78 CJ5
 

There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
next year.

The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I did
not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.

I have some interest in it.....

The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.

The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
done

The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)

The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
covers.

He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
running gear was recently inspected and all worn components rebuilt/replaced
and I have no reason to doubt this.

The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay in
starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for a
few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads down
the road past me.

It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly to
the frame (no to the floor)

Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there are
some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point where
the edges of fasteners are obscured.

The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
in fair shape.

The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works well.
He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off easily.

I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
Transmission Plant)

Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Undercoating and herculiner can do an exemplary job of hiding rust
underneath. I have seen vast expanses of undercoating with nothing behind
it but a fragile web of rust. For some reason, the undercoating stays in
place until someone buys the vehicle. Poke the floor with a screwdriver if
the owner will let you.

I am thinking $2,000-$4,000. I saw one more or less like this going for
$3,500 a few years ago in Grand Junction.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:d92cf$4515593d$422afc51$3703@FUSE.NET...
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for
a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?
>
>

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Undercoating and herculiner can do an exemplary job of hiding rust
underneath. I have seen vast expanses of undercoating with nothing behind
it but a fragile web of rust. For some reason, the undercoating stays in
place until someone buys the vehicle. Poke the floor with a screwdriver if
the owner will let you.

I am thinking $2,000-$4,000. I saw one more or less like this going for
$3,500 a few years ago in Grand Junction.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:d92cf$4515593d$422afc51$3703@FUSE.NET...
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for
a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?
>
>

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Undercoating and herculiner can do an exemplary job of hiding rust
underneath. I have seen vast expanses of undercoating with nothing behind
it but a fragile web of rust. For some reason, the undercoating stays in
place until someone buys the vehicle. Poke the floor with a screwdriver if
the owner will let you.

I am thinking $2,000-$4,000. I saw one more or less like this going for
$3,500 a few years ago in Grand Junction.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:d92cf$4515593d$422afc51$3703@FUSE.NET...
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for
a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?
>
>

Re: 78 CJ5
 

It's not old enough to get from California's SMOG, so assume same
in your state. Check EBay and Auto Trader's prices. You may lose
interest once you see what this guy went through:
http://www.saturdaybang.com/jeep/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

It's not old enough to get from California's SMOG, so assume same
in your state. Check EBay and Auto Trader's prices. You may lose
interest once you see what this guy went through:
http://www.saturdaybang.com/jeep/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

It's not old enough to get from California's SMOG, so assume same
in your state. Check EBay and Auto Trader's prices. You may lose
interest once you see what this guy went through:
http://www.saturdaybang.com/jeep/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

In article <d92cf$4515593d$422afc51$3703@FUSE.NET>,
billy ray <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
[stuff deleted]
>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>Transmission Plant)

I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?

>
>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>something like this go for?


I would say a few thousand....



--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: 78 CJ5
 

In article <d92cf$4515593d$422afc51$3703@FUSE.NET>,
billy ray <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
[stuff deleted]
>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>Transmission Plant)

I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?

>
>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>something like this go for?


I would say a few thousand....



--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: 78 CJ5
 

In article <d92cf$4515593d$422afc51$3703@FUSE.NET>,
billy ray <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
[stuff deleted]
>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>Transmission Plant)

I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?

>
>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>something like this go for?


I would say a few thousand....



--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Ohio's pollution controls only go back 25 years but they were done away with
last year because the only cars failing weren't subjects to the law
anyway...

They still test for emissions in Cleveland but that may be from to much
Kielbasa and Great Lakes Beer. The test is now free.

I wandered by the CJ this afternoon in-between the rain showers (2 more
inches tonight). There is a rust through on the driver front fender and I
see the CJ former color was blue.

The frame on both sides shows signs of repairs and reinforcements, mostly in
the back where you would expect them

The tires show no evidence of odd wear so I am assuming that the frame has
been straight and true for the life of these tires..

The front bumper is a section of channel and the rear is an aftermarket or
home made with a sturdy welded bracket for the spare. I couldn't see the
spare itself as it is covered but it appears, from my window, to be about
the same size as the mounted 33s.

The suspension is lifted, not the body

I like his idea for a cigarette lighter powered drill, too bad I just threw
one away. I suppose I can find one on eBay with batteries that won't hold a
charge cheap...

I'd have no interest in restoring the thing to showroom, just keep it road
and trail worthy for the limited time (few years) my back would allow a CJ.
I started wondering about this when I heard he might be selling next year.

My real interest was in picking up another XJ, the benefits of a better ride
and being able to get in out of the rain when camping will probably over
ride the loss in trailworthiness caused by the longer wheelbase..


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4515C7DE.9DFB9855@cox.net...
> It's not old enough to get from California's SMOG, so assume same
> in your state. Check EBay and Auto Trader's prices. You may lose
> interest once you see what this guy went through:
> http://www.saturdaybang.com/jeep/
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
>> next year.
>>
>> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
>> did
>> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>>
>> I have some interest in it.....
>>
>> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
>> obvious
>> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>>
>> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
>> well
>> done
>>
>> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
>> of
>> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
>> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
>> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>>
>> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
>> covers.
>>
>> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
>> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
>> rebuilt/replaced
>> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>>
>> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
>> in
>> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
>> for a
>> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
>> down
>> the road past me.
>>
>> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
>> to
>> the frame (no to the floor)
>>
>> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
>> are
>> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
>> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention
>> I
>> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
>> where
>> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>>
>> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
>> are
>> in fair shape.
>>
>> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
>> well.
>> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
>> easily.
>>
>> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
>> he
>> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>> Transmission Plant)
>>
>> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Ohio's pollution controls only go back 25 years but they were done away with
last year because the only cars failing weren't subjects to the law
anyway...

They still test for emissions in Cleveland but that may be from to much
Kielbasa and Great Lakes Beer. The test is now free.

I wandered by the CJ this afternoon in-between the rain showers (2 more
inches tonight). There is a rust through on the driver front fender and I
see the CJ former color was blue.

The frame on both sides shows signs of repairs and reinforcements, mostly in
the back where you would expect them

The tires show no evidence of odd wear so I am assuming that the frame has
been straight and true for the life of these tires..

The front bumper is a section of channel and the rear is an aftermarket or
home made with a sturdy welded bracket for the spare. I couldn't see the
spare itself as it is covered but it appears, from my window, to be about
the same size as the mounted 33s.

The suspension is lifted, not the body

I like his idea for a cigarette lighter powered drill, too bad I just threw
one away. I suppose I can find one on eBay with batteries that won't hold a
charge cheap...

I'd have no interest in restoring the thing to showroom, just keep it road
and trail worthy for the limited time (few years) my back would allow a CJ.
I started wondering about this when I heard he might be selling next year.

My real interest was in picking up another XJ, the benefits of a better ride
and being able to get in out of the rain when camping will probably over
ride the loss in trailworthiness caused by the longer wheelbase..


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4515C7DE.9DFB9855@cox.net...
> It's not old enough to get from California's SMOG, so assume same
> in your state. Check EBay and Auto Trader's prices. You may lose
> interest once you see what this guy went through:
> http://www.saturdaybang.com/jeep/
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
>> next year.
>>
>> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
>> did
>> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>>
>> I have some interest in it.....
>>
>> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
>> obvious
>> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>>
>> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
>> well
>> done
>>
>> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
>> of
>> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
>> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
>> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>>
>> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
>> covers.
>>
>> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
>> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
>> rebuilt/replaced
>> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>>
>> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
>> in
>> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
>> for a
>> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
>> down
>> the road past me.
>>
>> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
>> to
>> the frame (no to the floor)
>>
>> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
>> are
>> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
>> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention
>> I
>> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
>> where
>> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>>
>> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
>> are
>> in fair shape.
>>
>> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
>> well.
>> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
>> easily.
>>
>> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
>> he
>> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>> Transmission Plant)
>>
>> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Ohio's pollution controls only go back 25 years but they were done away with
last year because the only cars failing weren't subjects to the law
anyway...

They still test for emissions in Cleveland but that may be from to much
Kielbasa and Great Lakes Beer. The test is now free.

I wandered by the CJ this afternoon in-between the rain showers (2 more
inches tonight). There is a rust through on the driver front fender and I
see the CJ former color was blue.

The frame on both sides shows signs of repairs and reinforcements, mostly in
the back where you would expect them

The tires show no evidence of odd wear so I am assuming that the frame has
been straight and true for the life of these tires..

The front bumper is a section of channel and the rear is an aftermarket or
home made with a sturdy welded bracket for the spare. I couldn't see the
spare itself as it is covered but it appears, from my window, to be about
the same size as the mounted 33s.

The suspension is lifted, not the body

I like his idea for a cigarette lighter powered drill, too bad I just threw
one away. I suppose I can find one on eBay with batteries that won't hold a
charge cheap...

I'd have no interest in restoring the thing to showroom, just keep it road
and trail worthy for the limited time (few years) my back would allow a CJ.
I started wondering about this when I heard he might be selling next year.

My real interest was in picking up another XJ, the benefits of a better ride
and being able to get in out of the rain when camping will probably over
ride the loss in trailworthiness caused by the longer wheelbase..


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4515C7DE.9DFB9855@cox.net...
> It's not old enough to get from California's SMOG, so assume same
> in your state. Check EBay and Auto Trader's prices. You may lose
> interest once you see what this guy went through:
> http://www.saturdaybang.com/jeep/
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
>> next year.
>>
>> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
>> did
>> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>>
>> I have some interest in it.....
>>
>> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
>> obvious
>> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>>
>> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
>> well
>> done
>>
>> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
>> of
>> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
>> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
>> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>>
>> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
>> covers.
>>
>> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
>> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
>> rebuilt/replaced
>> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>>
>> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
>> in
>> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
>> for a
>> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
>> down
>> the road past me.
>>
>> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
>> to
>> the frame (no to the floor)
>>
>> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
>> are
>> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
>> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention
>> I
>> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
>> where
>> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>>
>> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
>> are
>> in fair shape.
>>
>> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
>> well.
>> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
>> easily.
>>
>> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
>> he
>> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>> Transmission Plant)
>>
>> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Could be, he sold his Harley about a month ago.


>>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>>Transmission Plant)
>
> I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
> employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?
>
>>
>>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>>something like this go for?
>
>
> I would say a few thousand....
>
>
>
> --
> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Could be, he sold his Harley about a month ago.


>>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>>Transmission Plant)
>
> I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
> employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?
>
>>
>>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>>something like this go for?
>
>
> I would say a few thousand....
>
>
>
> --
> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Could be, he sold his Harley about a month ago.


>>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>>Transmission Plant)
>
> I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
> employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?
>
>>
>>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>>something like this go for?
>
>
> I would say a few thousand....
>
>
>
> --
> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: 78 CJ5
 

I have developed a policy of not buying any vehicle that is not its original
color. Every time I bought one, the bondo started cracking and falling off
muy pronto. I take a dim view of performance and off-road modifications
too. I would run, not walk, from any vehicle with frame repairs or
reinforcements. New Mexico is the place to buy rust-free XJs that have
never been hit or taken off road. I would rather deal with a worn out power
train than rust repairs.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:765cd$4515db6b$422afc51$2636@FUSE.NET...
> Ohio's pollution controls only go back 25 years but they were done away
with
> last year because the only cars failing weren't subjects to the law
> anyway...
>
> They still test for emissions in Cleveland but that may be from to much
> Kielbasa and Great Lakes Beer. The test is now free.
>
> I wandered by the CJ this afternoon in-between the rain showers (2 more
> inches tonight). There is a rust through on the driver front fender and I
> see the CJ former color was blue.
>
> The frame on both sides shows signs of repairs and reinforcements, mostly
in
> the back where you would expect them
>
> The tires show no evidence of odd wear so I am assuming that the frame has
> been straight and true for the life of these tires..
>
> The front bumper is a section of channel and the rear is an aftermarket or
> home made with a sturdy welded bracket for the spare. I couldn't see the
> spare itself as it is covered but it appears, from my window, to be about
> the same size as the mounted 33s.
>
> The suspension is lifted, not the body
>
> I like his idea for a cigarette lighter powered drill, too bad I just
threw
> one away. I suppose I can find one on eBay with batteries that won't hold
a
> charge cheap...
>
> I'd have no interest in restoring the thing to showroom, just keep it road
> and trail worthy for the limited time (few years) my back would allow a
CJ.
> I started wondering about this when I heard he might be selling next year.
>
> My real interest was in picking up another XJ, the benefits of a better
ride
> and being able to get in out of the rain when camping will probably over
> ride the loss in trailworthiness caused by the longer wheelbase..
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4515C7DE.9DFB9855@cox.net...
> > It's not old enough to get from California's SMOG, so assume same
> > in your state. Check EBay and Auto Trader's prices. You may lose
> > interest once you see what this guy went through:
> > http://www.saturdaybang.com/jeep/
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering
selling
> >> next year.
> >>
> >> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
> >> did
> >> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
> >>
> >> I have some interest in it.....
> >>
> >> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
> >> obvious
> >> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
> >>
> >> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
> >> well
> >> done
> >>
> >> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
> >> of
> >> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> >> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have
the
> >> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
> >>
> >> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats
or
> >> covers.
> >>
> >> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> >> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
> >> rebuilt/replaced
> >> and I have no reason to doubt this.
> >>
> >> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a
delay
> >> in
> >> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
> >> for a
> >> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
> >> down
> >> the road past me.
> >>
> >> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted
directly
> >> to
> >> the frame (no to the floor)
> >>
> >> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
> >> are
> >> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going
on
> >> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop
attention
> >> I
> >> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
> >> where
> >> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
> >>
> >> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
> >> are
> >> in fair shape.
> >>
> >> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
> >> well.
> >> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
> >> easily.
> >>
> >> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
> >> he
> >> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> >> Transmission Plant)
> >>
> >> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What
would
> >> something like this go for?
>
>

Re: 78 CJ5
 

I have developed a policy of not buying any vehicle that is not its original
color. Every time I bought one, the bondo started cracking and falling off
muy pronto. I take a dim view of performance and off-road modifications
too. I would run, not walk, from any vehicle with frame repairs or
reinforcements. New Mexico is the place to buy rust-free XJs that have
never been hit or taken off road. I would rather deal with a worn out power
train than rust repairs.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:765cd$4515db6b$422afc51$2636@FUSE.NET...
> Ohio's pollution controls only go back 25 years but they were done away
with
> last year because the only cars failing weren't subjects to the law
> anyway...
>
> They still test for emissions in Cleveland but that may be from to much
> Kielbasa and Great Lakes Beer. The test is now free.
>
> I wandered by the CJ this afternoon in-between the rain showers (2 more
> inches tonight). There is a rust through on the driver front fender and I
> see the CJ former color was blue.
>
> The frame on both sides shows signs of repairs and reinforcements, mostly
in
> the back where you would expect them
>
> The tires show no evidence of odd wear so I am assuming that the frame has
> been straight and true for the life of these tires..
>
> The front bumper is a section of channel and the rear is an aftermarket or
> home made with a sturdy welded bracket for the spare. I couldn't see the
> spare itself as it is covered but it appears, from my window, to be about
> the same size as the mounted 33s.
>
> The suspension is lifted, not the body
>
> I like his idea for a cigarette lighter powered drill, too bad I just
threw
> one away. I suppose I can find one on eBay with batteries that won't hold
a
> charge cheap...
>
> I'd have no interest in restoring the thing to showroom, just keep it road
> and trail worthy for the limited time (few years) my back would allow a
CJ.
> I started wondering about this when I heard he might be selling next year.
>
> My real interest was in picking up another XJ, the benefits of a better
ride
> and being able to get in out of the rain when camping will probably over
> ride the loss in trailworthiness caused by the longer wheelbase..
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4515C7DE.9DFB9855@cox.net...
> > It's not old enough to get from California's SMOG, so assume same
> > in your state. Check EBay and Auto Trader's prices. You may lose
> > interest once you see what this guy went through:
> > http://www.saturdaybang.com/jeep/
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering
selling
> >> next year.
> >>
> >> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
> >> did
> >> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
> >>
> >> I have some interest in it.....
> >>
> >> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
> >> obvious
> >> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
> >>
> >> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
> >> well
> >> done
> >>
> >> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
> >> of
> >> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> >> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have
the
> >> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
> >>
> >> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats
or
> >> covers.
> >>
> >> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> >> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
> >> rebuilt/replaced
> >> and I have no reason to doubt this.
> >>
> >> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a
delay
> >> in
> >> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
> >> for a
> >> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
> >> down
> >> the road past me.
> >>
> >> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted
directly
> >> to
> >> the frame (no to the floor)
> >>
> >> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
> >> are
> >> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going
on
> >> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop
attention
> >> I
> >> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
> >> where
> >> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
> >>
> >> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
> >> are
> >> in fair shape.
> >>
> >> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
> >> well.
> >> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
> >> easily.
> >>
> >> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
> >> he
> >> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> >> Transmission Plant)
> >>
> >> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What
would
> >> something like this go for?
>
>

Re: 78 CJ5
 

I have developed a policy of not buying any vehicle that is not its original
color. Every time I bought one, the bondo started cracking and falling off
muy pronto. I take a dim view of performance and off-road modifications
too. I would run, not walk, from any vehicle with frame repairs or
reinforcements. New Mexico is the place to buy rust-free XJs that have
never been hit or taken off road. I would rather deal with a worn out power
train than rust repairs.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:765cd$4515db6b$422afc51$2636@FUSE.NET...
> Ohio's pollution controls only go back 25 years but they were done away
with
> last year because the only cars failing weren't subjects to the law
> anyway...
>
> They still test for emissions in Cleveland but that may be from to much
> Kielbasa and Great Lakes Beer. The test is now free.
>
> I wandered by the CJ this afternoon in-between the rain showers (2 more
> inches tonight). There is a rust through on the driver front fender and I
> see the CJ former color was blue.
>
> The frame on both sides shows signs of repairs and reinforcements, mostly
in
> the back where you would expect them
>
> The tires show no evidence of odd wear so I am assuming that the frame has
> been straight and true for the life of these tires..
>
> The front bumper is a section of channel and the rear is an aftermarket or
> home made with a sturdy welded bracket for the spare. I couldn't see the
> spare itself as it is covered but it appears, from my window, to be about
> the same size as the mounted 33s.
>
> The suspension is lifted, not the body
>
> I like his idea for a cigarette lighter powered drill, too bad I just
threw
> one away. I suppose I can find one on eBay with batteries that won't hold
a
> charge cheap...
>
> I'd have no interest in restoring the thing to showroom, just keep it road
> and trail worthy for the limited time (few years) my back would allow a
CJ.
> I started wondering about this when I heard he might be selling next year.
>
> My real interest was in picking up another XJ, the benefits of a better
ride
> and being able to get in out of the rain when camping will probably over
> ride the loss in trailworthiness caused by the longer wheelbase..
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4515C7DE.9DFB9855@cox.net...
> > It's not old enough to get from California's SMOG, so assume same
> > in your state. Check EBay and Auto Trader's prices. You may lose
> > interest once you see what this guy went through:
> > http://www.saturdaybang.com/jeep/
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering
selling
> >> next year.
> >>
> >> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
> >> did
> >> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
> >>
> >> I have some interest in it.....
> >>
> >> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
> >> obvious
> >> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
> >>
> >> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
> >> well
> >> done
> >>
> >> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
> >> of
> >> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> >> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have
the
> >> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
> >>
> >> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats
or
> >> covers.
> >>
> >> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> >> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
> >> rebuilt/replaced
> >> and I have no reason to doubt this.
> >>
> >> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a
delay
> >> in
> >> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
> >> for a
> >> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
> >> down
> >> the road past me.
> >>
> >> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted
directly
> >> to
> >> the frame (no to the floor)
> >>
> >> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
> >> are
> >> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going
on
> >> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop
attention
> >> I
> >> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
> >> where
> >> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
> >>
> >> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
> >> are
> >> in fair shape.
> >>
> >> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
> >> well.
> >> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
> >> easily.
> >>
> >> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
> >> he
> >> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> >> Transmission Plant)
> >>
> >> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What
would
> >> something like this go for?
>
>

Re: 78 CJ5
 

In article <88b7a$4515db6b$422afc51$2636@FUSE.NET>,
billy ray <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>Could be, he sold his Harley about a month ago.

It makes you wonder. I read or saw on TV comparison vehicles which included
the Ford Fusion. Honda, Toyota, Nissan etc etc. Guess which one was not
built in the USA? Yep, the Fusion was built in Mexico as per the article.

>
>
>>>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>>>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>>>Transmission Plant)
>>
>> I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
>> employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?
>>
>>>
>>>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>>>something like this go for?
>>
>>
>> I would say a few thousand....
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
>
>


--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: 78 CJ5
 

In article <88b7a$4515db6b$422afc51$2636@FUSE.NET>,
billy ray <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>Could be, he sold his Harley about a month ago.

It makes you wonder. I read or saw on TV comparison vehicles which included
the Ford Fusion. Honda, Toyota, Nissan etc etc. Guess which one was not
built in the USA? Yep, the Fusion was built in Mexico as per the article.

>
>
>>>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>>>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>>>Transmission Plant)
>>
>> I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
>> employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?
>>
>>>
>>>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>>>something like this go for?
>>
>>
>> I would say a few thousand....
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
>
>


--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: 78 CJ5
 

In article <88b7a$4515db6b$422afc51$2636@FUSE.NET>,
billy ray <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>Could be, he sold his Harley about a month ago.

It makes you wonder. I read or saw on TV comparison vehicles which included
the Ford Fusion. Honda, Toyota, Nissan etc etc. Guess which one was not
built in the USA? Yep, the Fusion was built in Mexico as per the article.

>
>
>>>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>>>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>>>Transmission Plant)
>>
>> I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
>> employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?
>>
>>>
>>>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>>>something like this go for?
>>
>>
>> I would say a few thousand....
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
>
>


--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: 78 CJ5
 

I would keep on looking....

A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.

When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
middle.

This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
running anymore.

Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

billy ray wrote:
>
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

I would keep on looking....

A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.

When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
middle.

This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
running anymore.

Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

billy ray wrote:
>
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

I would keep on looking....

A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.

When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
middle.

This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
running anymore.

Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

billy ray wrote:
>
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Well.... I'm probably going back to my XJ plan that we discussed last
year...


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45168FD0.5F91BF95@sympatico.ca...
>I would keep on looking....
>
> A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
> of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.
>
> When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
> spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
> strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
> driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
> same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
> middle.
>
> This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
> running anymore.
>
> Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
> up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
> frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
> with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
> by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
> fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
>> next year.
>>
>> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
>> did
>> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>>
>> I have some interest in it.....
>>
>> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
>> obvious
>> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>>
>> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
>> well
>> done
>>
>> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
>> of
>> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
>> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
>> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>>
>> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
>> covers.
>>
>> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
>> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
>> rebuilt/replaced
>> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>>
>> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
>> in
>> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
>> for a
>> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
>> down
>> the road past me.
>>
>> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
>> to
>> the frame (no to the floor)
>>
>> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
>> are
>> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
>> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention
>> I
>> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
>> where
>> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>>
>> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
>> are
>> in fair shape.
>>
>> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
>> well.
>> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
>> easily.
>>
>> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
>> he
>> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>> Transmission Plant)
>>
>> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Well.... I'm probably going back to my XJ plan that we discussed last
year...


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45168FD0.5F91BF95@sympatico.ca...
>I would keep on looking....
>
> A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
> of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.
>
> When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
> spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
> strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
> driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
> same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
> middle.
>
> This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
> running anymore.
>
> Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
> up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
> frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
> with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
> by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
> fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
>> next year.
>>
>> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
>> did
>> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>>
>> I have some interest in it.....
>>
>> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
>> obvious
>> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>>
>> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
>> well
>> done
>>
>> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
>> of
>> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
>> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
>> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>>
>> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
>> covers.
>>
>> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
>> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
>> rebuilt/replaced
>> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>>
>> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
>> in
>> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
>> for a
>> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
>> down
>> the road past me.
>>
>> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
>> to
>> the frame (no to the floor)
>>
>> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
>> are
>> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
>> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention
>> I
>> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
>> where
>> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>>
>> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
>> are
>> in fair shape.
>>
>> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
>> well.
>> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
>> easily.
>>
>> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
>> he
>> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>> Transmission Plant)
>>
>> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>> something like this go for?

Re: 78 CJ5
 

Well.... I'm probably going back to my XJ plan that we discussed last
year...


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45168FD0.5F91BF95@sympatico.ca...
>I would keep on looking....
>
> A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
> of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.
>
> When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
> spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
> strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
> driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
> same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
> middle.
>
> This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
> running anymore.
>
> Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
> up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
> frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
> with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
> by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
> fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
>> next year.
>>
>> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
>> did
>> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>>
>> I have some interest in it.....
>>
>> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
>> obvious
>> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>>
>> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
>> well
>> done
>>
>> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
>> of
>> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
>> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
>> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>>
>> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
>> covers.
>>
>> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
>> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
>> rebuilt/replaced
>> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>>
>> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
>> in
>> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
>> for a
>> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
>> down
>> the road past me.
>>
>> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
>> to
>> the frame (no to the floor)
>>
>> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
>> are
>> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
>> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention
>> I
>> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
>> where
>> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>>
>> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
>> are
>> in fair shape.
>>
>> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
>> well.
>> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
>> easily.
>>
>> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
>> he
>> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>> Transmission Plant)
>>
>> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>> something like this go for?