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Tracie 09-19-2007 09:26 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
On Sep 19, 12:25 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > If going to the moon is the goal, then perhaps one might need the longer
> > distance and time to get a more accurate picture of actual speed. It is my
> > humble opinion -- and you should recall that humility is not my strong
> > suit -- is that repeating several single miles gives a pretty good picture

>
> You make life complicated - do the same calculation you did for one mile and
> divide the result by 5. The reasons I usually use a longer stretch are a.
> there is one just south of town here on the interstate and b. when you
> drive an 87 Comanche with over 180k on the clock at 6500' elevation and a
> 5-spd gearbox in front of 307's speed control is a tad hit or miss.<G>.
> Turns out, my result with 235/75R15's was exactly 7% slow - enough to get
> you a ticket in most states where the speed limit is 75. Besides, I was
> already bored with the trip and still hadn't reached to Colorado border
> when the destination was South Texas.
>
> As an aside, the highest mileage I ever got for long trips in that Comanche
> was 27 mpg. Colorado Springs -> Abilene, TX using 5th gear (2250 RPM) and a
> 40 kt tail wind all the way. Believe it or not, the second highest was 25.5
> mpg CS to Billing, MT into a 35 kt wind running 4th gear and 2700 RPM all
> the way - go figure.
>
> --
> Will Honea
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com


Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.

Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.


peachyracer 09-19-2007 10:00 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 19, 12:25 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> If going to the moon is the goal, then perhaps one might need the longer
>>> distance and time to get a more accurate picture of actual speed. It is my
>>> humble opinion -- and you should recall that humility is not my strong
>>> suit -- is that repeating several single miles gives a pretty good picture

>> You make life complicated - do the same calculation you did for one mile and
>> divide the result by 5. The reasons I usually use a longer stretch are a.
>> there is one just south of town here on the interstate and b. when you
>> drive an 87 Comanche with over 180k on the clock at 6500' elevation and a
>> 5-spd gearbox in front of 307's speed control is a tad hit or miss.<G>.
>> Turns out, my result with 235/75R15's was exactly 7% slow - enough to get
>> you a ticket in most states where the speed limit is 75. Besides, I was
>> already bored with the trip and still hadn't reached to Colorado border
>> when the destination was South Texas.
>>
>> As an aside, the highest mileage I ever got for long trips in that Comanche
>> was 27 mpg. Colorado Springs -> Abilene, TX using 5th gear (2250 RPM) and a
>> 40 kt tail wind all the way. Believe it or not, the second highest was 25.5
>> mpg CS to Billing, MT into a 35 kt wind running 4th gear and 2700 RPM all
>> the way - go figure.
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>

Can't beat that! Makes you wonder where you'll be buying next time...or
at least giving them a chance to match your best offer.

--
Pete
'84 CJ-7 with a bunch of engine mods, looks very stock from outside
'07 Commander
'94 Land Rover Defender 90 POE #1500
'04 Audi S4

peachyracer 09-19-2007 10:00 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 19, 12:25 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> If going to the moon is the goal, then perhaps one might need the longer
>>> distance and time to get a more accurate picture of actual speed. It is my
>>> humble opinion -- and you should recall that humility is not my strong
>>> suit -- is that repeating several single miles gives a pretty good picture

>> You make life complicated - do the same calculation you did for one mile and
>> divide the result by 5. The reasons I usually use a longer stretch are a.
>> there is one just south of town here on the interstate and b. when you
>> drive an 87 Comanche with over 180k on the clock at 6500' elevation and a
>> 5-spd gearbox in front of 307's speed control is a tad hit or miss.<G>.
>> Turns out, my result with 235/75R15's was exactly 7% slow - enough to get
>> you a ticket in most states where the speed limit is 75. Besides, I was
>> already bored with the trip and still hadn't reached to Colorado border
>> when the destination was South Texas.
>>
>> As an aside, the highest mileage I ever got for long trips in that Comanche
>> was 27 mpg. Colorado Springs -> Abilene, TX using 5th gear (2250 RPM) and a
>> 40 kt tail wind all the way. Believe it or not, the second highest was 25.5
>> mpg CS to Billing, MT into a 35 kt wind running 4th gear and 2700 RPM all
>> the way - go figure.
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>

Can't beat that! Makes you wonder where you'll be buying next time...or
at least giving them a chance to match your best offer.

--
Pete
'84 CJ-7 with a bunch of engine mods, looks very stock from outside
'07 Commander
'94 Land Rover Defender 90 POE #1500
'04 Audi S4

peachyracer 09-19-2007 10:00 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 19, 12:25 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> If going to the moon is the goal, then perhaps one might need the longer
>>> distance and time to get a more accurate picture of actual speed. It is my
>>> humble opinion -- and you should recall that humility is not my strong
>>> suit -- is that repeating several single miles gives a pretty good picture

>> You make life complicated - do the same calculation you did for one mile and
>> divide the result by 5. The reasons I usually use a longer stretch are a.
>> there is one just south of town here on the interstate and b. when you
>> drive an 87 Comanche with over 180k on the clock at 6500' elevation and a
>> 5-spd gearbox in front of 307's speed control is a tad hit or miss.<G>.
>> Turns out, my result with 235/75R15's was exactly 7% slow - enough to get
>> you a ticket in most states where the speed limit is 75. Besides, I was
>> already bored with the trip and still hadn't reached to Colorado border
>> when the destination was South Texas.
>>
>> As an aside, the highest mileage I ever got for long trips in that Comanche
>> was 27 mpg. Colorado Springs -> Abilene, TX using 5th gear (2250 RPM) and a
>> 40 kt tail wind all the way. Believe it or not, the second highest was 25.5
>> mpg CS to Billing, MT into a 35 kt wind running 4th gear and 2700 RPM all
>> the way - go figure.
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>

Can't beat that! Makes you wonder where you'll be buying next time...or
at least giving them a chance to match your best offer.

--
Pete
'84 CJ-7 with a bunch of engine mods, looks very stock from outside
'07 Commander
'94 Land Rover Defender 90 POE #1500
'04 Audi S4

peachyracer 09-19-2007 10:00 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 19, 12:25 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> If going to the moon is the goal, then perhaps one might need the longer
>>> distance and time to get a more accurate picture of actual speed. It is my
>>> humble opinion -- and you should recall that humility is not my strong
>>> suit -- is that repeating several single miles gives a pretty good picture

>> You make life complicated - do the same calculation you did for one mile and
>> divide the result by 5. The reasons I usually use a longer stretch are a.
>> there is one just south of town here on the interstate and b. when you
>> drive an 87 Comanche with over 180k on the clock at 6500' elevation and a
>> 5-spd gearbox in front of 307's speed control is a tad hit or miss.<G>.
>> Turns out, my result with 235/75R15's was exactly 7% slow - enough to get
>> you a ticket in most states where the speed limit is 75. Besides, I was
>> already bored with the trip and still hadn't reached to Colorado border
>> when the destination was South Texas.
>>
>> As an aside, the highest mileage I ever got for long trips in that Comanche
>> was 27 mpg. Colorado Springs -> Abilene, TX using 5th gear (2250 RPM) and a
>> 40 kt tail wind all the way. Believe it or not, the second highest was 25.5
>> mpg CS to Billing, MT into a 35 kt wind running 4th gear and 2700 RPM all
>> the way - go figure.
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>

Can't beat that! Makes you wonder where you'll be buying next time...or
at least giving them a chance to match your best offer.

--
Pete
'84 CJ-7 with a bunch of engine mods, looks very stock from outside
'07 Commander
'94 Land Rover Defender 90 POE #1500
'04 Audi S4

twaldron 09-19-2007 10:23 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>


I think they started adjusting in the computer in '03.....So I would
guess (hope) that it was reading 6 mph _low_ or 'under' the actual speed?

tw

twaldron 09-19-2007 10:23 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>


I think they started adjusting in the computer in '03.....So I would
guess (hope) that it was reading 6 mph _low_ or 'under' the actual speed?

tw

twaldron 09-19-2007 10:23 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>


I think they started adjusting in the computer in '03.....So I would
guess (hope) that it was reading 6 mph _low_ or 'under' the actual speed?

tw

twaldron 09-19-2007 10:23 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>


I think they started adjusting in the computer in '03.....So I would
guess (hope) that it was reading 6 mph _low_ or 'under' the actual speed?

tw

Mike Romain 09-19-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 19, 12:25 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> If going to the moon is the goal, then perhaps one might need the longer
>>> distance and time to get a more accurate picture of actual speed. It is my
>>> humble opinion -- and you should recall that humility is not my strong
>>> suit -- is that repeating several single miles gives a pretty good picture

>> You make life complicated - do the same calculation you did for one mile and
>> divide the result by 5. The reasons I usually use a longer stretch are a.
>> there is one just south of town here on the interstate and b. when you
>> drive an 87 Comanche with over 180k on the clock at 6500' elevation and a
>> 5-spd gearbox in front of 307's speed control is a tad hit or miss.<G>.
>> Turns out, my result with 235/75R15's was exactly 7% slow - enough to get
>> you a ticket in most states where the speed limit is 75. Besides, I was
>> already bored with the trip and still hadn't reached to Colorado border
>> when the destination was South Texas.
>>
>> As an aside, the highest mileage I ever got for long trips in that Comanche
>> was 27 mpg. Colorado Springs -> Abilene, TX using 5th gear (2250 RPM) and a
>> 40 kt tail wind all the way. Believe it or not, the second highest was 25.5
>> mpg CS to Billing, MT into a 35 kt wind running 4th gear and 2700 RPM all
>> the way - go figure.
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer.


Thanks for the follow up and info.

It would seem your watch method was pretty close eh.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 09-19-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 19, 12:25 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> If going to the moon is the goal, then perhaps one might need the longer
>>> distance and time to get a more accurate picture of actual speed. It is my
>>> humble opinion -- and you should recall that humility is not my strong
>>> suit -- is that repeating several single miles gives a pretty good picture

>> You make life complicated - do the same calculation you did for one mile and
>> divide the result by 5. The reasons I usually use a longer stretch are a.
>> there is one just south of town here on the interstate and b. when you
>> drive an 87 Comanche with over 180k on the clock at 6500' elevation and a
>> 5-spd gearbox in front of 307's speed control is a tad hit or miss.<G>.
>> Turns out, my result with 235/75R15's was exactly 7% slow - enough to get
>> you a ticket in most states where the speed limit is 75. Besides, I was
>> already bored with the trip and still hadn't reached to Colorado border
>> when the destination was South Texas.
>>
>> As an aside, the highest mileage I ever got for long trips in that Comanche
>> was 27 mpg. Colorado Springs -> Abilene, TX using 5th gear (2250 RPM) and a
>> 40 kt tail wind all the way. Believe it or not, the second highest was 25.5
>> mpg CS to Billing, MT into a 35 kt wind running 4th gear and 2700 RPM all
>> the way - go figure.
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer.


Thanks for the follow up and info.

It would seem your watch method was pretty close eh.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 09-19-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 19, 12:25 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> If going to the moon is the goal, then perhaps one might need the longer
>>> distance and time to get a more accurate picture of actual speed. It is my
>>> humble opinion -- and you should recall that humility is not my strong
>>> suit -- is that repeating several single miles gives a pretty good picture

>> You make life complicated - do the same calculation you did for one mile and
>> divide the result by 5. The reasons I usually use a longer stretch are a.
>> there is one just south of town here on the interstate and b. when you
>> drive an 87 Comanche with over 180k on the clock at 6500' elevation and a
>> 5-spd gearbox in front of 307's speed control is a tad hit or miss.<G>.
>> Turns out, my result with 235/75R15's was exactly 7% slow - enough to get
>> you a ticket in most states where the speed limit is 75. Besides, I was
>> already bored with the trip and still hadn't reached to Colorado border
>> when the destination was South Texas.
>>
>> As an aside, the highest mileage I ever got for long trips in that Comanche
>> was 27 mpg. Colorado Springs -> Abilene, TX using 5th gear (2250 RPM) and a
>> 40 kt tail wind all the way. Believe it or not, the second highest was 25.5
>> mpg CS to Billing, MT into a 35 kt wind running 4th gear and 2700 RPM all
>> the way - go figure.
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer.


Thanks for the follow up and info.

It would seem your watch method was pretty close eh.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 09-19-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 19, 12:25 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> If going to the moon is the goal, then perhaps one might need the longer
>>> distance and time to get a more accurate picture of actual speed. It is my
>>> humble opinion -- and you should recall that humility is not my strong
>>> suit -- is that repeating several single miles gives a pretty good picture

>> You make life complicated - do the same calculation you did for one mile and
>> divide the result by 5. The reasons I usually use a longer stretch are a.
>> there is one just south of town here on the interstate and b. when you
>> drive an 87 Comanche with over 180k on the clock at 6500' elevation and a
>> 5-spd gearbox in front of 307's speed control is a tad hit or miss.<G>.
>> Turns out, my result with 235/75R15's was exactly 7% slow - enough to get
>> you a ticket in most states where the speed limit is 75. Besides, I was
>> already bored with the trip and still hadn't reached to Colorado border
>> when the destination was South Texas.
>>
>> As an aside, the highest mileage I ever got for long trips in that Comanche
>> was 27 mpg. Colorado Springs -> Abilene, TX using 5th gear (2250 RPM) and a
>> 40 kt tail wind all the way. Believe it or not, the second highest was 25.5
>> mpg CS to Billing, MT into a 35 kt wind running 4th gear and 2700 RPM all
>> the way - go figure.
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>>
>> --
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>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer.


Thanks for the follow up and info.

It would seem your watch method was pretty close eh.

Mike
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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-19-2007 05:10 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Thanks.
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"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
news:1190208400.783767.159160@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-19-2007 05:10 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Thanks.
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"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
news:1190208400.783767.159160@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-19-2007 05:10 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
news:1190208400.783767.159160@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-19-2007 05:10 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
news:1190208400.783767.159160@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Well, back from the dealership. I found out my speedo was actually
> off approximately 6 mph. To my surprise, they do not change out the
> actual speedo gear anymore. It is all done by changing the tire size
> in the vehicle's computer. I also asked them to turn my steering from
> side to side in full wheel lock while it was there to see if I had any
> rubbing with the new bigger tires. According to them, I did not have
> any at all. Again to my surprise. Well, the surprises kept
> coming....I got ready to pick up my Jeep, they handed me my keys and a
> copy of the work performed and said I was "all set". So I went to the
> cashier to find out what I owed, and she told me "nothing". So, I
> saved myselft approximately $40.00 yesterday.
>
> Here's the kicker -- I took my car to a different dealership other
> than where I bought it because it was easier (and closer) for me when
> I got out of work. Plus they have evening hours for service. The
> dealership that I bought it from was going to charge me $40.00 to
> recalibrate the speedo. How do you like that? You would think it
> would have been the other way around (the place where I bought it
> wouldn't have charged me). I was literally in and out in 15 minutes.
>




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peachyracer 09-19-2007 07:07 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
c wrote:
> peachyracer > wrote:
>> c wrote:
>>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>>> c wrote:
>>>>> Tracie wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 18, 6:10 am, Old Crow <wallisc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:07 -0400, SnoMan <ad...@snoman.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:52:55 -0500, c <c...@me.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Um, your statement is quite wrong. For instance, overdrive on
>>>>>>>>> my truck
>>>>>>>>> reduces the RPM by 30% so yeah I am pretty sure my engine will
>>>>>>>>> wear out
>>>>>>>>> sooner if I choose to never use it. I will agree with you on
>>>>>>>>> the lugging
>>>>>>>>> part, especially if it causes pinging, but no, I will not sit
>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>> agree with you that my engine will last just as long turning
>>>>>>>>> 3000 RPM as
>>>>>>>>> it does turning 2100 RPM. That's insane.
>>>>>>>> Gee how did I put close to 200K and a few 4x4's 20 to 30 years ago
>>>>>>>> with 4.10 and 4.56 gears and no OD???? RPM as long as it is not
>>>>>>>> excessive (like 4000 to 5000 RPM cruises ) will not shorten life at
>>>>>>>> all. 2500 RPM or cruise for a V8 is childs play. How about a Toyota
>>>>>>>> that when 220K with a 3000 to 3500 RPM cruise and more and was
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> a quart maybe every 3500 miles then. Also true RPM drop is
>>>>>>>> determined
>>>>>>>> by OD ratio and to get a 30% drop you need a .7 (like on a 700R4 or
>>>>>>>> 4L60 or .69 on a Ally 5 speed)
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>> Hey Snow, look out! There's another dead horse. Better get your
>>>>>>> baseball bat.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!" '82 FLTC-P "Miss
>>>>>>> Pearl"
>>>>>>> '95 YJ Rio Grande BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>>>>>>> -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com-
>>>>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Chris. That was helpful. :)
>>>>>> I will just have to remember to fill my tank with 89 octane
>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>> 87. Is there much of a difference in effectiveness between the 89
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> 93 as far as pinging is concerned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the higher the octane, the more resistant to ping your Jeep
>>>>> will be, but the question remains whether or not you need 93 octane
>>>>> to do the job. If the 89 octane eliminates it, then you're good to
>>>>> go. If not, you can try a 50/50 mix of 89 and 93 or try all 93. The
>>>>> goal in the end is to get the most distance traveled with the least
>>>>> amount of money, and no engine damage. Right now where I live, 87
>>>>> and 89 are the same price for whatever reason, so I just use the 89
>>>>> octane.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>> I live just south of Green Bay, and the Kwik Trip stores around here
>>>> had 87 and 89 at the same price, but the 89 was blended with up to
>>>> 10% of that ethanol crap (imo). I don't really look at the prices
>>>> anymore; if I need gas, I buy gas. It's like milk. I have no clue
>>>> how much a gallon of milk is. I just know that when one jug runs
>>>> out, I need to buy another. I do look at ethanol content though.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, we are almost neighbors! Actually I'm an hour north of GB. My
>>> truck doesn't mind the ethanol mixed fuel like some vehicles do, so
>>> when I can get 89 octane for the same price as 87 I do. I have to pay
>>> more attention to which stations I buy my gas from. Some of it just
>>> runs like crap in my truck.
>>>
>>> Chris

>>
>> I remembered you saying you were going to northern WI to look at a
>> Jeep a while back and I told you I'd race you to it when I took my
>> kids up to Lac du Flambeau to my parents cottage. I didn't see if you
>> actually picked up the Jeep or not though.
>>
>> My stuff runs okay with the ethanol, but I buy it only when I have to.
>> I just have a philosophical problem with it, but I guess that's
>> probably for a different thread.
>>

>
> Well, the Jeep is still there, but I think I am going to pass on it at
> least for now. It is worth what the guy wants for it, but my situation
> right now tells me not to take on any new projects because I am planning
> on relocating overseas soon.
>
> Chris


I hope all works out well on that endeavor. Good luck!


--
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'84 CJ-7 with a bunch of engine mods, looks very stock from outside
'07 Commander
'94 Land Rover Defender 90 POE #1500
'04 Audi S4

peachyracer 09-19-2007 07:07 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
c wrote:
> peachyracer > wrote:
>> c wrote:
>>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>>> c wrote:
>>>>> Tracie wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 18, 6:10 am, Old Crow <wallisc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:07 -0400, SnoMan <ad...@snoman.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:52:55 -0500, c <c...@me.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Um, your statement is quite wrong. For instance, overdrive on
>>>>>>>>> my truck
>>>>>>>>> reduces the RPM by 30% so yeah I am pretty sure my engine will
>>>>>>>>> wear out
>>>>>>>>> sooner if I choose to never use it. I will agree with you on
>>>>>>>>> the lugging
>>>>>>>>> part, especially if it causes pinging, but no, I will not sit
>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>> agree with you that my engine will last just as long turning
>>>>>>>>> 3000 RPM as
>>>>>>>>> it does turning 2100 RPM. That's insane.
>>>>>>>> Gee how did I put close to 200K and a few 4x4's 20 to 30 years ago
>>>>>>>> with 4.10 and 4.56 gears and no OD???? RPM as long as it is not
>>>>>>>> excessive (like 4000 to 5000 RPM cruises ) will not shorten life at
>>>>>>>> all. 2500 RPM or cruise for a V8 is childs play. How about a Toyota
>>>>>>>> that when 220K with a 3000 to 3500 RPM cruise and more and was
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> a quart maybe every 3500 miles then. Also true RPM drop is
>>>>>>>> determined
>>>>>>>> by OD ratio and to get a 30% drop you need a .7 (like on a 700R4 or
>>>>>>>> 4L60 or .69 on a Ally 5 speed)
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>> Hey Snow, look out! There's another dead horse. Better get your
>>>>>>> baseball bat.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!" '82 FLTC-P "Miss
>>>>>>> Pearl"
>>>>>>> '95 YJ Rio Grande BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>>>>>>> -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com-
>>>>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Chris. That was helpful. :)
>>>>>> I will just have to remember to fill my tank with 89 octane
>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>> 87. Is there much of a difference in effectiveness between the 89
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> 93 as far as pinging is concerned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the higher the octane, the more resistant to ping your Jeep
>>>>> will be, but the question remains whether or not you need 93 octane
>>>>> to do the job. If the 89 octane eliminates it, then you're good to
>>>>> go. If not, you can try a 50/50 mix of 89 and 93 or try all 93. The
>>>>> goal in the end is to get the most distance traveled with the least
>>>>> amount of money, and no engine damage. Right now where I live, 87
>>>>> and 89 are the same price for whatever reason, so I just use the 89
>>>>> octane.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>> I live just south of Green Bay, and the Kwik Trip stores around here
>>>> had 87 and 89 at the same price, but the 89 was blended with up to
>>>> 10% of that ethanol crap (imo). I don't really look at the prices
>>>> anymore; if I need gas, I buy gas. It's like milk. I have no clue
>>>> how much a gallon of milk is. I just know that when one jug runs
>>>> out, I need to buy another. I do look at ethanol content though.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, we are almost neighbors! Actually I'm an hour north of GB. My
>>> truck doesn't mind the ethanol mixed fuel like some vehicles do, so
>>> when I can get 89 octane for the same price as 87 I do. I have to pay
>>> more attention to which stations I buy my gas from. Some of it just
>>> runs like crap in my truck.
>>>
>>> Chris

>>
>> I remembered you saying you were going to northern WI to look at a
>> Jeep a while back and I told you I'd race you to it when I took my
>> kids up to Lac du Flambeau to my parents cottage. I didn't see if you
>> actually picked up the Jeep or not though.
>>
>> My stuff runs okay with the ethanol, but I buy it only when I have to.
>> I just have a philosophical problem with it, but I guess that's
>> probably for a different thread.
>>

>
> Well, the Jeep is still there, but I think I am going to pass on it at
> least for now. It is worth what the guy wants for it, but my situation
> right now tells me not to take on any new projects because I am planning
> on relocating overseas soon.
>
> Chris


I hope all works out well on that endeavor. Good luck!


--
Pete
'84 CJ-7 with a bunch of engine mods, looks very stock from outside
'07 Commander
'94 Land Rover Defender 90 POE #1500
'04 Audi S4

peachyracer 09-19-2007 07:07 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
c wrote:
> peachyracer > wrote:
>> c wrote:
>>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>>> c wrote:
>>>>> Tracie wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 18, 6:10 am, Old Crow <wallisc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:07 -0400, SnoMan <ad...@snoman.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:52:55 -0500, c <c...@me.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Um, your statement is quite wrong. For instance, overdrive on
>>>>>>>>> my truck
>>>>>>>>> reduces the RPM by 30% so yeah I am pretty sure my engine will
>>>>>>>>> wear out
>>>>>>>>> sooner if I choose to never use it. I will agree with you on
>>>>>>>>> the lugging
>>>>>>>>> part, especially if it causes pinging, but no, I will not sit
>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>> agree with you that my engine will last just as long turning
>>>>>>>>> 3000 RPM as
>>>>>>>>> it does turning 2100 RPM. That's insane.
>>>>>>>> Gee how did I put close to 200K and a few 4x4's 20 to 30 years ago
>>>>>>>> with 4.10 and 4.56 gears and no OD???? RPM as long as it is not
>>>>>>>> excessive (like 4000 to 5000 RPM cruises ) will not shorten life at
>>>>>>>> all. 2500 RPM or cruise for a V8 is childs play. How about a Toyota
>>>>>>>> that when 220K with a 3000 to 3500 RPM cruise and more and was
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> a quart maybe every 3500 miles then. Also true RPM drop is
>>>>>>>> determined
>>>>>>>> by OD ratio and to get a 30% drop you need a .7 (like on a 700R4 or
>>>>>>>> 4L60 or .69 on a Ally 5 speed)
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>> Hey Snow, look out! There's another dead horse. Better get your
>>>>>>> baseball bat.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!" '82 FLTC-P "Miss
>>>>>>> Pearl"
>>>>>>> '95 YJ Rio Grande BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>>>>>>> -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com-
>>>>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Chris. That was helpful. :)
>>>>>> I will just have to remember to fill my tank with 89 octane
>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>> 87. Is there much of a difference in effectiveness between the 89
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> 93 as far as pinging is concerned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the higher the octane, the more resistant to ping your Jeep
>>>>> will be, but the question remains whether or not you need 93 octane
>>>>> to do the job. If the 89 octane eliminates it, then you're good to
>>>>> go. If not, you can try a 50/50 mix of 89 and 93 or try all 93. The
>>>>> goal in the end is to get the most distance traveled with the least
>>>>> amount of money, and no engine damage. Right now where I live, 87
>>>>> and 89 are the same price for whatever reason, so I just use the 89
>>>>> octane.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>> I live just south of Green Bay, and the Kwik Trip stores around here
>>>> had 87 and 89 at the same price, but the 89 was blended with up to
>>>> 10% of that ethanol crap (imo). I don't really look at the prices
>>>> anymore; if I need gas, I buy gas. It's like milk. I have no clue
>>>> how much a gallon of milk is. I just know that when one jug runs
>>>> out, I need to buy another. I do look at ethanol content though.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, we are almost neighbors! Actually I'm an hour north of GB. My
>>> truck doesn't mind the ethanol mixed fuel like some vehicles do, so
>>> when I can get 89 octane for the same price as 87 I do. I have to pay
>>> more attention to which stations I buy my gas from. Some of it just
>>> runs like crap in my truck.
>>>
>>> Chris

>>
>> I remembered you saying you were going to northern WI to look at a
>> Jeep a while back and I told you I'd race you to it when I took my
>> kids up to Lac du Flambeau to my parents cottage. I didn't see if you
>> actually picked up the Jeep or not though.
>>
>> My stuff runs okay with the ethanol, but I buy it only when I have to.
>> I just have a philosophical problem with it, but I guess that's
>> probably for a different thread.
>>

>
> Well, the Jeep is still there, but I think I am going to pass on it at
> least for now. It is worth what the guy wants for it, but my situation
> right now tells me not to take on any new projects because I am planning
> on relocating overseas soon.
>
> Chris


I hope all works out well on that endeavor. Good luck!


--
Pete
'84 CJ-7 with a bunch of engine mods, looks very stock from outside
'07 Commander
'94 Land Rover Defender 90 POE #1500
'04 Audi S4

peachyracer 09-19-2007 07:07 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
c wrote:
> peachyracer > wrote:
>> c wrote:
>>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>>> c wrote:
>>>>> Tracie wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 18, 6:10 am, Old Crow <wallisc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:07 -0400, SnoMan <ad...@snoman.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:52:55 -0500, c <c...@me.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Um, your statement is quite wrong. For instance, overdrive on
>>>>>>>>> my truck
>>>>>>>>> reduces the RPM by 30% so yeah I am pretty sure my engine will
>>>>>>>>> wear out
>>>>>>>>> sooner if I choose to never use it. I will agree with you on
>>>>>>>>> the lugging
>>>>>>>>> part, especially if it causes pinging, but no, I will not sit
>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>> agree with you that my engine will last just as long turning
>>>>>>>>> 3000 RPM as
>>>>>>>>> it does turning 2100 RPM. That's insane.
>>>>>>>> Gee how did I put close to 200K and a few 4x4's 20 to 30 years ago
>>>>>>>> with 4.10 and 4.56 gears and no OD???? RPM as long as it is not
>>>>>>>> excessive (like 4000 to 5000 RPM cruises ) will not shorten life at
>>>>>>>> all. 2500 RPM or cruise for a V8 is childs play. How about a Toyota
>>>>>>>> that when 220K with a 3000 to 3500 RPM cruise and more and was
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> a quart maybe every 3500 miles then. Also true RPM drop is
>>>>>>>> determined
>>>>>>>> by OD ratio and to get a 30% drop you need a .7 (like on a 700R4 or
>>>>>>>> 4L60 or .69 on a Ally 5 speed)
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>> Hey Snow, look out! There's another dead horse. Better get your
>>>>>>> baseball bat.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!" '82 FLTC-P "Miss
>>>>>>> Pearl"
>>>>>>> '95 YJ Rio Grande BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>>>>>>> -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com-
>>>>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Chris. That was helpful. :)
>>>>>> I will just have to remember to fill my tank with 89 octane
>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>> 87. Is there much of a difference in effectiveness between the 89
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> 93 as far as pinging is concerned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the higher the octane, the more resistant to ping your Jeep
>>>>> will be, but the question remains whether or not you need 93 octane
>>>>> to do the job. If the 89 octane eliminates it, then you're good to
>>>>> go. If not, you can try a 50/50 mix of 89 and 93 or try all 93. The
>>>>> goal in the end is to get the most distance traveled with the least
>>>>> amount of money, and no engine damage. Right now where I live, 87
>>>>> and 89 are the same price for whatever reason, so I just use the 89
>>>>> octane.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>> I live just south of Green Bay, and the Kwik Trip stores around here
>>>> had 87 and 89 at the same price, but the 89 was blended with up to
>>>> 10% of that ethanol crap (imo). I don't really look at the prices
>>>> anymore; if I need gas, I buy gas. It's like milk. I have no clue
>>>> how much a gallon of milk is. I just know that when one jug runs
>>>> out, I need to buy another. I do look at ethanol content though.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, we are almost neighbors! Actually I'm an hour north of GB. My
>>> truck doesn't mind the ethanol mixed fuel like some vehicles do, so
>>> when I can get 89 octane for the same price as 87 I do. I have to pay
>>> more attention to which stations I buy my gas from. Some of it just
>>> runs like crap in my truck.
>>>
>>> Chris

>>
>> I remembered you saying you were going to northern WI to look at a
>> Jeep a while back and I told you I'd race you to it when I took my
>> kids up to Lac du Flambeau to my parents cottage. I didn't see if you
>> actually picked up the Jeep or not though.
>>
>> My stuff runs okay with the ethanol, but I buy it only when I have to.
>> I just have a philosophical problem with it, but I guess that's
>> probably for a different thread.
>>

>
> Well, the Jeep is still there, but I think I am going to pass on it at
> least for now. It is worth what the guy wants for it, but my situation
> right now tells me not to take on any new projects because I am planning
> on relocating overseas soon.
>
> Chris


I hope all works out well on that endeavor. Good luck!


--
Pete
'84 CJ-7 with a bunch of engine mods, looks very stock from outside
'07 Commander
'94 Land Rover Defender 90 POE #1500
'04 Audi S4

c 09-19-2007 07:21 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
peachyracer > wrote:
> c wrote:
>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>> c wrote:
>>>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>>>> c wrote:
>>>>>> Tracie wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 6:10 am, Old Crow <wallisc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:07 -0400, SnoMan <ad...@snoman.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:52:55 -0500, c <c...@me.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Um, your statement is quite wrong. For instance, overdrive on
>>>>>>>>>> my truck
>>>>>>>>>> reduces the RPM by 30% so yeah I am pretty sure my engine will
>>>>>>>>>> wear out
>>>>>>>>>> sooner if I choose to never use it. I will agree with you on
>>>>>>>>>> the lugging
>>>>>>>>>> part, especially if it causes pinging, but no, I will not sit
>>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>>> agree with you that my engine will last just as long turning
>>>>>>>>>> 3000 RPM as
>>>>>>>>>> it does turning 2100 RPM. That's insane.
>>>>>>>>> Gee how did I put close to 200K and a few 4x4's 20 to 30 years ago
>>>>>>>>> with 4.10 and 4.56 gears and no OD???? RPM as long as it is not
>>>>>>>>> excessive (like 4000 to 5000 RPM cruises ) will not shorten
>>>>>>>>> life at
>>>>>>>>> all. 2500 RPM or cruise for a V8 is childs play. How about a
>>>>>>>>> Toyota
>>>>>>>>> that when 220K with a 3000 to 3500 RPM cruise and more and was
>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>> a quart maybe every 3500 miles then. Also true RPM drop is
>>>>>>>>> determined
>>>>>>>>> by OD ratio and to get a 30% drop you need a .7 (like on a
>>>>>>>>> 700R4 or
>>>>>>>>> 4L60 or .69 on a Ally 5 speed)
>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>>> Hey Snow, look out! There's another dead horse. Better get your
>>>>>>>> baseball bat.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!" '82 FLTC-P "Miss
>>>>>>>> Pearl"
>>>>>>>> '95 YJ Rio Grande BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>>>>>>>> -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com-
>>>>>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Chris. That was helpful. :)
>>>>>>> I will just have to remember to fill my tank with 89 octane
>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>> 87. Is there much of a difference in effectiveness between the
>>>>>>> 89 and
>>>>>>> 93 as far as pinging is concerned?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the higher the octane, the more resistant to ping your Jeep
>>>>>> will be, but the question remains whether or not you need 93
>>>>>> octane to do the job. If the 89 octane eliminates it, then you're
>>>>>> good to go. If not, you can try a 50/50 mix of 89 and 93 or try
>>>>>> all 93. The goal in the end is to get the most distance traveled
>>>>>> with the least amount of money, and no engine damage. Right now
>>>>>> where I live, 87 and 89 are the same price for whatever reason, so
>>>>>> I just use the 89 octane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>> I live just south of Green Bay, and the Kwik Trip stores around
>>>>> here had 87 and 89 at the same price, but the 89 was blended with
>>>>> up to 10% of that ethanol crap (imo). I don't really look at the
>>>>> prices anymore; if I need gas, I buy gas. It's like milk. I have
>>>>> no clue how much a gallon of milk is. I just know that when one
>>>>> jug runs out, I need to buy another. I do look at ethanol content
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, we are almost neighbors! Actually I'm an hour north of GB. My
>>>> truck doesn't mind the ethanol mixed fuel like some vehicles do, so
>>>> when I can get 89 octane for the same price as 87 I do. I have to
>>>> pay more attention to which stations I buy my gas from. Some of it
>>>> just runs like crap in my truck.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>> I remembered you saying you were going to northern WI to look at a
>>> Jeep a while back and I told you I'd race you to it when I took my
>>> kids up to Lac du Flambeau to my parents cottage. I didn't see if you
>>> actually picked up the Jeep or not though.
>>>
>>> My stuff runs okay with the ethanol, but I buy it only when I have
>>> to. I just have a philosophical problem with it, but I guess that's
>>> probably for a different thread.
>>>

>>
>> Well, the Jeep is still there, but I think I am going to pass on it at
>> least for now. It is worth what the guy wants for it, but my situation
>> right now tells me not to take on any new projects because I am
>> planning on relocating overseas soon.
>>
>> Chris

>
> I hope all works out well on that endeavor. Good luck!
>
>


Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
end.

Chris

c 09-19-2007 07:21 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
peachyracer > wrote:
> c wrote:
>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>> c wrote:
>>>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>>>> c wrote:
>>>>>> Tracie wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 6:10 am, Old Crow <wallisc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:07 -0400, SnoMan <ad...@snoman.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:52:55 -0500, c <c...@me.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Um, your statement is quite wrong. For instance, overdrive on
>>>>>>>>>> my truck
>>>>>>>>>> reduces the RPM by 30% so yeah I am pretty sure my engine will
>>>>>>>>>> wear out
>>>>>>>>>> sooner if I choose to never use it. I will agree with you on
>>>>>>>>>> the lugging
>>>>>>>>>> part, especially if it causes pinging, but no, I will not sit
>>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>>> agree with you that my engine will last just as long turning
>>>>>>>>>> 3000 RPM as
>>>>>>>>>> it does turning 2100 RPM. That's insane.
>>>>>>>>> Gee how did I put close to 200K and a few 4x4's 20 to 30 years ago
>>>>>>>>> with 4.10 and 4.56 gears and no OD???? RPM as long as it is not
>>>>>>>>> excessive (like 4000 to 5000 RPM cruises ) will not shorten
>>>>>>>>> life at
>>>>>>>>> all. 2500 RPM or cruise for a V8 is childs play. How about a
>>>>>>>>> Toyota
>>>>>>>>> that when 220K with a 3000 to 3500 RPM cruise and more and was
>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>> a quart maybe every 3500 miles then. Also true RPM drop is
>>>>>>>>> determined
>>>>>>>>> by OD ratio and to get a 30% drop you need a .7 (like on a
>>>>>>>>> 700R4 or
>>>>>>>>> 4L60 or .69 on a Ally 5 speed)
>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>>> Hey Snow, look out! There's another dead horse. Better get your
>>>>>>>> baseball bat.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!" '82 FLTC-P "Miss
>>>>>>>> Pearl"
>>>>>>>> '95 YJ Rio Grande BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>>>>>>>> -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com-
>>>>>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Chris. That was helpful. :)
>>>>>>> I will just have to remember to fill my tank with 89 octane
>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>> 87. Is there much of a difference in effectiveness between the
>>>>>>> 89 and
>>>>>>> 93 as far as pinging is concerned?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the higher the octane, the more resistant to ping your Jeep
>>>>>> will be, but the question remains whether or not you need 93
>>>>>> octane to do the job. If the 89 octane eliminates it, then you're
>>>>>> good to go. If not, you can try a 50/50 mix of 89 and 93 or try
>>>>>> all 93. The goal in the end is to get the most distance traveled
>>>>>> with the least amount of money, and no engine damage. Right now
>>>>>> where I live, 87 and 89 are the same price for whatever reason, so
>>>>>> I just use the 89 octane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>> I live just south of Green Bay, and the Kwik Trip stores around
>>>>> here had 87 and 89 at the same price, but the 89 was blended with
>>>>> up to 10% of that ethanol crap (imo). I don't really look at the
>>>>> prices anymore; if I need gas, I buy gas. It's like milk. I have
>>>>> no clue how much a gallon of milk is. I just know that when one
>>>>> jug runs out, I need to buy another. I do look at ethanol content
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, we are almost neighbors! Actually I'm an hour north of GB. My
>>>> truck doesn't mind the ethanol mixed fuel like some vehicles do, so
>>>> when I can get 89 octane for the same price as 87 I do. I have to
>>>> pay more attention to which stations I buy my gas from. Some of it
>>>> just runs like crap in my truck.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>> I remembered you saying you were going to northern WI to look at a
>>> Jeep a while back and I told you I'd race you to it when I took my
>>> kids up to Lac du Flambeau to my parents cottage. I didn't see if you
>>> actually picked up the Jeep or not though.
>>>
>>> My stuff runs okay with the ethanol, but I buy it only when I have
>>> to. I just have a philosophical problem with it, but I guess that's
>>> probably for a different thread.
>>>

>>
>> Well, the Jeep is still there, but I think I am going to pass on it at
>> least for now. It is worth what the guy wants for it, but my situation
>> right now tells me not to take on any new projects because I am
>> planning on relocating overseas soon.
>>
>> Chris

>
> I hope all works out well on that endeavor. Good luck!
>
>


Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
end.

Chris

c 09-19-2007 07:21 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
peachyracer > wrote:
> c wrote:
>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>> c wrote:
>>>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>>>> c wrote:
>>>>>> Tracie wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 6:10 am, Old Crow <wallisc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:07 -0400, SnoMan <ad...@snoman.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:52:55 -0500, c <c...@me.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Um, your statement is quite wrong. For instance, overdrive on
>>>>>>>>>> my truck
>>>>>>>>>> reduces the RPM by 30% so yeah I am pretty sure my engine will
>>>>>>>>>> wear out
>>>>>>>>>> sooner if I choose to never use it. I will agree with you on
>>>>>>>>>> the lugging
>>>>>>>>>> part, especially if it causes pinging, but no, I will not sit
>>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>>> agree with you that my engine will last just as long turning
>>>>>>>>>> 3000 RPM as
>>>>>>>>>> it does turning 2100 RPM. That's insane.
>>>>>>>>> Gee how did I put close to 200K and a few 4x4's 20 to 30 years ago
>>>>>>>>> with 4.10 and 4.56 gears and no OD???? RPM as long as it is not
>>>>>>>>> excessive (like 4000 to 5000 RPM cruises ) will not shorten
>>>>>>>>> life at
>>>>>>>>> all. 2500 RPM or cruise for a V8 is childs play. How about a
>>>>>>>>> Toyota
>>>>>>>>> that when 220K with a 3000 to 3500 RPM cruise and more and was
>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>> a quart maybe every 3500 miles then. Also true RPM drop is
>>>>>>>>> determined
>>>>>>>>> by OD ratio and to get a 30% drop you need a .7 (like on a
>>>>>>>>> 700R4 or
>>>>>>>>> 4L60 or .69 on a Ally 5 speed)
>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>>> Hey Snow, look out! There's another dead horse. Better get your
>>>>>>>> baseball bat.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!" '82 FLTC-P "Miss
>>>>>>>> Pearl"
>>>>>>>> '95 YJ Rio Grande BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>>>>>>>> -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com-
>>>>>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Chris. That was helpful. :)
>>>>>>> I will just have to remember to fill my tank with 89 octane
>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>> 87. Is there much of a difference in effectiveness between the
>>>>>>> 89 and
>>>>>>> 93 as far as pinging is concerned?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the higher the octane, the more resistant to ping your Jeep
>>>>>> will be, but the question remains whether or not you need 93
>>>>>> octane to do the job. If the 89 octane eliminates it, then you're
>>>>>> good to go. If not, you can try a 50/50 mix of 89 and 93 or try
>>>>>> all 93. The goal in the end is to get the most distance traveled
>>>>>> with the least amount of money, and no engine damage. Right now
>>>>>> where I live, 87 and 89 are the same price for whatever reason, so
>>>>>> I just use the 89 octane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>> I live just south of Green Bay, and the Kwik Trip stores around
>>>>> here had 87 and 89 at the same price, but the 89 was blended with
>>>>> up to 10% of that ethanol crap (imo). I don't really look at the
>>>>> prices anymore; if I need gas, I buy gas. It's like milk. I have
>>>>> no clue how much a gallon of milk is. I just know that when one
>>>>> jug runs out, I need to buy another. I do look at ethanol content
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, we are almost neighbors! Actually I'm an hour north of GB. My
>>>> truck doesn't mind the ethanol mixed fuel like some vehicles do, so
>>>> when I can get 89 octane for the same price as 87 I do. I have to
>>>> pay more attention to which stations I buy my gas from. Some of it
>>>> just runs like crap in my truck.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>> I remembered you saying you were going to northern WI to look at a
>>> Jeep a while back and I told you I'd race you to it when I took my
>>> kids up to Lac du Flambeau to my parents cottage. I didn't see if you
>>> actually picked up the Jeep or not though.
>>>
>>> My stuff runs okay with the ethanol, but I buy it only when I have
>>> to. I just have a philosophical problem with it, but I guess that's
>>> probably for a different thread.
>>>

>>
>> Well, the Jeep is still there, but I think I am going to pass on it at
>> least for now. It is worth what the guy wants for it, but my situation
>> right now tells me not to take on any new projects because I am
>> planning on relocating overseas soon.
>>
>> Chris

>
> I hope all works out well on that endeavor. Good luck!
>
>


Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
end.

Chris

c 09-19-2007 07:21 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
peachyracer > wrote:
> c wrote:
>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>> c wrote:
>>>> peachyracer > wrote:
>>>>> c wrote:
>>>>>> Tracie wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 6:10 am, Old Crow <wallisc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:07 -0400, SnoMan <ad...@snoman.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:52:55 -0500, c <c...@me.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Um, your statement is quite wrong. For instance, overdrive on
>>>>>>>>>> my truck
>>>>>>>>>> reduces the RPM by 30% so yeah I am pretty sure my engine will
>>>>>>>>>> wear out
>>>>>>>>>> sooner if I choose to never use it. I will agree with you on
>>>>>>>>>> the lugging
>>>>>>>>>> part, especially if it causes pinging, but no, I will not sit
>>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>>> agree with you that my engine will last just as long turning
>>>>>>>>>> 3000 RPM as
>>>>>>>>>> it does turning 2100 RPM. That's insane.
>>>>>>>>> Gee how did I put close to 200K and a few 4x4's 20 to 30 years ago
>>>>>>>>> with 4.10 and 4.56 gears and no OD???? RPM as long as it is not
>>>>>>>>> excessive (like 4000 to 5000 RPM cruises ) will not shorten
>>>>>>>>> life at
>>>>>>>>> all. 2500 RPM or cruise for a V8 is childs play. How about a
>>>>>>>>> Toyota
>>>>>>>>> that when 220K with a 3000 to 3500 RPM cruise and more and was
>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>> a quart maybe every 3500 miles then. Also true RPM drop is
>>>>>>>>> determined
>>>>>>>>> by OD ratio and to get a 30% drop you need a .7 (like on a
>>>>>>>>> 700R4 or
>>>>>>>>> 4L60 or .69 on a Ally 5 speed)
>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>>> Hey Snow, look out! There's another dead horse. Better get your
>>>>>>>> baseball bat.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!" '82 FLTC-P "Miss
>>>>>>>> Pearl"
>>>>>>>> '95 YJ Rio Grande BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>>>>>>>> -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com-
>>>>>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Chris. That was helpful. :)
>>>>>>> I will just have to remember to fill my tank with 89 octane
>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>> 87. Is there much of a difference in effectiveness between the
>>>>>>> 89 and
>>>>>>> 93 as far as pinging is concerned?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the higher the octane, the more resistant to ping your Jeep
>>>>>> will be, but the question remains whether or not you need 93
>>>>>> octane to do the job. If the 89 octane eliminates it, then you're
>>>>>> good to go. If not, you can try a 50/50 mix of 89 and 93 or try
>>>>>> all 93. The goal in the end is to get the most distance traveled
>>>>>> with the least amount of money, and no engine damage. Right now
>>>>>> where I live, 87 and 89 are the same price for whatever reason, so
>>>>>> I just use the 89 octane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>> I live just south of Green Bay, and the Kwik Trip stores around
>>>>> here had 87 and 89 at the same price, but the 89 was blended with
>>>>> up to 10% of that ethanol crap (imo). I don't really look at the
>>>>> prices anymore; if I need gas, I buy gas. It's like milk. I have
>>>>> no clue how much a gallon of milk is. I just know that when one
>>>>> jug runs out, I need to buy another. I do look at ethanol content
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, we are almost neighbors! Actually I'm an hour north of GB. My
>>>> truck doesn't mind the ethanol mixed fuel like some vehicles do, so
>>>> when I can get 89 octane for the same price as 87 I do. I have to
>>>> pay more attention to which stations I buy my gas from. Some of it
>>>> just runs like crap in my truck.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>> I remembered you saying you were going to northern WI to look at a
>>> Jeep a while back and I told you I'd race you to it when I took my
>>> kids up to Lac du Flambeau to my parents cottage. I didn't see if you
>>> actually picked up the Jeep or not though.
>>>
>>> My stuff runs okay with the ethanol, but I buy it only when I have
>>> to. I just have a philosophical problem with it, but I guess that's
>>> probably for a different thread.
>>>

>>
>> Well, the Jeep is still there, but I think I am going to pass on it at
>> least for now. It is worth what the guy wants for it, but my situation
>> right now tells me not to take on any new projects because I am
>> planning on relocating overseas soon.
>>
>> Chris

>
> I hope all works out well on that endeavor. Good luck!
>
>


Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
end.

Chris

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-19-2007 08:23 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
You've never listened to the Art Bell talk show. The Philippines are
located just above the equator.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:46f1aeef$0$32531$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
> end.
>
> Chris




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-19-2007 08:23 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
You've never listened to the Art Bell talk show. The Philippines are
located just above the equator.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:46f1aeef$0$32531$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
> end.
>
> Chris




--
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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-19-2007 08:23 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
You've never listened to the Art Bell talk show. The Philippines are
located just above the equator.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:46f1aeef$0$32531$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
> end.
>
> Chris




--
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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-19-2007 08:23 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
You've never listened to the Art Bell talk show. The Philippines are
located just above the equator.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:46f1aeef$0$32531$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
> end.
>
> Chris




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Will Honea 09-19-2007 11:10 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
c wrote:

> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
> end.


My recollections of jungle survival and frequent trips to Clark AFB (before
the volcano swallowed it) tell me that rain will not be the only adjustment
you'll need. Even in the mountains around Baggio I was sweating like
furnace stoker!

--
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Will Honea 09-19-2007 11:10 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
c wrote:

> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
> end.


My recollections of jungle survival and frequent trips to Clark AFB (before
the volcano swallowed it) tell me that rain will not be the only adjustment
you'll need. Even in the mountains around Baggio I was sweating like
furnace stoker!

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Will Honea 09-19-2007 11:10 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
c wrote:

> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
> end.


My recollections of jungle survival and frequent trips to Clark AFB (before
the volcano swallowed it) tell me that rain will not be the only adjustment
you'll need. Even in the mountains around Baggio I was sweating like
furnace stoker!

--
Will Honea

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Will Honea 09-19-2007 11:10 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
c wrote:

> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
> end.


My recollections of jungle survival and frequent trips to Clark AFB (before
the volcano swallowed it) tell me that rain will not be the only adjustment
you'll need. Even in the mountains around Baggio I was sweating like
furnace stoker!

--
Will Honea

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c 09-19-2007 11:34 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Will Honea wrote:
> c wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
>> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
>> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
>> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
>> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
>> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
>> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
>> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
>> end.

>
> My recollections of jungle survival and frequent trips to Clark AFB (before
> the volcano swallowed it) tell me that rain will not be the only adjustment
> you'll need. Even in the mountains around Baggio I was sweating like
> furnace stoker!
>


I've been there a few times now. The first time the humidity hit me when
I walked out of the airport in Manila, I damn near fainted. I got used
to it after a few days though, surprisingly. Granted, I wouldn't want to
run a marathon or anything, but the pluses outweigh the minuses in my
opinion. We plan on living in Mindanao in Iligan City, in case you know
where that is. I fell in love with the place to be honest.

Chris

c 09-19-2007 11:34 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Will Honea wrote:
> c wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
>> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
>> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
>> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
>> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
>> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
>> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
>> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
>> end.

>
> My recollections of jungle survival and frequent trips to Clark AFB (before
> the volcano swallowed it) tell me that rain will not be the only adjustment
> you'll need. Even in the mountains around Baggio I was sweating like
> furnace stoker!
>


I've been there a few times now. The first time the humidity hit me when
I walked out of the airport in Manila, I damn near fainted. I got used
to it after a few days though, surprisingly. Granted, I wouldn't want to
run a marathon or anything, but the pluses outweigh the minuses in my
opinion. We plan on living in Mindanao in Iligan City, in case you know
where that is. I fell in love with the place to be honest.

Chris

c 09-19-2007 11:34 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Will Honea wrote:
> c wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
>> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
>> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
>> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
>> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
>> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
>> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
>> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
>> end.

>
> My recollections of jungle survival and frequent trips to Clark AFB (before
> the volcano swallowed it) tell me that rain will not be the only adjustment
> you'll need. Even in the mountains around Baggio I was sweating like
> furnace stoker!
>


I've been there a few times now. The first time the humidity hit me when
I walked out of the airport in Manila, I damn near fainted. I got used
to it after a few days though, surprisingly. Granted, I wouldn't want to
run a marathon or anything, but the pluses outweigh the minuses in my
opinion. We plan on living in Mindanao in Iligan City, in case you know
where that is. I fell in love with the place to be honest.

Chris

c 09-19-2007 11:34 PM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Will Honea wrote:
> c wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I am planning on moving to the Philippines where my fiancee is
>> from. I am tired of the weather here. It's too damn hot all summer and
>> too damn cold in the winter. At least there I know what the weather will
>> be like because it's pretty much the same year round, other than the
>> rainy season when it um, rains! Besides, there are so many Jeeps over
>> there and many of the body parts are still made there. It really is Jeep
>> heaven. Even the "buses" there are Jeeps. They are called Jeepneys
>> actually. Looks like a CJ or TJ from end grafted on to a school bus back
>> end.

>
> My recollections of jungle survival and frequent trips to Clark AFB (before
> the volcano swallowed it) tell me that rain will not be the only adjustment
> you'll need. Even in the mountains around Baggio I was sweating like
> furnace stoker!
>


I've been there a few times now. The first time the humidity hit me when
I walked out of the airport in Manila, I damn near fainted. I got used
to it after a few days though, surprisingly. Granted, I wouldn't want to
run a marathon or anything, but the pluses outweigh the minuses in my
opinion. We plan on living in Mindanao in Iligan City, in case you know
where that is. I fell in love with the place to be honest.

Chris

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-20-2007 02:14 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Love is blind.
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"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:46f1ea46$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> I've been there a few times now. The first time the humidity hit me when
> I walked out of the airport in Manila, I damn near fainted. I got used
> to it after a few days though, surprisingly. Granted, I wouldn't want to
> run a marathon or anything, but the pluses outweigh the minuses in my
> opinion. We plan on living in Mindanao in Iligan City, in case you know
> where that is. I fell in love with the place to be honest.
>
> Chris




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-20-2007 02:14 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Love is blind.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:46f1ea46$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> I've been there a few times now. The first time the humidity hit me when
> I walked out of the airport in Manila, I damn near fainted. I got used
> to it after a few days though, surprisingly. Granted, I wouldn't want to
> run a marathon or anything, but the pluses outweigh the minuses in my
> opinion. We plan on living in Mindanao in Iligan City, in case you know
> where that is. I fell in love with the place to be honest.
>
> Chris




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 09-20-2007 02:14 AM

Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
 
Love is blind.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:46f1ea46$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> I've been there a few times now. The first time the humidity hit me when
> I walked out of the airport in Manila, I damn near fainted. I got used
> to it after a few days though, surprisingly. Granted, I wouldn't want to
> run a marathon or anything, but the pluses outweigh the minuses in my
> opinion. We plan on living in Mindanao in Iligan City, in case you know
> where that is. I fell in love with the place to be honest.
>
> Chris




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