Re: Bad Ignition module or water in fuel?
 

Wranglerjeep1 did pass the time by typing:
> Just not firing up! Mine will be running down the road just fine then
> bang....quits just like you turned the key off... My problem has been
> building. At first it was no big deal...would happen once a day but has
> steadly got worse (like every mile). I used to be able to crank it up right
> after and keep going but now its very hard to start afterwards. Also
> backfires big time. I rebuilt the carb and found nothing but a lil bit of
> dirt. I'm sure the problem is in the ignition ( probably wires to the
> distributor, coil, or other electronics) which have all been updated?.

Few ideas:
Loose battery connection
Corroded groundstrap to engine
Checked the rotor and cap for arc paths or cracks?
Spray some carb cleaner around the base of the carb and listen
to the engine. If it lugs, replace the gasket and check the base
of the carb for warp.
Throw a timing light on it your timing chain may have slipped.

If it was the 93 I6 I'd say Crankshaft Position Sensor, but I dunno if you have one.

--
DougW

Re: Bad Ignition module or water in fuel?
 

Wranglerjeep1 did pass the time by typing:
> Just not firing up! Mine will be running down the road just fine then
> bang....quits just like you turned the key off... My problem has been
> building. At first it was no big deal...would happen once a day but has
> steadly got worse (like every mile). I used to be able to crank it up right
> after and keep going but now its very hard to start afterwards. Also
> backfires big time. I rebuilt the carb and found nothing but a lil bit of
> dirt. I'm sure the problem is in the ignition ( probably wires to the
> distributor, coil, or other electronics) which have all been updated?.

Few ideas:
Loose battery connection
Corroded groundstrap to engine
Checked the rotor and cap for arc paths or cracks?
Spray some carb cleaner around the base of the carb and listen
to the engine. If it lugs, replace the gasket and check the base
of the carb for warp.
Throw a timing light on it your timing chain may have slipped.

If it was the 93 I6 I'd say Crankshaft Position Sensor, but I dunno if you have one.

--
DougW

Re: Bad Ignition module or water in fuel?
 

Wranglerjeep1 did pass the time by typing:
> Just not firing up! Mine will be running down the road just fine then
> bang....quits just like you turned the key off... My problem has been
> building. At first it was no big deal...would happen once a day but has
> steadly got worse (like every mile). I used to be able to crank it up right
> after and keep going but now its very hard to start afterwards. Also
> backfires big time. I rebuilt the carb and found nothing but a lil bit of
> dirt. I'm sure the problem is in the ignition ( probably wires to the
> distributor, coil, or other electronics) which have all been updated?.

Few ideas:
Loose battery connection
Corroded groundstrap to engine
Checked the rotor and cap for arc paths or cracks?
Spray some carb cleaner around the base of the carb and listen
to the engine. If it lugs, replace the gasket and check the base
of the carb for warp.
Throw a timing light on it your timing chain may have slipped.

If it was the 93 I6 I'd say Crankshaft Position Sensor, but I dunno if you have one.

--
DougW

Re: Bad Ignition module or water in fuel?
 

Yup...that's what i'm thinking. Last time I drove it...it quit and wouldn't
start. I let it sit for 10 min and still nothing. So I went under the hood and
took the air cleaner assembly off and checked the choke. Then I jiggled the
wires around the distributor and battery tray....turned the key and fired right
up. Most of what you mentioned are right there so I'm pretty close. Heck i've
been meaning to re wire that anyway to prevent something like this...but time
caught up to me.

Brian

Re: Bad Ignition module or water in fuel?
 

Yup...that's what i'm thinking. Last time I drove it...it quit and wouldn't
start. I let it sit for 10 min and still nothing. So I went under the hood and
took the air cleaner assembly off and checked the choke. Then I jiggled the
wires around the distributor and battery tray....turned the key and fired right
up. Most of what you mentioned are right there so I'm pretty close. Heck i've
been meaning to re wire that anyway to prevent something like this...but time
caught up to me.

Brian

Re: Bad Ignition module or water in fuel?
 

Yup...that's what i'm thinking. Last time I drove it...it quit and wouldn't
start. I let it sit for 10 min and still nothing. So I went under the hood and
took the air cleaner assembly off and checked the choke. Then I jiggled the
wires around the distributor and battery tray....turned the key and fired right
up. Most of what you mentioned are right there so I'm pretty close. Heck i've
been meaning to re wire that anyway to prevent something like this...but time
caught up to me.

Brian

Re: Bad Ignition module or water in fuel?
 

When you say 'won't turn over' do you mean the starter isn't turning or
it is turning over but not firing up?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Evan wrote:
>
> So I have had a string of events, and modifications, and something
> "ain't right"
>
> Some time ago, I had the carb rebuilt, and put it all back together
> ran fine for a few days, when my rear end went out (I knew it was on
> it's way out but bad timing). So three months latter I had it all
> back together w/ a SOA. It was idling high, and dieseling so I took
> it in and the carb guy leaned it out and that is all was fine. After
> a week or so, it started dying while crusing, not on acceleration or
> deceleration, but planing out at speed, and doses not like to turn
> back over, when it doses a back fire is not uncommon. I assume it was
> too lean so I took it back and he said the carb seems to be fine (I
> trust him), it is most likely ignition module or water in the fuel, we
> pulled the filter and it did not look to have water, but that doses
> not mean any slipped by. It is also new thing, that I have a heck of
> a time getting it to turn over in the morning, or after it sets for a
> few hrs, that is new, all about the same time, but could point me to
> both problems?
>
> I will change the oil this weekend, (maybe tomorrow) but need help
> deciding what to do, it could honestly be either, my next project it
> to fix leaking fuel tank that could be leaking ether way, I guess,. I
> have parked it until I can decide my plain of attack. I guess I could
> change the oil and fill the tank up and see if problem goes away, then
> I can assume water in the tank?
>
> One more kicker, when it was in the shop getting gears, someone broke
> in and took all the keys, so they put a new key in the column,
> related?
>
> I just need one of you to come fix it, and show me how, Or at least
> point me in the right direction. New-be slowly discovering I am over
> my head,
>
> Evan Posting from work:
> 83' CJ-8

Re: Bad Ignition module or water in fuel?
 

When you say 'won't turn over' do you mean the starter isn't turning or
it is turning over but not firing up?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Evan wrote:
>
> So I have had a string of events, and modifications, and something
> "ain't right"
>
> Some time ago, I had the carb rebuilt, and put it all back together
> ran fine for a few days, when my rear end went out (I knew it was on
> it's way out but bad timing). So three months latter I had it all
> back together w/ a SOA. It was idling high, and dieseling so I took
> it in and the carb guy leaned it out and that is all was fine. After
> a week or so, it started dying while crusing, not on acceleration or
> deceleration, but planing out at speed, and doses not like to turn
> back over, when it doses a back fire is not uncommon. I assume it was
> too lean so I took it back and he said the carb seems to be fine (I
> trust him), it is most likely ignition module or water in the fuel, we
> pulled the filter and it did not look to have water, but that doses
> not mean any slipped by. It is also new thing, that I have a heck of
> a time getting it to turn over in the morning, or after it sets for a
> few hrs, that is new, all about the same time, but could point me to
> both problems?
>
> I will change the oil this weekend, (maybe tomorrow) but need help
> deciding what to do, it could honestly be either, my next project it
> to fix leaking fuel tank that could be leaking ether way, I guess,. I
> have parked it until I can decide my plain of attack. I guess I could
> change the oil and fill the tank up and see if problem goes away, then
> I can assume water in the tank?
>
> One more kicker, when it was in the shop getting gears, someone broke
> in and took all the keys, so they put a new key in the column,
> related?
>
> I just need one of you to come fix it, and show me how, Or at least
> point me in the right direction. New-be slowly discovering I am over
> my head,
>
> Evan Posting from work:
> 83' CJ-8

Re: Bad Ignition module or water in fuel?
 

When you say 'won't turn over' do you mean the starter isn't turning or
it is turning over but not firing up?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Evan wrote:
>
> So I have had a string of events, and modifications, and something
> "ain't right"
>
> Some time ago, I had the carb rebuilt, and put it all back together
> ran fine for a few days, when my rear end went out (I knew it was on
> it's way out but bad timing). So three months latter I had it all
> back together w/ a SOA. It was idling high, and dieseling so I took
> it in and the carb guy leaned it out and that is all was fine. After
> a week or so, it started dying while crusing, not on acceleration or
> deceleration, but planing out at speed, and doses not like to turn
> back over, when it doses a back fire is not uncommon. I assume it was
> too lean so I took it back and he said the carb seems to be fine (I
> trust him), it is most likely ignition module or water in the fuel, we
> pulled the filter and it did not look to have water, but that doses
> not mean any slipped by. It is also new thing, that I have a heck of
> a time getting it to turn over in the morning, or after it sets for a
> few hrs, that is new, all about the same time, but could point me to
> both problems?
>
> I will change the oil this weekend, (maybe tomorrow) but need help
> deciding what to do, it could honestly be either, my next project it
> to fix leaking fuel tank that could be leaking ether way, I guess,. I
> have parked it until I can decide my plain of attack. I guess I could
> change the oil and fill the tank up and see if problem goes away, then
> I can assume water in the tank?
>
> One more kicker, when it was in the shop getting gears, someone broke
> in and took all the keys, so they put a new key in the column,
> related?
>
> I just need one of you to come fix it, and show me how, Or at least
> point me in the right direction. New-be slowly discovering I am over
> my head,
>
> Evan Posting from work:
> 83' CJ-8

Re: Bad Ignition module or water in fuel?
 

I replied from work but it did not take,

Starter turns but no fire, and I just went for a drive, and it died at 40mph, I
poped the clutch, and nothing, I dropped a gear and popped it again, and I drug
the tiers, no fire, rolled to a stop and it fired up after a few tries,

So far it fires back up, but not like it did or should, always takes a 3-7
tries, I don't want to ware out my starter

I could it be related to the new turn key in the column? Other then that it
runs fine,



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