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Simon Juncal 11-28-2003 01:28 PM

all right time for some 4WD questions
 
I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
to get me anything from the front tires.

The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?

This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.


Kevin in San Diego 11-28-2003 01:53 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
Your front hubs arent locking? Is it a vacuum type front axle?
KH

"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FC793E7.4070900@erols.com...
> I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> to get me anything from the front tires.
>
> The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>
> This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>




Kevin in San Diego 11-28-2003 01:53 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
Your front hubs arent locking? Is it a vacuum type front axle?
KH

"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FC793E7.4070900@erols.com...
> I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> to get me anything from the front tires.
>
> The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>
> This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>




Kevin in San Diego 11-28-2003 01:53 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
Your front hubs arent locking? Is it a vacuum type front axle?
KH

"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FC793E7.4070900@erols.com...
> I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> to get me anything from the front tires.
>
> The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>
> This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>




FrankW 11-28-2003 01:56 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking hubs.

Simon Juncal wrote:
> I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> to get me anything from the front tires.
>
> The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>
> This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>



FrankW 11-28-2003 01:56 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking hubs.

Simon Juncal wrote:
> I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> to get me anything from the front tires.
>
> The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>
> This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>



FrankW 11-28-2003 01:56 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking hubs.

Simon Juncal wrote:
> I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> to get me anything from the front tires.
>
> The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>
> This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>



Jerry Bransford 11-28-2003 02:02 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 


"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
> I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
> Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking hubs.


Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated axle
disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> > I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> > Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> > sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> > under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> > I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> > in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> > existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> > spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> > to get me anything from the front tires.
> >
> > The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> > RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> > no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
> >
> > This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
> >

>




Jerry Bransford 11-28-2003 02:02 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 


"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
> I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
> Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking hubs.


Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated axle
disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> > I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> > Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> > sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> > under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> > I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> > in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> > existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> > spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> > to get me anything from the front tires.
> >
> > The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> > RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> > no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
> >
> > This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
> >

>




Jerry Bransford 11-28-2003 02:02 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 


"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
> I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
> Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking hubs.


Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated axle
disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> > I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> > Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> > sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> > under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> > I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> > in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> > existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> > spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> > to get me anything from the front tires.
> >
> > The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> > RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> > no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
> >
> > This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
> >

>




FrankW 11-28-2003 02:16 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
Ya whatever :-)
At least I didn't have to get out
in the snow and manually lock them.

Jerry Bransford wrote:

> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
>
>>I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
>>Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking hubs.

>
>
> Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated axle
> disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>>Simon Juncal wrote:
>>
>>>I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
>>> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
>>>sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
>>>under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
>>>I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
>>>in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
>>>existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
>>>spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
>>>to get me anything from the front tires.
>>>
>>>The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
>>>RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
>>>no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>>>
>>>This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>>>

>>

>
>



FrankW 11-28-2003 02:16 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
Ya whatever :-)
At least I didn't have to get out
in the snow and manually lock them.

Jerry Bransford wrote:

> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
>
>>I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
>>Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking hubs.

>
>
> Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated axle
> disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>>Simon Juncal wrote:
>>
>>>I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
>>> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
>>>sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
>>>under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
>>>I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
>>>in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
>>>existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
>>>spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
>>>to get me anything from the front tires.
>>>
>>>The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
>>>RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
>>>no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>>>
>>>This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>>>

>>

>
>



FrankW 11-28-2003 02:16 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
Ya whatever :-)
At least I didn't have to get out
in the snow and manually lock them.

Jerry Bransford wrote:

> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
>
>>I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
>>Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking hubs.

>
>
> Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated axle
> disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>>Simon Juncal wrote:
>>
>>>I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
>>> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
>>>sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
>>>under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
>>>I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
>>>in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
>>>existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
>>>spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
>>>to get me anything from the front tires.
>>>
>>>The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
>>>RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
>>>no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>>>
>>>This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>>>

>>

>
>



Mike Romain 11-28-2003 05:33 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
There are vacuum lines running to the axle on the passenger side.
Sounds like one is off or broken. Those lines also run 'real' close to
the exhaust pipe and I have seen a few that got melted back near the
transfer case.

One other thing, if you only have one wheel spinning, you can bang on
the brake pedal while giving it gas and when you load up the spinning
wheel with the brake, the torque needed to turn the wheel will equal the
torque needed to break the not moving wheel loose from the ground. That
way you can get both back wheels and if you are really good all 4
spinning. Even with open diffs.

My owners manual mentions that using the e-brake can do the same, but I
have had better luck punching/pulsing the brake pedal hard.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> to get me anything from the front tires.
>
> The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>
> This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.


Mike Romain 11-28-2003 05:33 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
There are vacuum lines running to the axle on the passenger side.
Sounds like one is off or broken. Those lines also run 'real' close to
the exhaust pipe and I have seen a few that got melted back near the
transfer case.

One other thing, if you only have one wheel spinning, you can bang on
the brake pedal while giving it gas and when you load up the spinning
wheel with the brake, the torque needed to turn the wheel will equal the
torque needed to break the not moving wheel loose from the ground. That
way you can get both back wheels and if you are really good all 4
spinning. Even with open diffs.

My owners manual mentions that using the e-brake can do the same, but I
have had better luck punching/pulsing the brake pedal hard.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> to get me anything from the front tires.
>
> The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>
> This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.


Mike Romain 11-28-2003 05:33 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
There are vacuum lines running to the axle on the passenger side.
Sounds like one is off or broken. Those lines also run 'real' close to
the exhaust pipe and I have seen a few that got melted back near the
transfer case.

One other thing, if you only have one wheel spinning, you can bang on
the brake pedal while giving it gas and when you load up the spinning
wheel with the brake, the torque needed to turn the wheel will equal the
torque needed to break the not moving wheel loose from the ground. That
way you can get both back wheels and if you are really good all 4
spinning. Even with open diffs.

My owners manual mentions that using the e-brake can do the same, but I
have had better luck punching/pulsing the brake pedal hard.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can do.
> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no traction
> in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither seemed
> to get me anything from the front tires.
>
> The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>
> This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.


CRWLR 11-28-2003 11:10 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
I locked my hubs in the comfort of my garage before I went out, 4 years ago.




"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:CsednZmRBf2aAlqiRVn-ig@magma.ca...
> Ya whatever :-)
> At least I didn't have to get out
> in the snow and manually lock them.
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> > news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
> >
> >>I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
> >>Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking

hubs.
> >
> >
> > Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated

axle
> > disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >>Simon Juncal wrote:
> >>
> >>>I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can

do.
> >>> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> >>>sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> >>>under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> >>>I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no

traction
> >>>in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> >>>existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> >>>spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither

seemed
> >>>to get me anything from the front tires.
> >>>
> >>>The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> >>>RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> >>>no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
> >>>
> >>>This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
> >>>
> >>

> >
> >

>




CRWLR 11-28-2003 11:10 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
I locked my hubs in the comfort of my garage before I went out, 4 years ago.




"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:CsednZmRBf2aAlqiRVn-ig@magma.ca...
> Ya whatever :-)
> At least I didn't have to get out
> in the snow and manually lock them.
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> > news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
> >
> >>I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
> >>Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking

hubs.
> >
> >
> > Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated

axle
> > disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >>Simon Juncal wrote:
> >>
> >>>I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can

do.
> >>> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> >>>sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> >>>under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> >>>I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no

traction
> >>>in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> >>>existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> >>>spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither

seemed
> >>>to get me anything from the front tires.
> >>>
> >>>The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> >>>RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> >>>no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
> >>>
> >>>This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
> >>>
> >>

> >
> >

>




CRWLR 11-28-2003 11:10 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
I locked my hubs in the comfort of my garage before I went out, 4 years ago.




"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:CsednZmRBf2aAlqiRVn-ig@magma.ca...
> Ya whatever :-)
> At least I didn't have to get out
> in the snow and manually lock them.
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> > news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
> >
> >>I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
> >>Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking

hubs.
> >
> >
> > Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated

axle
> > disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >>Simon Juncal wrote:
> >>
> >>>I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can

do.
> >>> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
> >>>sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
> >>>under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
> >>>I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no

traction
> >>>in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
> >>>existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
> >>>spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither

seemed
> >>>to get me anything from the front tires.
> >>>
> >>>The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
> >>>RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
> >>>no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
> >>>
> >>>This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
> >>>
> >>

> >
> >

>




Peter Parker 11-28-2003 11:28 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
In article <vsg747gj3hqod2@corp.supernews.com>,
CRWLR <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>I locked my hubs in the comfort of my garage before I went out, 4 years ago.
>

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>"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
>news:CsednZmRBf2aAlqiRVn-ig@magma.ca...
>> Ya whatever :-)
>> At least I didn't have to get out
>> in the snow and manually lock them.
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
>> >
>> >>I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
>> >>Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking

>hubs.
>> >
>> >
>> > Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated

>axle
>> > disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.
>> >
>> > Jerry
>> > --
>> > Jerry Bransford
>> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>> > See the Geezer Jeep at
>> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>> >
>> >
>> >>Simon Juncal wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can

>do.
>> >>> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
>> >>>sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
>> >>>under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
>> >>>I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no

>traction
>> >>>in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
>> >>>existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
>> >>>spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither

>seemed
>> >>>to get me anything from the front tires.
>> >>>
>> >>>The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
>> >>>RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
>> >>>no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>> >>>
>> >>>This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>

>
>



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Peter Parker 11-28-2003 11:28 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
In article <vsg747gj3hqod2@corp.supernews.com>,
CRWLR <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>I locked my hubs in the comfort of my garage before I went out, 4 years ago.
>

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>
>"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
>news:CsednZmRBf2aAlqiRVn-ig@magma.ca...
>> Ya whatever :-)
>> At least I didn't have to get out
>> in the snow and manually lock them.
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
>> >
>> >>I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
>> >>Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking

>hubs.
>> >
>> >
>> > Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated

>axle
>> > disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.
>> >
>> > Jerry
>> > --
>> > Jerry Bransford
>> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>> > See the Geezer Jeep at
>> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>> >
>> >
>> >>Simon Juncal wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can

>do.
>> >>> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
>> >>>sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
>> >>>under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
>> >>>I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no

>traction
>> >>>in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
>> >>>existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
>> >>>spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither

>seemed
>> >>>to get me anything from the front tires.
>> >>>
>> >>>The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
>> >>>RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
>> >>>no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>> >>>
>> >>>This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>

>
>



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Peter Parker 11-28-2003 11:28 PM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
In article <vsg747gj3hqod2@corp.supernews.com>,
CRWLR <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>I locked my hubs in the comfort of my garage before I went out, 4 years ago.
>

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>
>
>
>"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
>news:CsednZmRBf2aAlqiRVn-ig@magma.ca...
>> Ya whatever :-)
>> At least I didn't have to get out
>> in the snow and manually lock them.
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:sJqdnfNyoZncB1qiRVn-tw@magma.ca...
>> >
>> >>I had a 88YJ that had the same problem.
>> >>Turned out to be a leaking vacuum hose that engages the autolocking

>hubs.
>> >
>> >
>> > Wrangers don't have autolocking hubs. The YJ used a vacuum actuated

>axle
>> > disconnect contraption on the two-piece passenger side axle shaft.
>> >
>> > Jerry
>> > --
>> > Jerry Bransford
>> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>> > See the Geezer Jeep at
>> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>> >
>> >
>> >>Simon Juncal wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I just took the beater out on my old logging road to see what it can

>do.
>> >>> Didn't get far before the all season stock size tires let me down on a
>> >>>sharp but small incline. The ground is covered in wet leaves and right
>> >>>under them some relatively firm dirt. I was pretty damn disappointed as
>> >>>I lost traction and then got _barely_ stuck (really just had no

>traction
>> >>>in that spot and got unstuck easily) as the wheels settled into some
>> >>>existing ruts. I noticed that only the rear tire was actually
>> >>>spinning... nothing from the front. I tried 4H and 4L and neither

>seemed
>> >>>to get me anything from the front tires.
>> >>>
>> >>>The crank case seems to shift fine, I could tell from the difference in
>> >>>RPM vs Speed that I was obviously in 4L, 4H and 2wd when I shifted and
>> >>>no odd noises. So why didn't I get anything from the front wheels?
>> >>>
>> >>>This is an 88 YJ with d30 and d35.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>

>
>



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Nick N 11-29-2003 12:04 AM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
No, I disagree, that's not how it works...
Nick

"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
news:3fc82085_2@nntp2.nac.net...
> In article <vsg747gj3hqod2@corp.supernews.com>,
> CRWLR <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> >

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Nick N 11-29-2003 12:04 AM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
No, I disagree, that's not how it works...
Nick

"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
news:3fc82085_2@nntp2.nac.net...
> In article <vsg747gj3hqod2@corp.supernews.com>,
> CRWLR <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
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Nick N 11-29-2003 12:04 AM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 
No, I disagree, that's not how it works...
Nick

"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
news:3fc82085_2@nntp2.nac.net...
> In article <vsg747gj3hqod2@corp.supernews.com>,
> CRWLR <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> >

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Retiredff 11-29-2003 09:59 AM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 


Mike Romain wrote:
> There are vacuum lines running to the axle on the passenger side.
> Sounds like one is off or broken. Those lines also run 'real' close
> to the exhaust pipe and I have seen a few that got melted back near
> the transfer case.


They also run under the battery tray. The acid loves them.



Retiredff 11-29-2003 09:59 AM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 


Mike Romain wrote:
> There are vacuum lines running to the axle on the passenger side.
> Sounds like one is off or broken. Those lines also run 'real' close
> to the exhaust pipe and I have seen a few that got melted back near
> the transfer case.


They also run under the battery tray. The acid loves them.



Retiredff 11-29-2003 09:59 AM

Re: all right time for some 4WD questions
 


Mike Romain wrote:
> There are vacuum lines running to the axle on the passenger side.
> Sounds like one is off or broken. Those lines also run 'real' close
> to the exhaust pipe and I have seen a few that got melted back near
> the transfer case.


They also run under the battery tray. The acid loves them.




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