Oh we got rust a plenty - I'm thinking I should buy stock in PB Blaster ;-)

I figure when I get the frame straightened that I will ask my buddy (he does
own an autobody repair shop!) what his thoughts are.... Although I know for
a fact that the last jeep he saw in his shop was mine when he let me use his
heated environment and tools for installing my suspension system. But one
would think that a good auto body technician can properly diagnose body
mounts regardless of the vehicle type.

thanks Earle!

paul

"Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
news:fo0t9i$uo9$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> This depends on where you live. Rust belt or not? Try some penetrating
> oil on the threads a couple days before you do the job. Remember that the
> body mounts do flex a bit in use. I can't say if yours are worn to the
> point of needing replacement without looking at them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:47a26b6c$0$4931$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Washed the salt off it ( I was looking like a powdered doughnut) took it
>> to a friends autobody place (inside and heated)
>>
>> Found that the part of the frame that arches over the rear axle is
>> buckled at the 'top' or the arc (actually on the bottom of it but at the
>> highest point)..... this is good and would explain why there is no weird
>> vibration.... better still I was quoted 2 cases of beer and a Saturday
>> sometime during the next month to have it fixed!! He has a frame puller!
>> He said he could stretch it out to limo size if needed. :-/
>>
>> Also noticed that the rubber frame isolators show signs of stress/
>> movement - so it appears that things did shift a bit. Might be a good
>> time to replace all of these and square things back up - anyone replace
>> the body mount cushions? Tough job? Special tools? Or just go at it one
>> connection point at a time?
>>
>> thanks
>> paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
>> news:fnr9k9$t9u$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> There is a chance that the body would shift under those conditions. It
>>> does weigh quite a bit. Another thing you could do is take it to an
>>> alignment shop to see if the steering or tracking is now out of whack.
>>> Or have somebody follow you in another car, to see if it looks like you
>>> are going sideways. You can't always tell these things from inside the
>>> vehicle.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47a0f5a3$0$30215$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> The only contact/ impact point was the bumper - think this would cause
>>>> the body to shift?
>>>> I will take a look and see if there is noticeable movement,,,, not
>>>> today we got single digit temperatures and below zero wind chill.
>>>> The air temperature here (Milwaukee) dropped about 50 degrees in under
>>>> 12 hours ..... when is spring coming?
>>>>
>>>> Will - you are correct- definitely an educational experience- I keep
>>>> thinking of things that I could have / should have done differently,,
>>>> but the damage is done, unfortunately I am now aware of a numbness in
>>>> my left arm and an ache on the right side of my jaw,,,, I didn't bounce
>>>> around, but the impact was substantial - now the wife is trying to tell
>>>> me that the jeep is too dangerous of a vehicle - I told her I will
>>>> remind her of that when the top is down and the doors are off and she's
>>>> wanting me to drive her XJ to work so she can drive the YJ
>>>> :-/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fnqmuh$5vs$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> OK I get it now. If the distance from your spare tire to your
>>>>> tailgate has changed, then chances are real good that your body is no
>>>>> longer sitting properly on the frame. Check your body mounts for
>>>>> signs that they are tweaked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:47a0c59c$0$22844$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>> It is an aftermarket bumper with the tire carrier attached to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't take my hands off the wheel to shift the transfer case into 4
>>>>>> high because I was desperately swinging the wheel back and forth
>>>>>> trying to regain control :-( I also immediately removed my foot from
>>>>>> the accelerator and didn't touch the brakes - it all happened really
>>>>>> fast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:fnq8hm$ssf$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>>> Part time four wheel drive sucks on ice, doesn't it? If your spare
>>>>>>> tire is mounted in the stock location, it is mounted to the body,
>>>>>>> while the bumper is mounted to the frame. Another real likely
>>>>>>> possibility is that your body is knocked loose on the frame, with
>>>>>>> possible bent body mount bolts and/or elongated or ripped bolt
>>>>>>> holes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:47a09f2a$0$1126$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>>>> Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some
>>>>>>>> ice on an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her
>>>>>>>> back under control until I came off the over pass and hit regular
>>>>>>>> pavement - boy did it get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I
>>>>>>>> was going to end up on my side --- luckily she spun around and
>>>>>>>> nailed the passenger side rear corner at about 40 mph.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it
>>>>>>>> in really good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of
>>>>>>>> rectangular stock with .12" thickness. The tire carrier is no
>>>>>>>> longer flush with the tailgate, (driver's side contact point is
>>>>>>>> 1/2" away).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no
>>>>>>>> 'pulling' while driving or braking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the best way to check for a bent frame?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tia
>>>>>>>> paul
>>>>>>>> 93 YJ
>>>>>>>> 2.5" OME
>>>>>>>> 33 x 9.5 BFG's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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