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Re: 97 TJ/SE - New owner problems
Hi Jerry,
It was done summer '04. I took the head to a local machine shop. They did the cleaning and even milled down the head (a little warped). I bought the upper engine seal kit from O'Rielly for about $70. It came with the valve seals that I just gave the machine shop. The machine shop charged $150. I took the head off myself. It was not that hard, however, be sure to label all your wires at both ends. I was told by mechanics in the industry not to pay over $200 for a valve job. The reason I did it was the following: I had just purchased the jeep (used with 97000) and after about 200 miles the check engine light came on. I had a local shop look at it and they indicated I had about 70~90psi in the cylinder closest to the front bumper, all the others were fine. They quoted me about 1,500~1,700 for a valve job. I told them to button it up and I would think about it. I went out and purchased a compression gauge and started reseach on what it would take for me to do this. The last time I went this deep into an engine was High School shop class, about 30 years ago, and that was a 1 cylinder engine. It was not really a big deal to change it out and it worked the first time I put it all back together. good luck, paul 97TJ 4.0L "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message news:gzgBd.2742$232.1696@fed1read05... > Paul, what'd your valve job cost you? And what symptoms were you having > that led you to have it done? I know my valve seats are shot from how my > '97 TJ's 4.0L engine is starting to stumble and get more and more '43' > codes. I just got a quote of $413 for the work on the head itself which > includes new hardened intake and exhaust seats. > > Jerry > > pbarton wrote: >> Hi Sausage Cat, >> Congrads, I own a 97 also!! I would question putting carpet in a >> jeep if you off road or mud alot....less cleaning out and you can drain >> it easier. Check the engine mounts to make sure they are alright. Check >> the Transfercase pad between the skid plate and the transfercase. How >> many miles on this jeep? Is it a standard or auto. Over Christmas I >> just put a 4 inch lift in mine, prior to that it was a valve job. I >> think next will be a shorter shaft for the transfercase and a slip yoke >> elminator (less vibrations). Oh, yes, put a tuffy console in it. >> thanks, >> paul >> >> pbarton@houston.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> >> "Sausage Cat" <SausageCat@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1104476995.883801.194530@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... >> >>>Thank You all for the advice. Now I need some product recommendation: >>> >>>Carpet >>> >>>PROLINE CARPET SET TJ-CHARCOAL 66013 >>>or >>>DELUXE CARPET SET 97+ TJ GRAY 79702-15 >>>Thank You. >>> >>>Sausage Cat >>>97 Jeep TJ/SE >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Jerry Bransford > PP-ASEL N6TAY > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: 97 TJ/SE - New owner problems
Hi Jerry,
It was done summer '04. I took the head to a local machine shop. They did the cleaning and even milled down the head (a little warped). I bought the upper engine seal kit from O'Rielly for about $70. It came with the valve seals that I just gave the machine shop. The machine shop charged $150. I took the head off myself. It was not that hard, however, be sure to label all your wires at both ends. I was told by mechanics in the industry not to pay over $200 for a valve job. The reason I did it was the following: I had just purchased the jeep (used with 97000) and after about 200 miles the check engine light came on. I had a local shop look at it and they indicated I had about 70~90psi in the cylinder closest to the front bumper, all the others were fine. They quoted me about 1,500~1,700 for a valve job. I told them to button it up and I would think about it. I went out and purchased a compression gauge and started reseach on what it would take for me to do this. The last time I went this deep into an engine was High School shop class, about 30 years ago, and that was a 1 cylinder engine. It was not really a big deal to change it out and it worked the first time I put it all back together. good luck, paul 97TJ 4.0L "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message news:gzgBd.2742$232.1696@fed1read05... > Paul, what'd your valve job cost you? And what symptoms were you having > that led you to have it done? I know my valve seats are shot from how my > '97 TJ's 4.0L engine is starting to stumble and get more and more '43' > codes. I just got a quote of $413 for the work on the head itself which > includes new hardened intake and exhaust seats. > > Jerry > > pbarton wrote: >> Hi Sausage Cat, >> Congrads, I own a 97 also!! I would question putting carpet in a >> jeep if you off road or mud alot....less cleaning out and you can drain >> it easier. Check the engine mounts to make sure they are alright. Check >> the Transfercase pad between the skid plate and the transfercase. How >> many miles on this jeep? Is it a standard or auto. Over Christmas I >> just put a 4 inch lift in mine, prior to that it was a valve job. I >> think next will be a shorter shaft for the transfercase and a slip yoke >> elminator (less vibrations). Oh, yes, put a tuffy console in it. >> thanks, >> paul >> >> pbarton@houston.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> >> "Sausage Cat" <SausageCat@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1104476995.883801.194530@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... >> >>>Thank You all for the advice. Now I need some product recommendation: >>> >>>Carpet >>> >>>PROLINE CARPET SET TJ-CHARCOAL 66013 >>>or >>>DELUXE CARPET SET 97+ TJ GRAY 79702-15 >>>Thank You. >>> >>>Sausage Cat >>>97 Jeep TJ/SE >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Jerry Bransford > PP-ASEL N6TAY > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: 97 TJ/SE - New owner problems
Thanks Paul, that was great information. Sheesh, I will look at how I
can get the valve work done for less $$$ after hearing what you paid for yours. A friend of mine who is in the auto biz as well paid about what I was planning on paying the machine shop, not sure why my price quote was so much higher... but I'll sure shop around a little more now. Thanks! Jerry pbarton wrote: > Hi Jerry, > It was done summer '04. I took the head to a local machine shop. They > did the cleaning and even milled down the head (a little warped). I bought > the upper engine seal kit from O'Rielly for about $70. It came with the > valve seals that I just gave the machine shop. The machine shop charged > $150. I took the head off myself. It was not that hard, however, be sure > to label all your wires at both ends. I was told by mechanics in the > industry not to pay over $200 for a valve job. > The reason I did it was the following: > I had just purchased the jeep (used with 97000) and after about 200 > miles the check engine light came on. I had a local shop look at it and > they indicated I had about 70~90psi in the cylinder closest to the front > bumper, all the others were fine. They quoted me about 1,500~1,700 for a > valve job. I told them to button it up and I would think about it. I went > out and purchased a compression gauge and started reseach on what it would > take for me to do this. The last time I went this deep into an engine was > High School shop class, about 30 years ago, and that was a 1 cylinder > engine. It was not really a big deal to change it out and it worked the > first time I put it all back together. > > good luck, > > paul > 97TJ 4.0L > > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message > news:gzgBd.2742$232.1696@fed1read05... > >>Paul, what'd your valve job cost you? And what symptoms were you having >>that led you to have it done? I know my valve seats are shot from how my >>'97 TJ's 4.0L engine is starting to stumble and get more and more '43' >>codes. I just got a quote of $413 for the work on the head itself which >>includes new hardened intake and exhaust seats. >> >>Jerry >> >>pbarton wrote: >> >>>Hi Sausage Cat, >>> Congrads, I own a 97 also!! I would question putting carpet in a >>>jeep if you off road or mud alot....less cleaning out and you can drain >>>it easier. Check the engine mounts to make sure they are alright. Check >>>the Transfercase pad between the skid plate and the transfercase. How >>>many miles on this jeep? Is it a standard or auto. Over Christmas I >>>just put a 4 inch lift in mine, prior to that it was a valve job. I >>>think next will be a shorter shaft for the transfercase and a slip yoke >>>elminator (less vibrations). Oh, yes, put a tuffy console in it. >>>thanks, >>> paul >>> >>>pbarton@houston.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"Sausage Cat" <SausageCat@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:1104476995.883801.194530@z14g2000cwz.googl egroups.com... >>> >>> >>>>Thank You all for the advice. Now I need some product recommendation: >>>> >>>>Carpet >>>> >>>>PROLINE CARPET SET TJ-CHARCOAL 66013 >>>>or >>>>DELUXE CARPET SET 97+ TJ GRAY 79702-15 >>>>Thank You. >>>> >>>>Sausage Cat >>>>97 Jeep TJ/SE >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Jerry Bransford >>PP-ASEL N6TAY >>See the Geezer Jeep at >>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > > > -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: 97 TJ/SE - New owner problems
Thanks Paul, that was great information. Sheesh, I will look at how I
can get the valve work done for less $$$ after hearing what you paid for yours. A friend of mine who is in the auto biz as well paid about what I was planning on paying the machine shop, not sure why my price quote was so much higher... but I'll sure shop around a little more now. Thanks! Jerry pbarton wrote: > Hi Jerry, > It was done summer '04. I took the head to a local machine shop. They > did the cleaning and even milled down the head (a little warped). I bought > the upper engine seal kit from O'Rielly for about $70. It came with the > valve seals that I just gave the machine shop. The machine shop charged > $150. I took the head off myself. It was not that hard, however, be sure > to label all your wires at both ends. I was told by mechanics in the > industry not to pay over $200 for a valve job. > The reason I did it was the following: > I had just purchased the jeep (used with 97000) and after about 200 > miles the check engine light came on. I had a local shop look at it and > they indicated I had about 70~90psi in the cylinder closest to the front > bumper, all the others were fine. They quoted me about 1,500~1,700 for a > valve job. I told them to button it up and I would think about it. I went > out and purchased a compression gauge and started reseach on what it would > take for me to do this. The last time I went this deep into an engine was > High School shop class, about 30 years ago, and that was a 1 cylinder > engine. It was not really a big deal to change it out and it worked the > first time I put it all back together. > > good luck, > > paul > 97TJ 4.0L > > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message > news:gzgBd.2742$232.1696@fed1read05... > >>Paul, what'd your valve job cost you? And what symptoms were you having >>that led you to have it done? I know my valve seats are shot from how my >>'97 TJ's 4.0L engine is starting to stumble and get more and more '43' >>codes. I just got a quote of $413 for the work on the head itself which >>includes new hardened intake and exhaust seats. >> >>Jerry >> >>pbarton wrote: >> >>>Hi Sausage Cat, >>> Congrads, I own a 97 also!! I would question putting carpet in a >>>jeep if you off road or mud alot....less cleaning out and you can drain >>>it easier. Check the engine mounts to make sure they are alright. Check >>>the Transfercase pad between the skid plate and the transfercase. How >>>many miles on this jeep? Is it a standard or auto. Over Christmas I >>>just put a 4 inch lift in mine, prior to that it was a valve job. I >>>think next will be a shorter shaft for the transfercase and a slip yoke >>>elminator (less vibrations). Oh, yes, put a tuffy console in it. >>>thanks, >>> paul >>> >>>pbarton@houston.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"Sausage Cat" <SausageCat@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:1104476995.883801.194530@z14g2000cwz.googl egroups.com... >>> >>> >>>>Thank You all for the advice. Now I need some product recommendation: >>>> >>>>Carpet >>>> >>>>PROLINE CARPET SET TJ-CHARCOAL 66013 >>>>or >>>>DELUXE CARPET SET 97+ TJ GRAY 79702-15 >>>>Thank You. >>>> >>>>Sausage Cat >>>>97 Jeep TJ/SE >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Jerry Bransford >>PP-ASEL N6TAY >>See the Geezer Jeep at >>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > > > -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: 97 TJ/SE - New owner problems
Thanks Paul, that was great information. Sheesh, I will look at how I
can get the valve work done for less $$$ after hearing what you paid for yours. A friend of mine who is in the auto biz as well paid about what I was planning on paying the machine shop, not sure why my price quote was so much higher... but I'll sure shop around a little more now. Thanks! Jerry pbarton wrote: > Hi Jerry, > It was done summer '04. I took the head to a local machine shop. They > did the cleaning and even milled down the head (a little warped). I bought > the upper engine seal kit from O'Rielly for about $70. It came with the > valve seals that I just gave the machine shop. The machine shop charged > $150. I took the head off myself. It was not that hard, however, be sure > to label all your wires at both ends. I was told by mechanics in the > industry not to pay over $200 for a valve job. > The reason I did it was the following: > I had just purchased the jeep (used with 97000) and after about 200 > miles the check engine light came on. I had a local shop look at it and > they indicated I had about 70~90psi in the cylinder closest to the front > bumper, all the others were fine. They quoted me about 1,500~1,700 for a > valve job. I told them to button it up and I would think about it. I went > out and purchased a compression gauge and started reseach on what it would > take for me to do this. The last time I went this deep into an engine was > High School shop class, about 30 years ago, and that was a 1 cylinder > engine. It was not really a big deal to change it out and it worked the > first time I put it all back together. > > good luck, > > paul > 97TJ 4.0L > > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message > news:gzgBd.2742$232.1696@fed1read05... > >>Paul, what'd your valve job cost you? And what symptoms were you having >>that led you to have it done? I know my valve seats are shot from how my >>'97 TJ's 4.0L engine is starting to stumble and get more and more '43' >>codes. I just got a quote of $413 for the work on the head itself which >>includes new hardened intake and exhaust seats. >> >>Jerry >> >>pbarton wrote: >> >>>Hi Sausage Cat, >>> Congrads, I own a 97 also!! I would question putting carpet in a >>>jeep if you off road or mud alot....less cleaning out and you can drain >>>it easier. Check the engine mounts to make sure they are alright. Check >>>the Transfercase pad between the skid plate and the transfercase. How >>>many miles on this jeep? Is it a standard or auto. Over Christmas I >>>just put a 4 inch lift in mine, prior to that it was a valve job. I >>>think next will be a shorter shaft for the transfercase and a slip yoke >>>elminator (less vibrations). Oh, yes, put a tuffy console in it. >>>thanks, >>> paul >>> >>>pbarton@houston.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"Sausage Cat" <SausageCat@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:1104476995.883801.194530@z14g2000cwz.googl egroups.com... >>> >>> >>>>Thank You all for the advice. Now I need some product recommendation: >>>> >>>>Carpet >>>> >>>>PROLINE CARPET SET TJ-CHARCOAL 66013 >>>>or >>>>DELUXE CARPET SET 97+ TJ GRAY 79702-15 >>>>Thank You. >>>> >>>>Sausage Cat >>>>97 Jeep TJ/SE >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Jerry Bransford >>PP-ASEL N6TAY >>See the Geezer Jeep at >>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > > > -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: 97 TJ/SE - New owner problems
You should be getting more than adequate heat even in the coldest weather.
I have a 99TJ 2.5L engine and soft top and I keep warm in the coldest weather up here in North Dakota. After it warms up I usually have the heater on the 2nd setting. You might want to have someone check the temperature of the air coming out of your heat vents. A knowledgable mechanic will know about how hot it should be. Larry Greenwood "Sausage Cat" <SausageCat@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1104423255.262102.213530@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... > Hi, I've got my Jeep 2 weeks ago. It is 97 TJ/SE. Since then I was > experiencing some minor problems that I can't solve. > > Heating system - I have big problem with warming my car when in floor > heating position. It is blowing alright, and its hot air too, but my > legs and knees are cold. Maybe it is the carpet I'am missing (previous > owner removed whole carpet for some reason). > > Do you have any recomendation how to make your TJ warmer from the floor > up? > > Do you have any recommendation about the carpet? factory original or > one piece replacement carpet? > > "Clonking" noise when driving off-road - Location unknown... but it > seams to be somewhere in the engine compartment, i can feel it threw > the floor (no carpet). > > Is it common th hear these sounds from the engine compartment? > > Taking care of the rubber - Door rubber seal, rear rubber seal. I was > using glycerine but the last couple of days the temperature is way > below -20C and the rubber is freezing to the doors. > > Do you have any suggestions about the rubber conservation? > Thank You! > > Sausage Dog > 97 Jeep TJ/SE > amo@criticalmass.com > |
Re: 97 TJ/SE - New owner problems
You should be getting more than adequate heat even in the coldest weather.
I have a 99TJ 2.5L engine and soft top and I keep warm in the coldest weather up here in North Dakota. After it warms up I usually have the heater on the 2nd setting. You might want to have someone check the temperature of the air coming out of your heat vents. A knowledgable mechanic will know about how hot it should be. Larry Greenwood "Sausage Cat" <SausageCat@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1104423255.262102.213530@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... > Hi, I've got my Jeep 2 weeks ago. It is 97 TJ/SE. Since then I was > experiencing some minor problems that I can't solve. > > Heating system - I have big problem with warming my car when in floor > heating position. It is blowing alright, and its hot air too, but my > legs and knees are cold. Maybe it is the carpet I'am missing (previous > owner removed whole carpet for some reason). > > Do you have any recomendation how to make your TJ warmer from the floor > up? > > Do you have any recommendation about the carpet? factory original or > one piece replacement carpet? > > "Clonking" noise when driving off-road - Location unknown... but it > seams to be somewhere in the engine compartment, i can feel it threw > the floor (no carpet). > > Is it common th hear these sounds from the engine compartment? > > Taking care of the rubber - Door rubber seal, rear rubber seal. I was > using glycerine but the last couple of days the temperature is way > below -20C and the rubber is freezing to the doors. > > Do you have any suggestions about the rubber conservation? > Thank You! > > Sausage Dog > 97 Jeep TJ/SE > amo@criticalmass.com > |
Re: 97 TJ/SE - New owner problems
You should be getting more than adequate heat even in the coldest weather.
I have a 99TJ 2.5L engine and soft top and I keep warm in the coldest weather up here in North Dakota. After it warms up I usually have the heater on the 2nd setting. You might want to have someone check the temperature of the air coming out of your heat vents. A knowledgable mechanic will know about how hot it should be. Larry Greenwood "Sausage Cat" <SausageCat@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1104423255.262102.213530@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... > Hi, I've got my Jeep 2 weeks ago. It is 97 TJ/SE. Since then I was > experiencing some minor problems that I can't solve. > > Heating system - I have big problem with warming my car when in floor > heating position. It is blowing alright, and its hot air too, but my > legs and knees are cold. Maybe it is the carpet I'am missing (previous > owner removed whole carpet for some reason). > > Do you have any recomendation how to make your TJ warmer from the floor > up? > > Do you have any recommendation about the carpet? factory original or > one piece replacement carpet? > > "Clonking" noise when driving off-road - Location unknown... but it > seams to be somewhere in the engine compartment, i can feel it threw > the floor (no carpet). > > Is it common th hear these sounds from the engine compartment? > > Taking care of the rubber - Door rubber seal, rear rubber seal. I was > using glycerine but the last couple of days the temperature is way > below -20C and the rubber is freezing to the doors. > > Do you have any suggestions about the rubber conservation? > Thank You! > > Sausage Dog > 97 Jeep TJ/SE > amo@criticalmass.com > |
Re: 97 TJ/SE - New owner problems
Spent a couple of winters in Nebraska with my 99 TJ 2.5L with a soft top.
Kept me nice and toasty. I'm sure full doors helped keep some of the heat in -- but it does lose heat a lot faster due to the soft top when just sitting outside. Eric "Larry Greenwood" <greenwoo@misu.nodak.edu> wrote in message news:33ri0jF40v6ruU1@individual.net... > You should be getting more than adequate heat even in the coldest weather. > I have a 99TJ 2.5L engine and soft top and I keep warm in the coldest > weather up here in North Dakota. After it warms up I usually have the > heater on the 2nd setting. You might want to have someone check the > temperature of the air coming out of your heat vents. A knowledgable > mechanic will know about how hot it should be. > > Larry Greenwood > > > "Sausage Cat" <SausageCat@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1104423255.262102.213530@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... >> Hi, I've got my Jeep 2 weeks ago. It is 97 TJ/SE. Since then I was >> experiencing some minor problems that I can't solve. >> >> Heating system - I have big problem with warming my car when in floor >> heating position. It is blowing alright, and its hot air too, but my >> legs and knees are cold. Maybe it is the carpet I'am missing (previous >> owner removed whole carpet for some reason). >> >> Do you have any recomendation how to make your TJ warmer from the floor >> up? >> >> Do you have any recommendation about the carpet? factory original or >> one piece replacement carpet? >> >> "Clonking" noise when driving off-road - Location unknown... but it >> seams to be somewhere in the engine compartment, i can feel it threw >> the floor (no carpet). >> >> Is it common th hear these sounds from the engine compartment? >> >> Taking care of the rubber - Door rubber seal, rear rubber seal. I was >> using glycerine but the last couple of days the temperature is way >> below -20C and the rubber is freezing to the doors. >> >> Do you have any suggestions about the rubber conservation? >> Thank You! >> >> Sausage Dog >> 97 Jeep TJ/SE >> amo@criticalmass.com >> > > |
Re: 97 TJ/SE - New owner problems
Spent a couple of winters in Nebraska with my 99 TJ 2.5L with a soft top.
Kept me nice and toasty. I'm sure full doors helped keep some of the heat in -- but it does lose heat a lot faster due to the soft top when just sitting outside. Eric "Larry Greenwood" <greenwoo@misu.nodak.edu> wrote in message news:33ri0jF40v6ruU1@individual.net... > You should be getting more than adequate heat even in the coldest weather. > I have a 99TJ 2.5L engine and soft top and I keep warm in the coldest > weather up here in North Dakota. After it warms up I usually have the > heater on the 2nd setting. You might want to have someone check the > temperature of the air coming out of your heat vents. A knowledgable > mechanic will know about how hot it should be. > > Larry Greenwood > > > "Sausage Cat" <SausageCat@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1104423255.262102.213530@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... >> Hi, I've got my Jeep 2 weeks ago. It is 97 TJ/SE. Since then I was >> experiencing some minor problems that I can't solve. >> >> Heating system - I have big problem with warming my car when in floor >> heating position. It is blowing alright, and its hot air too, but my >> legs and knees are cold. Maybe it is the carpet I'am missing (previous >> owner removed whole carpet for some reason). >> >> Do you have any recomendation how to make your TJ warmer from the floor >> up? >> >> Do you have any recommendation about the carpet? factory original or >> one piece replacement carpet? >> >> "Clonking" noise when driving off-road - Location unknown... but it >> seams to be somewhere in the engine compartment, i can feel it threw >> the floor (no carpet). >> >> Is it common th hear these sounds from the engine compartment? >> >> Taking care of the rubber - Door rubber seal, rear rubber seal. I was >> using glycerine but the last couple of days the temperature is way >> below -20C and the rubber is freezing to the doors. >> >> Do you have any suggestions about the rubber conservation? >> Thank You! >> >> Sausage Dog >> 97 Jeep TJ/SE >> amo@criticalmass.com >> > > |
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