Re: 1984 CJ -- two questions
 

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:daa3tf$7l3$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> Posting for a friend with a 1984 CJ, 258, std. that he's rebuilding.
>
> What's the spec for cylinder compression? He's getting 160 across all 6
> cyls, which sounds pretty good from here.
>

160 is very good. The spec is 150, but the real spec is that they all be
within 10% of each other and that they be within a couple of pounds from one
to the next.





> He's putting a new fiberglas tub on his Jeep and might have a windshield
> frame from a Wrangler fall into his lap, which was offered to him as
> having a better wiper system than the CJ. Will this fit the tub without
> causing problems with his hard top? I gather that there may be bolt
> hole and vent issues, but since he's putting a new tub on anyway it
> might not matter. Will his existing scratch-and-chip-free windshield
> glass fit the Wrangler frame?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: 1984 CJ -- two questions
 

Thanks all who replied. I've passed on your advice, with thanks.
He's decided to go with the `glass CJ windshield frame, to reduce
installation hassles.

Lee

Mike Romain wrote:
> The compression is too high or the gauge is bad. A 'new' 258 is only
> supposed to have 150. (carboned up or shaved head?)
>
> As mentioned, the vents are different on the frames if it is a 'stock'
> frame. If aftermarket they fit both but you 'really' have to check the
> post for the driver's side wiper to make sure it is in the right place
> and the sheet metal around it is not not bent. There are a pile of bad
> ones on the aftermarket. The result of the poor wiper arm post fit is a
> jam and a burn out of the motor or intermittent module smoke out with
> bent linkages.
>
> I was given one also when I did my 'glass tub and it was already crapped
> out and sheet metaled over that hole to move it. I bought a new one and
> got the same crappie fit. I eventually had to cut the hole out of my
> old
> frame and move it over to the new frame to position it right after a
> couple years of messing around with washers and cursing when it died on
> the highway in the rain.
>
> Tell him not to forget to ground the windshield frame itself! The
> hinges have this nasty tendency to not want to be ground points for the
> wipers about half way through bogs as I found out on a trip 1000 miles
> from home in a Nova Scotia bog with 3500 miles left to get back
> home.... Figured it out pretty quick but getting the rest of the way
> through that bog with my head out the door to see was messy....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>>Posting for a friend with a 1984 CJ, 258, std. that he's rebuilding.
>>
>>What's the spec for cylinder compression? He's getting 160 across all 6
>>cyls, which sounds pretty good from here.
>>
>>He's putting a new fiberglas tub on his Jeep and might have a windshield
>>frame from a Wrangler fall into his lap, which was offered to him as
>>having a better wiper system than the CJ. Will this fit the tub without
>>causing problems with his hard top? I gather that there may be bolt
>>hole and vent issues, but since he's putting a new tub on anyway it
>>might not matter. Will his existing scratch-and-chip-free windshield
>>glass fit the Wrangler frame?
>>
>>Thanks.

Re: 1984 CJ -- two questions
 

Thanks all who replied. I've passed on your advice, with thanks.
He's decided to go with the `glass CJ windshield frame, to reduce
installation hassles.

Lee

Mike Romain wrote:
> The compression is too high or the gauge is bad. A 'new' 258 is only
> supposed to have 150. (carboned up or shaved head?)
>
> As mentioned, the vents are different on the frames if it is a 'stock'
> frame. If aftermarket they fit both but you 'really' have to check the
> post for the driver's side wiper to make sure it is in the right place
> and the sheet metal around it is not not bent. There are a pile of bad
> ones on the aftermarket. The result of the poor wiper arm post fit is a
> jam and a burn out of the motor or intermittent module smoke out with
> bent linkages.
>
> I was given one also when I did my 'glass tub and it was already crapped
> out and sheet metaled over that hole to move it. I bought a new one and
> got the same crappie fit. I eventually had to cut the hole out of my
> old
> frame and move it over to the new frame to position it right after a
> couple years of messing around with washers and cursing when it died on
> the highway in the rain.
>
> Tell him not to forget to ground the windshield frame itself! The
> hinges have this nasty tendency to not want to be ground points for the
> wipers about half way through bogs as I found out on a trip 1000 miles
> from home in a Nova Scotia bog with 3500 miles left to get back
> home.... Figured it out pretty quick but getting the rest of the way
> through that bog with my head out the door to see was messy....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>>Posting for a friend with a 1984 CJ, 258, std. that he's rebuilding.
>>
>>What's the spec for cylinder compression? He's getting 160 across all 6
>>cyls, which sounds pretty good from here.
>>
>>He's putting a new fiberglas tub on his Jeep and might have a windshield
>>frame from a Wrangler fall into his lap, which was offered to him as
>>having a better wiper system than the CJ. Will this fit the tub without
>>causing problems with his hard top? I gather that there may be bolt
>>hole and vent issues, but since he's putting a new tub on anyway it
>>might not matter. Will his existing scratch-and-chip-free windshield
>>glass fit the Wrangler frame?
>>
>>Thanks.

Re: 1984 CJ -- two questions
 

Thanks all who replied. I've passed on your advice, with thanks.
He's decided to go with the `glass CJ windshield frame, to reduce
installation hassles.

Lee

Mike Romain wrote:
> The compression is too high or the gauge is bad. A 'new' 258 is only
> supposed to have 150. (carboned up or shaved head?)
>
> As mentioned, the vents are different on the frames if it is a 'stock'
> frame. If aftermarket they fit both but you 'really' have to check the
> post for the driver's side wiper to make sure it is in the right place
> and the sheet metal around it is not not bent. There are a pile of bad
> ones on the aftermarket. The result of the poor wiper arm post fit is a
> jam and a burn out of the motor or intermittent module smoke out with
> bent linkages.
>
> I was given one also when I did my 'glass tub and it was already crapped
> out and sheet metaled over that hole to move it. I bought a new one and
> got the same crappie fit. I eventually had to cut the hole out of my
> old
> frame and move it over to the new frame to position it right after a
> couple years of messing around with washers and cursing when it died on
> the highway in the rain.
>
> Tell him not to forget to ground the windshield frame itself! The
> hinges have this nasty tendency to not want to be ground points for the
> wipers about half way through bogs as I found out on a trip 1000 miles
> from home in a Nova Scotia bog with 3500 miles left to get back
> home.... Figured it out pretty quick but getting the rest of the way
> through that bog with my head out the door to see was messy....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>>Posting for a friend with a 1984 CJ, 258, std. that he's rebuilding.
>>
>>What's the spec for cylinder compression? He's getting 160 across all 6
>>cyls, which sounds pretty good from here.
>>
>>He's putting a new fiberglas tub on his Jeep and might have a windshield
>>frame from a Wrangler fall into his lap, which was offered to him as
>>having a better wiper system than the CJ. Will this fit the tub without
>>causing problems with his hard top? I gather that there may be bolt
>>hole and vent issues, but since he's putting a new tub on anyway it
>>might not matter. Will his existing scratch-and-chip-free windshield
>>glass fit the Wrangler frame?
>>
>>Thanks.

Re: 1984 CJ -- two questions
 

Thanks all who replied. I've passed on your advice, with thanks.
He's decided to go with the `glass CJ windshield frame, to reduce
installation hassles.

Lee

Mike Romain wrote:
> The compression is too high or the gauge is bad. A 'new' 258 is only
> supposed to have 150. (carboned up or shaved head?)
>
> As mentioned, the vents are different on the frames if it is a 'stock'
> frame. If aftermarket they fit both but you 'really' have to check the
> post for the driver's side wiper to make sure it is in the right place
> and the sheet metal around it is not not bent. There are a pile of bad
> ones on the aftermarket. The result of the poor wiper arm post fit is a
> jam and a burn out of the motor or intermittent module smoke out with
> bent linkages.
>
> I was given one also when I did my 'glass tub and it was already crapped
> out and sheet metaled over that hole to move it. I bought a new one and
> got the same crappie fit. I eventually had to cut the hole out of my
> old
> frame and move it over to the new frame to position it right after a
> couple years of messing around with washers and cursing when it died on
> the highway in the rain.
>
> Tell him not to forget to ground the windshield frame itself! The
> hinges have this nasty tendency to not want to be ground points for the
> wipers about half way through bogs as I found out on a trip 1000 miles
> from home in a Nova Scotia bog with 3500 miles left to get back
> home.... Figured it out pretty quick but getting the rest of the way
> through that bog with my head out the door to see was messy....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>>Posting for a friend with a 1984 CJ, 258, std. that he's rebuilding.
>>
>>What's the spec for cylinder compression? He's getting 160 across all 6
>>cyls, which sounds pretty good from here.
>>
>>He's putting a new fiberglas tub on his Jeep and might have a windshield
>>frame from a Wrangler fall into his lap, which was offered to him as
>>having a better wiper system than the CJ. Will this fit the tub without
>>causing problems with his hard top? I gather that there may be bolt
>>hole and vent issues, but since he's putting a new tub on anyway it
>>might not matter. Will his existing scratch-and-chip-free windshield
>>glass fit the Wrangler frame?
>>
>>Thanks.

Re: 1984 CJ -- two questions
 

No no no no no no!

Unless he is going to drive topless or with a hard top only, he cannot
use a 'glass windshield frame. Didn't even think they sold them
anymore. Most places stopped selling them when they figured out they
don't work.

If he uses a soft top or bikini top, the aerodynamic lift factor will
pull the top of the frame clear off the glass.

He needs steel to use a soft top.

Mike


Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Thanks all who replied. I've passed on your advice, with thanks.
> He's decided to go with the `glass CJ windshield frame, to reduce
> installation hassles.
>
> Lee
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The compression is too high or the gauge is bad. A 'new' 258 is only
> > supposed to have 150. (carboned up or shaved head?)
> >
> > As mentioned, the vents are different on the frames if it is a 'stock'
> > frame. If aftermarket they fit both but you 'really' have to check the
> > post for the driver's side wiper to make sure it is in the right place
> > and the sheet metal around it is not not bent. There are a pile of bad
> > ones on the aftermarket. The result of the poor wiper arm post fit is a
> > jam and a burn out of the motor or intermittent module smoke out with
> > bent linkages.
> >
> > I was given one also when I did my 'glass tub and it was already crapped
> > out and sheet metaled over that hole to move it. I bought a new one and
> > got the same crappie fit. I eventually had to cut the hole out of my
> > old
> > frame and move it over to the new frame to position it right after a
> > couple years of messing around with washers and cursing when it died on
> > the highway in the rain.
> >
> > Tell him not to forget to ground the windshield frame itself! The
> > hinges have this nasty tendency to not want to be ground points for the
> > wipers about half way through bogs as I found out on a trip 1000 miles
> > from home in a Nova Scotia bog with 3500 miles left to get back
> > home.... Figured it out pretty quick but getting the rest of the way
> > through that bog with my head out the door to see was messy....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> >>Posting for a friend with a 1984 CJ, 258, std. that he's rebuilding.
> >>
> >>What's the spec for cylinder compression? He's getting 160 across all 6
> >>cyls, which sounds pretty good from here.
> >>
> >>He's putting a new fiberglas tub on his Jeep and might have a windshield
> >>frame from a Wrangler fall into his lap, which was offered to him as
> >>having a better wiper system than the CJ. Will this fit the tub without
> >>causing problems with his hard top? I gather that there may be bolt
> >>hole and vent issues, but since he's putting a new tub on anyway it
> >>might not matter. Will his existing scratch-and-chip-free windshield
> >>glass fit the Wrangler frame?
> >>
> >>Thanks.

Re: 1984 CJ -- two questions
 

No no no no no no!

Unless he is going to drive topless or with a hard top only, he cannot
use a 'glass windshield frame. Didn't even think they sold them
anymore. Most places stopped selling them when they figured out they
don't work.

If he uses a soft top or bikini top, the aerodynamic lift factor will
pull the top of the frame clear off the glass.

He needs steel to use a soft top.

Mike


Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Thanks all who replied. I've passed on your advice, with thanks.
> He's decided to go with the `glass CJ windshield frame, to reduce
> installation hassles.
>
> Lee
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The compression is too high or the gauge is bad. A 'new' 258 is only
> > supposed to have 150. (carboned up or shaved head?)
> >
> > As mentioned, the vents are different on the frames if it is a 'stock'
> > frame. If aftermarket they fit both but you 'really' have to check the
> > post for the driver's side wiper to make sure it is in the right place
> > and the sheet metal around it is not not bent. There are a pile of bad
> > ones on the aftermarket. The result of the poor wiper arm post fit is a
> > jam and a burn out of the motor or intermittent module smoke out with
> > bent linkages.
> >
> > I was given one also when I did my 'glass tub and it was already crapped
> > out and sheet metaled over that hole to move it. I bought a new one and
> > got the same crappie fit. I eventually had to cut the hole out of my
> > old
> > frame and move it over to the new frame to position it right after a
> > couple years of messing around with washers and cursing when it died on
> > the highway in the rain.
> >
> > Tell him not to forget to ground the windshield frame itself! The
> > hinges have this nasty tendency to not want to be ground points for the
> > wipers about half way through bogs as I found out on a trip 1000 miles
> > from home in a Nova Scotia bog with 3500 miles left to get back
> > home.... Figured it out pretty quick but getting the rest of the way
> > through that bog with my head out the door to see was messy....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> >>Posting for a friend with a 1984 CJ, 258, std. that he's rebuilding.
> >>
> >>What's the spec for cylinder compression? He's getting 160 across all 6
> >>cyls, which sounds pretty good from here.
> >>
> >>He's putting a new fiberglas tub on his Jeep and might have a windshield
> >>frame from a Wrangler fall into his lap, which was offered to him as
> >>having a better wiper system than the CJ. Will this fit the tub without
> >>causing problems with his hard top? I gather that there may be bolt
> >>hole and vent issues, but since he's putting a new tub on anyway it
> >>might not matter. Will his existing scratch-and-chip-free windshield
> >>glass fit the Wrangler frame?
> >>
> >>Thanks.

Re: 1984 CJ -- two questions
 

No no no no no no!

Unless he is going to drive topless or with a hard top only, he cannot
use a 'glass windshield frame. Didn't even think they sold them
anymore. Most places stopped selling them when they figured out they
don't work.

If he uses a soft top or bikini top, the aerodynamic lift factor will
pull the top of the frame clear off the glass.

He needs steel to use a soft top.

Mike


Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Thanks all who replied. I've passed on your advice, with thanks.
> He's decided to go with the `glass CJ windshield frame, to reduce
> installation hassles.
>
> Lee
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The compression is too high or the gauge is bad. A 'new' 258 is only
> > supposed to have 150. (carboned up or shaved head?)
> >
> > As mentioned, the vents are different on the frames if it is a 'stock'
> > frame. If aftermarket they fit both but you 'really' have to check the
> > post for the driver's side wiper to make sure it is in the right place
> > and the sheet metal around it is not not bent. There are a pile of bad
> > ones on the aftermarket. The result of the poor wiper arm post fit is a
> > jam and a burn out of the motor or intermittent module smoke out with
> > bent linkages.
> >
> > I was given one also when I did my 'glass tub and it was already crapped
> > out and sheet metaled over that hole to move it. I bought a new one and
> > got the same crappie fit. I eventually had to cut the hole out of my
> > old
> > frame and move it over to the new frame to position it right after a
> > couple years of messing around with washers and cursing when it died on
> > the highway in the rain.
> >
> > Tell him not to forget to ground the windshield frame itself! The
> > hinges have this nasty tendency to not want to be ground points for the
> > wipers about half way through bogs as I found out on a trip 1000 miles
> > from home in a Nova Scotia bog with 3500 miles left to get back
> > home.... Figured it out pretty quick but getting the rest of the way
> > through that bog with my head out the door to see was messy....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> >>Posting for a friend with a 1984 CJ, 258, std. that he's rebuilding.
> >>
> >>What's the spec for cylinder compression? He's getting 160 across all 6
> >>cyls, which sounds pretty good from here.
> >>
> >>He's putting a new fiberglas tub on his Jeep and might have a windshield
> >>frame from a Wrangler fall into his lap, which was offered to him as
> >>having a better wiper system than the CJ. Will this fit the tub without
> >>causing problems with his hard top? I gather that there may be bolt
> >>hole and vent issues, but since he's putting a new tub on anyway it
> >>might not matter. Will his existing scratch-and-chip-free windshield
> >>glass fit the Wrangler frame?
> >>
> >>Thanks.

Re: 1984 CJ -- two questions
 

No no no no no no!

Unless he is going to drive topless or with a hard top only, he cannot
use a 'glass windshield frame. Didn't even think they sold them
anymore. Most places stopped selling them when they figured out they
don't work.

If he uses a soft top or bikini top, the aerodynamic lift factor will
pull the top of the frame clear off the glass.

He needs steel to use a soft top.

Mike


Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Thanks all who replied. I've passed on your advice, with thanks.
> He's decided to go with the `glass CJ windshield frame, to reduce
> installation hassles.
>
> Lee
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The compression is too high or the gauge is bad. A 'new' 258 is only
> > supposed to have 150. (carboned up or shaved head?)
> >
> > As mentioned, the vents are different on the frames if it is a 'stock'
> > frame. If aftermarket they fit both but you 'really' have to check the
> > post for the driver's side wiper to make sure it is in the right place
> > and the sheet metal around it is not not bent. There are a pile of bad
> > ones on the aftermarket. The result of the poor wiper arm post fit is a
> > jam and a burn out of the motor or intermittent module smoke out with
> > bent linkages.
> >
> > I was given one also when I did my 'glass tub and it was already crapped
> > out and sheet metaled over that hole to move it. I bought a new one and
> > got the same crappie fit. I eventually had to cut the hole out of my
> > old
> > frame and move it over to the new frame to position it right after a
> > couple years of messing around with washers and cursing when it died on
> > the highway in the rain.
> >
> > Tell him not to forget to ground the windshield frame itself! The
> > hinges have this nasty tendency to not want to be ground points for the
> > wipers about half way through bogs as I found out on a trip 1000 miles
> > from home in a Nova Scotia bog with 3500 miles left to get back
> > home.... Figured it out pretty quick but getting the rest of the way
> > through that bog with my head out the door to see was messy....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> >>Posting for a friend with a 1984 CJ, 258, std. that he's rebuilding.
> >>
> >>What's the spec for cylinder compression? He's getting 160 across all 6
> >>cyls, which sounds pretty good from here.
> >>
> >>He's putting a new fiberglas tub on his Jeep and might have a windshield
> >>frame from a Wrangler fall into his lap, which was offered to him as
> >>having a better wiper system than the CJ. Will this fit the tub without
> >>causing problems with his hard top? I gather that there may be bolt
> >>hole and vent issues, but since he's putting a new tub on anyway it
> >>might not matter. Will his existing scratch-and-chip-free windshield
> >>glass fit the Wrangler frame?
> >>
> >>Thanks.