the manufacturer could have done, to improve the >subject's chances of survival in this case. > >I am all for justice, but consider this. Who pays to put that black box in >the car in the first place? (Customer does.) How do they legally get the >customer to pay his own money to install a device whose main purpose seems >to be to clear the manufacturer of liability in civil suits, and as a side >benefit implicates the customer in criminal proceedings? The main argument >for these things is that they "increase vehicle safety" but I don't yet see >how they do that. I guess it depends on who's using the data, and what their motive is. A manufacturer learning how their systems work in the real world would be much less newsworthy than somebody who kills while driving like an idiot and is held liable based based on captured data. > >Earle > >"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message >news:pvato257c54qprfo23hs9do8uib3ulh9h4@4ax.com.. . >> If you're gonna drive like a fool, endangering not only yourself, but >> everyone else on the road, and are afraid you won't be able to lie >> your way out of it, then go ahead and be paranoid. >> >> If that insults you, jackass...Good! >> >> On 24 Dec 2006 01:00:18 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" >> <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >Kind of an insult, Mr. bllsht, to suggest it is paranoid to wonder if a >> >manufacturer included a black box in your car. As a preliminary matter, >> >if a black box is included, then it may be subject to discovery if you >> >get in a car accident lawsuit, or worse, are subject to criminal >> >charges, (which could work for you or against you, but would most >> >certainly reduce any wiggle room). If you think that's paranoid, idiot, >> >just check the court dockets or some of the deposition transcripts in >> >auto cases (it's amazing how everyone states they were traveling at the >> >speed limit, had the green or yellow light, applied their brakes, >> >etc.). >> > >> >bllsht wrote: >> >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 23 Dec 2006 10:48:00 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" >> >> <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them >(and >> >> >whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the >> >> >auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any >> >> >car with an airbag does have them. > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:01:17 -0700, "Earle Horton"
<earle@sabinoarana.org> wrote: >In one case I heard about, the subject was allegedly killed because his >airbag inflated improperly, failing to save him from the effects of a >collision. It turned out from black box data that the car had actually been >involved in two collisions, seconds apart, and that the airbag had properly >deflated itself before the second, fatal one. In this case, black box data >cleared the manufacturer of fault. Maybe if the subject had had his >seatbelt fastened, it could have saved him, but as the black box data >proved, there was nothing the manufacturer could have done, to improve the >subject's chances of survival in this case. > >I am all for justice, but consider this. Who pays to put that black box in >the car in the first place? (Customer does.) How do they legally get the >customer to pay his own money to install a device whose main purpose seems >to be to clear the manufacturer of liability in civil suits, and as a side >benefit implicates the customer in criminal proceedings? The main argument >for these things is that they "increase vehicle safety" but I don't yet see >how they do that. I guess it depends on who's using the data, and what their motive is. A manufacturer learning how their systems work in the real world would be much less newsworthy than somebody who kills while driving like an idiot and is held liable based based on captured data. > >Earle > >"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message >news:pvato257c54qprfo23hs9do8uib3ulh9h4@4ax.com.. . >> If you're gonna drive like a fool, endangering not only yourself, but >> everyone else on the road, and are afraid you won't be able to lie >> your way out of it, then go ahead and be paranoid. >> >> If that insults you, jackass...Good! >> >> On 24 Dec 2006 01:00:18 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" >> <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >Kind of an insult, Mr. bllsht, to suggest it is paranoid to wonder if a >> >manufacturer included a black box in your car. As a preliminary matter, >> >if a black box is included, then it may be subject to discovery if you >> >get in a car accident lawsuit, or worse, are subject to criminal >> >charges, (which could work for you or against you, but would most >> >certainly reduce any wiggle room). If you think that's paranoid, idiot, >> >just check the court dockets or some of the deposition transcripts in >> >auto cases (it's amazing how everyone states they were traveling at the >> >speed limit, had the green or yellow light, applied their brakes, >> >etc.). >> > >> >bllsht wrote: >> >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 23 Dec 2006 10:48:00 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" >> >> <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them >(and >> >> >whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the >> >> >auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any >> >> >car with an airbag does have them. > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:01:17 -0700, "Earle Horton"
<earle@sabinoarana.org> wrote: >In one case I heard about, the subject was allegedly killed because his >airbag inflated improperly, failing to save him from the effects of a >collision. It turned out from black box data that the car had actually been >involved in two collisions, seconds apart, and that the airbag had properly >deflated itself before the second, fatal one. In this case, black box data >cleared the manufacturer of fault. Maybe if the subject had had his >seatbelt fastened, it could have saved him, but as the black box data >proved, there was nothing the manufacturer could have done, to improve the >subject's chances of survival in this case. > >I am all for justice, but consider this. Who pays to put that black box in >the car in the first place? (Customer does.) How do they legally get the >customer to pay his own money to install a device whose main purpose seems >to be to clear the manufacturer of liability in civil suits, and as a side >benefit implicates the customer in criminal proceedings? The main argument >for these things is that they "increase vehicle safety" but I don't yet see >how they do that. I guess it depends on who's using the data, and what their motive is. A manufacturer learning how their systems work in the real world would be much less newsworthy than somebody who kills while driving like an idiot and is held liable based based on captured data. > >Earle > >"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message >news:pvato257c54qprfo23hs9do8uib3ulh9h4@4ax.com.. . >> If you're gonna drive like a fool, endangering not only yourself, but >> everyone else on the road, and are afraid you won't be able to lie >> your way out of it, then go ahead and be paranoid. >> >> If that insults you, jackass...Good! >> >> On 24 Dec 2006 01:00:18 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" >> <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >Kind of an insult, Mr. bllsht, to suggest it is paranoid to wonder if a >> >manufacturer included a black box in your car. As a preliminary matter, >> >if a black box is included, then it may be subject to discovery if you >> >get in a car accident lawsuit, or worse, are subject to criminal >> >charges, (which could work for you or against you, but would most >> >certainly reduce any wiggle room). If you think that's paranoid, idiot, >> >just check the court dockets or some of the deposition transcripts in >> >auto cases (it's amazing how everyone states they were traveling at the >> >speed limit, had the green or yellow light, applied their brakes, >> >etc.). >> > >> >bllsht wrote: >> >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 23 Dec 2006 10:48:00 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" >> >> <doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them >(and >> >> >whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the >> >> >auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any >> >> >car with an airbag does have them. > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Ditto.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > So the guy tried to lie for an insurance scam or to avoid a ticket or to > avoid liability with whom he hit. > > The SOB deserves every ticket and lawyers fees he has incurred in my > opinion And he deserves to be nailed for being a liar. > > What about the victims of his lies? > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Ditto.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > So the guy tried to lie for an insurance scam or to avoid a ticket or to > avoid liability with whom he hit. > > The SOB deserves every ticket and lawyers fees he has incurred in my > opinion And he deserves to be nailed for being a liar. > > What about the victims of his lies? > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Ditto.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > So the guy tried to lie for an insurance scam or to avoid a ticket or to > avoid liability with whom he hit. > > The SOB deserves every ticket and lawyers fees he has incurred in my > opinion And he deserves to be nailed for being a liar. > > What about the victims of his lies? > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
So you're doing 65 in a 60 when the guy next to you sideswipes you
into the ditch. Want to guess who's fault it is? Perhaps you'll like paying taxes based on the miles you drive? Or the roads you drive on? This is only the start and already we're not being informed of the extent of the monitoring underway. It's only going to become more and more obtrusive. On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:22:16 -0500, "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote: >This just proves that someone involved in the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" >was able to either alter the black box data after the fact. > > ><Matt Osborn> wrote in message >news:nkaso298abli2rdg96hmdtf3di82ajqcb7@4ax.com.. . >> "The "black box" recorded that the SUV was traveling at 71 mph about >> five seconds before its airbags deployed. Trask told investigators >> that his speedometer showed 55 mph before he began passing the car." >> >> http://www.motorists.com/issues/edrs/mainegovernor.html >> >> >> Can you afford the attorney fees necessary to protect yourself? >> >> >> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:06:55 -0800, bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote: >> >>>Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >>> >>> >>> >>>On 23 Dec 2006 10:48:00 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" >>><doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and >>>>whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the >>>>auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any >>>>car with an airbag does have them. >> >> >> >> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com > -- msosborn at msosborn dot com |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
So you're doing 65 in a 60 when the guy next to you sideswipes you
into the ditch. Want to guess who's fault it is? Perhaps you'll like paying taxes based on the miles you drive? Or the roads you drive on? This is only the start and already we're not being informed of the extent of the monitoring underway. It's only going to become more and more obtrusive. On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:22:16 -0500, "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote: >This just proves that someone involved in the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" >was able to either alter the black box data after the fact. > > ><Matt Osborn> wrote in message >news:nkaso298abli2rdg96hmdtf3di82ajqcb7@4ax.com.. . >> "The "black box" recorded that the SUV was traveling at 71 mph about >> five seconds before its airbags deployed. Trask told investigators >> that his speedometer showed 55 mph before he began passing the car." >> >> http://www.motorists.com/issues/edrs/mainegovernor.html >> >> >> Can you afford the attorney fees necessary to protect yourself? >> >> >> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:06:55 -0800, bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote: >> >>>Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >>> >>> >>> >>>On 23 Dec 2006 10:48:00 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" >>><doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and >>>>whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the >>>>auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any >>>>car with an airbag does have them. >> >> >> >> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com > -- msosborn at msosborn dot com |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
So you're doing 65 in a 60 when the guy next to you sideswipes you
into the ditch. Want to guess who's fault it is? Perhaps you'll like paying taxes based on the miles you drive? Or the roads you drive on? This is only the start and already we're not being informed of the extent of the monitoring underway. It's only going to become more and more obtrusive. On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:22:16 -0500, "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote: >This just proves that someone involved in the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" >was able to either alter the black box data after the fact. > > ><Matt Osborn> wrote in message >news:nkaso298abli2rdg96hmdtf3di82ajqcb7@4ax.com.. . >> "The "black box" recorded that the SUV was traveling at 71 mph about >> five seconds before its airbags deployed. Trask told investigators >> that his speedometer showed 55 mph before he began passing the car." >> >> http://www.motorists.com/issues/edrs/mainegovernor.html >> >> >> Can you afford the attorney fees necessary to protect yourself? >> >> >> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:06:55 -0800, bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote: >> >>>Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >>> >>> >>> >>>On 23 Dec 2006 10:48:00 -0800, "doylexus@yahoo.com" >>><doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and >>>>whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the >>>>auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any >>>>car with an airbag does have them. >> >> >> >> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com > -- msosborn at msosborn dot com |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now used
are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black box" is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and limitations on everybody's life. Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I drive on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to imagine at this time. For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that both of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already happening and will happen in the near future. Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and limitations on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 or 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used in the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be before smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not allow your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? Tom > >bllsht wrote: > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. > >> |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now used
are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black box" is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and limitations on everybody's life. Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I drive on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to imagine at this time. For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that both of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already happening and will happen in the near future. Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and limitations on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 or 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used in the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be before smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not allow your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? Tom > >bllsht wrote: > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. > >> |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now used
are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black box" is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and limitations on everybody's life. Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I drive on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to imagine at this time. For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that both of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already happening and will happen in the near future. Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and limitations on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 or 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used in the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be before smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not allow your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? Tom > >bllsht wrote: > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. > >> |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a cigaret.
Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some citizens prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them from smoking in their vehicles? Earle "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... > The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now used > are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black box" > is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and > limitations on everybody's life. > > Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I drive > on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other > limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to > imagine at this time. > > For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George > Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that both > of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already happening > and will happen in the near future. > > Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and limitations > on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 or > 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used in > the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be before > smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not allow > your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? > > Tom > > > >bllsht wrote: > > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. > > >> > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a cigaret.
Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some citizens prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them from smoking in their vehicles? Earle "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... > The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now used > are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black box" > is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and > limitations on everybody's life. > > Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I drive > on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other > limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to > imagine at this time. > > For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George > Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that both > of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already happening > and will happen in the near future. > > Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and limitations > on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 or > 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used in > the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be before > smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not allow > your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? > > Tom > > > >bllsht wrote: > > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. > > >> > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a cigaret.
Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some citizens prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them from smoking in their vehicles? Earle "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... > The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now used > are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black box" > is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and > limitations on everybody's life. > > Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I drive > on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other > limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to > imagine at this time. > > For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George > Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that both > of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already happening > and will happen in the near future. > > Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and limitations > on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 or > 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used in > the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be before > smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not allow > your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? > > Tom > > > >bllsht wrote: > > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. > > >> > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Infrared detectors preset for 700 degrees.
"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:459001b7$0$3509$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a >cigaret. > Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some > citizens > prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them from > smoking in their vehicles? > > Earle > > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message > news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... >> The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now > used >> are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black > box" >> is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and >> limitations on everybody's life. >> >> Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I >> drive >> on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other >> limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to >> imagine at this time. >> >> For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George >> Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that > both >> of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already > happening >> and will happen in the near future. >> >> Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and >> limitations >> on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 > or >> 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used >> in >> the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be > before >> smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not >> allow >> your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? >> >> Tom >> >> > >bllsht wrote: >> > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >> > >> >> >> > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Infrared detectors preset for 700 degrees.
"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:459001b7$0$3509$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a >cigaret. > Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some > citizens > prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them from > smoking in their vehicles? > > Earle > > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message > news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... >> The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now > used >> are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black > box" >> is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and >> limitations on everybody's life. >> >> Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I >> drive >> on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other >> limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to >> imagine at this time. >> >> For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George >> Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that > both >> of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already > happening >> and will happen in the near future. >> >> Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and >> limitations >> on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 > or >> 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used >> in >> the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be > before >> smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not >> allow >> your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? >> >> Tom >> >> > >bllsht wrote: >> > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >> > >> >> >> > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Infrared detectors preset for 700 degrees.
"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:459001b7$0$3509$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a >cigaret. > Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some > citizens > prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them from > smoking in their vehicles? > > Earle > > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message > news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... >> The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now > used >> are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black > box" >> is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and >> limitations on everybody's life. >> >> Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I >> drive >> on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other >> limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to >> imagine at this time. >> >> For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George >> Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that > both >> of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already > happening >> and will happen in the near future. >> >> Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and >> limitations >> on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 > or >> 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used >> in >> the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be > before >> smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not >> allow >> your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? >> >> Tom >> >> > >bllsht wrote: >> > >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >> > >> >> >> > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
billy ray wrote:
> Infrared detectors preset for 700 degrees. Just move the gas tank back inside the cabin. :) > "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > news:459001b7$0$3509$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a >> cigaret. >> Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some >> citizens >> prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them >> from smoking in their vehicles? |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
billy ray wrote:
> Infrared detectors preset for 700 degrees. Just move the gas tank back inside the cabin. :) > "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > news:459001b7$0$3509$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a >> cigaret. >> Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some >> citizens >> prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them >> from smoking in their vehicles? |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
billy ray wrote:
> Infrared detectors preset for 700 degrees. Just move the gas tank back inside the cabin. :) > "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > news:459001b7$0$3509$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a >> cigaret. >> Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some >> citizens >> prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them >> from smoking in their vehicles? |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Earl:
I'm not advocating tobacco smoke detectors, or any other kind of smoke detectors. I'm just saying that the information "black boxes" of today contain, and ways they are now being used are just the beginning of ever-increasing controls, regulations, limitations of personal freedoms and possible taxations on all of our lives. Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:459001b7$0$3509$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a cigaret. > Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some citizens > prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them from > smoking in their vehicles? > > Earle > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Earl:
I'm not advocating tobacco smoke detectors, or any other kind of smoke detectors. I'm just saying that the information "black boxes" of today contain, and ways they are now being used are just the beginning of ever-increasing controls, regulations, limitations of personal freedoms and possible taxations on all of our lives. Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:459001b7$0$3509$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a cigaret. > Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some citizens > prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them from > smoking in their vehicles? > > Earle > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Earl:
I'm not advocating tobacco smoke detectors, or any other kind of smoke detectors. I'm just saying that the information "black boxes" of today contain, and ways they are now being used are just the beginning of ever-increasing controls, regulations, limitations of personal freedoms and possible taxations on all of our lives. Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:459001b7$0$3509$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > I knew a guy who got in a head-on collision while trying to light a cigaret. > Your tobacco smoke detector wouldn't have detected that. Also some citizens > prefer to smoke non-tobacco substances. How will you prevent them from > smoking in their vehicles? > > Earle > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles you
drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to someone who doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be charged/convicted based on your actions in a collision, rather than relying on your perhaps faulty/dishonest recollection of split second timing months later? Clint "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... > The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now > used > are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black > box" > is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and > limitations on everybody's life. > > Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I drive > on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other > limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to > imagine at this time. > > For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George > Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that > both > of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already > happening > and will happen in the near future. > > Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and limitations > on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 > or > 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used in > the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be > before > smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not allow > your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? > > Tom > >> >bllsht wrote: >> >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >> >> > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles you
drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to someone who doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be charged/convicted based on your actions in a collision, rather than relying on your perhaps faulty/dishonest recollection of split second timing months later? Clint "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... > The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now > used > are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black > box" > is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and > limitations on everybody's life. > > Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I drive > on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other > limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to > imagine at this time. > > For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George > Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that > both > of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already > happening > and will happen in the near future. > > Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and limitations > on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 > or > 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used in > the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be > before > smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not allow > your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? > > Tom > >> >bllsht wrote: >> >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >> >> > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles you
drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to someone who doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be charged/convicted based on your actions in a collision, rather than relying on your perhaps faulty/dishonest recollection of split second timing months later? Clint "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... > The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now > used > are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black > box" > is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and > limitations on everybody's life. > > Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I drive > on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other > limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to > imagine at this time. > > For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George > Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize that > both > of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already > happening > and will happen in the near future. > > Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and limitations > on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, 20 > or > 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be used in > the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be > before > smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not allow > your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? > > Tom > >> >bllsht wrote: >> >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >> >> > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Clint:
I already DO pay taxes for the miles that I drive in the form of gasoline taxes, which account for probably about 1/3 of the price of a gallon of gas that I pay now. I hope you are not advocating another form of taxation on top of the LITERALLY hundreds of different kinds of taxation that you and I already pay. Tom "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message news:udBkh.535479$R63.113596@pd7urf1no... > Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles you > drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to someone who > doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be charged/convicted based > on your actions in a collision, rather than relying on your perhaps > faulty/dishonest recollection of split second timing months later? > > Clint > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Clint:
I already DO pay taxes for the miles that I drive in the form of gasoline taxes, which account for probably about 1/3 of the price of a gallon of gas that I pay now. I hope you are not advocating another form of taxation on top of the LITERALLY hundreds of different kinds of taxation that you and I already pay. Tom "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message news:udBkh.535479$R63.113596@pd7urf1no... > Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles you > drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to someone who > doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be charged/convicted based > on your actions in a collision, rather than relying on your perhaps > faulty/dishonest recollection of split second timing months later? > > Clint > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Clint:
I already DO pay taxes for the miles that I drive in the form of gasoline taxes, which account for probably about 1/3 of the price of a gallon of gas that I pay now. I hope you are not advocating another form of taxation on top of the LITERALLY hundreds of different kinds of taxation that you and I already pay. Tom "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message news:udBkh.535479$R63.113596@pd7urf1no... > Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles you > drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to someone who > doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be charged/convicted based > on your actions in a collision, rather than relying on your perhaps > faulty/dishonest recollection of split second timing months later? > > Clint > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
You talk about taxation like it is a bad thing. At least we have "taxation
with representation" now. Somehow, it still tastes and smells the same, huh? Earle "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:4592cfda_4@newsfeed.slurp.net... > Clint: > > I already DO pay taxes for the miles that I drive in the form of gasoline > taxes, which account for probably about 1/3 of the price of a gallon of gas > that I pay now. > > I hope you are not advocating another form of taxation on top of the > LITERALLY hundreds of different kinds of taxation that you and I already > pay. > > Tom > > "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:udBkh.535479$R63.113596@pd7urf1no... > > Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles you > > drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to someone > who > > doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be charged/convicted based > > on your actions in a collision, rather than relying on your perhaps > > faulty/dishonest recollection of split second timing months later? > > > > Clint > > > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
You talk about taxation like it is a bad thing. At least we have "taxation
with representation" now. Somehow, it still tastes and smells the same, huh? Earle "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:4592cfda_4@newsfeed.slurp.net... > Clint: > > I already DO pay taxes for the miles that I drive in the form of gasoline > taxes, which account for probably about 1/3 of the price of a gallon of gas > that I pay now. > > I hope you are not advocating another form of taxation on top of the > LITERALLY hundreds of different kinds of taxation that you and I already > pay. > > Tom > > "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:udBkh.535479$R63.113596@pd7urf1no... > > Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles you > > drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to someone > who > > doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be charged/convicted based > > on your actions in a collision, rather than relying on your perhaps > > faulty/dishonest recollection of split second timing months later? > > > > Clint > > > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
You talk about taxation like it is a bad thing. At least we have "taxation
with representation" now. Somehow, it still tastes and smells the same, huh? Earle "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:4592cfda_4@newsfeed.slurp.net... > Clint: > > I already DO pay taxes for the miles that I drive in the form of gasoline > taxes, which account for probably about 1/3 of the price of a gallon of gas > that I pay now. > > I hope you are not advocating another form of taxation on top of the > LITERALLY hundreds of different kinds of taxation that you and I already > pay. > > Tom > > "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:udBkh.535479$R63.113596@pd7urf1no... > > Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles you > > drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to someone > who > > doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be charged/convicted based > > on your actions in a collision, rather than relying on your perhaps > > faulty/dishonest recollection of split second timing months later? > > > > Clint > > > > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Presumably the federal tax on gasoline meets the purpose, although in
the case of Jeeps, there is an aerodynamic "brick tax" extra slight penalty. Clint proclaimed: > Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles > you drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to > someone who doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be > charged/convicted based on your actions in a collision, rather than > relying on your perhaps faulty/dishonest recollection of split second > timing months later? > > Clint > > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message > news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... > >> The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now >> used >> are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black >> box" >> is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and >> limitations on everybody's life. >> >> Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I >> drive >> on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other >> limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to >> imagine at this time. >> >> For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George >> Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize >> that both >> of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already >> happening >> and will happen in the near future. >> >> Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and >> limitations >> on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, >> 20 or >> 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be >> used in >> the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be >> before >> smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not >> allow >> your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? >> >> Tom >> >>> >bllsht wrote: >>> >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >>> >> >> >> >> > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Presumably the federal tax on gasoline meets the purpose, although in
the case of Jeeps, there is an aerodynamic "brick tax" extra slight penalty. Clint proclaimed: > Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles > you drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to > someone who doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be > charged/convicted based on your actions in a collision, rather than > relying on your perhaps faulty/dishonest recollection of split second > timing months later? > > Clint > > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message > news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... > >> The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now >> used >> are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black >> box" >> is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and >> limitations on everybody's life. >> >> Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I >> drive >> on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other >> limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to >> imagine at this time. >> >> For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George >> Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize >> that both >> of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already >> happening >> and will happen in the near future. >> >> Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and >> limitations >> on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, >> 20 or >> 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be >> used in >> the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be >> before >> smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not >> allow >> your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? >> >> Tom >> >>> >bllsht wrote: >>> >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >>> >> >> >> >> > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Presumably the federal tax on gasoline meets the purpose, although in
the case of Jeeps, there is an aerodynamic "brick tax" extra slight penalty. Clint proclaimed: > Foolish question, but why shouldn't you pay extra taxes for the miles > you drive (to pay your share of the road repairs), when compared to > someone who doesn't drive as many miles? Why shouldn't you be > charged/convicted based on your actions in a collision, rather than > relying on your perhaps faulty/dishonest recollection of split second > timing months later? > > Clint > > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message > news:458fb832_1@newsfeed.slurp.net... > >> The limited information and the limited ways the "black boxes" are now >> used >> are just the beginning. I can easily foresee a future where the "black >> box" >> is used for all kinds of more government regulations, controls, and >> limitations on everybody's life. >> >> Extra taxation for miles driven, roads that I drive on, lanes that I >> drive >> on, where I have been, what time of day or night, and many other >> limitations, taxations and controls on my life that I am not even able to >> imagine at this time. >> >> For those who think that this is paranoid thinking, please read George >> Orwell's book, 1984, or Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged. I realize >> that both >> of these books are fiction, but much of this "fiction" is already >> happening >> and will happen in the near future. >> >> Just look at all the new controls, regulations, taxations, and >> limitations >> on personal freedoms that governments have instituted in the last 10, >> 20 or >> 30 years to get an idea of some of the ways "black boxes" might be >> used in >> the future. For all you smokers (I don't smoke,) how long will it be >> before >> smoking in your own vehicle is outlawed and the "black box" will not >> allow >> your vehicle to start if tobacco smoke is detected? >> >> Tom >> >>> >bllsht wrote: >>> >> Just make sure you wear your foil hat at night and you'll be fine. >>> >> >> >> >> > |
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
What really surprised me about the message string is as follows and
shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of those who responded: The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last X-time-period before a given accident. The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes? The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking implies you are doing something wrong. In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems just nuts. It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc. So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be something!! doylexus@yahoo.com wrote: > I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and > whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the > auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any > car with an airbag does have them. |
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