81 CJ 258 starting problem
 

Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out of
garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery was
gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year, everyone
said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all ready
to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make sure,
it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced the
solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key to
on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me to
put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today
when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!,
so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the
hell was that???????

Re: 81 CJ 258 starting problem
 

Greg wrote:
> Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
> other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out of
> garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery was
> gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year, everyone
> said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all ready
> to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make sure,
> it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced the
> solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key to
> on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me to
> put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
> down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today
> when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
> started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
> starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!,
> so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
> so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the
> hell was that???????
>
>

That can happen with a bad connection arc raising the temp or pulling
too many amps. The bad connection causes too many amps to go through
the cable which can arc the solenoid plate inside.

How is the cable to the starter and the connection on the starter? What
about the starter's brushes?

If I remember right, a low battery makes the above effect happen easier.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
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Re: 81 CJ 258 starting problem
 

Greg wrote:
> Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
> other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out of
> garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery was
> gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year, everyone
> said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all ready
> to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make sure,
> it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced the
> solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key to
> on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me to
> put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
> down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today
> when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
> started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
> starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!,
> so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
> so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the
> hell was that???????
>
>

That can happen with a bad connection arc raising the temp or pulling
too many amps. The bad connection causes too many amps to go through
the cable which can arc the solenoid plate inside.

How is the cable to the starter and the connection on the starter? What
about the starter's brushes?

If I remember right, a low battery makes the above effect happen easier.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: 81 CJ 258 starting problem
 

Greg wrote:
> Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
> other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out of
> garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery was
> gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year, everyone
> said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all ready
> to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make sure,
> it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced the
> solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key to
> on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me to
> put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
> down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today
> when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
> started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
> starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!,
> so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
> so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the
> hell was that???????
>
>

That can happen with a bad connection arc raising the temp or pulling
too many amps. The bad connection causes too many amps to go through
the cable which can arc the solenoid plate inside.

How is the cable to the starter and the connection on the starter? What
about the starter's brushes?

If I remember right, a low battery makes the above effect happen easier.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: 81 CJ 258 starting problem
 

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:36:07 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Greg wrote:
>> Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
>> other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out of
>> garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery was
>> gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year, everyone
>> said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all ready
>> to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make sure,
>> it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced the
>> solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key to
>> on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me to
>> put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
>> down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today
>> when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
>> started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
>> starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!,
>> so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
>> so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the
>> hell was that???????
>>
>>
>
>That can happen with a bad connection arc raising the temp or pulling
>too many amps. The bad connection causes too many amps to go through
>the cable which can arc the solenoid plate inside.

I take it you've never heard of ohm's law. Higher resistance doesn't
increase current flow.

>
>How is the cable to the starter and the connection on the starter? What
>about the starter's brushes?
>
>If I remember right, a low battery makes the above effect happen easier.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: 81 CJ 258 starting problem
 

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:36:07 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Greg wrote:
>> Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
>> other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out of
>> garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery was
>> gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year, everyone
>> said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all ready
>> to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make sure,
>> it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced the
>> solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key to
>> on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me to
>> put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
>> down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today
>> when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
>> started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
>> starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!,
>> so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
>> so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the
>> hell was that???????
>>
>>
>
>That can happen with a bad connection arc raising the temp or pulling
>too many amps. The bad connection causes too many amps to go through
>the cable which can arc the solenoid plate inside.

I take it you've never heard of ohm's law. Higher resistance doesn't
increase current flow.

>
>How is the cable to the starter and the connection on the starter? What
>about the starter's brushes?
>
>If I remember right, a low battery makes the above effect happen easier.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: 81 CJ 258 starting problem
 

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:36:07 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Greg wrote:
>> Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
>> other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out of
>> garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery was
>> gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year, everyone
>> said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all ready
>> to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make sure,
>> it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced the
>> solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key to
>> on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me to
>> put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
>> down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today
>> when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
>> started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
>> starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!,
>> so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
>> so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the
>> hell was that???????
>>
>>
>
>That can happen with a bad connection arc raising the temp or pulling
>too many amps. The bad connection causes too many amps to go through
>the cable which can arc the solenoid plate inside.

I take it you've never heard of ohm's law. Higher resistance doesn't
increase current flow.

>
>How is the cable to the starter and the connection on the starter? What
>about the starter's brushes?
>
>If I remember right, a low battery makes the above effect happen easier.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: 81 CJ 258 starting problem
 

At some time in your battery because disconnect while the engine was
running and popped the alternator diode in that instant. The battery is now
discharging into that trigger wire powering your ignition switch from the
off side. On cars with an idiot light, that light will be burning while the
ignition switch is off, and the battery is being discharged.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
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"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4DjPh.2163$DE1.150@pd7urf2no...
> Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it
the
> other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out
of
> garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery
was
> gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year,
everyone
> said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all
ready
> to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make
sure,
> it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced
the
> solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key
to
> on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me
to
> put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
> down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine.
Today
> when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
> started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
> starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to
her!!,
> so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
> so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what
the
> hell was that???????
>
>



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Re: 81 CJ 258 starting problem
 

At some time in your battery because disconnect while the engine was
running and popped the alternator diode in that instant. The battery is now
discharging into that trigger wire powering your ignition switch from the
off side. On cars with an idiot light, that light will be burning while the
ignition switch is off, and the battery is being discharged.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4DjPh.2163$DE1.150@pd7urf2no...
> Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it
the
> other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out
of
> garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery
was
> gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year,
everyone
> said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all
ready
> to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make
sure,
> it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced
the
> solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key
to
> on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me
to
> put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
> down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine.
Today
> when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
> started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
> starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to
her!!,
> so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
> so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what
the
> hell was that???????
>
>



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Re: 81 CJ 258 starting problem
 

At some time in your battery because disconnect while the engine was
running and popped the alternator diode in that instant. The battery is now
discharging into that trigger wire powering your ignition switch from the
off side. On cars with an idiot light, that light will be burning while the
ignition switch is off, and the battery is being discharged.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4DjPh.2163$DE1.150@pd7urf2no...
> Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it
the
> other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out
of
> garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery
was
> gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year,
everyone
> said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all
ready
> to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make
sure,
> it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced
the
> solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key
to
> on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me
to
> put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
> down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine.
Today
> when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
> started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
> starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to
her!!,
> so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
> so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what
the
> hell was that???????
>
>



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