AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

I'm thinking (again) that I need to replace the seals in the AMC 20
rear axle of my 83 CJ7 (wide track).

I understand there are two (2) seals - an "inner" that helps keep the
grease/lube in the pumpkin, and an "outer" that protect the bearings
and keeps crap from going into the axle tube, and lube inside the
tube, etc

I know the outer seal is between the bearing and axle flange (mine are
1-piece Moser's - not the stock two-piece) and the bearing must be
pressed off/on the repalce the seal.

But the inner can be replaced after pulling the axle, etc - WITHOUT
pressing the bering etc

Questions:
In the groups experience - how often has seal failure been the outer
seal vs. the inner seal? In other words, which seal is more prone to
failure inner or outer?
The seal leakage is evidenced by leakage and dust build-up etc on the
outside of the brake backing plate etc - the brake wheel cylinders are
not the source of the leakage - they have already been checked)

How do I re-fill the pumpkin with lube etc since there is no fill/
drain plugs on the round pumkin cover (Thanks AMC!)

I'm running a full on Detroit locker in the rear. Standard gear oil?
Or does it need an additive ... a la a limited slip diff? (I'm
thinking standard gear lube - of the approproate weight - is used)

Many thanks

Lynn in Vancouver
(getting ready for the annual pilgrimage to TDS)

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

Although I can only answer one question, I will give it, fill diff by fill
plug located in the front. My inner seals were replaced when I had my
Detroit put in and I replaced the outter about the same time when I went to
one peice axles. But I do have a question, what is TDS, something jeep?
Asking as I am in Powell River.
Greg

<lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170008142.495676.312380@v33g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm thinking (again) that I need to replace the seals in the AMC 20
> rear axle of my 83 CJ7 (wide track).
>
> I understand there are two (2) seals - an "inner" that helps keep the
> grease/lube in the pumpkin, and an "outer" that protect the bearings
> and keeps crap from going into the axle tube, and lube inside the
> tube, etc
>
> I know the outer seal is between the bearing and axle flange (mine are
> 1-piece Moser's - not the stock two-piece) and the bearing must be
> pressed off/on the repalce the seal.
>
> But the inner can be replaced after pulling the axle, etc - WITHOUT
> pressing the bering etc
>
> Questions:
> In the groups experience - how often has seal failure been the outer
> seal vs. the inner seal? In other words, which seal is more prone to
> failure inner or outer?
> The seal leakage is evidenced by leakage and dust build-up etc on the
> outside of the brake backing plate etc - the brake wheel cylinders are
> not the source of the leakage - they have already been checked)
>
> How do I re-fill the pumpkin with lube etc since there is no fill/
> drain plugs on the round pumkin cover (Thanks AMC!)
>
> I'm running a full on Detroit locker in the rear. Standard gear oil?
> Or does it need an additive ... a la a limited slip diff? (I'm
> thinking standard gear lube - of the approproate weight - is used)
>
> Many thanks
>
> Lynn in Vancouver
> (getting ready for the annual pilgrimage to TDS)
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

Although I can only answer one question, I will give it, fill diff by fill
plug located in the front. My inner seals were replaced when I had my
Detroit put in and I replaced the outter about the same time when I went to
one peice axles. But I do have a question, what is TDS, something jeep?
Asking as I am in Powell River.
Greg

<lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170008142.495676.312380@v33g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm thinking (again) that I need to replace the seals in the AMC 20
> rear axle of my 83 CJ7 (wide track).
>
> I understand there are two (2) seals - an "inner" that helps keep the
> grease/lube in the pumpkin, and an "outer" that protect the bearings
> and keeps crap from going into the axle tube, and lube inside the
> tube, etc
>
> I know the outer seal is between the bearing and axle flange (mine are
> 1-piece Moser's - not the stock two-piece) and the bearing must be
> pressed off/on the repalce the seal.
>
> But the inner can be replaced after pulling the axle, etc - WITHOUT
> pressing the bering etc
>
> Questions:
> In the groups experience - how often has seal failure been the outer
> seal vs. the inner seal? In other words, which seal is more prone to
> failure inner or outer?
> The seal leakage is evidenced by leakage and dust build-up etc on the
> outside of the brake backing plate etc - the brake wheel cylinders are
> not the source of the leakage - they have already been checked)
>
> How do I re-fill the pumpkin with lube etc since there is no fill/
> drain plugs on the round pumkin cover (Thanks AMC!)
>
> I'm running a full on Detroit locker in the rear. Standard gear oil?
> Or does it need an additive ... a la a limited slip diff? (I'm
> thinking standard gear lube - of the approproate weight - is used)
>
> Many thanks
>
> Lynn in Vancouver
> (getting ready for the annual pilgrimage to TDS)
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

Although I can only answer one question, I will give it, fill diff by fill
plug located in the front. My inner seals were replaced when I had my
Detroit put in and I replaced the outter about the same time when I went to
one peice axles. But I do have a question, what is TDS, something jeep?
Asking as I am in Powell River.
Greg

<lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170008142.495676.312380@v33g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm thinking (again) that I need to replace the seals in the AMC 20
> rear axle of my 83 CJ7 (wide track).
>
> I understand there are two (2) seals - an "inner" that helps keep the
> grease/lube in the pumpkin, and an "outer" that protect the bearings
> and keeps crap from going into the axle tube, and lube inside the
> tube, etc
>
> I know the outer seal is between the bearing and axle flange (mine are
> 1-piece Moser's - not the stock two-piece) and the bearing must be
> pressed off/on the repalce the seal.
>
> But the inner can be replaced after pulling the axle, etc - WITHOUT
> pressing the bering etc
>
> Questions:
> In the groups experience - how often has seal failure been the outer
> seal vs. the inner seal? In other words, which seal is more prone to
> failure inner or outer?
> The seal leakage is evidenced by leakage and dust build-up etc on the
> outside of the brake backing plate etc - the brake wheel cylinders are
> not the source of the leakage - they have already been checked)
>
> How do I re-fill the pumpkin with lube etc since there is no fill/
> drain plugs on the round pumkin cover (Thanks AMC!)
>
> I'm running a full on Detroit locker in the rear. Standard gear oil?
> Or does it need an additive ... a la a limited slip diff? (I'm
> thinking standard gear lube - of the approproate weight - is used)
>
> Many thanks
>
> Lynn in Vancouver
> (getting ready for the annual pilgrimage to TDS)
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

Although I can only answer one question, I will give it, fill diff by fill
plug located in the front. My inner seals were replaced when I had my
Detroit put in and I replaced the outter about the same time when I went to
one peice axles. But I do have a question, what is TDS, something jeep?
Asking as I am in Powell River.
Greg

<lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170008142.495676.312380@v33g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm thinking (again) that I need to replace the seals in the AMC 20
> rear axle of my 83 CJ7 (wide track).
>
> I understand there are two (2) seals - an "inner" that helps keep the
> grease/lube in the pumpkin, and an "outer" that protect the bearings
> and keeps crap from going into the axle tube, and lube inside the
> tube, etc
>
> I know the outer seal is between the bearing and axle flange (mine are
> 1-piece Moser's - not the stock two-piece) and the bearing must be
> pressed off/on the repalce the seal.
>
> But the inner can be replaced after pulling the axle, etc - WITHOUT
> pressing the bering etc
>
> Questions:
> In the groups experience - how often has seal failure been the outer
> seal vs. the inner seal? In other words, which seal is more prone to
> failure inner or outer?
> The seal leakage is evidenced by leakage and dust build-up etc on the
> outside of the brake backing plate etc - the brake wheel cylinders are
> not the source of the leakage - they have already been checked)
>
> How do I re-fill the pumpkin with lube etc since there is no fill/
> drain plugs on the round pumkin cover (Thanks AMC!)
>
> I'm running a full on Detroit locker in the rear. Standard gear oil?
> Or does it need an additive ... a la a limited slip diff? (I'm
> thinking standard gear lube - of the approproate weight - is used)
>
> Many thanks
>
> Lynn in Vancouver
> (getting ready for the annual pilgrimage to TDS)
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

On Jan 28, 2:33 pm, "Greg" <gregl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Although I can only answer one question, I will give it, fill diff by fill
> plug located in the front. My inner seals were replaced when I had my
> Detroit put in and I replaced the outter about the same time when I went to
> one peice axles. But I do have a question, what is TDS, something jeep?
> Asking as I am in Powell River.
> Greg
>
TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
1,500 vehicles and great fun

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

On Jan 28, 2:33 pm, "Greg" <gregl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Although I can only answer one question, I will give it, fill diff by fill
> plug located in the front. My inner seals were replaced when I had my
> Detroit put in and I replaced the outter about the same time when I went to
> one peice axles. But I do have a question, what is TDS, something jeep?
> Asking as I am in Powell River.
> Greg
>
TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
1,500 vehicles and great fun

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

On Jan 28, 2:33 pm, "Greg" <gregl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Although I can only answer one question, I will give it, fill diff by fill
> plug located in the front. My inner seals were replaced when I had my
> Detroit put in and I replaced the outter about the same time when I went to
> one peice axles. But I do have a question, what is TDS, something jeep?
> Asking as I am in Powell River.
> Greg
>
TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
1,500 vehicles and great fun

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

On Jan 28, 2:33 pm, "Greg" <gregl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Although I can only answer one question, I will give it, fill diff by fill
> plug located in the front. My inner seals were replaced when I had my
> Detroit put in and I replaced the outter about the same time when I went to
> one peice axles. But I do have a question, what is TDS, something jeep?
> Asking as I am in Powell River.
> Greg
>
TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
1,500 vehicles and great fun

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------

<howlyn2go@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.googlegro ups.com...
>
> TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> 1,500 vehicles and great fun
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------

<howlyn2go@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.googlegro ups.com...
>
> TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> 1,500 vehicles and great fun
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------

<howlyn2go@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.googlegro ups.com...
>
> TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> 1,500 vehicles and great fun
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------

<howlyn2go@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.googlegro ups.com...
>
> TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> 1,500 vehicles and great fun
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

So Bill - you coming out to TDS this year? Would be great ..... look
for a yellow CJ7 (a Real Jeep), with red flames and a full cage.

Also - any help on my AMC 20 Questions? Figured you'd have answers
with a "click or two" of your mouse. Seriously hoping you'd pitch in
with some answers/links.

Thanks

On Jan 28, 6:21 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote:
> http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> <howlyn...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.go oglegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> > San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> > Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> > 1,500 vehicles and great fun- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

So Bill - you coming out to TDS this year? Would be great ..... look
for a yellow CJ7 (a Real Jeep), with red flames and a full cage.

Also - any help on my AMC 20 Questions? Figured you'd have answers
with a "click or two" of your mouse. Seriously hoping you'd pitch in
with some answers/links.

Thanks

On Jan 28, 6:21 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote:
> http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> <howlyn...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.go oglegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> > San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> > Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> > 1,500 vehicles and great fun- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

So Bill - you coming out to TDS this year? Would be great ..... look
for a yellow CJ7 (a Real Jeep), with red flames and a full cage.

Also - any help on my AMC 20 Questions? Figured you'd have answers
with a "click or two" of your mouse. Seriously hoping you'd pitch in
with some answers/links.

Thanks

On Jan 28, 6:21 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote:
> http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> <howlyn...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.go oglegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> > San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> > Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> > 1,500 vehicles and great fun- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

So Bill - you coming out to TDS this year? Would be great ..... look
for a yellow CJ7 (a Real Jeep), with red flames and a full cage.

Also - any help on my AMC 20 Questions? Figured you'd have answers
with a "click or two" of your mouse. Seriously hoping you'd pitch in
with some answers/links.

Thanks

On Jan 28, 6:21 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote:
> http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> <howlyn...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.go oglegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> > San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> > Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> > 1,500 vehicles and great fun- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

Not to four wheel, but I may attend the raffle, lots of big parts are
given away, to all my friend, but none to me making my 4H rabbit the only
thing I have won:
http://images.google.com/images?svnu...i+&btnG=Search
It's the inner seal that stops the gear lube from leaking:
http://amccf.com/tech/new/rear_axle_...af_springs.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

<lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170050601.743017.31650@s48g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> So Bill - you coming out to TDS this year? Would be great ..... look
> for a yellow CJ7 (a Real Jeep), with red flames and a full cage.
>
> Also - any help on my AMC 20 Questions? Figured you'd have answers
> with a "click or two" of your mouse. Seriously hoping you'd pitch in
> with some answers/links.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Jan 28, 6:21 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
> wrote:
> > http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
> > http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> > mailto:LW------...@aol.com
> >
> > <howlyn...@aol.com> wrote in
messagenews:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.go oglegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> > > San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> > > Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> > > 1,500 vehicles and great fun- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

Not to four wheel, but I may attend the raffle, lots of big parts are
given away, to all my friend, but none to me making my 4H rabbit the only
thing I have won:
http://images.google.com/images?svnu...i+&btnG=Search
It's the inner seal that stops the gear lube from leaking:
http://amccf.com/tech/new/rear_axle_...af_springs.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

<lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170050601.743017.31650@s48g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> So Bill - you coming out to TDS this year? Would be great ..... look
> for a yellow CJ7 (a Real Jeep), with red flames and a full cage.
>
> Also - any help on my AMC 20 Questions? Figured you'd have answers
> with a "click or two" of your mouse. Seriously hoping you'd pitch in
> with some answers/links.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Jan 28, 6:21 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
> wrote:
> > http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
> > http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> > mailto:LW------...@aol.com
> >
> > <howlyn...@aol.com> wrote in
messagenews:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.go oglegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> > > San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> > > Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> > > 1,500 vehicles and great fun- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

Not to four wheel, but I may attend the raffle, lots of big parts are
given away, to all my friend, but none to me making my 4H rabbit the only
thing I have won:
http://images.google.com/images?svnu...i+&btnG=Search
It's the inner seal that stops the gear lube from leaking:
http://amccf.com/tech/new/rear_axle_...af_springs.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

<lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170050601.743017.31650@s48g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> So Bill - you coming out to TDS this year? Would be great ..... look
> for a yellow CJ7 (a Real Jeep), with red flames and a full cage.
>
> Also - any help on my AMC 20 Questions? Figured you'd have answers
> with a "click or two" of your mouse. Seriously hoping you'd pitch in
> with some answers/links.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Jan 28, 6:21 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
> wrote:
> > http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
> > http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> > mailto:LW------...@aol.com
> >
> > <howlyn...@aol.com> wrote in
messagenews:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.go oglegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> > > San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> > > Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> > > 1,500 vehicles and great fun- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
>

Re: AMC 20 Seals - Questions?
 

Not to four wheel, but I may attend the raffle, lots of big parts are
given away, to all my friend, but none to me making my 4H rabbit the only
thing I have won:
http://images.google.com/images?svnu...i+&btnG=Search
It's the inner seal that stops the gear lube from leaking:
http://amccf.com/tech/new/rear_axle_...af_springs.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

<lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1170050601.743017.31650@s48g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> So Bill - you coming out to TDS this year? Would be great ..... look
> for a yellow CJ7 (a Real Jeep), with red flames and a full cage.
>
> Also - any help on my AMC 20 Questions? Figured you'd have answers
> with a "click or two" of your mouse. Seriously hoping you'd pitch in
> with some answers/links.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Jan 28, 6:21 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
> wrote:
> > http://www.----------.com/TierraDS.jpg
> > http://www.----------.com/tierraDelSol72.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> > mailto:LW------...@aol.com
> >
> > <howlyn...@aol.com> wrote in
messagenews:1170034067.434187.64960@p10g2000cwp.go oglegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > TDS = Tierra del Sol Jeep Safari ---- an annual Jeep event put on by a
> > > San Diego CA Jeep club. Out by Salton Sea in an area called "Truck
> > > Haven Hilis". Been happening for soething like 40+ years, 1,200 -
> > > 1,500 vehicles and great fun- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
>