86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Replaced in chronological order:
Plugs
Ujoints
Clutch Master Cylinder
Cap
Rotor
Wires
Muffler
Catalytic Converter
Tailpipe

Prior to doing all of these things, this 4 cylinder 2.5 liter Jeep all of a
sudden started running really rough. It obviously needed ujoints, muffler
etc., and clutch master in order to drive it at all, and the rest of the
stuff I did in an attempt to cure the rough running.

Today after the muffler job, I stopped by a shop and asked for an opinion.

One of the mechs took the time to pull the plug wires off each plug one by
one...

Here's what happened:

Forward cylinder:
Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.

Second cylinder from front:
Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.

Third cylinder from front:
Engine did not slow down at all when wire pulled off plug.

Rear cylinder near firewall:
Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.

So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
nothing.

Any ideas on what's up?
Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.

--
Skip

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Do a compression check:
http://www.georgiazclub.com/tips/ztech/comptest.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Skip wrote:
>
> Replaced in chronological order:
> Plugs
> Ujoints
> Clutch Master Cylinder
> Cap
> Rotor
> Wires
> Muffler
> Catalytic Converter
> Tailpipe
>
> Prior to doing all of these things, this 4 cylinder 2.5 liter Jeep all of a
> sudden started running really rough. It obviously needed ujoints, muffler
> etc., and clutch master in order to drive it at all, and the rest of the
> stuff I did in an attempt to cure the rough running.
>
> Today after the muffler job, I stopped by a shop and asked for an opinion.
>
> One of the mechs took the time to pull the plug wires off each plug one by
> one...
>
> Here's what happened:
>
> Forward cylinder:
> Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
>
> Second cylinder from front:
> Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
>
> Third cylinder from front:
> Engine did not slow down at all when wire pulled off plug.
>
> Rear cylinder near firewall:
> Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
>
> So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> nothing.
>
> Any ideas on what's up?
> Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
>
> --
> Skip

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Do a compression check:
http://www.georgiazclub.com/tips/ztech/comptest.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Skip wrote:
>
> Replaced in chronological order:
> Plugs
> Ujoints
> Clutch Master Cylinder
> Cap
> Rotor
> Wires
> Muffler
> Catalytic Converter
> Tailpipe
>
> Prior to doing all of these things, this 4 cylinder 2.5 liter Jeep all of a
> sudden started running really rough. It obviously needed ujoints, muffler
> etc., and clutch master in order to drive it at all, and the rest of the
> stuff I did in an attempt to cure the rough running.
>
> Today after the muffler job, I stopped by a shop and asked for an opinion.
>
> One of the mechs took the time to pull the plug wires off each plug one by
> one...
>
> Here's what happened:
>
> Forward cylinder:
> Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
>
> Second cylinder from front:
> Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
>
> Third cylinder from front:
> Engine did not slow down at all when wire pulled off plug.
>
> Rear cylinder near firewall:
> Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
>
> So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> nothing.
>
> Any ideas on what's up?
> Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
>
> --
> Skip

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Do a compression check:
http://www.georgiazclub.com/tips/ztech/comptest.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Skip wrote:
>
> Replaced in chronological order:
> Plugs
> Ujoints
> Clutch Master Cylinder
> Cap
> Rotor
> Wires
> Muffler
> Catalytic Converter
> Tailpipe
>
> Prior to doing all of these things, this 4 cylinder 2.5 liter Jeep all of a
> sudden started running really rough. It obviously needed ujoints, muffler
> etc., and clutch master in order to drive it at all, and the rest of the
> stuff I did in an attempt to cure the rough running.
>
> Today after the muffler job, I stopped by a shop and asked for an opinion.
>
> One of the mechs took the time to pull the plug wires off each plug one by
> one...
>
> Here's what happened:
>
> Forward cylinder:
> Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
>
> Second cylinder from front:
> Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
>
> Third cylinder from front:
> Engine did not slow down at all when wire pulled off plug.
>
> Rear cylinder near firewall:
> Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
>
> So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> nothing.
>
> Any ideas on what's up?
> Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
>
> --
> Skip

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Skip did pass the time by typing:

> So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> nothing.

Correct

> Any ideas on what's up?
> Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.

Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.

If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
dipstick tube.

Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.

First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
lots of blowby and real dirty oil.

Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..

--
DougW

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Skip did pass the time by typing:

> So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> nothing.

Correct

> Any ideas on what's up?
> Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.

Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.

If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
dipstick tube.

Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.

First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
lots of blowby and real dirty oil.

Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..

--
DougW

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Skip did pass the time by typing:

> So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> nothing.

Correct

> Any ideas on what's up?
> Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.

Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.

If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
dipstick tube.

Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.

First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
lots of blowby and real dirty oil.

Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..

--
DougW

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Collapsed lifter won't cause it to miss. It will cause the valve train to
clatter away but will still open the valve enough for the cyl to contribute.
Hydraulic lifter just takes up the slack, doesn't contribute to the opening.
Collapsed lifter first complaint would have been the noise. Broken valve
spring will cause a miss, but it's pretty uncommon. Comp test first order of
business.
Steve
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> Skip did pass the time by typing:
>
> > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > nothing.
>
> Correct
>
> > Any ideas on what's up?
> > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
>
> Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
>
> If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> dipstick tube.
>
> Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
>
> First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
>
> Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Collapsed lifter won't cause it to miss. It will cause the valve train to
clatter away but will still open the valve enough for the cyl to contribute.
Hydraulic lifter just takes up the slack, doesn't contribute to the opening.
Collapsed lifter first complaint would have been the noise. Broken valve
spring will cause a miss, but it's pretty uncommon. Comp test first order of
business.
Steve
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> Skip did pass the time by typing:
>
> > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > nothing.
>
> Correct
>
> > Any ideas on what's up?
> > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
>
> Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
>
> If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> dipstick tube.
>
> Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
>
> First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
>
> Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Collapsed lifter won't cause it to miss. It will cause the valve train to
clatter away but will still open the valve enough for the cyl to contribute.
Hydraulic lifter just takes up the slack, doesn't contribute to the opening.
Collapsed lifter first complaint would have been the noise. Broken valve
spring will cause a miss, but it's pretty uncommon. Comp test first order of
business.
Steve
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> Skip did pass the time by typing:
>
> > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > nothing.
>
> Correct
>
> > Any ideas on what's up?
> > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
>
> Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
>
> If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> dipstick tube.
>
> Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
>
> First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
>
> Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Got the throttle body fuel injection here...
Lifter or busted spring sounds plausible...
Can I pull the valve cover and not blow oil all over?

--
Skip


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> Skip did pass the time by typing:
>
> > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > nothing.
>
> Correct
>
> > Any ideas on what's up?
> > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
>
> Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
>
> If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> dipstick tube.
>
> Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
>
> First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
>
> Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Got the throttle body fuel injection here...
Lifter or busted spring sounds plausible...
Can I pull the valve cover and not blow oil all over?

--
Skip


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> Skip did pass the time by typing:
>
> > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > nothing.
>
> Correct
>
> > Any ideas on what's up?
> > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
>
> Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
>
> If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> dipstick tube.
>
> Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
>
> First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
>
> Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Got the throttle body fuel injection here...
Lifter or busted spring sounds plausible...
Can I pull the valve cover and not blow oil all over?

--
Skip


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> Skip did pass the time by typing:
>
> > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > nothing.
>
> Correct
>
> > Any ideas on what's up?
> > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
>
> Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
>
> If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> dipstick tube.
>
> Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
>
> First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
>
> Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to do
that?
And is it ok to drive it in this condition?
Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot as
far as I can tell.
Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
(maybe smoking from new muff)
Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
change sometime back
It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.

--
Skip


"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:xJ0Pb.178810$X%5.123608@pd7tw2no...
> Collapsed lifter won't cause it to miss. It will cause the valve train to
> clatter away but will still open the valve enough for the cyl to
contribute.
> Hydraulic lifter just takes up the slack, doesn't contribute to the
opening.
> Collapsed lifter first complaint would have been the noise. Broken valve
> spring will cause a miss, but it's pretty uncommon. Comp test first order
of
> business.
> Steve
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> > Skip did pass the time by typing:
> >
> > > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > > nothing.
> >
> > Correct
> >
> > > Any ideas on what's up?
> > > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
> >
> > Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> > 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
> >
> > If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> > dipstick tube.
> >
> > Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> > the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
> >
> > First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> > compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> > If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> > it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> > lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
> >
> > Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> > as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> > Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to do
that?
And is it ok to drive it in this condition?
Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot as
far as I can tell.
Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
(maybe smoking from new muff)
Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
change sometime back
It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.

--
Skip


"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:xJ0Pb.178810$X%5.123608@pd7tw2no...
> Collapsed lifter won't cause it to miss. It will cause the valve train to
> clatter away but will still open the valve enough for the cyl to
contribute.
> Hydraulic lifter just takes up the slack, doesn't contribute to the
opening.
> Collapsed lifter first complaint would have been the noise. Broken valve
> spring will cause a miss, but it's pretty uncommon. Comp test first order
of
> business.
> Steve
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> > Skip did pass the time by typing:
> >
> > > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > > nothing.
> >
> > Correct
> >
> > > Any ideas on what's up?
> > > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
> >
> > Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> > 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
> >
> > If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> > dipstick tube.
> >
> > Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> > the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
> >
> > First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> > compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> > If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> > it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> > lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
> >
> > Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> > as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> > Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to do
that?
And is it ok to drive it in this condition?
Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot as
far as I can tell.
Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
(maybe smoking from new muff)
Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
change sometime back
It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.

--
Skip


"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:xJ0Pb.178810$X%5.123608@pd7tw2no...
> Collapsed lifter won't cause it to miss. It will cause the valve train to
> clatter away but will still open the valve enough for the cyl to
contribute.
> Hydraulic lifter just takes up the slack, doesn't contribute to the
opening.
> Collapsed lifter first complaint would have been the noise. Broken valve
> spring will cause a miss, but it's pretty uncommon. Comp test first order
of
> business.
> Steve
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> > Skip did pass the time by typing:
> >
> > > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > > nothing.
> >
> > Correct
> >
> > > Any ideas on what's up?
> > > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
> >
> > Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> > 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
> >
> > If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> > dipstick tube.
> >
> > Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> > the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
> >
> > First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> > compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> > If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> > it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> > lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
> >
> > Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> > as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> > Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Bill you rock, bro... ;o)

--
Skip


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:400C95C3.696435D@cox.net...
> Do a compression check:
> http://www.georgiazclub.com/tips/ztech/comptest.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Skip wrote:
> >
> > Replaced in chronological order:
> > Plugs
> > Ujoints
> > Clutch Master Cylinder
> > Cap
> > Rotor
> > Wires
> > Muffler
> > Catalytic Converter
> > Tailpipe
> >
> > Prior to doing all of these things, this 4 cylinder 2.5 liter Jeep all
of a
> > sudden started running really rough. It obviously needed ujoints,
muffler
> > etc., and clutch master in order to drive it at all, and the rest of the
> > stuff I did in an attempt to cure the rough running.
> >
> > Today after the muffler job, I stopped by a shop and asked for an
opinion.
> >
> > One of the mechs took the time to pull the plug wires off each plug one
by
> > one...
> >
> > Here's what happened:
> >
> > Forward cylinder:
> > Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > Second cylinder from front:
> > Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > Third cylinder from front:
> > Engine did not slow down at all when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > Rear cylinder near firewall:
> > Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > nothing.
> >
> > Any ideas on what's up?
> > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
> >
> > --
> > Skip

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Bill you rock, bro... ;o)

--
Skip


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:400C95C3.696435D@cox.net...
> Do a compression check:
> http://www.georgiazclub.com/tips/ztech/comptest.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Skip wrote:
> >
> > Replaced in chronological order:
> > Plugs
> > Ujoints
> > Clutch Master Cylinder
> > Cap
> > Rotor
> > Wires
> > Muffler
> > Catalytic Converter
> > Tailpipe
> >
> > Prior to doing all of these things, this 4 cylinder 2.5 liter Jeep all
of a
> > sudden started running really rough. It obviously needed ujoints,
muffler
> > etc., and clutch master in order to drive it at all, and the rest of the
> > stuff I did in an attempt to cure the rough running.
> >
> > Today after the muffler job, I stopped by a shop and asked for an
opinion.
> >
> > One of the mechs took the time to pull the plug wires off each plug one
by
> > one...
> >
> > Here's what happened:
> >
> > Forward cylinder:
> > Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > Second cylinder from front:
> > Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > Third cylinder from front:
> > Engine did not slow down at all when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > Rear cylinder near firewall:
> > Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > nothing.
> >
> > Any ideas on what's up?
> > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
> >
> > --
> > Skip

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Bill you rock, bro... ;o)

--
Skip


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:400C95C3.696435D@cox.net...
> Do a compression check:
> http://www.georgiazclub.com/tips/ztech/comptest.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Skip wrote:
> >
> > Replaced in chronological order:
> > Plugs
> > Ujoints
> > Clutch Master Cylinder
> > Cap
> > Rotor
> > Wires
> > Muffler
> > Catalytic Converter
> > Tailpipe
> >
> > Prior to doing all of these things, this 4 cylinder 2.5 liter Jeep all
of a
> > sudden started running really rough. It obviously needed ujoints,
muffler
> > etc., and clutch master in order to drive it at all, and the rest of the
> > stuff I did in an attempt to cure the rough running.
> >
> > Today after the muffler job, I stopped by a shop and asked for an
opinion.
> >
> > One of the mechs took the time to pull the plug wires off each plug one
by
> > one...
> >
> > Here's what happened:
> >
> > Forward cylinder:
> > Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > Second cylinder from front:
> > Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > Third cylinder from front:
> > Engine did not slow down at all when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > Rear cylinder near firewall:
> > Engine slowed down when wire pulled off plug.
> >
> > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically doing
> > nothing.
> >
> > Any ideas on what's up?
> > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
> >
> > --
> > Skip

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

It's unlikely that you would do any damage driving it. You need a
compression tester to check it out any further and if you're not likely to
be doing the repair yourself you may as well have the shop that's doing the
repair confirm the diagnosis. Not a good policy to go into a shop and tell
them what's wrong, but it is good to know enough to keep from being strung
along. If it's your diagnosis and it turns out incorreft, you're liable.
If they make a mistake on the diagnosis they own part of the problem.
BTW, a bad valve spring can be hard to diagnose. The ywill often still have
enough pressure to keep the valve closed at the cranking speeds that the
comp test is done at but not when actually running. You'll show good
compression on the test but will actually be a compression problem. Almost
have to do a visual on the springs, but again, I am doubtfull about that
being your problem. Just very rare for that to occur.
Steve
<Skip> wrote in message news:bui6420246@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to
do
> that?
> And is it ok to drive it in this condition?
> Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot
as
> far as I can tell.
> Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
> I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
> May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
> (maybe smoking from new muff)
> Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
> change sometime back
> It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.
>
> --
> Skip
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:xJ0Pb.178810$X%5.123608@pd7tw2no...
> > Collapsed lifter won't cause it to miss. It will cause the valve train
to
> > clatter away but will still open the valve enough for the cyl to
> contribute.
> > Hydraulic lifter just takes up the slack, doesn't contribute to the
> opening.
> > Collapsed lifter first complaint would have been the noise. Broken valve
> > spring will cause a miss, but it's pretty uncommon. Comp test first
order
> of
> > business.
> > Steve
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> > > Skip did pass the time by typing:
> > >
> > > > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically
doing
> > > > nothing.
> > >
> > > Correct
> > >
> > > > Any ideas on what's up?
> > > > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
> > >
> > > Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> > > 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
> > >
> > > If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> > > dipstick tube.
> > >
> > > Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> > > the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
> > >
> > > First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> > > compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> > > If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> > > it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> > > lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
> > >
> > > Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> > > as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> > > Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
> > >
> > > --
> > > DougW
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

It's unlikely that you would do any damage driving it. You need a
compression tester to check it out any further and if you're not likely to
be doing the repair yourself you may as well have the shop that's doing the
repair confirm the diagnosis. Not a good policy to go into a shop and tell
them what's wrong, but it is good to know enough to keep from being strung
along. If it's your diagnosis and it turns out incorreft, you're liable.
If they make a mistake on the diagnosis they own part of the problem.
BTW, a bad valve spring can be hard to diagnose. The ywill often still have
enough pressure to keep the valve closed at the cranking speeds that the
comp test is done at but not when actually running. You'll show good
compression on the test but will actually be a compression problem. Almost
have to do a visual on the springs, but again, I am doubtfull about that
being your problem. Just very rare for that to occur.
Steve
<Skip> wrote in message news:bui6420246@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to
do
> that?
> And is it ok to drive it in this condition?
> Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot
as
> far as I can tell.
> Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
> I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
> May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
> (maybe smoking from new muff)
> Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
> change sometime back
> It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.
>
> --
> Skip
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:xJ0Pb.178810$X%5.123608@pd7tw2no...
> > Collapsed lifter won't cause it to miss. It will cause the valve train
to
> > clatter away but will still open the valve enough for the cyl to
> contribute.
> > Hydraulic lifter just takes up the slack, doesn't contribute to the
> opening.
> > Collapsed lifter first complaint would have been the noise. Broken valve
> > spring will cause a miss, but it's pretty uncommon. Comp test first
order
> of
> > business.
> > Steve
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> > > Skip did pass the time by typing:
> > >
> > > > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically
doing
> > > > nothing.
> > >
> > > Correct
> > >
> > > > Any ideas on what's up?
> > > > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
> > >
> > > Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> > > 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
> > >
> > > If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> > > dipstick tube.
> > >
> > > Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> > > the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
> > >
> > > First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> > > compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> > > If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> > > it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> > > lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
> > >
> > > Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> > > as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> > > Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
> > >
> > > --
> > > DougW
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

It's unlikely that you would do any damage driving it. You need a
compression tester to check it out any further and if you're not likely to
be doing the repair yourself you may as well have the shop that's doing the
repair confirm the diagnosis. Not a good policy to go into a shop and tell
them what's wrong, but it is good to know enough to keep from being strung
along. If it's your diagnosis and it turns out incorreft, you're liable.
If they make a mistake on the diagnosis they own part of the problem.
BTW, a bad valve spring can be hard to diagnose. The ywill often still have
enough pressure to keep the valve closed at the cranking speeds that the
comp test is done at but not when actually running. You'll show good
compression on the test but will actually be a compression problem. Almost
have to do a visual on the springs, but again, I am doubtfull about that
being your problem. Just very rare for that to occur.
Steve
<Skip> wrote in message news:bui6420246@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to
do
> that?
> And is it ok to drive it in this condition?
> Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot
as
> far as I can tell.
> Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
> I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
> May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
> (maybe smoking from new muff)
> Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
> change sometime back
> It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.
>
> --
> Skip
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:xJ0Pb.178810$X%5.123608@pd7tw2no...
> > Collapsed lifter won't cause it to miss. It will cause the valve train
to
> > clatter away but will still open the valve enough for the cyl to
> contribute.
> > Hydraulic lifter just takes up the slack, doesn't contribute to the
> opening.
> > Collapsed lifter first complaint would have been the noise. Broken valve
> > spring will cause a miss, but it's pretty uncommon. Comp test first
order
> of
> > business.
> > Steve
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:fE0Pb.8609$zy3.4571@okepread01...
> > > Skip did pass the time by typing:
> > >
> > > > So it looks as though the third cylinder from front is basically
doing
> > > > nothing.
> > >
> > > Correct
> > >
> > > > Any ideas on what's up?
> > > > Mech mentioned valves, piston, and rings.
> > >
> > > Newer and I'd say stuck injector or bad harness, but an
> > > 86 is gonna be good ol Mr. Carburetor.
> > >
> > > If your piston was holed you would be getting exhaust out the
> > > dipstick tube.
> > >
> > > Collapsed lifter on the intake side of #3 would do that. If
> > > the valve isn't opening fuel isn't goin in.
> > >
> > > First up is a compression check across all cylinders. If the
> > > compression is low, squirt in some oil and run the test again.
> > > If compression picks up it's rings, if not it's valves. I doubt
> > > it's the rings, that usually results in a rough condition with
> > > lots of blowby and real dirty oil.
> > >
> > > Your probably going to have to pull the valve cover and watch
> > > as the engine turns. With luck it's just a collapsed lifter.
> > > Or maby a broken return spring on the exhaust valve..
> > >
> > > --
> > > DougW
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

In message <bui6420246@enews4.newsguy.com>, "<Skip>" wrote:

>Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to do
>that?
>And is it ok to drive it in this condition?

No. You'll kill your new cat converter.

>Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot as
>far as I can tell.
>Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
>I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
>May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
>(maybe smoking from new muff)
>Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
>change sometime back
>It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

In message <bui6420246@enews4.newsguy.com>, "<Skip>" wrote:

>Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to do
>that?
>And is it ok to drive it in this condition?

No. You'll kill your new cat converter.

>Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot as
>far as I can tell.
>Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
>I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
>May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
>(maybe smoking from new muff)
>Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
>change sometime back
>It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

In message <bui6420246@enews4.newsguy.com>, "<Skip>" wrote:

>Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to do
>that?
>And is it ok to drive it in this condition?

No. You'll kill your new cat converter.

>Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot as
>far as I can tell.
>Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
>I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
>May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
>(maybe smoking from new muff)
>Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
>change sometime back
>It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Absolutely right, my error. Was focused on internal engine damage and
didn't think about raw HC's.
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:rt7s009vvh7ks6vprmvcc6nh24ignvp4kb@4ax.com...
> In message <bui6420246@enews4.newsguy.com>, "<Skip>" wrote:
>
> >Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to
do
> >that?
> >And is it ok to drive it in this condition?
>
> No. You'll kill your new cat converter.
>
> >Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot
as
> >far as I can tell.
> >Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
> >I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
> >May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
> >(maybe smoking from new muff)
> >Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
> >change sometime back
> >It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Absolutely right, my error. Was focused on internal engine damage and
didn't think about raw HC's.
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:rt7s009vvh7ks6vprmvcc6nh24ignvp4kb@4ax.com...
> In message <bui6420246@enews4.newsguy.com>, "<Skip>" wrote:
>
> >Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to
do
> >that?
> >And is it ok to drive it in this condition?
>
> No. You'll kill your new cat converter.
>
> >Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot
as
> >far as I can tell.
> >Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
> >I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
> >May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
> >(maybe smoking from new muff)
> >Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
> >change sometime back
> >It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.
>

Re: 86 Cherokee appears to have one dead cylinder
 

Absolutely right, my error. Was focused on internal engine damage and
didn't think about raw HC's.
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:rt7s009vvh7ks6vprmvcc6nh24ignvp4kb@4ax.com...
> In message <bui6420246@enews4.newsguy.com>, "<Skip>" wrote:
>
> >Is a compression test something I can do or should I just get the shop to
do
> >that?
> >And is it ok to drive it in this condition?
>
> No. You'll kill your new cat converter.
>
> >Bucking a headwind, it struggles to break 60mph, but it's not running hot
as
> >far as I can tell.
> >Could hold hand on radiator for about 5 seconds no problem.
> >I drove it about 50 miles roundtrip today for the muffler...
> >May be burning a bit of oil today but not sure since new muffler.
> >(maybe smoking from new muff)
> >Dipstick showed full a few days ago and it hasn't used any oil since last
> >change sometime back
> >It was garaged for about 9 months after the last oil change.
>