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Re: APC Seats for Wrangler
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God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat > replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero. > > What did you end up with for seats? > > Mike |
Re: APC Seats for Wrangler
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God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat > replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero. > > What did you end up with for seats? > > Mike |
Re: APC Seats for Wrangler
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God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat > replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero. > > What did you end up with for seats? > > Mike |
Re: APC Seats for Wrangler
I bought 2 used YJ seats, which of coarse are a bolt in, it was like going
from a VW to a cadilac. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:442D51CF.DF280C07@sympatico.ca... > Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat > replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero. > > What did you end up with for seats? > > Mike > > Greg wrote: >> >> Hey I didn't get the stereo speakers in my Fiero seats that came in my >> CJ, >> and they were the most uncomfortable seats ever for a jeep, you sat back >> too >> far, and too lo, one of the first things I replaced, that was about 400 >> replaced things ago. >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:442D435A.53B5DF7C@sympatico.ca... >> > You can just go to the wrecker and get Mustang seats. The fit exactly >> > like you describe. Totally useless unless you have long legs..... >> > Thanks for the write up and warning about those 'inexpensive' seats. >> > >> > I have heard Pontiac Fiero seats fit well. The also have stereo >> > speakers in the headrests... >> > >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > >> > edh3007@bellsouth.net wrote: >> >> >> >> 1992 Jeep YJ Wrangler Hardtop >> >> >> >> My original seats were okay for their age, but I wanted more comfort >> >> and support. Since I'd have the seats out anyway to redo the floor, I >> >> thought "Now's the time". >> >> >> >> American Products Company (don't bother googling, their web site isn't >> >> up "yet") has been clearing out an older line of seats through >> >> retailers and online shops like J.C. Whitney. These APC "Formula 1 >> >> Racing Seats" have also been on Ebay. At $89-$99 each, compared to >> >> orignal MSRP of $359 (or so) and retail of @ $180, these seats seemed >> >> like a bargain. I picked a pair up at Godfather Customs (Decatur, >> >> Georgia). Note that some of the online and Ebay bargains are >> >> accompanied by rather pricey "shipping & handling" charges. >> >> >> >> These seats claim to be "universal fit" and the salesdroid at >> >> Godfather's said it was a drop-in replacement for a Wrangler "or minor >> >> adjustment". In fact, of course, once you remove the sliding bracket >> >> that comes on the seat, you can measure to see that the front to back >> >> mounting holes are closer together than on the YJ seats and the side >> >> to >> >> side ones are further apart. Rather than pay APC $130 (or more) apiece >> >> for adapter brackets, I took 1/8 inch bar steel (hard on drill bits!) >> >> and made my own adapters. I used the seat sliders off my old seats. >> >> >> >> As the side to side distance implies, these seats are slightly wider >> >> than stock. However, the front to back size is roughly the same >> >> despite >> >> the closer mounting points. Once adapted to the sliders and then >> >> attached on the original YJ floor brackets, the new seats bolted right >> >> in. >> >> >> >> Although the pictures in catalogs and on the net don't show this very >> >> well, there is a distinct and deep drop to the place where your fanny >> >> ends up. And it is relatively small in area - not bad for my 165 lbs, >> >> but probably too tiny for the bigger folks to use comfortably. The >> >> front of the seat slopes upward dramatically, giving you the feeling >> >> that you are leaning back even if you have the reclining mechanism >> >> straight up. This, combined with the fact that the seats are taller >> >> than stock, makes the floor a reach for my 30 inch inseam. My wife, at >> >> 5'2", cannot touch the floor when sitting upright! I'm comfortable >> >> driving with this arrangement (although I do have to slide the seat >> >> back to get in and then forward again to drive with my stock steering; >> >> if I had a tilt wheel I could probably leave the seat in one place and >> >> just tilt up/down to get in/out). In the short term I'll put a >> >> platform >> >> on the floor for my wife's feet (dangling feet are not only not >> >> comfortable, it is bad for your legs/blood circulation, etc.). In the >> >> long term I will eventually retool the adapter brackets to lower the >> >> front of the seat (only a small distance to play with there without >> >> modifying the stock floor bracket) and raise the rear of the seat (a >> >> spacer and longer bolt should do the trick there). Even at that, >> >> unless >> >> I'm willing to cut down the stock YJ floor brackets I cannot lower the >> >> seat enough to make my wife comfortable without something on the floor >> >> to rest her feet on. Frankly I don't know what I could do to fix >> >> things >> >> so she could drive the YJ with these seats in place. >> >> >> >> I wanted fabric seats (vinyl is really not a good option for >> >> hot'lanta) >> >> and I wanted reclining seats. I wanted new (because why trade my set >> >> of >> >> used seats for somebody else's?). And I wasn't willing to spend >$500 >> >> to get fabric recliners from Bestop or Outland. These APC "racing" >> >> seats are not perfect, especially from my wife's perspective, but they >> >> are comfortable, supportive, and affordable. I think I"m going to be >> >> happy driving with these seats on road and off. Since I am doing a >> >> fair >> >> amount of work on the jeep right now I have to ------ my funds around >> >> carefully. If seats were the _only_ thing I was doing during this >> >> project phase, I'd probably have bought Bestop Trailmax Pro seats (if >> >> I >> >> could convince the treasurer to let me have that kind of money for >> >> seats :-). But at these clearance prices I'm a happy camper and >> >> (regardless of price) MUCH more comfortable than the old stock seats. >> >> >> >> I'd be happy to try and answer any questions, if I can. Also, although >> >> I don't know WHY you'd want them, I will hang onto the stock seats for >> >> a couple of weeks and give them to someone (local pickup, these aren't >> >> worth paying shipping for). >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ed Humphries >> >> Atlanta, Georgia |
Re: APC Seats for Wrangler
I bought 2 used YJ seats, which of coarse are a bolt in, it was like going
from a VW to a cadilac. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:442D51CF.DF280C07@sympatico.ca... > Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat > replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero. > > What did you end up with for seats? > > Mike > > Greg wrote: >> >> Hey I didn't get the stereo speakers in my Fiero seats that came in my >> CJ, >> and they were the most uncomfortable seats ever for a jeep, you sat back >> too >> far, and too lo, one of the first things I replaced, that was about 400 >> replaced things ago. >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:442D435A.53B5DF7C@sympatico.ca... >> > You can just go to the wrecker and get Mustang seats. The fit exactly >> > like you describe. Totally useless unless you have long legs..... >> > Thanks for the write up and warning about those 'inexpensive' seats. >> > >> > I have heard Pontiac Fiero seats fit well. The also have stereo >> > speakers in the headrests... >> > >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > >> > edh3007@bellsouth.net wrote: >> >> >> >> 1992 Jeep YJ Wrangler Hardtop >> >> >> >> My original seats were okay for their age, but I wanted more comfort >> >> and support. Since I'd have the seats out anyway to redo the floor, I >> >> thought "Now's the time". >> >> >> >> American Products Company (don't bother googling, their web site isn't >> >> up "yet") has been clearing out an older line of seats through >> >> retailers and online shops like J.C. Whitney. These APC "Formula 1 >> >> Racing Seats" have also been on Ebay. At $89-$99 each, compared to >> >> orignal MSRP of $359 (or so) and retail of @ $180, these seats seemed >> >> like a bargain. I picked a pair up at Godfather Customs (Decatur, >> >> Georgia). Note that some of the online and Ebay bargains are >> >> accompanied by rather pricey "shipping & handling" charges. >> >> >> >> These seats claim to be "universal fit" and the salesdroid at >> >> Godfather's said it was a drop-in replacement for a Wrangler "or minor >> >> adjustment". In fact, of course, once you remove the sliding bracket >> >> that comes on the seat, you can measure to see that the front to back >> >> mounting holes are closer together than on the YJ seats and the side >> >> to >> >> side ones are further apart. Rather than pay APC $130 (or more) apiece >> >> for adapter brackets, I took 1/8 inch bar steel (hard on drill bits!) >> >> and made my own adapters. I used the seat sliders off my old seats. >> >> >> >> As the side to side distance implies, these seats are slightly wider >> >> than stock. However, the front to back size is roughly the same >> >> despite >> >> the closer mounting points. Once adapted to the sliders and then >> >> attached on the original YJ floor brackets, the new seats bolted right >> >> in. >> >> >> >> Although the pictures in catalogs and on the net don't show this very >> >> well, there is a distinct and deep drop to the place where your fanny >> >> ends up. And it is relatively small in area - not bad for my 165 lbs, >> >> but probably too tiny for the bigger folks to use comfortably. The >> >> front of the seat slopes upward dramatically, giving you the feeling >> >> that you are leaning back even if you have the reclining mechanism >> >> straight up. This, combined with the fact that the seats are taller >> >> than stock, makes the floor a reach for my 30 inch inseam. My wife, at >> >> 5'2", cannot touch the floor when sitting upright! I'm comfortable >> >> driving with this arrangement (although I do have to slide the seat >> >> back to get in and then forward again to drive with my stock steering; >> >> if I had a tilt wheel I could probably leave the seat in one place and >> >> just tilt up/down to get in/out). In the short term I'll put a >> >> platform >> >> on the floor for my wife's feet (dangling feet are not only not >> >> comfortable, it is bad for your legs/blood circulation, etc.). In the >> >> long term I will eventually retool the adapter brackets to lower the >> >> front of the seat (only a small distance to play with there without >> >> modifying the stock floor bracket) and raise the rear of the seat (a >> >> spacer and longer bolt should do the trick there). Even at that, >> >> unless >> >> I'm willing to cut down the stock YJ floor brackets I cannot lower the >> >> seat enough to make my wife comfortable without something on the floor >> >> to rest her feet on. Frankly I don't know what I could do to fix >> >> things >> >> so she could drive the YJ with these seats in place. >> >> >> >> I wanted fabric seats (vinyl is really not a good option for >> >> hot'lanta) >> >> and I wanted reclining seats. I wanted new (because why trade my set >> >> of >> >> used seats for somebody else's?). And I wasn't willing to spend >$500 >> >> to get fabric recliners from Bestop or Outland. These APC "racing" >> >> seats are not perfect, especially from my wife's perspective, but they >> >> are comfortable, supportive, and affordable. I think I"m going to be >> >> happy driving with these seats on road and off. Since I am doing a >> >> fair >> >> amount of work on the jeep right now I have to ------ my funds around >> >> carefully. If seats were the _only_ thing I was doing during this >> >> project phase, I'd probably have bought Bestop Trailmax Pro seats (if >> >> I >> >> could convince the treasurer to let me have that kind of money for >> >> seats :-). But at these clearance prices I'm a happy camper and >> >> (regardless of price) MUCH more comfortable than the old stock seats. >> >> >> >> I'd be happy to try and answer any questions, if I can. Also, although >> >> I don't know WHY you'd want them, I will hang onto the stock seats for >> >> a couple of weeks and give them to someone (local pickup, these aren't >> >> worth paying shipping for). >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ed Humphries >> >> Atlanta, Georgia |
Re: APC Seats for Wrangler
I bought 2 used YJ seats, which of coarse are a bolt in, it was like going
from a VW to a cadilac. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:442D51CF.DF280C07@sympatico.ca... > Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat > replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero. > > What did you end up with for seats? > > Mike > > Greg wrote: >> >> Hey I didn't get the stereo speakers in my Fiero seats that came in my >> CJ, >> and they were the most uncomfortable seats ever for a jeep, you sat back >> too >> far, and too lo, one of the first things I replaced, that was about 400 >> replaced things ago. >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:442D435A.53B5DF7C@sympatico.ca... >> > You can just go to the wrecker and get Mustang seats. The fit exactly >> > like you describe. Totally useless unless you have long legs..... >> > Thanks for the write up and warning about those 'inexpensive' seats. >> > >> > I have heard Pontiac Fiero seats fit well. The also have stereo >> > speakers in the headrests... >> > >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > >> > edh3007@bellsouth.net wrote: >> >> >> >> 1992 Jeep YJ Wrangler Hardtop >> >> >> >> My original seats were okay for their age, but I wanted more comfort >> >> and support. Since I'd have the seats out anyway to redo the floor, I >> >> thought "Now's the time". >> >> >> >> American Products Company (don't bother googling, their web site isn't >> >> up "yet") has been clearing out an older line of seats through >> >> retailers and online shops like J.C. Whitney. These APC "Formula 1 >> >> Racing Seats" have also been on Ebay. At $89-$99 each, compared to >> >> orignal MSRP of $359 (or so) and retail of @ $180, these seats seemed >> >> like a bargain. I picked a pair up at Godfather Customs (Decatur, >> >> Georgia). Note that some of the online and Ebay bargains are >> >> accompanied by rather pricey "shipping & handling" charges. >> >> >> >> These seats claim to be "universal fit" and the salesdroid at >> >> Godfather's said it was a drop-in replacement for a Wrangler "or minor >> >> adjustment". In fact, of course, once you remove the sliding bracket >> >> that comes on the seat, you can measure to see that the front to back >> >> mounting holes are closer together than on the YJ seats and the side >> >> to >> >> side ones are further apart. Rather than pay APC $130 (or more) apiece >> >> for adapter brackets, I took 1/8 inch bar steel (hard on drill bits!) >> >> and made my own adapters. I used the seat sliders off my old seats. >> >> >> >> As the side to side distance implies, these seats are slightly wider >> >> than stock. However, the front to back size is roughly the same >> >> despite >> >> the closer mounting points. Once adapted to the sliders and then >> >> attached on the original YJ floor brackets, the new seats bolted right >> >> in. >> >> >> >> Although the pictures in catalogs and on the net don't show this very >> >> well, there is a distinct and deep drop to the place where your fanny >> >> ends up. And it is relatively small in area - not bad for my 165 lbs, >> >> but probably too tiny for the bigger folks to use comfortably. The >> >> front of the seat slopes upward dramatically, giving you the feeling >> >> that you are leaning back even if you have the reclining mechanism >> >> straight up. This, combined with the fact that the seats are taller >> >> than stock, makes the floor a reach for my 30 inch inseam. My wife, at >> >> 5'2", cannot touch the floor when sitting upright! I'm comfortable >> >> driving with this arrangement (although I do have to slide the seat >> >> back to get in and then forward again to drive with my stock steering; >> >> if I had a tilt wheel I could probably leave the seat in one place and >> >> just tilt up/down to get in/out). In the short term I'll put a >> >> platform >> >> on the floor for my wife's feet (dangling feet are not only not >> >> comfortable, it is bad for your legs/blood circulation, etc.). In the >> >> long term I will eventually retool the adapter brackets to lower the >> >> front of the seat (only a small distance to play with there without >> >> modifying the stock floor bracket) and raise the rear of the seat (a >> >> spacer and longer bolt should do the trick there). Even at that, >> >> unless >> >> I'm willing to cut down the stock YJ floor brackets I cannot lower the >> >> seat enough to make my wife comfortable without something on the floor >> >> to rest her feet on. Frankly I don't know what I could do to fix >> >> things >> >> so she could drive the YJ with these seats in place. >> >> >> >> I wanted fabric seats (vinyl is really not a good option for >> >> hot'lanta) >> >> and I wanted reclining seats. I wanted new (because why trade my set >> >> of >> >> used seats for somebody else's?). And I wasn't willing to spend >$500 >> >> to get fabric recliners from Bestop or Outland. These APC "racing" >> >> seats are not perfect, especially from my wife's perspective, but they >> >> are comfortable, supportive, and affordable. I think I"m going to be >> >> happy driving with these seats on road and off. Since I am doing a >> >> fair >> >> amount of work on the jeep right now I have to ------ my funds around >> >> carefully. If seats were the _only_ thing I was doing during this >> >> project phase, I'd probably have bought Bestop Trailmax Pro seats (if >> >> I >> >> could convince the treasurer to let me have that kind of money for >> >> seats :-). But at these clearance prices I'm a happy camper and >> >> (regardless of price) MUCH more comfortable than the old stock seats. >> >> >> >> I'd be happy to try and answer any questions, if I can. Also, although >> >> I don't know WHY you'd want them, I will hang onto the stock seats for >> >> a couple of weeks and give them to someone (local pickup, these aren't >> >> worth paying shipping for). >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ed Humphries >> >> Atlanta, Georgia |
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