Alignment ?
 

On my '75 CJ5 the front wheels appear to have toe in. I measured the
distance between the front of the tire and the rear of the tire. My tape
shows a 1/4" toe in. Is there supposed a little toe in? I can't remember.
I serviced the wheel bearings since the last alignment because they were
loose. After repacking and adjusting the tension could I have taken the
wheels out of alignment?

Thanks
Paul

Re: Alignment ?
 

The Toe In should be 3/32nds on your CJ. This is just under 1/8th (4/32 is
1/8), so yo uneed to be very consistant with your measurements. If you can
see the seam (mold mark) that goes around the tire near the center of the
tread, base your measurements there. The sidewalls can have a 1/8 variance,
and this can screw your adjustment efforts.

Servicing the wheel bearings should not have knocked the alignment out, but
the bent traililng arm that connects the left and right tires will make the
front measurement smaller than the back by an amount greater than the
specification.

As you follow the steering linkage from the steering box through to the
tires, the linkage that connects the steering box to the first tire will
cause the steering wheel to be aligned properly, the linkage arm that
connects the two tires will adjust the toe in/toe out. When I played with my
steering, I set the steering wheel straight, then adjusted the toe in. If
the steering wheel is off more than a few degrees, you might find that you
have to make the adjustment a couple of times in order to dial all of the
stuff in.




"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bl1q0o$6pa5g$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> On my '75 CJ5 the front wheels appear to have toe in. I measured the
> distance between the front of the tire and the rear of the tire. My tape
> shows a 1/4" toe in. Is there supposed a little toe in? I can't
remember.
> I serviced the wheel bearings since the last alignment because they were
> loose. After repacking and adjusting the tension could I have taken the
> wheels out of alignment?
>
> Thanks
> Paul
>
>

Re: Alignment ?
 

The Toe In should be 3/32nds on your CJ. This is just under 1/8th (4/32 is
1/8), so yo uneed to be very consistant with your measurements. If you can
see the seam (mold mark) that goes around the tire near the center of the
tread, base your measurements there. The sidewalls can have a 1/8 variance,
and this can screw your adjustment efforts.

Servicing the wheel bearings should not have knocked the alignment out, but
the bent traililng arm that connects the left and right tires will make the
front measurement smaller than the back by an amount greater than the
specification.

As you follow the steering linkage from the steering box through to the
tires, the linkage that connects the steering box to the first tire will
cause the steering wheel to be aligned properly, the linkage arm that
connects the two tires will adjust the toe in/toe out. When I played with my
steering, I set the steering wheel straight, then adjusted the toe in. If
the steering wheel is off more than a few degrees, you might find that you
have to make the adjustment a couple of times in order to dial all of the
stuff in.




"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bl1q0o$6pa5g$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> On my '75 CJ5 the front wheels appear to have toe in. I measured the
> distance between the front of the tire and the rear of the tire. My tape
> shows a 1/4" toe in. Is there supposed a little toe in? I can't
remember.
> I serviced the wheel bearings since the last alignment because they were
> loose. After repacking and adjusting the tension could I have taken the
> wheels out of alignment?
>
> Thanks
> Paul
>
>

Re: Alignment ?
 

I use a pipe wrench and don't worry about the tie rod ends.

Once I have the the toe in set, a slight turn back on the rod
straightens the tie rods back square with the hub arm then I tighten the
stabilizer and end clamps back up.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Paul Brogren wrote:
>
> My steering wheel's straight, so I won't mess with that. One other
> question, when rotating the tie rod(linkage) what have you used to do it?
> I'm thinking to use a pipe wrench. Also, what have you held the rod ends
> with so I don't damage them?
>
> Thanks Again,
> Paul
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vn8vb5koaju481@corp.supernews.com...
> > The Toe In should be 3/32nds on your CJ. This is just under 1/8th (4/32 is
> > 1/8), so yo uneed to be very consistant with your measurements. If you can
> > see the seam (mold mark) that goes around the tire near the center of the
> > tread, base your measurements there. The sidewalls can have a 1/8
> variance,
> > and this can screw your adjustment efforts.
> >
> > Servicing the wheel bearings should not have knocked the alignment out,
> but
> > the bent traililng arm that connects the left and right tires will make
> the
> > front measurement smaller than the back by an amount greater than the
> > specification.
> >
> > As you follow the steering linkage from the steering box through to the
> > tires, the linkage that connects the steering box to the first tire will
> > cause the steering wheel to be aligned properly, the linkage arm that
> > connects the two tires will adjust the toe in/toe out. When I played with
> my
> > steering, I set the steering wheel straight, then adjusted the toe in. If
> > the steering wheel is off more than a few degrees, you might find that you
> > have to make the adjustment a couple of times in order to dial all of the
> > stuff in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:bl1q0o$6pa5g$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > On my '75 CJ5 the front wheels appear to have toe in. I measured the
> > > distance between the front of the tire and the rear of the tire. My
> tape
> > > shows a 1/4" toe in. Is there supposed a little toe in? I can't
> > remember.
> > > I serviced the wheel bearings since the last alignment because they were
> > > loose. After repacking and adjusting the tension could I have taken the
> > > wheels out of alignment?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Re: Alignment ?
 

I use a pipe wrench and don't worry about the tie rod ends.

Once I have the the toe in set, a slight turn back on the rod
straightens the tie rods back square with the hub arm then I tighten the
stabilizer and end clamps back up.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Paul Brogren wrote:
>
> My steering wheel's straight, so I won't mess with that. One other
> question, when rotating the tie rod(linkage) what have you used to do it?
> I'm thinking to use a pipe wrench. Also, what have you held the rod ends
> with so I don't damage them?
>
> Thanks Again,
> Paul
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vn8vb5koaju481@corp.supernews.com...
> > The Toe In should be 3/32nds on your CJ. This is just under 1/8th (4/32 is
> > 1/8), so yo uneed to be very consistant with your measurements. If you can
> > see the seam (mold mark) that goes around the tire near the center of the
> > tread, base your measurements there. The sidewalls can have a 1/8
> variance,
> > and this can screw your adjustment efforts.
> >
> > Servicing the wheel bearings should not have knocked the alignment out,
> but
> > the bent traililng arm that connects the left and right tires will make
> the
> > front measurement smaller than the back by an amount greater than the
> > specification.
> >
> > As you follow the steering linkage from the steering box through to the
> > tires, the linkage that connects the steering box to the first tire will
> > cause the steering wheel to be aligned properly, the linkage arm that
> > connects the two tires will adjust the toe in/toe out. When I played with
> my
> > steering, I set the steering wheel straight, then adjusted the toe in. If
> > the steering wheel is off more than a few degrees, you might find that you
> > have to make the adjustment a couple of times in order to dial all of the
> > stuff in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:bl1q0o$6pa5g$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > On my '75 CJ5 the front wheels appear to have toe in. I measured the
> > > distance between the front of the tire and the rear of the tire. My
> tape
> > > shows a 1/4" toe in. Is there supposed a little toe in? I can't
> > remember.
> > > I serviced the wheel bearings since the last alignment because they were
> > > loose. After repacking and adjusting the tension could I have taken the
> > > wheels out of alignment?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Re: Alignment ?
 

I used either a small pipe wrench, or channel locks. I don't recall.
Obviously, you will want to squeeze it (the turnbuckle) from a direction
that isn't going to close it around the tierod threads and make it difficult
to turn.

The tie rod ends are limited in their movement because they are left
connected to the steering knuckles. They will tilt a few degrees, but they
don't spin all the way around, so you don't have to worry about them. Squirt
some liquid wrench on the turnbuckle so the rust and crap on the threads
will break apart. I didn't worry about damaging the ends when I did my
adjustments, but my tie rod ends are so smashed and dinged that a little
twisting and bending isn't going to make much difference.





"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bl1v6l$7egbt$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> My steering wheel's straight, so I won't mess with that. One other
> question, when rotating the tie rod(linkage) what have you used to do it?
> I'm thinking to use a pipe wrench. Also, what have you held the rod ends
> with so I don't damage them?
>
> Thanks Again,
> Paul
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vn8vb5koaju481@corp.supernews.com...
> > The Toe In should be 3/32nds on your CJ. This is just under 1/8th (4/32
is
> > 1/8), so yo uneed to be very consistant with your measurements. If you
can
> > see the seam (mold mark) that goes around the tire near the center of
the
> > tread, base your measurements there. The sidewalls can have a 1/8
> variance,
> > and this can screw your adjustment efforts.
> >
> > Servicing the wheel bearings should not have knocked the alignment out,
> but
> > the bent traililng arm that connects the left and right tires will make
> the
> > front measurement smaller than the back by an amount greater than the
> > specification.
> >
> > As you follow the steering linkage from the steering box through to the
> > tires, the linkage that connects the steering box to the first tire will
> > cause the steering wheel to be aligned properly, the linkage arm that
> > connects the two tires will adjust the toe in/toe out. When I played
with
> my
> > steering, I set the steering wheel straight, then adjusted the toe in.
If
> > the steering wheel is off more than a few degrees, you might find that
you
> > have to make the adjustment a couple of times in order to dial all of
the
> > stuff in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:bl1q0o$6pa5g$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > On my '75 CJ5 the front wheels appear to have toe in. I measured the
> > > distance between the front of the tire and the rear of the tire. My
> tape
> > > shows a 1/4" toe in. Is there supposed a little toe in? I can't
> > remember.
> > > I serviced the wheel bearings since the last alignment because they
were
> > > loose. After repacking and adjusting the tension could I have taken
the
> > > wheels out of alignment?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Alignment ?
 

I used either a small pipe wrench, or channel locks. I don't recall.
Obviously, you will want to squeeze it (the turnbuckle) from a direction
that isn't going to close it around the tierod threads and make it difficult
to turn.

The tie rod ends are limited in their movement because they are left
connected to the steering knuckles. They will tilt a few degrees, but they
don't spin all the way around, so you don't have to worry about them. Squirt
some liquid wrench on the turnbuckle so the rust and crap on the threads
will break apart. I didn't worry about damaging the ends when I did my
adjustments, but my tie rod ends are so smashed and dinged that a little
twisting and bending isn't going to make much difference.





"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bl1v6l$7egbt$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> My steering wheel's straight, so I won't mess with that. One other
> question, when rotating the tie rod(linkage) what have you used to do it?
> I'm thinking to use a pipe wrench. Also, what have you held the rod ends
> with so I don't damage them?
>
> Thanks Again,
> Paul
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vn8vb5koaju481@corp.supernews.com...
> > The Toe In should be 3/32nds on your CJ. This is just under 1/8th (4/32
is
> > 1/8), so yo uneed to be very consistant with your measurements. If you
can
> > see the seam (mold mark) that goes around the tire near the center of
the
> > tread, base your measurements there. The sidewalls can have a 1/8
> variance,
> > and this can screw your adjustment efforts.
> >
> > Servicing the wheel bearings should not have knocked the alignment out,
> but
> > the bent traililng arm that connects the left and right tires will make
> the
> > front measurement smaller than the back by an amount greater than the
> > specification.
> >
> > As you follow the steering linkage from the steering box through to the
> > tires, the linkage that connects the steering box to the first tire will
> > cause the steering wheel to be aligned properly, the linkage arm that
> > connects the two tires will adjust the toe in/toe out. When I played
with
> my
> > steering, I set the steering wheel straight, then adjusted the toe in.
If
> > the steering wheel is off more than a few degrees, you might find that
you
> > have to make the adjustment a couple of times in order to dial all of
the
> > stuff in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:bl1q0o$6pa5g$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > On my '75 CJ5 the front wheels appear to have toe in. I measured the
> > > distance between the front of the tire and the rear of the tire. My
> tape
> > > shows a 1/4" toe in. Is there supposed a little toe in? I can't
> > remember.
> > > I serviced the wheel bearings since the last alignment because they
were
> > > loose. After repacking and adjusting the tension could I have taken
the
> > > wheels out of alignment?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Alignment ?
 

Use either a set of channel locks or vise grips if necessary (shouldn't be
that tight). Soaking the threads on the tie rod ends with penetrating oil an
letting it sit overnight is help. You can also try heating the tie rod at
the end threads (gently) with a propane torch to break rusted threads free.
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bl1v6l$7egbt$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> My steering wheel's straight, so I won't mess with that. One other
> question, when rotating the tie rod(linkage) what have you used to do it?
> I'm thinking to use a pipe wrench. Also, what have you held the rod ends
> with so I don't damage them?
>
> Thanks Again,
> Paul
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vn8vb5koaju481@corp.supernews.com...
> > The Toe In should be 3/32nds on your CJ. This is just under 1/8th (4/32
is
> > 1/8), so yo uneed to be very consistant with your measurements. If you
can
> > see the seam (mold mark) that goes around the tire near the center of
the
> > tread, base your measurements there. The sidewalls can have a 1/8
> variance,
> > and this can screw your adjustment efforts.
> >
> > Servicing the wheel bearings should not have knocked the alignment out,
> but
> > the bent traililng arm that connects the left and right tires will make
> the
> > front measurement smaller than the back by an amount greater than the
> > specification.
> >
> > As you follow the steering linkage from the steering box through to the
> > tires, the linkage that connects the steering box to the first tire will
> > cause the steering wheel to be aligned properly, the linkage arm that
> > connects the two tires will adjust the toe in/toe out. When I played
with
> my
> > steering, I set the steering wheel straight, then adjusted the toe in.
If
> > the steering wheel is off more than a few degrees, you might find that
you
> > have to make the adjustment a couple of times in order to dial all of
the
> > stuff in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:bl1q0o$6pa5g$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > On my '75 CJ5 the front wheels appear to have toe in. I measured the
> > > distance between the front of the tire and the rear of the tire. My
> tape
> > > shows a 1/4" toe in. Is there supposed a little toe in? I can't
> > remember.
> > > I serviced the wheel bearings since the last alignment because they
were
> > > loose. After repacking and adjusting the tension could I have taken
the
> > > wheels out of alignment?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Alignment ?
 

Use either a set of channel locks or vise grips if necessary (shouldn't be
that tight). Soaking the threads on the tie rod ends with penetrating oil an
letting it sit overnight is help. You can also try heating the tie rod at
the end threads (gently) with a propane torch to break rusted threads free.
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bl1v6l$7egbt$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> My steering wheel's straight, so I won't mess with that. One other
> question, when rotating the tie rod(linkage) what have you used to do it?
> I'm thinking to use a pipe wrench. Also, what have you held the rod ends
> with so I don't damage them?
>
> Thanks Again,
> Paul
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vn8vb5koaju481@corp.supernews.com...
> > The Toe In should be 3/32nds on your CJ. This is just under 1/8th (4/32
is
> > 1/8), so yo uneed to be very consistant with your measurements. If you
can
> > see the seam (mold mark) that goes around the tire near the center of
the
> > tread, base your measurements there. The sidewalls can have a 1/8
> variance,
> > and this can screw your adjustment efforts.
> >
> > Servicing the wheel bearings should not have knocked the alignment out,
> but
> > the bent traililng arm that connects the left and right tires will make
> the
> > front measurement smaller than the back by an amount greater than the
> > specification.
> >
> > As you follow the steering linkage from the steering box through to the
> > tires, the linkage that connects the steering box to the first tire will
> > cause the steering wheel to be aligned properly, the linkage arm that
> > connects the two tires will adjust the toe in/toe out. When I played
with
> my
> > steering, I set the steering wheel straight, then adjusted the toe in.
If
> > the steering wheel is off more than a few degrees, you might find that
you
> > have to make the adjustment a couple of times in order to dial all of
the
> > stuff in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:bl1q0o$6pa5g$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > On my '75 CJ5 the front wheels appear to have toe in. I measured the
> > > distance between the front of the tire and the rear of the tire. My
> tape
> > > shows a 1/4" toe in. Is there supposed a little toe in? I can't
> > remember.
> > > I serviced the wheel bearings since the last alignment because they
were
> > > loose. After repacking and adjusting the tension could I have taken
the
> > > wheels out of alignment?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Alignment ?
 

My steering wheel's straight, so I won't mess with that. One other
question, when rotating the tie rod(linkage) what have you used to do it?
I'm thinking to use a pipe wrench. Also, what have you held the rod ends
with so I don't damage them?

Thanks Again,
Paul


"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vn8vb5koaju481@corp.supernews.com...
> The Toe In should be 3/32nds on your CJ. This is just under 1/8th (4/32 is
> 1/8), so yo uneed to be very consistant with your measurements. If you can
> see the seam (mold mark) that goes around the tire near the center of the
> tread, base your measurements there. The sidewalls can have a 1/8
variance,
> and this can screw your adjustment efforts.
>
> Servicing the wheel bearings should not have knocked the alignment out,
but
> the bent traililng arm that connects the left and right tires will make
the
> front measurement smaller than the back by an amount greater than the
> specification.
>
> As you follow the steering linkage from the steering box through to the
> tires, the linkage that connects the steering box to the first tire will
> cause the steering wheel to be aligned properly, the linkage arm that
> connects the two tires will adjust the toe in/toe out. When I played with
my
> steering, I set the steering wheel straight, then adjusted the toe in. If
> the steering wheel is off more than a few degrees, you might find that you
> have to make the adjustment a couple of times in order to dial all of the
> stuff in.
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:bl1q0o$6pa5g$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > On my '75 CJ5 the front wheels appear to have toe in. I measured the
> > distance between the front of the tire and the rear of the tire. My
tape
> > shows a 1/4" toe in. Is there supposed a little toe in? I can't
> remember.
> > I serviced the wheel bearings since the last alignment because they were
> > loose. After repacking and adjusting the tension could I have taken the
> > wheels out of alignment?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Paul
> >
> >
>
>