Re: '98 XJ Power Window lock-out switch (OP)
 

Original poster, here-
I removed the trim pieces and rolled-back the carpeting. I found no
wires anywhere under the carpet. They all appear to be routed along
the dash. This is a '98 XJ. Please correct me if I have done
something wrong. Thanks.

Jim

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:40:48 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:

>Thanks, Bill-
>Right after I walk the dog, I'll remove the mouldings and check the
>wires under the carpet. However, in the past, I have removed and
>cleaned the switch, with the effect being a temporary repair - but it
>could be coincidental, since that didn't always work. I'll let you
>know.
>
>Jim
>'98 XJ daily driver, mostly stock
>
>
>On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:24:39 -0700, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
><----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>Hi JS,
>> Others have found corrosion in the wires as the cross underneath
>>the driver's side carpet.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>lou wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, group-
>>> All of the functions operate properly from the driver's window/door
>>> lock switch. However, the lock-out button for the window has been
>>> failing, and now is totally shot - meaning that the other 3 windows
>>> can only be operated by the driver. I do not care about retaining the
>>> ability to lock-out any passengers' use of the windows, and I am too
>>> cheap to pay the dealer's price for a new switch.
>>>
>>> Question: Is it possible to simply jump a pair of wires to bypass the
>>> lock-out switch? If so, which color wires would they be?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>
>>> js

Re: '98 XJ Power Window lock-out switch (OP)
 

Original poster, here-
I removed the trim pieces and rolled-back the carpeting. I found no
wires anywhere under the carpet. They all appear to be routed along
the dash. This is a '98 XJ. Please correct me if I have done
something wrong. Thanks.

Jim

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:40:48 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:

>Thanks, Bill-
>Right after I walk the dog, I'll remove the mouldings and check the
>wires under the carpet. However, in the past, I have removed and
>cleaned the switch, with the effect being a temporary repair - but it
>could be coincidental, since that didn't always work. I'll let you
>know.
>
>Jim
>'98 XJ daily driver, mostly stock
>
>
>On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:24:39 -0700, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
><----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>Hi JS,
>> Others have found corrosion in the wires as the cross underneath
>>the driver's side carpet.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>lou wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, group-
>>> All of the functions operate properly from the driver's window/door
>>> lock switch. However, the lock-out button for the window has been
>>> failing, and now is totally shot - meaning that the other 3 windows
>>> can only be operated by the driver. I do not care about retaining the
>>> ability to lock-out any passengers' use of the windows, and I am too
>>> cheap to pay the dealer's price for a new switch.
>>>
>>> Question: Is it possible to simply jump a pair of wires to bypass the
>>> lock-out switch? If so, which color wires would they be?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>
>>> js

Re: '98 XJ Power Window lock-out switch (OP)
 

Original poster, here-
I removed the trim pieces and rolled-back the carpeting. I found no
wires anywhere under the carpet. They all appear to be routed along
the dash. This is a '98 XJ. Please correct me if I have done
something wrong. Thanks.

Jim

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:40:48 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:

>Thanks, Bill-
>Right after I walk the dog, I'll remove the mouldings and check the
>wires under the carpet. However, in the past, I have removed and
>cleaned the switch, with the effect being a temporary repair - but it
>could be coincidental, since that didn't always work. I'll let you
>know.
>
>Jim
>'98 XJ daily driver, mostly stock
>
>
>On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:24:39 -0700, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
><----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>Hi JS,
>> Others have found corrosion in the wires as the cross underneath
>>the driver's side carpet.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>lou wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, group-
>>> All of the functions operate properly from the driver's window/door
>>> lock switch. However, the lock-out button for the window has been
>>> failing, and now is totally shot - meaning that the other 3 windows
>>> can only be operated by the driver. I do not care about retaining the
>>> ability to lock-out any passengers' use of the windows, and I am too
>>> cheap to pay the dealer's price for a new switch.
>>>
>>> Question: Is it possible to simply jump a pair of wires to bypass the
>>> lock-out switch? If so, which color wires would they be?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>
>>> js

Re: '98 XJ Power Window lock-out switch (OP)
 

OP again -
I didn't mention that I have previously replaced on of the wire looms
that is routed through the driver's door, and into the kick panel.
This was to correct a shorted-out speaker wire. All wires appear to
run under the dash, from there - not beneath the carpet.

What about my original plan to join a couple of wires? Wire/stripe
colors? I'll make a tester and do it experimentally - but I thought
that someone here in the group might be able to read the wire diagrams
better than I do. Thanks.

Jim


On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:36:16 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:

>Original poster, here-
>I removed the trim pieces and rolled-back the carpeting. I found no
>wires anywhere under the carpet. They all appear to be routed along
>the dash. This is a '98 XJ. Please correct me if I have done
>something wrong. Thanks.
>
>Jim
>
>On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:40:48 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Thanks, Bill-
>>Right after I walk the dog, I'll remove the mouldings and check the
>>wires under the carpet. However, in the past, I have removed and
>>cleaned the switch, with the effect being a temporary repair - but it
>>could be coincidental, since that didn't always work. I'll let you
>>know.
>>
>>Jim
>>'98 XJ daily driver, mostly stock
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:24:39 -0700, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
>><----------@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi JS,
>>> Others have found corrosion in the wires as the cross underneath
>>>the driver's side carpet.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>lou wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello, group-
>>>> All of the functions operate properly from the driver's window/door
>>>> lock switch. However, the lock-out button for the window has been
>>>> failing, and now is totally shot - meaning that the other 3 windows
>>>> can only be operated by the driver. I do not care about retaining the
>>>> ability to lock-out any passengers' use of the windows, and I am too
>>>> cheap to pay the dealer's price for a new switch.
>>>>
>>>> Question: Is it possible to simply jump a pair of wires to bypass the
>>>> lock-out switch? If so, which color wires would they be?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>>
>>>> js

Re: '98 XJ Power Window lock-out switch (OP)
 

OP again -
I didn't mention that I have previously replaced on of the wire looms
that is routed through the driver's door, and into the kick panel.
This was to correct a shorted-out speaker wire. All wires appear to
run under the dash, from there - not beneath the carpet.

What about my original plan to join a couple of wires? Wire/stripe
colors? I'll make a tester and do it experimentally - but I thought
that someone here in the group might be able to read the wire diagrams
better than I do. Thanks.

Jim


On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:36:16 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:

>Original poster, here-
>I removed the trim pieces and rolled-back the carpeting. I found no
>wires anywhere under the carpet. They all appear to be routed along
>the dash. This is a '98 XJ. Please correct me if I have done
>something wrong. Thanks.
>
>Jim
>
>On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:40:48 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Thanks, Bill-
>>Right after I walk the dog, I'll remove the mouldings and check the
>>wires under the carpet. However, in the past, I have removed and
>>cleaned the switch, with the effect being a temporary repair - but it
>>could be coincidental, since that didn't always work. I'll let you
>>know.
>>
>>Jim
>>'98 XJ daily driver, mostly stock
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:24:39 -0700, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
>><----------@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi JS,
>>> Others have found corrosion in the wires as the cross underneath
>>>the driver's side carpet.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>lou wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello, group-
>>>> All of the functions operate properly from the driver's window/door
>>>> lock switch. However, the lock-out button for the window has been
>>>> failing, and now is totally shot - meaning that the other 3 windows
>>>> can only be operated by the driver. I do not care about retaining the
>>>> ability to lock-out any passengers' use of the windows, and I am too
>>>> cheap to pay the dealer's price for a new switch.
>>>>
>>>> Question: Is it possible to simply jump a pair of wires to bypass the
>>>> lock-out switch? If so, which color wires would they be?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>>
>>>> js

Re: '98 XJ Power Window lock-out switch (OP)
 

OP again -
I didn't mention that I have previously replaced on of the wire looms
that is routed through the driver's door, and into the kick panel.
This was to correct a shorted-out speaker wire. All wires appear to
run under the dash, from there - not beneath the carpet.

What about my original plan to join a couple of wires? Wire/stripe
colors? I'll make a tester and do it experimentally - but I thought
that someone here in the group might be able to read the wire diagrams
better than I do. Thanks.

Jim


On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:36:16 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:

>Original poster, here-
>I removed the trim pieces and rolled-back the carpeting. I found no
>wires anywhere under the carpet. They all appear to be routed along
>the dash. This is a '98 XJ. Please correct me if I have done
>something wrong. Thanks.
>
>Jim
>
>On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:40:48 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Thanks, Bill-
>>Right after I walk the dog, I'll remove the mouldings and check the
>>wires under the carpet. However, in the past, I have removed and
>>cleaned the switch, with the effect being a temporary repair - but it
>>could be coincidental, since that didn't always work. I'll let you
>>know.
>>
>>Jim
>>'98 XJ daily driver, mostly stock
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:24:39 -0700, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
>><----------@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi JS,
>>> Others have found corrosion in the wires as the cross underneath
>>>the driver's side carpet.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>lou wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello, group-
>>>> All of the functions operate properly from the driver's window/door
>>>> lock switch. However, the lock-out button for the window has been
>>>> failing, and now is totally shot - meaning that the other 3 windows
>>>> can only be operated by the driver. I do not care about retaining the
>>>> ability to lock-out any passengers' use of the windows, and I am too
>>>> cheap to pay the dealer's price for a new switch.
>>>>
>>>> Question: Is it possible to simply jump a pair of wires to bypass the
>>>> lock-out switch? If so, which color wires would they be?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>>
>>>> js

Re: '98 XJ Power Window lock-out switch (OP)
 

Hmm. Maybe by '98 they re-routed the wires so they wouldn't get soaked from
shoe runoff in the winter and corrode.

If I were you I would get a facory service manual and check the wiring
diagrams in that.

A new switch from the dealer however would be much cheaper.

"98XJ" <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1c76i2ls56imube4ds83oumkd63aoetdmg@4ax.com...
> OP again -
> I didn't mention that I have previously replaced on of the wire looms
> that is routed through the driver's door, and into the kick panel.
> This was to correct a shorted-out speaker wire. All wires appear to
> run under the dash, from there - not beneath the carpet.
>
> What about my original plan to join a couple of wires? Wire/stripe
> colors? I'll make a tester and do it experimentally - but I thought
> that someone here in the group might be able to read the wire diagrams
> better than I do. Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:36:16 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Original poster, here-
>>I removed the trim pieces and rolled-back the carpeting. I found no
>>wires anywhere under the carpet. They all appear to be routed along
>>the dash. This is a '98 XJ. Please correct me if I have done
>>something wrong. Thanks.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:40:48 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks, Bill-
>>>Right after I walk the dog, I'll remove the mouldings and check the
>>>wires under the carpet. However, in the past, I have removed and
>>>cleaned the switch, with the effect being a temporary repair - but it
>>>could be coincidental, since that didn't always work. I'll let you
>>>know.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>'98 XJ daily driver, mostly stock
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:24:39 -0700, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
>>><----------@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi JS,
>>>> Others have found corrosion in the wires as the cross underneath
>>>>the driver's side carpet.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>lou wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello, group-
>>>>> All of the functions operate properly from the driver's window/door
>>>>> lock switch. However, the lock-out button for the window has been
>>>>> failing, and now is totally shot - meaning that the other 3 windows
>>>>> can only be operated by the driver. I do not care about retaining the
>>>>> ability to lock-out any passengers' use of the windows, and I am too
>>>>> cheap to pay the dealer's price for a new switch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question: Is it possible to simply jump a pair of wires to bypass the
>>>>> lock-out switch? If so, which color wires would they be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>>>
>>>>> js
>

Re: '98 XJ Power Window lock-out switch (OP)
 

Hmm. Maybe by '98 they re-routed the wires so they wouldn't get soaked from
shoe runoff in the winter and corrode.

If I were you I would get a facory service manual and check the wiring
diagrams in that.

A new switch from the dealer however would be much cheaper.

"98XJ" <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1c76i2ls56imube4ds83oumkd63aoetdmg@4ax.com...
> OP again -
> I didn't mention that I have previously replaced on of the wire looms
> that is routed through the driver's door, and into the kick panel.
> This was to correct a shorted-out speaker wire. All wires appear to
> run under the dash, from there - not beneath the carpet.
>
> What about my original plan to join a couple of wires? Wire/stripe
> colors? I'll make a tester and do it experimentally - but I thought
> that someone here in the group might be able to read the wire diagrams
> better than I do. Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:36:16 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Original poster, here-
>>I removed the trim pieces and rolled-back the carpeting. I found no
>>wires anywhere under the carpet. They all appear to be routed along
>>the dash. This is a '98 XJ. Please correct me if I have done
>>something wrong. Thanks.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:40:48 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks, Bill-
>>>Right after I walk the dog, I'll remove the mouldings and check the
>>>wires under the carpet. However, in the past, I have removed and
>>>cleaned the switch, with the effect being a temporary repair - but it
>>>could be coincidental, since that didn't always work. I'll let you
>>>know.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>'98 XJ daily driver, mostly stock
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:24:39 -0700, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
>>><----------@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi JS,
>>>> Others have found corrosion in the wires as the cross underneath
>>>>the driver's side carpet.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>lou wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello, group-
>>>>> All of the functions operate properly from the driver's window/door
>>>>> lock switch. However, the lock-out button for the window has been
>>>>> failing, and now is totally shot - meaning that the other 3 windows
>>>>> can only be operated by the driver. I do not care about retaining the
>>>>> ability to lock-out any passengers' use of the windows, and I am too
>>>>> cheap to pay the dealer's price for a new switch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question: Is it possible to simply jump a pair of wires to bypass the
>>>>> lock-out switch? If so, which color wires would they be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>>>
>>>>> js
>

Re: '98 XJ Power Window lock-out switch (OP)
 

Hmm. Maybe by '98 they re-routed the wires so they wouldn't get soaked from
shoe runoff in the winter and corrode.

If I were you I would get a facory service manual and check the wiring
diagrams in that.

A new switch from the dealer however would be much cheaper.

"98XJ" <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1c76i2ls56imube4ds83oumkd63aoetdmg@4ax.com...
> OP again -
> I didn't mention that I have previously replaced on of the wire looms
> that is routed through the driver's door, and into the kick panel.
> This was to correct a shorted-out speaker wire. All wires appear to
> run under the dash, from there - not beneath the carpet.
>
> What about my original plan to join a couple of wires? Wire/stripe
> colors? I'll make a tester and do it experimentally - but I thought
> that someone here in the group might be able to read the wire diagrams
> better than I do. Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:36:16 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Original poster, here-
>>I removed the trim pieces and rolled-back the carpeting. I found no
>>wires anywhere under the carpet. They all appear to be routed along
>>the dash. This is a '98 XJ. Please correct me if I have done
>>something wrong. Thanks.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:40:48 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks, Bill-
>>>Right after I walk the dog, I'll remove the mouldings and check the
>>>wires under the carpet. However, in the past, I have removed and
>>>cleaned the switch, with the effect being a temporary repair - but it
>>>could be coincidental, since that didn't always work. I'll let you
>>>know.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>'98 XJ daily driver, mostly stock
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:24:39 -0700, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
>>><----------@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi JS,
>>>> Others have found corrosion in the wires as the cross underneath
>>>>the driver's side carpet.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>lou wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello, group-
>>>>> All of the functions operate properly from the driver's window/door
>>>>> lock switch. However, the lock-out button for the window has been
>>>>> failing, and now is totally shot - meaning that the other 3 windows
>>>>> can only be operated by the driver. I do not care about retaining the
>>>>> ability to lock-out any passengers' use of the windows, and I am too
>>>>> cheap to pay the dealer's price for a new switch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question: Is it possible to simply jump a pair of wires to bypass the
>>>>> lock-out switch? If so, which color wires would they be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>>>
>>>>> js
>

Re: '98 XJ Power Window lock-out (gang) switch
 

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:04:23 -0400, lou <jjsegr@aol.com> wrote:

Thanks for the replies about checking the condition of the wires
running beneath the driner's carpet, but no wires are routed there on
my '98 XJ.

I am pretty certain that the problem is in the switch in the driver's
armrest, the push-button "childproof" window lock-out, to be
specific. The dealer quoted about $200 for a new switch. I tried
swapping-out one that I'd pulled at u-wrench-it, but it had fewer
working functions than mine (this single part contains switches for
mirrors, windows, and door locks) - but the particular window problem
was corrected.

Removing and spray-cleaning the switch used to provide a temporary
fix, but no more.

So to repeat my question, I'm just wondering whether I could either
cut one wire or jump two together at the wire loom feeding the switch
in the driver's door - to mimic the window "unlock" mode. Since
toggling the switch is supposed to supply/cut power to the other
window switches. Is anyone familiar with the particular wires that
would be involved? Otherwise, I guess it'll just be trial and error.
Thanks for any help.

js


>Hello, group-
>All of the functions operate properly from the driver's window/door
>lock switch. However, the lock-out button for the window has been
>failing, and now is totally shot - meaning that the other 3 windows
>can only be operated by the driver. I do not care about retaining the
>ability to lock-out any passengers' use of the windows, and I am too
>cheap to pay the dealer's price for a new switch.
>
>Question: Is it possible to simply jump a pair of wires to bypass the
>lock-out switch? If so, which color wires would they be?
>
>Thanks in advance for any replies.
>
>js