Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Hello,
above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.

Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd) more
than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.

Questions:

1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto

Any problems with either one of these engines or
transmissions?

2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case

I understand how they work and don't mind shifting into
4WD
but would one be better than the other for towing?

Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow a
year :-)

3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??

Thanks for any info,
---Greg---

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Selectrac is only available with the 4.0L engine, not the 4.7 V8. I've
towed with a 4.0L Cherokee but there's no comparison between it and the two
4.7L Grand Cherokees we've owned (we still own the second one). Superb
engine and does great towing a trailer of your size. The 4.7L is the
second-best engine I've owned, second-best only to the superb 4.0L I had in
a Lexus LS400... which is to say the 4.7L Jeep engine is an
excellent/outstanding engine. The tranny is excellent too, you barely feel
it shift. That combination definitely gets up and goes. The 4.7L
definitely wins on ease of changing the spark plugs, all eight are right on
top and easily accessible, an amazing thing.

You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
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http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?
>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow
a
> year :-)
>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
> Thanks for any info,
> ---Greg---
>
>

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Selectrac is only available with the 4.0L engine, not the 4.7 V8. I've
towed with a 4.0L Cherokee but there's no comparison between it and the two
4.7L Grand Cherokees we've owned (we still own the second one). Superb
engine and does great towing a trailer of your size. The 4.7L is the
second-best engine I've owned, second-best only to the superb 4.0L I had in
a Lexus LS400... which is to say the 4.7L Jeep engine is an
excellent/outstanding engine. The tranny is excellent too, you barely feel
it shift. That combination definitely gets up and goes. The 4.7L
definitely wins on ease of changing the spark plugs, all eight are right on
top and easily accessible, an amazing thing.

You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?
>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow
a
> year :-)
>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
> Thanks for any info,
> ---Greg---
>
>

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Selectrac is only available with the 4.0L engine, not the 4.7 V8. I've
towed with a 4.0L Cherokee but there's no comparison between it and the two
4.7L Grand Cherokees we've owned (we still own the second one). Superb
engine and does great towing a trailer of your size. The 4.7L is the
second-best engine I've owned, second-best only to the superb 4.0L I had in
a Lexus LS400... which is to say the 4.7L Jeep engine is an
excellent/outstanding engine. The tranny is excellent too, you barely feel
it shift. That combination definitely gets up and goes. The 4.7L
definitely wins on ease of changing the spark plugs, all eight are right on
top and easily accessible, an amazing thing.

You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?
>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow
a
> year :-)
>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
> Thanks for any info,
> ---Greg---
>
>

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

> You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
> version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.
>
> Jerry

Thanks for the reply, Jerry

I test drove a 4.7 HO and it was pretty impressive.
It was kind of disheartening when the trip computer said I got 7.8 MPG.

thanks again.

---Greg---

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

> You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
> version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.
>
> Jerry

Thanks for the reply, Jerry

I test drove a 4.7 HO and it was pretty impressive.
It was kind of disheartening when the trip computer said I got 7.8 MPG.

thanks again.

---Greg---

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

> You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
> version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.
>
> Jerry

Thanks for the reply, Jerry

I test drove a 4.7 HO and it was pretty impressive.
It was kind of disheartening when the trip computer said I got 7.8 MPG.

thanks again.

---Greg---

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Greg wrote:
>>You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
>>version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.
>>
>>Jerry
>
>
> Thanks for the reply, Jerry
>
> I test drove a 4.7 HO and it was pretty impressive.
> It was kind of disheartening when the trip computer said I got 7.8 MPG.
>
> thanks again.
>
> ---Greg---
>
>

Well, horsepower comes from something!

Dan

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Greg wrote:
>>You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
>>version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.
>>
>>Jerry
>
>
> Thanks for the reply, Jerry
>
> I test drove a 4.7 HO and it was pretty impressive.
> It was kind of disheartening when the trip computer said I got 7.8 MPG.
>
> thanks again.
>
> ---Greg---
>
>

Well, horsepower comes from something!

Dan

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Greg wrote:
>>You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
>>version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.
>>
>>Jerry
>
>
> Thanks for the reply, Jerry
>
> I test drove a 4.7 HO and it was pretty impressive.
> It was kind of disheartening when the trip computer said I got 7.8 MPG.
>
> thanks again.
>
> ---Greg---
>
>

Well, horsepower comes from something!

Dan

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Roughly 12/24/03 06:09, Greg's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd) more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?

Not really. The V8 transmission does have a cute trick on downshift
that gives a slightly higher speed than it does on upshift.

The 4.0 can tow the trailer, but you'd probably be happier
with the V8 if you do it much. Get all of the tow package
addons such as extra transmission cooler, and plan on just
changing the fluid every 60K it should run forever.

>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow a
> year :-)

Yikes. If you get the Limited or Overland, get the continuously
variable Quadra-Drive and Vari-Lock axles. Details under the
4x4 links on the www.jeep.com page. On the lowermodels, the
QTrac 2. Unless you plan on hardcore rock crawling.

For snow, the full time 4wd's work when needed. There may be
some mileage benefit from the availability of the 2WD modes on
the Selectrac, dunno. For slippery mud, etc. the part time
4wd can lock the front and rear, but not really that much better
than the Quadra-Drive and Vari-Lock.

>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
Getting rid of that ---- eating grin mostly, plus getting
your wife out of the driver's seat...

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Roughly 12/24/03 06:09, Greg's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd) more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?

Not really. The V8 transmission does have a cute trick on downshift
that gives a slightly higher speed than it does on upshift.

The 4.0 can tow the trailer, but you'd probably be happier
with the V8 if you do it much. Get all of the tow package
addons such as extra transmission cooler, and plan on just
changing the fluid every 60K it should run forever.

>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow a
> year :-)

Yikes. If you get the Limited or Overland, get the continuously
variable Quadra-Drive and Vari-Lock axles. Details under the
4x4 links on the www.jeep.com page. On the lowermodels, the
QTrac 2. Unless you plan on hardcore rock crawling.

For snow, the full time 4wd's work when needed. There may be
some mileage benefit from the availability of the 2WD modes on
the Selectrac, dunno. For slippery mud, etc. the part time
4wd can lock the front and rear, but not really that much better
than the Quadra-Drive and Vari-Lock.

>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
Getting rid of that ---- eating grin mostly, plus getting
your wife out of the driver's seat...

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Roughly 12/24/03 06:09, Greg's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd) more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?

Not really. The V8 transmission does have a cute trick on downshift
that gives a slightly higher speed than it does on upshift.

The 4.0 can tow the trailer, but you'd probably be happier
with the V8 if you do it much. Get all of the tow package
addons such as extra transmission cooler, and plan on just
changing the fluid every 60K it should run forever.

>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow a
> year :-)

Yikes. If you get the Limited or Overland, get the continuously
variable Quadra-Drive and Vari-Lock axles. Details under the
4x4 links on the www.jeep.com page. On the lowermodels, the
QTrac 2. Unless you plan on hardcore rock crawling.

For snow, the full time 4wd's work when needed. There may be
some mileage benefit from the availability of the 2WD modes on
the Selectrac, dunno. For slippery mud, etc. the part time
4wd can lock the front and rear, but not really that much better
than the Quadra-Drive and Vari-Lock.

>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
Getting rid of that ---- eating grin mostly, plus getting
your wife out of the driver's seat...

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Roughly 12/24/03 07:33, Greg's monkeys randomly typed:

>> You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
>> version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.
>>
>> Jerry
>
> Thanks for the reply, Jerry
>
> I test drove a 4.7 HO and it was pretty impressive.
> It was kind of disheartening when the trip computer said I got 7.8 MPG.

You may have been testing performance a bit too much. A friend's
2003 4.7 HO Overland gets so close to the same mileage I get in a
95 ZJ 4.0 that I keep taking the missus by the local dealer "accidentally"
[is her ZJ, but she is nice enough to let me play...]. In town
about 15 if mostly the expressways, highway roughly 20.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Roughly 12/24/03 07:33, Greg's monkeys randomly typed:

>> You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
>> version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.
>>
>> Jerry
>
> Thanks for the reply, Jerry
>
> I test drove a 4.7 HO and it was pretty impressive.
> It was kind of disheartening when the trip computer said I got 7.8 MPG.

You may have been testing performance a bit too much. A friend's
2003 4.7 HO Overland gets so close to the same mileage I get in a
95 ZJ 4.0 that I keep taking the missus by the local dealer "accidentally"
[is her ZJ, but she is nice enough to let me play...]. In town
about 15 if mostly the expressways, highway roughly 20.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Roughly 12/24/03 07:33, Greg's monkeys randomly typed:

>> You'd be real happy with the 4.7L (don't spend extra for the High-Output
>> version) and Quadratrac when towing or just driving around, I know we are.
>>
>> Jerry
>
> Thanks for the reply, Jerry
>
> I test drove a 4.7 HO and it was pretty impressive.
> It was kind of disheartening when the trip computer said I got 7.8 MPG.

You may have been testing performance a bit too much. A friend's
2003 4.7 HO Overland gets so close to the same mileage I get in a
95 ZJ 4.0 that I keep taking the missus by the local dealer "accidentally"
[is her ZJ, but she is nice enough to let me play...]. In town
about 15 if mostly the expressways, highway roughly 20.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

From what I have seen lately at our Jeep dealership Chrysler seems have got
most of the bugs out of the WJ. "Grand Cherokee". The brakes are the only
sore spot. The front brake rotors tend to warp, of which Chrysler has
addressed. You will definitely need the 4.7 engine with the 45RFE Trans to
pull the weight you are taking about. I would stay away from the select
track because there are no advantages, either fuel mileage or reliability to
have it. Select track is out dated and at times can be a problem to engage
when you need it. There may be an additional trans oil cooler available for
the WJ. Mechanically the WJs are all solid no matter what drive train they
have.
Hope this helps
Mike

"Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?
>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow
a
> year :-)
>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
> Thanks for any info,
> ---Greg---
>
>

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

From what I have seen lately at our Jeep dealership Chrysler seems have got
most of the bugs out of the WJ. "Grand Cherokee". The brakes are the only
sore spot. The front brake rotors tend to warp, of which Chrysler has
addressed. You will definitely need the 4.7 engine with the 45RFE Trans to
pull the weight you are taking about. I would stay away from the select
track because there are no advantages, either fuel mileage or reliability to
have it. Select track is out dated and at times can be a problem to engage
when you need it. There may be an additional trans oil cooler available for
the WJ. Mechanically the WJs are all solid no matter what drive train they
have.
Hope this helps
Mike

"Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?
>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow
a
> year :-)
>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
> Thanks for any info,
> ---Greg---
>
>

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

From what I have seen lately at our Jeep dealership Chrysler seems have got
most of the bugs out of the WJ. "Grand Cherokee". The brakes are the only
sore spot. The front brake rotors tend to warp, of which Chrysler has
addressed. You will definitely need the 4.7 engine with the 45RFE Trans to
pull the weight you are taking about. I would stay away from the select
track because there are no advantages, either fuel mileage or reliability to
have it. Select track is out dated and at times can be a problem to engage
when you need it. There may be an additional trans oil cooler available for
the WJ. Mechanically the WJs are all solid no matter what drive train they
have.
Hope this helps
Mike

"Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?
>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow
a
> year :-)
>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
> Thanks for any info,
> ---Greg---
>
>

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Michael,

I work for a Jeep dealership and have been selling Jeeps for four
years, sounds as if you work for one too.

Question, why would you say that the 4.7 is needed for towing 3000
lbs. The 4.0 I-6 can tow 5000 lbs. 4.7 - 6500 lbs.

Comment; the select-trac has been proven for a long time, difficult to
engage? I disagree.

Kevin O'Brien
email; kmobrien76@yahoo.com
Jeep dealer
Massachusetts






"Michael Simon" <msimon800@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<vuk9ll2kumjr96@corp.supernews.com>...
> From what I have seen lately at our Jeep dealership Chrysler seems have got
> most of the bugs out of the WJ. "Grand Cherokee". The brakes are the only
> sore spot. The front brake rotors tend to warp, of which Chrysler has
> addressed. You will definitely need the 4.7 engine with the 45RFE Trans to
> pull the weight you are taking about. I would stay away from the select
> track because there are no advantages, either fuel mileage or reliability to
> have it. Select track is out dated and at times can be a problem to engage
> when you need it. There may be an additional trans oil cooler available for
> the WJ. Mechanically the WJs are all solid no matter what drive train they
> have.
> Hope this helps
> Mike
>
> "Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > Hello,
> > above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> > usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> > with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
> >
> > Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
> more
> > than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
> >
> > Any problems with either one of these engines or
> > transmissions?
> >
> > 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
> >
> > I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
> into
> > 4WD
> > but would one be better than the other for towing?
> >
> > Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow
> a
> > year :-)
> >
> > 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
> >
> > Thanks for any info,
> > ---Greg---
> >
> >

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Michael,

I work for a Jeep dealership and have been selling Jeeps for four
years, sounds as if you work for one too.

Question, why would you say that the 4.7 is needed for towing 3000
lbs. The 4.0 I-6 can tow 5000 lbs. 4.7 - 6500 lbs.

Comment; the select-trac has been proven for a long time, difficult to
engage? I disagree.

Kevin O'Brien
email; kmobrien76@yahoo.com
Jeep dealer
Massachusetts






"Michael Simon" <msimon800@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<vuk9ll2kumjr96@corp.supernews.com>...
> From what I have seen lately at our Jeep dealership Chrysler seems have got
> most of the bugs out of the WJ. "Grand Cherokee". The brakes are the only
> sore spot. The front brake rotors tend to warp, of which Chrysler has
> addressed. You will definitely need the 4.7 engine with the 45RFE Trans to
> pull the weight you are taking about. I would stay away from the select
> track because there are no advantages, either fuel mileage or reliability to
> have it. Select track is out dated and at times can be a problem to engage
> when you need it. There may be an additional trans oil cooler available for
> the WJ. Mechanically the WJs are all solid no matter what drive train they
> have.
> Hope this helps
> Mike
>
> "Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > Hello,
> > above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> > usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> > with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
> >
> > Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
> more
> > than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
> >
> > Any problems with either one of these engines or
> > transmissions?
> >
> > 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
> >
> > I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
> into
> > 4WD
> > but would one be better than the other for towing?
> >
> > Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow
> a
> > year :-)
> >
> > 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
> >
> > Thanks for any info,
> > ---Greg---
> >
> >

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Michael,

I work for a Jeep dealership and have been selling Jeeps for four
years, sounds as if you work for one too.

Question, why would you say that the 4.7 is needed for towing 3000
lbs. The 4.0 I-6 can tow 5000 lbs. 4.7 - 6500 lbs.

Comment; the select-trac has been proven for a long time, difficult to
engage? I disagree.

Kevin O'Brien
email; kmobrien76@yahoo.com
Jeep dealer
Massachusetts






"Michael Simon" <msimon800@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<vuk9ll2kumjr96@corp.supernews.com>...
> From what I have seen lately at our Jeep dealership Chrysler seems have got
> most of the bugs out of the WJ. "Grand Cherokee". The brakes are the only
> sore spot. The front brake rotors tend to warp, of which Chrysler has
> addressed. You will definitely need the 4.7 engine with the 45RFE Trans to
> pull the weight you are taking about. I would stay away from the select
> track because there are no advantages, either fuel mileage or reliability to
> have it. Select track is out dated and at times can be a problem to engage
> when you need it. There may be an additional trans oil cooler available for
> the WJ. Mechanically the WJs are all solid no matter what drive train they
> have.
> Hope this helps
> Mike
>
> "Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > Hello,
> > above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> > usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> > with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
> >
> > Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
> more
> > than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
> >
> > Any problems with either one of these engines or
> > transmissions?
> >
> > 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
> >
> > I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
> into
> > 4WD
> > but would one be better than the other for towing?
> >
> > Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow
> a
> > year :-)
> >
> > 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
> >
> > Thanks for any info,
> > ---Greg---
> >
> >

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

"Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd) more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?
>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow a
> year :-)
>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
> Thanks for any info,
> ---Greg---

I just bought a new Columbia Edition JGC on Monday. I have put 350
miles on it in a week because of the holidays. Mine came with the HO
motor. It is pretty impressive on accelerating<sp?> and is a joy on
the highway. I traded in a 2002 Wrangler Sport. In the end, I was
down to a 4runner or this. The bang for buck quotient was higher on
this. I also thought the ride was better. My only concern was things
I've heard on reliability of these. Most issues were over the
Quadra-drive(there are several owners who have hate pages on the net
about this) I figured the QT-II that is in mine is a completely
different animal and any electrical or brake bugs would get worked out
within the life of the warranty. Overall, I think I made the right
choice on this one. It is a really great vehicle.

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

"Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd) more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?
>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow a
> year :-)
>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
> Thanks for any info,
> ---Greg---

I just bought a new Columbia Edition JGC on Monday. I have put 350
miles on it in a week because of the holidays. Mine came with the HO
motor. It is pretty impressive on accelerating<sp?> and is a joy on
the highway. I traded in a 2002 Wrangler Sport. In the end, I was
down to a 4runner or this. The bang for buck quotient was higher on
this. I also thought the ride was better. My only concern was things
I've heard on reliability of these. Most issues were over the
Quadra-drive(there are several owners who have hate pages on the net
about this) I figured the QT-II that is in mine is a completely
different animal and any electrical or brake bugs would get worked out
within the life of the warranty. Overall, I think I made the right
choice on this one. It is a really great vehicle.

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

"Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
> Hello,
> above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
>
> Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd) more
> than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed auto
>
> Any problems with either one of these engines or
> transmissions?
>
> 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
>
> I understand how they work and don't mind shifting into
> 4WD
> but would one be better than the other for towing?
>
> Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of snow a
> year :-)
>
> 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
>
> Thanks for any info,
> ---Greg---

I just bought a new Columbia Edition JGC on Monday. I have put 350
miles on it in a week because of the holidays. Mine came with the HO
motor. It is pretty impressive on accelerating<sp?> and is a joy on
the highway. I traded in a 2002 Wrangler Sport. In the end, I was
down to a 4runner or this. The bang for buck quotient was higher on
this. I also thought the ride was better. My only concern was things
I've heard on reliability of these. Most issues were over the
Quadra-drive(there are several owners who have hate pages on the net
about this) I figured the QT-II that is in mine is a completely
different animal and any electrical or brake bugs would get worked out
within the life of the warranty. Overall, I think I made the right
choice on this one. It is a really great vehicle.

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Kevin
As you know the 4.0 is a slug compared to the 4.7L. And you may also have
noticed in the sales literature the 45RFE 5 speed trans attached to the 4.7
5th gear ratio is 0.67:1 as apposed to the 42RE trans attached to the 4.0L
4th gear ratio is 0.69:1. Which one would you rather have on the longer
trips Greg is talking about for fuel mileage. Don't get me wrong I agree the
4.0L and the 42RE trans are proven reliable. Now on the subject of the
select-track 242 transfer case. First I have seen people attempt to just
slip the select trac shifters into Full time or Part time 4wd when they get
stuck "no synchros". They go no where because you need to be moving for
transfer case to engage 4wd. Second 90% of the jeep owners I talk to do not
know weather to use full time of part time 4wd when using select-track. We
tell people to leave their select-track in full time 4wd when weather turns
bad, but Kevin they never do, they get stuck and attempt to engage while the
jeep can't move. They then call us and tell us their 4wd would no work when
they needed it. No I disagree the time has come for Select-trac to
disappear, besides the on-demand 4-wheel drive transfer case is completely
reliable.
Which ever system a person performs Jeep is a solid investment.
Mike
Jeep Dealer
Nebraska

"Kevin O'Brien" <mrrisk91276@aol.com> wrote in message
news:8247d756.0312252043.31d52b9f@posting.google.c om...
> Michael,
>
> I work for a Jeep dealership and have been selling Jeeps for four
> years, sounds as if you work for one too.
>
> Question, why would you say that the 4.7 is needed for towing 3000
> lbs. The 4.0 I-6 can tow 5000 lbs. 4.7 - 6500 lbs.
>
> Comment; the select-trac has been proven for a long time, difficult to
> engage? I disagree.
>
> Kevin O'Brien
> email; kmobrien76@yahoo.com
> Jeep dealer
> Massachusetts
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Michael Simon" <msimon800@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<vuk9ll2kumjr96@corp.supernews.com>...
> > From what I have seen lately at our Jeep dealership Chrysler seems have
got
> > most of the bugs out of the WJ. "Grand Cherokee". The brakes are the
only
> > sore spot. The front brake rotors tend to warp, of which Chrysler has
> > addressed. You will definitely need the 4.7 engine with the 45RFE Trans
to
> > pull the weight you are taking about. I would stay away from the select
> > track because there are no advantages, either fuel mileage or
reliability to
> > have it. Select track is out dated and at times can be a problem to
engage
> > when you need it. There may be an additional trans oil cooler available
for
> > the WJ. Mechanically the WJs are all solid no matter what drive train
they
> > have.
> > Hope this helps
> > Mike
> >
> > "Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > > Hello,
> > > above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> > > usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> > > with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
> > >
> > > Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
> > more
> > > than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > >
> > > 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed
auto
> > >
> > > Any problems with either one of these engines or
> > > transmissions?
> > >
> > > 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
> > >
> > > I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
> > into
> > > 4WD
> > > but would one be better than the other for towing?
> > >
> > > Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of
snow
> > a
> > > year :-)
> > >
> > > 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
> > >
> > > Thanks for any info,
> > > ---Greg---
> > >
> > >

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Kevin
As you know the 4.0 is a slug compared to the 4.7L. And you may also have
noticed in the sales literature the 45RFE 5 speed trans attached to the 4.7
5th gear ratio is 0.67:1 as apposed to the 42RE trans attached to the 4.0L
4th gear ratio is 0.69:1. Which one would you rather have on the longer
trips Greg is talking about for fuel mileage. Don't get me wrong I agree the
4.0L and the 42RE trans are proven reliable. Now on the subject of the
select-track 242 transfer case. First I have seen people attempt to just
slip the select trac shifters into Full time or Part time 4wd when they get
stuck "no synchros". They go no where because you need to be moving for
transfer case to engage 4wd. Second 90% of the jeep owners I talk to do not
know weather to use full time of part time 4wd when using select-track. We
tell people to leave their select-track in full time 4wd when weather turns
bad, but Kevin they never do, they get stuck and attempt to engage while the
jeep can't move. They then call us and tell us their 4wd would no work when
they needed it. No I disagree the time has come for Select-trac to
disappear, besides the on-demand 4-wheel drive transfer case is completely
reliable.
Which ever system a person performs Jeep is a solid investment.
Mike
Jeep Dealer
Nebraska

"Kevin O'Brien" <mrrisk91276@aol.com> wrote in message
news:8247d756.0312252043.31d52b9f@posting.google.c om...
> Michael,
>
> I work for a Jeep dealership and have been selling Jeeps for four
> years, sounds as if you work for one too.
>
> Question, why would you say that the 4.7 is needed for towing 3000
> lbs. The 4.0 I-6 can tow 5000 lbs. 4.7 - 6500 lbs.
>
> Comment; the select-trac has been proven for a long time, difficult to
> engage? I disagree.
>
> Kevin O'Brien
> email; kmobrien76@yahoo.com
> Jeep dealer
> Massachusetts
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Michael Simon" <msimon800@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<vuk9ll2kumjr96@corp.supernews.com>...
> > From what I have seen lately at our Jeep dealership Chrysler seems have
got
> > most of the bugs out of the WJ. "Grand Cherokee". The brakes are the
only
> > sore spot. The front brake rotors tend to warp, of which Chrysler has
> > addressed. You will definitely need the 4.7 engine with the 45RFE Trans
to
> > pull the weight you are taking about. I would stay away from the select
> > track because there are no advantages, either fuel mileage or
reliability to
> > have it. Select track is out dated and at times can be a problem to
engage
> > when you need it. There may be an additional trans oil cooler available
for
> > the WJ. Mechanically the WJs are all solid no matter what drive train
they
> > have.
> > Hope this helps
> > Mike
> >
> > "Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > > Hello,
> > > above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> > > usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> > > with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
> > >
> > > Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
> > more
> > > than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > >
> > > 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed
auto
> > >
> > > Any problems with either one of these engines or
> > > transmissions?
> > >
> > > 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
> > >
> > > I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
> > into
> > > 4WD
> > > but would one be better than the other for towing?
> > >
> > > Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of
snow
> > a
> > > year :-)
> > >
> > > 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
> > >
> > > Thanks for any info,
> > > ---Greg---
> > >
> > >

Re: Advice on 2004 Grand Cherokee
 

Kevin
As you know the 4.0 is a slug compared to the 4.7L. And you may also have
noticed in the sales literature the 45RFE 5 speed trans attached to the 4.7
5th gear ratio is 0.67:1 as apposed to the 42RE trans attached to the 4.0L
4th gear ratio is 0.69:1. Which one would you rather have on the longer
trips Greg is talking about for fuel mileage. Don't get me wrong I agree the
4.0L and the 42RE trans are proven reliable. Now on the subject of the
select-track 242 transfer case. First I have seen people attempt to just
slip the select trac shifters into Full time or Part time 4wd when they get
stuck "no synchros". They go no where because you need to be moving for
transfer case to engage 4wd. Second 90% of the jeep owners I talk to do not
know weather to use full time of part time 4wd when using select-track. We
tell people to leave their select-track in full time 4wd when weather turns
bad, but Kevin they never do, they get stuck and attempt to engage while the
jeep can't move. They then call us and tell us their 4wd would no work when
they needed it. No I disagree the time has come for Select-trac to
disappear, besides the on-demand 4-wheel drive transfer case is completely
reliable.
Which ever system a person performs Jeep is a solid investment.
Mike
Jeep Dealer
Nebraska

"Kevin O'Brien" <mrrisk91276@aol.com> wrote in message
news:8247d756.0312252043.31d52b9f@posting.google.c om...
> Michael,
>
> I work for a Jeep dealership and have been selling Jeeps for four
> years, sounds as if you work for one too.
>
> Question, why would you say that the 4.7 is needed for towing 3000
> lbs. The 4.0 I-6 can tow 5000 lbs. 4.7 - 6500 lbs.
>
> Comment; the select-trac has been proven for a long time, difficult to
> engage? I disagree.
>
> Kevin O'Brien
> email; kmobrien76@yahoo.com
> Jeep dealer
> Massachusetts
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Michael Simon" <msimon800@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<vuk9ll2kumjr96@corp.supernews.com>...
> > From what I have seen lately at our Jeep dealership Chrysler seems have
got
> > most of the bugs out of the WJ. "Grand Cherokee". The brakes are the
only
> > sore spot. The front brake rotors tend to warp, of which Chrysler has
> > addressed. You will definitely need the 4.7 engine with the 45RFE Trans
to
> > pull the weight you are taking about. I would stay away from the select
> > track because there are no advantages, either fuel mileage or
reliability to
> > have it. Select track is out dated and at times can be a problem to
engage
> > when you need it. There may be an additional trans oil cooler available
for
> > the WJ. Mechanically the WJs are all solid no matter what drive train
they
> > have.
> > Hope this helps
> > Mike
> >
> > "Greg" <vze4973g@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:V6hGb.3364$1o.790@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > > Hello,
> > > above vehicle will be used to tow ~ 3000# trailer during the summer,
> > > usually just 20-30 miles 1-2 times a week.
> > > with 1 or 2 longer trips during the course of the summer.
> > >
> > > Looking for reliability ( and maybe fuel mileage running a close 2nd)
> > more
> > > than anything ,as I tend to keep vehicles for a long time.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > >
> > > 1-- 4.0 engine w/ 4 speed auto vs. 4.7 engine w/ 5 speed
auto
> > >
> > > Any problems with either one of these engines or
> > > transmissions?
> > >
> > > 2--Selec-Trac transfer case vs Quadra-Trac II transfer case
> > >
> > > I understand how they work and don't mind shifting
> > into
> > > 4WD
> > > but would one be better than the other for towing?
> > >
> > > Also we live in a snow belt area so we get a couple hundred inches of
snow
> > a
> > > year :-)
> > >
> > > 3-- Any problems in general with the Grand Cherokee??
> > >
> > > Thanks for any info,
> > > ---Greg---
> > >
> > >