Re: Bad afternoon
 

damn....i'm sorry you had to go through that-you're a hero in my book...

"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
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> I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. Being the
> first one on the scene besides his son who was riding with him and
> another biker who crashed as well, I attempted to be helpful. His
> poor son was trying to get his mouth open and some air in through
> all the blood and mess of his face. He had a full face helmet on and
> it was a deseperate situation. I felt a heart beat but he wasnt
> breathing. His son removed the helmet and everyone that was there
> was just staring at his bloody face. His son was in a panic. I could
> feel a heart beat. someone had a one way breather mask so I gave him
> a breath. Blood and vomit went everywhere. His face through his
> mouth and nose were just pouring blood and other matter. After a
> long time of CPR, we just got no where (his heart stopped within a
> few minutes). It is so frustrating to feel someone die right in
> front of you and not be able to do anything. Mercy Air came, but it
> wasnt of any use. All of you guys, wear seatbelts, wear helmets if
> you must ride and remember. It can happen to anyone. I have no
> freaking idea how he got such a devastating head injury through this
> full face helmet. Im an adrenaline junky myself, but we are all just
> here a little while so be careful. Apparently the guy just lost it
> in a corner at 35mph. I'm getting a little sick of people around me
> dying. Thanks for letting me vent. Also apparently there was another
> two people who died on cole grade road today on motorcycles and the
> paramedics said this was their third time doing cpr this week.
> KH
>
>

Re: Bad afternoon
 

I have taken cpr about a million times. When I was a kid, I was a pool
lifeguard for years. Then when I was in the military they teaght me cpr and
first aid. Now that I work in hospitals and Drs offices as an ultrasound
tech I need CPR every year as well. I specialize in cardiac ultrasound so
Ive been around lots of codes and emergency rooms. Its actually the second
time Ive done compressions and breathing. Ive never done rescue breathing
without a bag before like this. This time was by far the bloodiest. The one
way mask I had really got messy fast. Although I have taken first aid and
basic cardiac life support a bunch of times. Its all really basic stuff. I
really dont have any real experience with that kind of trauma. I was in
waaay over my head. It was such a serious situation, someone had to do
something.

It was at the point where I had a heart beat, but no way to get any air in
there. We both figured that it was try and get an airway going or his heart
was going to stop too. We were afraid to remove the helmet, but even more
afraid not to get him some air. I ran to my car to get a CPR mask and a
knife to cut the chin strap. When I got back from the car the helmet was
off. The son said he removed it. I was relieved. I couldnt find my mask and
gave him a breath without one despite the blood. That got blood and vomit
all over me. I half expected that because every cpr class I ever took said
that cpr was a nasty thing and people often vomit. It was awful. Then I
think someone had a bag of gear and we dug out a mask. After a minute or so
it became apparent to me that this guy wasnt going to make it no matter what
I did. Everyone just stood there while I did everything. I think everyone
was terrified of the blood and mess. From that point it was just keep doing
cpr so that I knew I was doing everything possible until someone more
qualified could make the call. I think some rescue guys in a jeep showed up
with some gear. The only ambu bag (bag for giving breaths) they had was a
pediatric sized one. It was very frustrating. They had no working suction
either. They just worked with me instead of asking me to leave. I guess that
means I was doing all the right things. While his heart was still beating,
the bleeding was so bad you could see it spurting out his nose with each
beat. Im sure his lungs were full of blood. I had the smell of vomit and
blood on me even after a long shower. I realize I did as much as I could, he
really died on impact I guess. At least it went quick for him. The son who
watched it all is going to have a long hard time dealing with this I think.
His son just kept thanking me while the paramedics took over. The
professionals were all really busy so I just tried to occupy the sons time
and help him deal with what he was seeing. All I could say to the son was
that anyone in my shoes would have done it. Thinking back, I was the first
guy there who had any kind of training I guess. Everyone should take cpr at
least once. I felt really helpless.
KH



"Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.net> wrote in message
news:OEslc.4546$V97.4310@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
>
> Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> > I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> > mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. Being the
> > first one on the scene besides his son who was riding with him and
> > another biker who crashed as well, I attempted to be helpful. His
> > poor son was trying to get his mouth open and some air in through
> > all the blood and mess of his face. He had a full face helmet on and
> > it was a deseperate situation. I felt a heart beat but he wasnt
> > breathing. His son removed the helmet and everyone
>
> Even for people who are 'used' to this kind of thing, it can be tough.
Take
> solace in the fact that you did what you could.
>
> For those who may come upon something similar, please try to remember
this-
> NEVER try to remove someones helmet. If the patient has a neck injury,
just
> the effort it takes to remove a helmet can cause further injury, sometimes
> to the point of death.
>
> Kevin, in your case the patients breathing was impaired, and the son
removed
> the helmet. The correct way would have been for someone to hold the
> head(helmet)/shoulder area to prevent movment, then roll the patient onto
> their side, allowing fluids to be drained out of the mouth. It would take
at
> least two people to do it, and every situation is different, but it could
be
> the difference between life and death.
>
>

Re: Bad afternoon
 

I have taken cpr about a million times. When I was a kid, I was a pool
lifeguard for years. Then when I was in the military they teaght me cpr and
first aid. Now that I work in hospitals and Drs offices as an ultrasound
tech I need CPR every year as well. I specialize in cardiac ultrasound so
Ive been around lots of codes and emergency rooms. Its actually the second
time Ive done compressions and breathing. Ive never done rescue breathing
without a bag before like this. This time was by far the bloodiest. The one
way mask I had really got messy fast. Although I have taken first aid and
basic cardiac life support a bunch of times. Its all really basic stuff. I
really dont have any real experience with that kind of trauma. I was in
waaay over my head. It was such a serious situation, someone had to do
something.

It was at the point where I had a heart beat, but no way to get any air in
there. We both figured that it was try and get an airway going or his heart
was going to stop too. We were afraid to remove the helmet, but even more
afraid not to get him some air. I ran to my car to get a CPR mask and a
knife to cut the chin strap. When I got back from the car the helmet was
off. The son said he removed it. I was relieved. I couldnt find my mask and
gave him a breath without one despite the blood. That got blood and vomit
all over me. I half expected that because every cpr class I ever took said
that cpr was a nasty thing and people often vomit. It was awful. Then I
think someone had a bag of gear and we dug out a mask. After a minute or so
it became apparent to me that this guy wasnt going to make it no matter what
I did. Everyone just stood there while I did everything. I think everyone
was terrified of the blood and mess. From that point it was just keep doing
cpr so that I knew I was doing everything possible until someone more
qualified could make the call. I think some rescue guys in a jeep showed up
with some gear. The only ambu bag (bag for giving breaths) they had was a
pediatric sized one. It was very frustrating. They had no working suction
either. They just worked with me instead of asking me to leave. I guess that
means I was doing all the right things. While his heart was still beating,
the bleeding was so bad you could see it spurting out his nose with each
beat. Im sure his lungs were full of blood. I had the smell of vomit and
blood on me even after a long shower. I realize I did as much as I could, he
really died on impact I guess. At least it went quick for him. The son who
watched it all is going to have a long hard time dealing with this I think.
His son just kept thanking me while the paramedics took over. The
professionals were all really busy so I just tried to occupy the sons time
and help him deal with what he was seeing. All I could say to the son was
that anyone in my shoes would have done it. Thinking back, I was the first
guy there who had any kind of training I guess. Everyone should take cpr at
least once. I felt really helpless.
KH



"Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.net> wrote in message
news:OEslc.4546$V97.4310@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
>
> Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> > I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> > mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. Being the
> > first one on the scene besides his son who was riding with him and
> > another biker who crashed as well, I attempted to be helpful. His
> > poor son was trying to get his mouth open and some air in through
> > all the blood and mess of his face. He had a full face helmet on and
> > it was a deseperate situation. I felt a heart beat but he wasnt
> > breathing. His son removed the helmet and everyone
>
> Even for people who are 'used' to this kind of thing, it can be tough.
Take
> solace in the fact that you did what you could.
>
> For those who may come upon something similar, please try to remember
this-
> NEVER try to remove someones helmet. If the patient has a neck injury,
just
> the effort it takes to remove a helmet can cause further injury, sometimes
> to the point of death.
>
> Kevin, in your case the patients breathing was impaired, and the son
removed
> the helmet. The correct way would have been for someone to hold the
> head(helmet)/shoulder area to prevent movment, then roll the patient onto
> their side, allowing fluids to be drained out of the mouth. It would take
at
> least two people to do it, and every situation is different, but it could
be
> the difference between life and death.
>
>

Re: Bad afternoon
 

I have taken cpr about a million times. When I was a kid, I was a pool
lifeguard for years. Then when I was in the military they teaght me cpr and
first aid. Now that I work in hospitals and Drs offices as an ultrasound
tech I need CPR every year as well. I specialize in cardiac ultrasound so
Ive been around lots of codes and emergency rooms. Its actually the second
time Ive done compressions and breathing. Ive never done rescue breathing
without a bag before like this. This time was by far the bloodiest. The one
way mask I had really got messy fast. Although I have taken first aid and
basic cardiac life support a bunch of times. Its all really basic stuff. I
really dont have any real experience with that kind of trauma. I was in
waaay over my head. It was such a serious situation, someone had to do
something.

It was at the point where I had a heart beat, but no way to get any air in
there. We both figured that it was try and get an airway going or his heart
was going to stop too. We were afraid to remove the helmet, but even more
afraid not to get him some air. I ran to my car to get a CPR mask and a
knife to cut the chin strap. When I got back from the car the helmet was
off. The son said he removed it. I was relieved. I couldnt find my mask and
gave him a breath without one despite the blood. That got blood and vomit
all over me. I half expected that because every cpr class I ever took said
that cpr was a nasty thing and people often vomit. It was awful. Then I
think someone had a bag of gear and we dug out a mask. After a minute or so
it became apparent to me that this guy wasnt going to make it no matter what
I did. Everyone just stood there while I did everything. I think everyone
was terrified of the blood and mess. From that point it was just keep doing
cpr so that I knew I was doing everything possible until someone more
qualified could make the call. I think some rescue guys in a jeep showed up
with some gear. The only ambu bag (bag for giving breaths) they had was a
pediatric sized one. It was very frustrating. They had no working suction
either. They just worked with me instead of asking me to leave. I guess that
means I was doing all the right things. While his heart was still beating,
the bleeding was so bad you could see it spurting out his nose with each
beat. Im sure his lungs were full of blood. I had the smell of vomit and
blood on me even after a long shower. I realize I did as much as I could, he
really died on impact I guess. At least it went quick for him. The son who
watched it all is going to have a long hard time dealing with this I think.
His son just kept thanking me while the paramedics took over. The
professionals were all really busy so I just tried to occupy the sons time
and help him deal with what he was seeing. All I could say to the son was
that anyone in my shoes would have done it. Thinking back, I was the first
guy there who had any kind of training I guess. Everyone should take cpr at
least once. I felt really helpless.
KH



"Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.net> wrote in message
news:OEslc.4546$V97.4310@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
>
> Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> > I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> > mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. Being the
> > first one on the scene besides his son who was riding with him and
> > another biker who crashed as well, I attempted to be helpful. His
> > poor son was trying to get his mouth open and some air in through
> > all the blood and mess of his face. He had a full face helmet on and
> > it was a deseperate situation. I felt a heart beat but he wasnt
> > breathing. His son removed the helmet and everyone
>
> Even for people who are 'used' to this kind of thing, it can be tough.
Take
> solace in the fact that you did what you could.
>
> For those who may come upon something similar, please try to remember
this-
> NEVER try to remove someones helmet. If the patient has a neck injury,
just
> the effort it takes to remove a helmet can cause further injury, sometimes
> to the point of death.
>
> Kevin, in your case the patients breathing was impaired, and the son
removed
> the helmet. The correct way would have been for someone to hold the
> head(helmet)/shoulder area to prevent movment, then roll the patient onto
> their side, allowing fluids to be drained out of the mouth. It would take
at
> least two people to do it, and every situation is different, but it could
be
> the difference between life and death.
>
>

Re: Bad afternoon
 

I have taken cpr about a million times. When I was a kid, I was a pool
lifeguard for years. Then when I was in the military they teaght me cpr and
first aid. Now that I work in hospitals and Drs offices as an ultrasound
tech I need CPR every year as well. I specialize in cardiac ultrasound so
Ive been around lots of codes and emergency rooms. Its actually the second
time Ive done compressions and breathing. Ive never done rescue breathing
without a bag before like this. This time was by far the bloodiest. The one
way mask I had really got messy fast. Although I have taken first aid and
basic cardiac life support a bunch of times. Its all really basic stuff. I
really dont have any real experience with that kind of trauma. I was in
waaay over my head. It was such a serious situation, someone had to do
something.

It was at the point where I had a heart beat, but no way to get any air in
there. We both figured that it was try and get an airway going or his heart
was going to stop too. We were afraid to remove the helmet, but even more
afraid not to get him some air. I ran to my car to get a CPR mask and a
knife to cut the chin strap. When I got back from the car the helmet was
off. The son said he removed it. I was relieved. I couldnt find my mask and
gave him a breath without one despite the blood. That got blood and vomit
all over me. I half expected that because every cpr class I ever took said
that cpr was a nasty thing and people often vomit. It was awful. Then I
think someone had a bag of gear and we dug out a mask. After a minute or so
it became apparent to me that this guy wasnt going to make it no matter what
I did. Everyone just stood there while I did everything. I think everyone
was terrified of the blood and mess. From that point it was just keep doing
cpr so that I knew I was doing everything possible until someone more
qualified could make the call. I think some rescue guys in a jeep showed up
with some gear. The only ambu bag (bag for giving breaths) they had was a
pediatric sized one. It was very frustrating. They had no working suction
either. They just worked with me instead of asking me to leave. I guess that
means I was doing all the right things. While his heart was still beating,
the bleeding was so bad you could see it spurting out his nose with each
beat. Im sure his lungs were full of blood. I had the smell of vomit and
blood on me even after a long shower. I realize I did as much as I could, he
really died on impact I guess. At least it went quick for him. The son who
watched it all is going to have a long hard time dealing with this I think.
His son just kept thanking me while the paramedics took over. The
professionals were all really busy so I just tried to occupy the sons time
and help him deal with what he was seeing. All I could say to the son was
that anyone in my shoes would have done it. Thinking back, I was the first
guy there who had any kind of training I guess. Everyone should take cpr at
least once. I felt really helpless.
KH



"Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.net> wrote in message
news:OEslc.4546$V97.4310@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
>
> Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> > I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> > mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. Being the
> > first one on the scene besides his son who was riding with him and
> > another biker who crashed as well, I attempted to be helpful. His
> > poor son was trying to get his mouth open and some air in through
> > all the blood and mess of his face. He had a full face helmet on and
> > it was a deseperate situation. I felt a heart beat but he wasnt
> > breathing. His son removed the helmet and everyone
>
> Even for people who are 'used' to this kind of thing, it can be tough.
Take
> solace in the fact that you did what you could.
>
> For those who may come upon something similar, please try to remember
this-
> NEVER try to remove someones helmet. If the patient has a neck injury,
just
> the effort it takes to remove a helmet can cause further injury, sometimes
> to the point of death.
>
> Kevin, in your case the patients breathing was impaired, and the son
removed
> the helmet. The correct way would have been for someone to hold the
> head(helmet)/shoulder area to prevent movment, then roll the patient onto
> their side, allowing fluids to be drained out of the mouth. It would take
at
> least two people to do it, and every situation is different, but it could
be
> the difference between life and death.
>
>

Re: Bad afternoon
 

Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. <<<snip>>>
> KH
>
>

Kevin,
Having done something very similar myself, I know how you feel. Keep
in mind that if he had a full-face helmet on and was still bleeding from
the mouth/nose, he was likely busted up internally so bad that nothing
you or anyone else did anywhere could possibly have saved him.

You did his son a tremendous service that day. He and the rest of his
family will never have the dread of second guessing 'what if someone had
tried to save him'. You DID try and everyone saw it. Despite how bad you
feel now, I guarantee that his family is grateful for what you did. If
he only had 0.000001% chance of survival, you gave him every bit of it.
That's still the gift of life to his family. If you go to his funeral,
don't be too surprised if everyone in his family hugs you and thanks you
for what you did.

Also, talk with someone professionally about this. What YOU went
through can have sneaky damaging effects on you for some time to come.
You might not hink you're damaged from this experience but just
remember: "Crazy people don't think they're crazy - they just think
everyone's picking on them".

Take care of yourself now.

Cheers,
- Jeff G

Re: Bad afternoon
 

Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. <<<snip>>>
> KH
>
>

Kevin,
Having done something very similar myself, I know how you feel. Keep
in mind that if he had a full-face helmet on and was still bleeding from
the mouth/nose, he was likely busted up internally so bad that nothing
you or anyone else did anywhere could possibly have saved him.

You did his son a tremendous service that day. He and the rest of his
family will never have the dread of second guessing 'what if someone had
tried to save him'. You DID try and everyone saw it. Despite how bad you
feel now, I guarantee that his family is grateful for what you did. If
he only had 0.000001% chance of survival, you gave him every bit of it.
That's still the gift of life to his family. If you go to his funeral,
don't be too surprised if everyone in his family hugs you and thanks you
for what you did.

Also, talk with someone professionally about this. What YOU went
through can have sneaky damaging effects on you for some time to come.
You might not hink you're damaged from this experience but just
remember: "Crazy people don't think they're crazy - they just think
everyone's picking on them".

Take care of yourself now.

Cheers,
- Jeff G

Re: Bad afternoon
 

Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. <<<snip>>>
> KH
>
>

Kevin,
Having done something very similar myself, I know how you feel. Keep
in mind that if he had a full-face helmet on and was still bleeding from
the mouth/nose, he was likely busted up internally so bad that nothing
you or anyone else did anywhere could possibly have saved him.

You did his son a tremendous service that day. He and the rest of his
family will never have the dread of second guessing 'what if someone had
tried to save him'. You DID try and everyone saw it. Despite how bad you
feel now, I guarantee that his family is grateful for what you did. If
he only had 0.000001% chance of survival, you gave him every bit of it.
That's still the gift of life to his family. If you go to his funeral,
don't be too surprised if everyone in his family hugs you and thanks you
for what you did.

Also, talk with someone professionally about this. What YOU went
through can have sneaky damaging effects on you for some time to come.
You might not hink you're damaged from this experience but just
remember: "Crazy people don't think they're crazy - they just think
everyone's picking on them".

Take care of yourself now.

Cheers,
- Jeff G

Re: Bad afternoon
 

Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. <<<snip>>>
> KH
>
>

Kevin,
Having done something very similar myself, I know how you feel. Keep
in mind that if he had a full-face helmet on and was still bleeding from
the mouth/nose, he was likely busted up internally so bad that nothing
you or anyone else did anywhere could possibly have saved him.

You did his son a tremendous service that day. He and the rest of his
family will never have the dread of second guessing 'what if someone had
tried to save him'. You DID try and everyone saw it. Despite how bad you
feel now, I guarantee that his family is grateful for what you did. If
he only had 0.000001% chance of survival, you gave him every bit of it.
That's still the gift of life to his family. If you go to his funeral,
don't be too surprised if everyone in his family hugs you and thanks you
for what you did.

Also, talk with someone professionally about this. What YOU went
through can have sneaky damaging effects on you for some time to come.
You might not hink you're damaged from this experience but just
remember: "Crazy people don't think they're crazy - they just think
everyone's picking on them".

Take care of yourself now.

Cheers,
- Jeff G

Re: Bad afternoon
 

An atheist's prayer? What's that good for?

>Ya, ducking for cover, I'll always say, he's better off gone than being a
>veggie and being highlighted in network news about a fight between the
>state-hospital and personall wishes. I certianly send an athiest's prayer
>his way, I hope his life was fulfiling to all he knew.
>Nick


-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)