Re: 2004 Jeep Liberty brake problem.
what a load of ---- he gave u! get some autozone rotors and forget turning the
rotors you will be better off in the long run Fred wrote: > I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of 2003. > I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer told me > that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it was not > covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I would > take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their price was > ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that the > rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they are > supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this problem > with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors have to > be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem. |
Re: 2004 Jeep Liberty brake problem.
actually jeep made the on the car brake lathe a essential tool when the wj's
came out with the rotor problem they had and it didn't help Jerry Bransford wrote: > You possibly misunderstood that they need to be turned while still > mounted on the axle, I just don't see how rotors can be turned (which > requires a lathe) like that. > > And rotors can not only warp from lug nuts not being tightened equally > (which is getting rare now due to heavier-duty rotors being used now on > Jeeps) but from overheating the rotors from hard braking as well. NO > automotive manufacturer will warranty the brake assembly for wear or > warped rotors beyond a "courtesy" period which is often around 12,000 > miles. The reason is that brake wear and rotor warping is not generally > under control of the manufacturer since one customer might get 60,000 > miles out of a set of brakes where someone else may only get 10-12,000 > miles out of them. > > Fred wrote: > > I had the tires rotated at 12,000 miles by the dealer, nothing else has > > been done to the vehicle. I feel that the rotors should not wear or > > warp at 18,000 miles, and is it necessary to have them turned on the > > vehicle, or are they just trying to get me to have the dealer do the job? > > > > Fred > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message > > news:44e1efeb$0$19102$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > >> I have 80,000 miles on the brakes on my 1995 Wrangler, with no work > >> performed on them except for an occasional fluid flush and inspection > >> of the > >> front pads and the rear shoes. Your theory makes some sense. In 18,231 > >> miles the OP maybe had the tires rotated once, enough to get the rotors > >> warped if they used an impact wrench. > >> > >> Fred, what work have you had done on the vehicle previously? > >> Specifically, > >> have you had the wheels taken off before, and why? > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > >> news:44E1E064.E5D4C1BA@sympatico.ca... > >>> It would appear it is a really common scam the $tealerships are pulling > >>> these days. > >>> > >>> They use an impact gun to install the tires and the rotors warp. They > >>> then sucker you for a turn and use the impact gun again on the tires so > >>> the turn doesn't last at all. They are 'supposed' to finish tightening > >>> the wheels by hand with a torque wrench so the lugs push evenly on the > >>> rotors. > >>> > >>> If you go into their shop, I will bet you will see the so called 'techs' > >>> just hammering wheels on with no torque wrench to be seen. > >>> > >>> Even if they claim they use 'torque sticks' on their gun, these are not > >>> accurate enough to prevent warpage. New out of the box, those sticks > >>> are still +/- something like 15% which can make a 30 ft lb up or down > >>> difference at 100 ft lb of torque. > >>> > >>> Half the time, rather than replace, the rotors get turned under > >>> warranty, then they hammer the wheels back on and the next one is a > >>> replacement just after the warranty is up. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >>> > >>> Fred wrote: > >>> > > >>> > I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of > >> 2003. > >>> > I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer > >>> > told > >> me > >>> > that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it > >>> was > >> not > >>> > covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I > >>> > would > >>> > take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their > >>> price > was > >>> > ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that > >> the > >>> > rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they > >>> are > >>> > supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this > >> problem > >>> > with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors > >>> > have > >> to > >>> > be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem. > >> > >> > > > > -- > Jerry Bransford > PP-ASEL N6TAY > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: 2004 Jeep Liberty brake problem.
actually jeep made the on the car brake lathe a essential tool when the wj's
came out with the rotor problem they had and it didn't help Jerry Bransford wrote: > You possibly misunderstood that they need to be turned while still > mounted on the axle, I just don't see how rotors can be turned (which > requires a lathe) like that. > > And rotors can not only warp from lug nuts not being tightened equally > (which is getting rare now due to heavier-duty rotors being used now on > Jeeps) but from overheating the rotors from hard braking as well. NO > automotive manufacturer will warranty the brake assembly for wear or > warped rotors beyond a "courtesy" period which is often around 12,000 > miles. The reason is that brake wear and rotor warping is not generally > under control of the manufacturer since one customer might get 60,000 > miles out of a set of brakes where someone else may only get 10-12,000 > miles out of them. > > Fred wrote: > > I had the tires rotated at 12,000 miles by the dealer, nothing else has > > been done to the vehicle. I feel that the rotors should not wear or > > warp at 18,000 miles, and is it necessary to have them turned on the > > vehicle, or are they just trying to get me to have the dealer do the job? > > > > Fred > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message > > news:44e1efeb$0$19102$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > >> I have 80,000 miles on the brakes on my 1995 Wrangler, with no work > >> performed on them except for an occasional fluid flush and inspection > >> of the > >> front pads and the rear shoes. Your theory makes some sense. In 18,231 > >> miles the OP maybe had the tires rotated once, enough to get the rotors > >> warped if they used an impact wrench. > >> > >> Fred, what work have you had done on the vehicle previously? > >> Specifically, > >> have you had the wheels taken off before, and why? > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > >> news:44E1E064.E5D4C1BA@sympatico.ca... > >>> It would appear it is a really common scam the $tealerships are pulling > >>> these days. > >>> > >>> They use an impact gun to install the tires and the rotors warp. They > >>> then sucker you for a turn and use the impact gun again on the tires so > >>> the turn doesn't last at all. They are 'supposed' to finish tightening > >>> the wheels by hand with a torque wrench so the lugs push evenly on the > >>> rotors. > >>> > >>> If you go into their shop, I will bet you will see the so called 'techs' > >>> just hammering wheels on with no torque wrench to be seen. > >>> > >>> Even if they claim they use 'torque sticks' on their gun, these are not > >>> accurate enough to prevent warpage. New out of the box, those sticks > >>> are still +/- something like 15% which can make a 30 ft lb up or down > >>> difference at 100 ft lb of torque. > >>> > >>> Half the time, rather than replace, the rotors get turned under > >>> warranty, then they hammer the wheels back on and the next one is a > >>> replacement just after the warranty is up. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >>> > >>> Fred wrote: > >>> > > >>> > I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of > >> 2003. > >>> > I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer > >>> > told > >> me > >>> > that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it > >>> was > >> not > >>> > covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I > >>> > would > >>> > take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their > >>> price > was > >>> > ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that > >> the > >>> > rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they > >>> are > >>> > supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this > >> problem > >>> > with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors > >>> > have > >> to > >>> > be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem. > >> > >> > > > > -- > Jerry Bransford > PP-ASEL N6TAY > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: 2004 Jeep Liberty brake problem.
actually jeep made the on the car brake lathe a essential tool when the wj's
came out with the rotor problem they had and it didn't help Jerry Bransford wrote: > You possibly misunderstood that they need to be turned while still > mounted on the axle, I just don't see how rotors can be turned (which > requires a lathe) like that. > > And rotors can not only warp from lug nuts not being tightened equally > (which is getting rare now due to heavier-duty rotors being used now on > Jeeps) but from overheating the rotors from hard braking as well. NO > automotive manufacturer will warranty the brake assembly for wear or > warped rotors beyond a "courtesy" period which is often around 12,000 > miles. The reason is that brake wear and rotor warping is not generally > under control of the manufacturer since one customer might get 60,000 > miles out of a set of brakes where someone else may only get 10-12,000 > miles out of them. > > Fred wrote: > > I had the tires rotated at 12,000 miles by the dealer, nothing else has > > been done to the vehicle. I feel that the rotors should not wear or > > warp at 18,000 miles, and is it necessary to have them turned on the > > vehicle, or are they just trying to get me to have the dealer do the job? > > > > Fred > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message > > news:44e1efeb$0$19102$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > >> I have 80,000 miles on the brakes on my 1995 Wrangler, with no work > >> performed on them except for an occasional fluid flush and inspection > >> of the > >> front pads and the rear shoes. Your theory makes some sense. In 18,231 > >> miles the OP maybe had the tires rotated once, enough to get the rotors > >> warped if they used an impact wrench. > >> > >> Fred, what work have you had done on the vehicle previously? > >> Specifically, > >> have you had the wheels taken off before, and why? > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > >> news:44E1E064.E5D4C1BA@sympatico.ca... > >>> It would appear it is a really common scam the $tealerships are pulling > >>> these days. > >>> > >>> They use an impact gun to install the tires and the rotors warp. They > >>> then sucker you for a turn and use the impact gun again on the tires so > >>> the turn doesn't last at all. They are 'supposed' to finish tightening > >>> the wheels by hand with a torque wrench so the lugs push evenly on the > >>> rotors. > >>> > >>> If you go into their shop, I will bet you will see the so called 'techs' > >>> just hammering wheels on with no torque wrench to be seen. > >>> > >>> Even if they claim they use 'torque sticks' on their gun, these are not > >>> accurate enough to prevent warpage. New out of the box, those sticks > >>> are still +/- something like 15% which can make a 30 ft lb up or down > >>> difference at 100 ft lb of torque. > >>> > >>> Half the time, rather than replace, the rotors get turned under > >>> warranty, then they hammer the wheels back on and the next one is a > >>> replacement just after the warranty is up. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >>> > >>> Fred wrote: > >>> > > >>> > I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of > >> 2003. > >>> > I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer > >>> > told > >> me > >>> > that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it > >>> was > >> not > >>> > covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I > >>> > would > >>> > take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their > >>> price > was > >>> > ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that > >> the > >>> > rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they > >>> are > >>> > supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this > >> problem > >>> > with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors > >>> > have > >> to > >>> > be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem. > >> > >> > > > > -- > Jerry Bransford > PP-ASEL N6TAY > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: 2004 Jeep Liberty brake problem.
actually jeep made the on the car brake lathe a essential tool when the wj's
came out with the rotor problem they had and it didn't help Jerry Bransford wrote: > You possibly misunderstood that they need to be turned while still > mounted on the axle, I just don't see how rotors can be turned (which > requires a lathe) like that. > > And rotors can not only warp from lug nuts not being tightened equally > (which is getting rare now due to heavier-duty rotors being used now on > Jeeps) but from overheating the rotors from hard braking as well. NO > automotive manufacturer will warranty the brake assembly for wear or > warped rotors beyond a "courtesy" period which is often around 12,000 > miles. The reason is that brake wear and rotor warping is not generally > under control of the manufacturer since one customer might get 60,000 > miles out of a set of brakes where someone else may only get 10-12,000 > miles out of them. > > Fred wrote: > > I had the tires rotated at 12,000 miles by the dealer, nothing else has > > been done to the vehicle. I feel that the rotors should not wear or > > warp at 18,000 miles, and is it necessary to have them turned on the > > vehicle, or are they just trying to get me to have the dealer do the job? > > > > Fred > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message > > news:44e1efeb$0$19102$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > >> I have 80,000 miles on the brakes on my 1995 Wrangler, with no work > >> performed on them except for an occasional fluid flush and inspection > >> of the > >> front pads and the rear shoes. Your theory makes some sense. In 18,231 > >> miles the OP maybe had the tires rotated once, enough to get the rotors > >> warped if they used an impact wrench. > >> > >> Fred, what work have you had done on the vehicle previously? > >> Specifically, > >> have you had the wheels taken off before, and why? > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > >> news:44E1E064.E5D4C1BA@sympatico.ca... > >>> It would appear it is a really common scam the $tealerships are pulling > >>> these days. > >>> > >>> They use an impact gun to install the tires and the rotors warp. They > >>> then sucker you for a turn and use the impact gun again on the tires so > >>> the turn doesn't last at all. They are 'supposed' to finish tightening > >>> the wheels by hand with a torque wrench so the lugs push evenly on the > >>> rotors. > >>> > >>> If you go into their shop, I will bet you will see the so called 'techs' > >>> just hammering wheels on with no torque wrench to be seen. > >>> > >>> Even if they claim they use 'torque sticks' on their gun, these are not > >>> accurate enough to prevent warpage. New out of the box, those sticks > >>> are still +/- something like 15% which can make a 30 ft lb up or down > >>> difference at 100 ft lb of torque. > >>> > >>> Half the time, rather than replace, the rotors get turned under > >>> warranty, then they hammer the wheels back on and the next one is a > >>> replacement just after the warranty is up. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >>> > >>> Fred wrote: > >>> > > >>> > I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of > >> 2003. > >>> > I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer > >>> > told > >> me > >>> > that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it > >>> was > >> not > >>> > covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I > >>> > would > >>> > take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their > >>> price > was > >>> > ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that > >> the > >>> > rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they > >>> are > >>> > supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this > >> problem > >>> > with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors > >>> > have > >> to > >>> > be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem. > >> > >> > > > > -- > Jerry Bransford > PP-ASEL N6TAY > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: 2004 Jeep Liberty brake problem.
The calipers on a WJ, the Stealership felt were out of align and
were replaced along with the rotors under warranty: http://www.----------.com/WJCaliber.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- philthy wrote: > > what a load of ---- he gave u! get some autozone rotors and forget turning the > rotors you will be better off in the long run |
Re: 2004 Jeep Liberty brake problem.
The calipers on a WJ, the Stealership felt were out of align and
were replaced along with the rotors under warranty: http://www.----------.com/WJCaliber.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- philthy wrote: > > what a load of ---- he gave u! get some autozone rotors and forget turning the > rotors you will be better off in the long run |
Re: 2004 Jeep Liberty brake problem.
The calipers on a WJ, the Stealership felt were out of align and
were replaced along with the rotors under warranty: http://www.----------.com/WJCaliber.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- philthy wrote: > > what a load of ---- he gave u! get some autozone rotors and forget turning the > rotors you will be better off in the long run |
Re: 2004 Jeep Liberty brake problem.
The calipers on a WJ, the Stealership felt were out of align and
were replaced along with the rotors under warranty: http://www.----------.com/WJCaliber.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- philthy wrote: > > what a load of ---- he gave u! get some autozone rotors and forget turning the > rotors you will be better off in the long run |
Re: 2004 Jeep Liberty brake problem.
In article <44E1FD5A.980AAC47@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote: #Have you priced new rotors? They are a basic DIY job to put on and cost #$89.00 ea. locally. $89.00??!??!? ouch. Are they performace rotors or are you talking $89.00CDN? Even some dealers don't charge that much! http://www.wyckoffchryslerparts.com/ $69.10US for WJ rotors. /herb |
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