Re: 2004 JGC 4wd NOT for dirt, per dealer
 

Earl,

You need to lighten up a bit. Jezz. Obviously you didn't even bother
to read my post. You are just shooting from the hip. As I said, if I
bought a wrangler I wouldn't feel the need to take out an ew. If you
buy a GC and don't buy an ew then fine, but just don't assume that
everyone has the resources you have in case there expensive repairs.

If you have fire insurance and your house doesn't burn down, then have
you "lost" that "lottery". In your way of thinking, all insurance is
a lottery. What about life insurance isn't it the greatest scam of
all?

Obviously you and I are never going to agree about this. So just don't
buy an ew. But some of us don't have the resources you have and so we
have to protect ourselves against possibility of expensive repairs.

Larry

Re: 2004 JGC 4wd NOT for dirt, per dealer
 

Earl,

You need to lighten up a bit. Jezz. Obviously you didn't even bother
to read my post. You are just shooting from the hip. As I said, if I
bought a wrangler I wouldn't feel the need to take out an ew. If you
buy a GC and don't buy an ew then fine, but just don't assume that
everyone has the resources you have in case there expensive repairs.

If you have fire insurance and your house doesn't burn down, then have
you "lost" that "lottery". In your way of thinking, all insurance is
a lottery. What about life insurance isn't it the greatest scam of
all?

Obviously you and I are never going to agree about this. So just don't
buy an ew. But some of us don't have the resources you have and so we
have to protect ourselves against possibility of expensive repairs.

Larry

Re: 2004 JGC 4wd NOT for dirt, per dealer
 

The house insurance payment is about $400 a year. Compare that to the cost
of the house. It comes with a million dollars liability and a bunch of
other goodies too. Sure I will never use them, but they are cheap. Like a
lottery ticket. Your lottery ticket, and you know it is one, is a lot more
expensive, compared to what you expect to get for it. How much is an
extended warranty these days?

One calculates the real value of a lottery ticket, by the expected reward,
times the probability of winning. Now, I couldn't afford to replace my
house, if it burned down. (Well, actually I could, but let's just say, for
the sake of argument, that I couldn't.) That makes the expected reward,
basically infinite. That is why I buy the house insurance. Oh, and the
bank makes me get it too.

But car repairs? Heck, if you have budgeted properly, you can afford them.
And if what you said about the GC is true, that it is not reliable, and will
stick you with repairs that you cannot afford, then it is still a lottery.
And the real people who win, are the ones selling the tickets. They are not
selling policies, that are costing them money, just so guys like you can
drive a luxury vehicle. This is a fact. These people are collecting money,
on average, not paying it out. Otherwise, they would not be selling the
extended warranty at all! Statistically, this means that the GC is probably
a lot more reliable than you think it is. Think about it. The sales people
tell you how great the vehicle is. Actually, they don't have to. You are
in the show room, drooling all over it, telling your wife and kids how great
it will be. At the Dodge dealer in Bellevue, WA, they let the customers
drive the vehicle off the showroom floor. King for a day. Then the finance
guy tells you how expensive repairs could be. Better buy the policy, just
in case.

Earle

"larry" <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote in message
news:1137961575.836735.23650@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Earl,
>
> You need to lighten up a bit. Jezz. Obviously you didn't even bother
> to read my post. You are just shooting from the hip. As I said, if I
> bought a wrangler I wouldn't feel the need to take out an ew. If you
> buy a GC and don't buy an ew then fine, but just don't assume that
> everyone has the resources you have in case there expensive repairs.
>
> If you have fire insurance and your house doesn't burn down, then have
> you "lost" that "lottery". In your way of thinking, all insurance is
> a lottery. What about life insurance isn't it the greatest scam of
> all?
>
> Obviously you and I are never going to agree about this. So just don't
> buy an ew. But some of us don't have the resources you have and so we
> have to protect ourselves against possibility of expensive repairs.
>
> Larry
>

Re: 2004 JGC 4wd NOT for dirt, per dealer
 

The house insurance payment is about $400 a year. Compare that to the cost
of the house. It comes with a million dollars liability and a bunch of
other goodies too. Sure I will never use them, but they are cheap. Like a
lottery ticket. Your lottery ticket, and you know it is one, is a lot more
expensive, compared to what you expect to get for it. How much is an
extended warranty these days?

One calculates the real value of a lottery ticket, by the expected reward,
times the probability of winning. Now, I couldn't afford to replace my
house, if it burned down. (Well, actually I could, but let's just say, for
the sake of argument, that I couldn't.) That makes the expected reward,
basically infinite. That is why I buy the house insurance. Oh, and the
bank makes me get it too.

But car repairs? Heck, if you have budgeted properly, you can afford them.
And if what you said about the GC is true, that it is not reliable, and will
stick you with repairs that you cannot afford, then it is still a lottery.
And the real people who win, are the ones selling the tickets. They are not
selling policies, that are costing them money, just so guys like you can
drive a luxury vehicle. This is a fact. These people are collecting money,
on average, not paying it out. Otherwise, they would not be selling the
extended warranty at all! Statistically, this means that the GC is probably
a lot more reliable than you think it is. Think about it. The sales people
tell you how great the vehicle is. Actually, they don't have to. You are
in the show room, drooling all over it, telling your wife and kids how great
it will be. At the Dodge dealer in Bellevue, WA, they let the customers
drive the vehicle off the showroom floor. King for a day. Then the finance
guy tells you how expensive repairs could be. Better buy the policy, just
in case.

Earle

"larry" <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote in message
news:1137961575.836735.23650@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Earl,
>
> You need to lighten up a bit. Jezz. Obviously you didn't even bother
> to read my post. You are just shooting from the hip. As I said, if I
> bought a wrangler I wouldn't feel the need to take out an ew. If you
> buy a GC and don't buy an ew then fine, but just don't assume that
> everyone has the resources you have in case there expensive repairs.
>
> If you have fire insurance and your house doesn't burn down, then have
> you "lost" that "lottery". In your way of thinking, all insurance is
> a lottery. What about life insurance isn't it the greatest scam of
> all?
>
> Obviously you and I are never going to agree about this. So just don't
> buy an ew. But some of us don't have the resources you have and so we
> have to protect ourselves against possibility of expensive repairs.
>
> Larry
>

Re: 2004 JGC 4wd NOT for dirt, per dealer
 

The house insurance payment is about $400 a year. Compare that to the cost
of the house. It comes with a million dollars liability and a bunch of
other goodies too. Sure I will never use them, but they are cheap. Like a
lottery ticket. Your lottery ticket, and you know it is one, is a lot more
expensive, compared to what you expect to get for it. How much is an
extended warranty these days?

One calculates the real value of a lottery ticket, by the expected reward,
times the probability of winning. Now, I couldn't afford to replace my
house, if it burned down. (Well, actually I could, but let's just say, for
the sake of argument, that I couldn't.) That makes the expected reward,
basically infinite. That is why I buy the house insurance. Oh, and the
bank makes me get it too.

But car repairs? Heck, if you have budgeted properly, you can afford them.
And if what you said about the GC is true, that it is not reliable, and will
stick you with repairs that you cannot afford, then it is still a lottery.
And the real people who win, are the ones selling the tickets. They are not
selling policies, that are costing them money, just so guys like you can
drive a luxury vehicle. This is a fact. These people are collecting money,
on average, not paying it out. Otherwise, they would not be selling the
extended warranty at all! Statistically, this means that the GC is probably
a lot more reliable than you think it is. Think about it. The sales people
tell you how great the vehicle is. Actually, they don't have to. You are
in the show room, drooling all over it, telling your wife and kids how great
it will be. At the Dodge dealer in Bellevue, WA, they let the customers
drive the vehicle off the showroom floor. King for a day. Then the finance
guy tells you how expensive repairs could be. Better buy the policy, just
in case.

Earle

"larry" <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote in message
news:1137961575.836735.23650@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Earl,
>
> You need to lighten up a bit. Jezz. Obviously you didn't even bother
> to read my post. You are just shooting from the hip. As I said, if I
> bought a wrangler I wouldn't feel the need to take out an ew. If you
> buy a GC and don't buy an ew then fine, but just don't assume that
> everyone has the resources you have in case there expensive repairs.
>
> If you have fire insurance and your house doesn't burn down, then have
> you "lost" that "lottery". In your way of thinking, all insurance is
> a lottery. What about life insurance isn't it the greatest scam of
> all?
>
> Obviously you and I are never going to agree about this. So just don't
> buy an ew. But some of us don't have the resources you have and so we
> have to protect ourselves against possibility of expensive repairs.
>
> Larry
>

Re: 2004 JGC 4wd NOT for dirt, per dealer
 

Hi Earle,
That's what my insurance is too, but just ten years ago it was a
hundred, and constant for twenty years before that.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The house insurance payment is about $400 a year. Compare that to the cost
> of the house. It comes with a million dollars liability and a bunch of
> other goodies too. Sure I will never use them, but they are cheap. Like a
> lottery ticket. Your lottery ticket, and you know it is one, is a lot more
> expensive, compared to what you expect to get for it. How much is an
> extended warranty these days?
>
> One calculates the real value of a lottery ticket, by the expected reward,
> times the probability of winning. Now, I couldn't afford to replace my
> house, if it burned down. (Well, actually I could, but let's just say, for
> the sake of argument, that I couldn't.) That makes the expected reward,
> basically infinite. That is why I buy the house insurance. Oh, and the
> bank makes me get it too.
>
> But car repairs? Heck, if you have budgeted properly, you can afford them.
> And if what you said about the GC is true, that it is not reliable, and will
> stick you with repairs that you cannot afford, then it is still a lottery.
> And the real people who win, are the ones selling the tickets. They are not
> selling policies, that are costing them money, just so guys like you can
> drive a luxury vehicle. This is a fact. These people are collecting money,
> on average, not paying it out. Otherwise, they would not be selling the
> extended warranty at all! Statistically, this means that the GC is probably
> a lot more reliable than you think it is. Think about it. The sales people
> tell you how great the vehicle is. Actually, they don't have to. You are
> in the show room, drooling all over it, telling your wife and kids how great
> it will be. At the Dodge dealer in Bellevue, WA, they let the customers
> drive the vehicle off the showroom floor. King for a day. Then the finance
> guy tells you how expensive repairs could be. Better buy the policy, just
> in case.
>
> Earle
>
> "larry" <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote in message
> news:1137961575.836735.23650@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> > Earl,
> >
> > You need to lighten up a bit. Jezz. Obviously you didn't even bother
> > to read my post. You are just shooting from the hip. As I said, if I
> > bought a wrangler I wouldn't feel the need to take out an ew. If you
> > buy a GC and don't buy an ew then fine, but just don't assume that
> > everyone has the resources you have in case there expensive repairs.
> >
> > If you have fire insurance and your house doesn't burn down, then have
> > you "lost" that "lottery". In your way of thinking, all insurance is
> > a lottery. What about life insurance isn't it the greatest scam of
> > all?
> >
> > Obviously you and I are never going to agree about this. So just don't
> > buy an ew. But some of us don't have the resources you have and so we
> > have to protect ourselves against possibility of expensive repairs.
> >
> > Larry
> >

Re: 2004 JGC 4wd NOT for dirt, per dealer
 

Hi Earle,
That's what my insurance is too, but just ten years ago it was a
hundred, and constant for twenty years before that.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The house insurance payment is about $400 a year. Compare that to the cost
> of the house. It comes with a million dollars liability and a bunch of
> other goodies too. Sure I will never use them, but they are cheap. Like a
> lottery ticket. Your lottery ticket, and you know it is one, is a lot more
> expensive, compared to what you expect to get for it. How much is an
> extended warranty these days?
>
> One calculates the real value of a lottery ticket, by the expected reward,
> times the probability of winning. Now, I couldn't afford to replace my
> house, if it burned down. (Well, actually I could, but let's just say, for
> the sake of argument, that I couldn't.) That makes the expected reward,
> basically infinite. That is why I buy the house insurance. Oh, and the
> bank makes me get it too.
>
> But car repairs? Heck, if you have budgeted properly, you can afford them.
> And if what you said about the GC is true, that it is not reliable, and will
> stick you with repairs that you cannot afford, then it is still a lottery.
> And the real people who win, are the ones selling the tickets. They are not
> selling policies, that are costing them money, just so guys like you can
> drive a luxury vehicle. This is a fact. These people are collecting money,
> on average, not paying it out. Otherwise, they would not be selling the
> extended warranty at all! Statistically, this means that the GC is probably
> a lot more reliable than you think it is. Think about it. The sales people
> tell you how great the vehicle is. Actually, they don't have to. You are
> in the show room, drooling all over it, telling your wife and kids how great
> it will be. At the Dodge dealer in Bellevue, WA, they let the customers
> drive the vehicle off the showroom floor. King for a day. Then the finance
> guy tells you how expensive repairs could be. Better buy the policy, just
> in case.
>
> Earle
>
> "larry" <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote in message
> news:1137961575.836735.23650@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> > Earl,
> >
> > You need to lighten up a bit. Jezz. Obviously you didn't even bother
> > to read my post. You are just shooting from the hip. As I said, if I
> > bought a wrangler I wouldn't feel the need to take out an ew. If you
> > buy a GC and don't buy an ew then fine, but just don't assume that
> > everyone has the resources you have in case there expensive repairs.
> >
> > If you have fire insurance and your house doesn't burn down, then have
> > you "lost" that "lottery". In your way of thinking, all insurance is
> > a lottery. What about life insurance isn't it the greatest scam of
> > all?
> >
> > Obviously you and I are never going to agree about this. So just don't
> > buy an ew. But some of us don't have the resources you have and so we
> > have to protect ourselves against possibility of expensive repairs.
> >
> > Larry
> >

Re: 2004 JGC 4wd NOT for dirt, per dealer
 

Hi Earle,
That's what my insurance is too, but just ten years ago it was a
hundred, and constant for twenty years before that.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The house insurance payment is about $400 a year. Compare that to the cost
> of the house. It comes with a million dollars liability and a bunch of
> other goodies too. Sure I will never use them, but they are cheap. Like a
> lottery ticket. Your lottery ticket, and you know it is one, is a lot more
> expensive, compared to what you expect to get for it. How much is an
> extended warranty these days?
>
> One calculates the real value of a lottery ticket, by the expected reward,
> times the probability of winning. Now, I couldn't afford to replace my
> house, if it burned down. (Well, actually I could, but let's just say, for
> the sake of argument, that I couldn't.) That makes the expected reward,
> basically infinite. That is why I buy the house insurance. Oh, and the
> bank makes me get it too.
>
> But car repairs? Heck, if you have budgeted properly, you can afford them.
> And if what you said about the GC is true, that it is not reliable, and will
> stick you with repairs that you cannot afford, then it is still a lottery.
> And the real people who win, are the ones selling the tickets. They are not
> selling policies, that are costing them money, just so guys like you can
> drive a luxury vehicle. This is a fact. These people are collecting money,
> on average, not paying it out. Otherwise, they would not be selling the
> extended warranty at all! Statistically, this means that the GC is probably
> a lot more reliable than you think it is. Think about it. The sales people
> tell you how great the vehicle is. Actually, they don't have to. You are
> in the show room, drooling all over it, telling your wife and kids how great
> it will be. At the Dodge dealer in Bellevue, WA, they let the customers
> drive the vehicle off the showroom floor. King for a day. Then the finance
> guy tells you how expensive repairs could be. Better buy the policy, just
> in case.
>
> Earle
>
> "larry" <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote in message
> news:1137961575.836735.23650@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> > Earl,
> >
> > You need to lighten up a bit. Jezz. Obviously you didn't even bother
> > to read my post. You are just shooting from the hip. As I said, if I
> > bought a wrangler I wouldn't feel the need to take out an ew. If you
> > buy a GC and don't buy an ew then fine, but just don't assume that
> > everyone has the resources you have in case there expensive repairs.
> >
> > If you have fire insurance and your house doesn't burn down, then have
> > you "lost" that "lottery". In your way of thinking, all insurance is
> > a lottery. What about life insurance isn't it the greatest scam of
> > all?
> >
> > Obviously you and I are never going to agree about this. So just don't
> > buy an ew. But some of us don't have the resources you have and so we
> > have to protect ourselves against possibility of expensive repairs.
> >
> > Larry
> >

Re: 2004 JGC 4wd NOT for dirt, per dealer
 

Here is the latest information and action taken:

My Dealer, Don-A-Vee Chrysler, Jeep, in Placentia, California
agreed to replace the canister, at no charge.

I asked to view the disassembly so I could understand the failure
mode. I was able to do this:

The air inlet tube is mounted vertically behind the right rear wheel
well. There is and end cap with a star channel for airflow. The
tubing, evap pump, & canister are contained on an ell shaped
bracket which exposes everything to the elements.

Everything was covered with dust. The mechanic blew out the
lines and inlet trap. Dust everywhere! There is no protection-
at all! I am surprised that there isn't a large volume of GC owners
having the same problem. History does not reflect this. The
service manager is contacting the Chrysler technical support
group to obtain any more information.

This system cycles for several minutes when the vehicle is started,
then it is powered down during operation. I cannot see how this
assembly can be protected from dust (while parked) and dirt, or
debris while in operation.

A flow test was performed by the mechanic when the pump was
replaced. It showed the system was blocked by dirt, or dust.
Therefore, the cansiter was replaced.

Under these conditions, I can only conclude that the air inlet
must be altered with a tubing extension (to; somewhere?) and
replace the inlet cap with a pre-filter or trap. Then check and
clean it every month, or so.

Any help on the amount of failures, or modifications would be
appreciated.

Regards, ----
Anaheim/Phelan, CA

Re: 2004 JGC 4wd NOT for dirt, per dealer
 

Here is the latest information and action taken:

My Dealer, Don-A-Vee Chrysler, Jeep, in Placentia, California
agreed to replace the canister, at no charge.

I asked to view the disassembly so I could understand the failure
mode. I was able to do this:

The air inlet tube is mounted vertically behind the right rear wheel
well. There is and end cap with a star channel for airflow. The
tubing, evap pump, & canister are contained on an ell shaped
bracket which exposes everything to the elements.

Everything was covered with dust. The mechanic blew out the
lines and inlet trap. Dust everywhere! There is no protection-
at all! I am surprised that there isn't a large volume of GC owners
having the same problem. History does not reflect this. The
service manager is contacting the Chrysler technical support
group to obtain any more information.

This system cycles for several minutes when the vehicle is started,
then it is powered down during operation. I cannot see how this
assembly can be protected from dust (while parked) and dirt, or
debris while in operation.

A flow test was performed by the mechanic when the pump was
replaced. It showed the system was blocked by dirt, or dust.
Therefore, the cansiter was replaced.

Under these conditions, I can only conclude that the air inlet
must be altered with a tubing extension (to; somewhere?) and
replace the inlet cap with a pre-filter or trap. Then check and
clean it every month, or so.

Any help on the amount of failures, or modifications would be
appreciated.

Regards, ----
Anaheim/Phelan, CA