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1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to
get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke off an unknown quantity in the pan. So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing remains before starting the motor. Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be using?? I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated ....... Thanks .... Mike |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
mp@murklagoon.com wrote:
> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to > get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) > > However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the > dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke > off an unknown quantity in the pan. > > So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing > remains before starting the motor. > > Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil > pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working > fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. > > Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there > a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? > > Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit > do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be > using?? > > I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing > much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it > should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very > helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated > ...... > > Thanks .... > > Mike > Not sure about the gasket but with only 55,000 miles I wouldn't worry about the oil pump, make sure the screen is clean but that's about it. Those pumps spend their whole lives immersed in oil and they don't wear very much unless you never change the oil. If you plan on doing much wrenching it might be worth your while to invest in a shop manual, it will have details like what kind of sealer you should use. Jeff DeWitt |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Dec 31, 3:37 pm, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> m...@murklagoon.com wrote: > > A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to > > get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) > > > However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the > > dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke > > off an unknown quantity in the pan. > > > So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing > > remains before starting the motor. > > > Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil > > pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working > > fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. > > > Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there > > a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? > > > Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit > > do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be > > using?? > > > I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing > > much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it > > should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very > > helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated > > ...... > > > Thanks .... > > > Mike > > Not sure about the gasket but with only 55,000 miles I wouldn't worry > about the oil pump, make sure the screen is clean but that's about it. > Those pumps spend their whole lives immersed in oil and they don't wear > very much unless you never change the oil. > > If you plan on doing much wrenching it might be worth your while to > invest in a shop manual, it will have details like what kind of sealer > you should use. > > Jeff DeWitt- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - What would an oil analysis be used for? I have never heard of that. Greg |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
<mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message news:k01in3ht4hv5880aha7c0u626gffiuivvf@4ax.com... >A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to > get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) > Why not just pull the plug and catch a little, then put the plug back in? Or, take the filter off and pour some oil out, then put it back on? Or, disconnect the oil pipe on the side of the filter mount, crank the motor over a couple of times, then reconnect the pipe? These are three easier ways to get oil out of a motor than trying to suck it out through the dip stick hole. > However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the > dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke > off an unknown quantity in the pan. > Any plastic that small would get pulverized, and trapped inside the filter. I'd suggest that this is not the serious problem yo are worried about. |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
jerryg wrote:
> On Dec 31, 3:37 pm, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote: > >>m...@murklagoon.com wrote: >> >>>A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >>>get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >> >>>However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >>>dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >>>off an unknown quantity in the pan. >> >>>So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing >>>remains before starting the motor. >> >>>Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil >>>pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working >>>fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. >> >>>Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there >>>a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? >> >>>Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit >>>do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be >>>using?? >> >>>I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing >>>much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it >>>should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very >>>helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated >>>...... >> >>>Thanks .... >> >>>Mike >> >>Not sure about the gasket but with only 55,000 miles I wouldn't worry >>about the oil pump, make sure the screen is clean but that's about it. >>Those pumps spend their whole lives immersed in oil and they don't wear >>very much unless you never change the oil. >> >>If you plan on doing much wrenching it might be worth your while to >>invest in a shop manual, it will have details like what kind of sealer >>you should use. >> >>Jeff DeWitt- Hide quoted text - >> >>- Show quoted text - > > > What would an oil analysis be used for? I have never heard of that. > > Greg It's used to determine what contaminates are in the oil. Those tests can be really useful to tell if the engine is running too rich, showing excessive wear, has an internal coolant leak, poor ventilation and a bunch of other useful things. The oil is like the engines blood and if anything is wrong it will show up in the oil. Jeff DeWitt |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
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God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:----------@----------.com http://www.----------.com/jeep_bookmark.htm "jerryg" <Gregginn7@msn.com> wrote in message news:9e3c5a9c-0bb1-41a2-bbf1-50bd37b759f9@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > >What would an oil analysis be used for? I have never heard of that. > >Greg -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
Not to worry, all oil pick up tubes have a screen on them:
http://www.aa1car.com/library/oil_screen_sludge.jpg Next oil change, rake it out the drain hole. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:----------@----------.com http://www.----------.com/jeep_bookmark.htm <mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message news:k01in3ht4hv5880aha7c0u626gffiuivvf@4ax.com... > A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to > get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) > > However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the > dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke > off an unknown quantity in the pan. > > So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing > remains before starting the motor. > > Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil > pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working > fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. > > Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there > a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? > > Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit > do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be > using?? > > I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing > much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it > should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very > helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated > ...... > > Thanks .... > > Mike > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:17:49 -0800, L.W.(ßill)------ III wrote:
> rake it out the drain hole. The voice of experience. I'll bet you know more about drain-holes than anyone here. -- An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does the truth become error because nobody will see it. -Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948) |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net whose only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man. That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic psychopath forged up names? You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraphs it fits so well! But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca, security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net for forgery. Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy posted on an auto picture group at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements, but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave it, so keep the f*ck out! Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you. Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020 YOU NEED HELP! The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and anything. Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place. I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or LW------@------.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S. Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!! You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way a girlie, ------ writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO> And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your pursuing fag names, as fake as you. Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW really are!!!!! God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you old 24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO> Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your language, and pornography in an original post. I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-) SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward the loser. God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a fool out of you over, and over again: http://www.----------.com/temp/giganews.jpg You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way a girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:----------@----------.com http://www.----------.com/jeep_bookmark.htm "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message news:pan.2007.12.31.22.31.06.989270@trepanation.ca lm... > > The voice of experience. > > I'll bet you know more about drain-holes than anyone here. > > > -- |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pimp?
Well, so much for compliments.....
You are /really/ losing it, Billieboi. Seriously so. Push it much further, and something in your head is going to go "BOOM !!!" and we'll be reading about it and you in the newspaper or see the results on TV. You can't go too much further without a major crack-up. And your family won't help you, either. They are as sick of you as we are. A sad and pathetic way to check out, I'd say. And it WILL happen. And still, nobody reads your crap. And still, you don't even see it. And no, nobody will even remember you. Not one soul on earth will miss you, and most won't even notice your final departure. And somewhere deep inside, you know I'm speaking the truth. You really should listen more to your Doctor. He's here to help you, Billie, so you won't go berserk anymore. And maybe the voices would go away as well. > This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak > jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft > dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via > S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I > killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127 > s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net whose only way to get attention is to > make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary > school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on > responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats, > where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other > perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my > documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California > surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over > many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a > little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, > me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, > you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your > statement like a man. > That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's > the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic > psychopath forged up names? > You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same > paragraphs it fits so well! > But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca, > security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org, > admin@cox.net for forgery. > Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy > posted on an auto picture group at: > news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com > I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements, > but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on > Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and > that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the > United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just > too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave > it, so keep the f*ck out! > Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you! > YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and > someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant > with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you. > Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020 > YOU NEED HELP! > The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards > You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and > anything. > Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up > and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your > arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place. > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: > shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net > intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT > Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly > email -------------------- or LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S. > Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!! > You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way > a girlie, ------ writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of > extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO> > And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your > pursuing fag names, as fake as you. > Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, > alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW > really are!!!!! > God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep > following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador > gibberish/babbling > Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you > old 24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO> > Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your > language, and pornography in an original post. > I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so > as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-) > SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man > would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward > the loser. > God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I > wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a > fool out of you over, and over again: > http://www.----------.com/temp/giganews.jpg > You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way > a girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority! > <ROTFLMAO> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:----------@----------.com > http://www.----------.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > > > "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message > news:pan.2007.12.31.22.31.06.989270@trepanation.ca lm... >> >> The voice of experience. >> >> I'll bet you know more about drain-holes than anyone here. >> >> >> -- -- An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does the truth become error because nobody will see it. -Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948) |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Dec 31 2007, 11:20 am, m...@murklagoon.com wrote:
> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to > get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) > > However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the > dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke > off an unknown quantity in the pan. > > So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing > remains before starting the motor. > > Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil > pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working > fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. > > Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there > a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? > > Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit > do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be > using?? > > I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing > much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it > should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very > helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated > ...... > > Thanks .... > > Mike Mike, For #2, Napa sells a one piece gasket that works pretty good. I put one on when I changed engines. No sealer required, which means you won't need to replace it if you need to drop the oil pan again. Michael |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:37:34 -0500, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
wrote: * snip * >Not sure about the gasket but with only 55,000 miles I wouldn't worry >about the oil pump, make sure the screen is clean but that's about it. >Those pumps spend their whole lives immersed in oil and they don't wear >very much unless you never change the oil. Agree. But its sure easy to do if the pan is already off. So I just thought I'd see if anybody had a different view. > >If you plan on doing much wrenching it might be worth your while to >invest in a shop manual, it will have details like what kind of sealer >you should use. Agree. Very good advice. And I actually do have the factory manual as sold to consumers, came in two volumes. I bought this CJ8 new in 1982 and had the manual before I had the Scrambler Alas, it does not 'have details" on this question. And the manual, in this case, only works with knowledge and materials available <> 25 years ago; a lot has changed in materials, sealers, gaskets, etc. since 1982. Therefore the question. Mike > >Jeff DeWitt |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:44:00 -0500, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
wrote: *snip* >It's used to determine what contaminates are in the oil. Those tests >can be really useful to tell if the engine is running too rich, showing >excessive wear, has an internal coolant leak, poor ventilation and a >bunch of other useful things. Yes, that's it. Learn info about the engine as much as about the oil. In fact I use synthetic and change it often so I don't really even think about the oil; its what's going on to the engine itself that I want to know about. (One of the results reported where I test includes antifreeze levels. Detecting internal coolant leaks early -- hopefully before you see obvious signes -- is a VERY good thing.) Plus if you keep a vehicle over time (in this case <> 25 years) it lets you see changes in the motor's condition as it wears over time. I can pull out the results and look from early on. Also often used by people purchasing high-end used vehicles; actually a good thing to do if purchasing any used vehicle to assess the engines condition because there are a lot of 'sins' that can be revealed. An interesting aside -- if leaded fuel was ever run in the engine for any period of time the oil analysis will show increased levels of lead from what would be expected. Normally that higher lead concentration would indicate specific problems with the engine if the engine had never used leaded gas and the lead was coming from wear. I'm not an expert here for certain, but I've been told the excellent lubricating properties of lead from leaded fuel that leaked past the rings sort of embeds itself in the cylinder walls -- in this situation sort of providing enhanced lubrication. Mike > >The oil is like the engines blood and if anything is wrong it will show >up in the oil. > >Jeff DeWitt |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:15:27 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote: > ><mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message >news:k01in3ht4hv5880aha7c0u626gffiuivvf@4ax.com.. . >>A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >> > >Why not just pull the plug and catch a little, then put the plug back in? That's what I've always done .. until the spinal cord injury. Now I have difficulty working under any vehicle. After the injury I started thinking of alternative way of doing lots of things. 30+ years working in Underwater Archaeology and Scientific Diving living around expensive boats where it is not possible to get underneath engines and watching high-end car dealers siphon oil from dipsticks made me start thinking. So I did a little research, thought I'd try it and got a tank that uses air from my compressorto pull the oil out that way. Haven't actually tried it on the CJ8 yet because when the problem occurred I pulled the plug and let it drain. This method did not work on my TrailBlazer because I couldn't get the siphon tube far enough down in the engine; seemed to work well on a1999 Mercedes and my 1990 Cherokee. I'm defining 'work well' as it appeared to get just as much oil out of the engine as I got before with the draining method. Always trying new ways of doing old things .. any other opinions of course appreciated. Mike > >Or, take the filter off and pour some oil out, then put it back on? > >Or, disconnect the oil pipe on the side of the filter mount, crank the motor >over a couple of times, then reconnect the pipe? > >These are three easier ways to get oil out of a motor than trying to suck it >out through the dip stick hole. > > > > >> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >> off an unknown quantity in the pan. >> > >Any plastic that small would get pulverized, and trapped inside the filter. >I'd suggest that this is not the serious problem yo are worried about. > > |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:17:49 -0800, "------------------------ III"
<----------@----------.com> wrote: > Not to worry, all oil pick up tubes have a screen on them: Bill, I thought of that. But then began wondering what about the possibility/likelihood that this errant piece of plastic could somehow hurt the bottom end of the engine (crank, bearings, etc.)? Or over time melt/deteriorate and do something like this?? Mike >http://www.aa1car.com/library/oil_screen_sludge.jpg >Next oil change, rake it out the drain hole. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:----------@----------.com > http://www.----------.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > > ><mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message >news:k01in3ht4hv5880aha7c0u626gffiuivvf@4ax.com.. . >> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >> >> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >> off an unknown quantity in the pan. >> >> So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing >> remains before starting the motor. >> >> Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil >> pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working >> fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. >> >> Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there >> a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? >> >> Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit >> do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be >> using?? >> >> I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing >> much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it >> should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very >> helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated >> ...... >> >> Thanks .... >> >> Mike >> |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:14:30 -0800 (PST), michael.white@charter.net
wrote: ** snip ** >> Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit >> do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be >> using?? >> ** snip ** >For #2, Napa sells a one piece gasket that works pretty good. I put >one on when I changed engines. No sealer required, which means you >won't need to replace it if you need to drop the oil pan again. If that's really all there is to it you've probably helped me make up my mind on what to do. Probably off to NAPA later. Any 'gotcha's"? Any particular problems or suggestions?? Mike > >Michael |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message
news:vsfsn35v36cfhcpg1vr34tcviijemcfvo5@4ax.com... > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:14:30 -0800 (PST), michael.white@charter.net > wrote: > ** snip ** > > Any 'gotcha's"? Any particular problems or suggestions?? > > Mike > >> >>Michael Before I went through all the trouble of pulling the pan on a motor that has 55K on it, assuming it has no pan leaks, I'd be pulling the drain plug and dip stick tube to "look" for the plastic tube. Get one of those retractable claw pick up tools and do some fishing: http://www.redboxtools.com/detail.cfm?productID=1521 Your tube 'should' be in the bottom end of the pan anyhow... PaulinVA |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
If you are able to do an oil change, then you care able to pull the drain
plug and catch a sample. If you are not able to change the oil, then the shop where you go for an oil change can capture a sample for you. Either way, you avoid getting foreign objects broken off inside the crankcase. Good luck. <mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message news:f5esn3hbipjohruvnp06j67jduq2po8aal@4ax.com... > On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:15:27 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" > <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote: > >> >><mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message >>news:k01in3ht4hv5880aha7c0u626gffiuivvf@4ax.com. .. >>>A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >>> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >>> >> >>Why not just pull the plug and catch a little, then put the plug back in? > That's what I've always done .. until the spinal cord injury. Now I > have difficulty working under any vehicle. > > After the injury I started thinking of alternative way of doing lots > of things. > > 30+ years working in Underwater Archaeology and Scientific Diving > living around expensive boats where it is not possible to get > underneath engines and watching high-end car dealers siphon oil from > dipsticks made me start thinking. So I did a little research, thought > I'd try it and got a tank that uses air from my compressorto pull the > oil out that way. > > Haven't actually tried it on the CJ8 yet because when the problem > occurred I pulled the plug and let it drain. This method did not work > on my TrailBlazer because I couldn't get the siphon tube far enough > down in the engine; seemed to work well on a1999 Mercedes and my 1990 > Cherokee. > > I'm defining 'work well' as it appeared to get just as much oil out of > the engine as I got before with the draining method. > > Always trying new ways of doing old things .. any other opinions of > course appreciated. > > Mike >> >>Or, take the filter off and pour some oil out, then put it back on? >> >>Or, disconnect the oil pipe on the side of the filter mount, crank the >>motor >>over a couple of times, then reconnect the pipe? >> >>These are three easier ways to get oil out of a motor than trying to suck >>it >>out through the dip stick hole. >> >> >> >> >>> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >>> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >>> off an unknown quantity in the pan. >>> >> >>Any plastic that small would get pulverized, and trapped inside the >>filter. >>I'd suggest that this is not the serious problem yo are worried about. >> >> |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
Jeff,
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:22:07 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote: >If you are able to do an oil change, then you care able to pull the drain >plug and catch a sample. If you are not able to change the oil, then the >shop where you go for an oil change can capture a sample for you. > You are correct, of course and that's what I've always done ---- until this time. I can still manage to get underneath and work when I have to .. but as with a couple of longtime most helpful and most knowledgeable others here on this group who have had physical injury I've got to learn to adapt when I can. (You guys know who I'm talking about .. maybe we should start a thread on how to mechanic when injured?!) And of course one of the reasons I bought and kept as original owner a 90 Cherokee and 82 Scrambler is because I like to mechanic. I also have quite a few other people who've grown to count on me too ... so if this new method works I will be happier. And I am cursed with limitless curiosity so I'm always looking for new and different and (maybe)better ways to do things. >Either way, you avoid getting foreign objects broken off inside the >crankcase. > You are very correct here too, of course. In this particular instance a friend tried to do this for me. My solution in the future is to do it myself. The second reason I do it myself is that I've found very few mechanics (and I was one at a very good Dealership years ago before "mechanics" became "technicians") who can afford to take the time and care and effort that I do and still make a good living. Thank goodness for this group and helpful, mostly VERY helpful folks here! Because I can ask things I don't know; or about things that have changed. So you are really very much appreciated by me. >Good luck. Thanks .... Mike > > ><mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message >news:f5esn3hbipjohruvnp06j67jduq2po8aal@4ax.com.. . >> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:15:27 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" >> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> >>><mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message >>>news:k01in3ht4hv5880aha7c0u626gffiuivvf@4ax.com ... >>>>A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >>>> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >>>> >>> >>>Why not just pull the plug and catch a little, then put the plug back in? >> That's what I've always done .. until the spinal cord injury. Now I >> have difficulty working under any vehicle. >> >> After the injury I started thinking of alternative way of doing lots >> of things. >> >> 30+ years working in Underwater Archaeology and Scientific Diving >> living around expensive boats where it is not possible to get >> underneath engines and watching high-end car dealers siphon oil from >> dipsticks made me start thinking. So I did a little research, thought >> I'd try it and got a tank that uses air from my compressorto pull the >> oil out that way. >> >> Haven't actually tried it on the CJ8 yet because when the problem >> occurred I pulled the plug and let it drain. This method did not work >> on my TrailBlazer because I couldn't get the siphon tube far enough >> down in the engine; seemed to work well on a1999 Mercedes and my 1990 >> Cherokee. >> >> I'm defining 'work well' as it appeared to get just as much oil out of >> the engine as I got before with the draining method. >> >> Always trying new ways of doing old things .. any other opinions of >> course appreciated. >> >> Mike >>> >>>Or, take the filter off and pour some oil out, then put it back on? >>> >>>Or, disconnect the oil pipe on the side of the filter mount, crank the >>>motor >>>over a couple of times, then reconnect the pipe? >>> >>>These are three easier ways to get oil out of a motor than trying to suck >>>it >>>out through the dip stick hole. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >>>> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >>>> off an unknown quantity in the pan. >>>> >>> >>>Any plastic that small would get pulverized, and trapped inside the >>>filter. >>>I'd suggest that this is not the serious problem yo are worried about. >>> >>> |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:14:30 -0800 (PST), michael.white@charter.net
wrote: OK thanks for the update on the one piece gasket .. I got the one piece gasket (NAPA folks including their regional manager didn't even know they exist). Got under .. observed that I need to pull the starter; pulled, no big deal. Now the "engine mount"; Need just a little more clearance and I see it has to come off or at the very least come loose .. so I read the Factory manual and do some Internet searching -- lots of suggestions. One person even uses an engine lift. The Jeep manual seems to be the easiest way .. though I don't see how it could actually work without doing damage while the Left mount is remains attached. That "Official" Jeep CJ8 manual says: "(a) Place jack under transmission." "(b) Disconnect engine right support cushion bracket from block and raise engine to allow sufficient clearance for oil pan removal." "Remove oil plan." So I do all that and VERY TENTATIVELY place my good floor jack under the transmission; lift the jack until it has slight pressure on the tranny. Then I applied a little pressure, a little more, then just a little more. The jack definitely has taken a load; but absolutely no sign of movement at the right engine mount. (Should I jack up some more??) So I stop; leaving the jack under the transmission. I decide I must have to actually remove the mount .. so I remove the cross-brace and the mount to frame bolts (jack to tranny still holding pressure). Then I say .. whoa, think this through. I reread some of the Internet posts and see that at least a couple use a 2/4 board under the front crank pulley for safety. (I guess they put that there after the mount is removed?) Then I think about how much problem it 'might' be to realign the engine/ engine mount/frame. Didn't see a mention of doing anything with the left motor mount. One person mentioned putting the jack under the oil pan with a 2X4 piece of wood for a cushion .. don't see how that works because the jack would have to come off with the motor mount removed in order to remove the pan itself. This cannot be this difficult, can it?? So now I return again to this group for expertise and to learn how to do it right without damaging the CJ (or myself). Please .. how do I do this correctly. Please, please .. do it for me like a ** How to R&R the right front motor mount on a CJ8 in order to R&R the oil Pan gasket". I have pressure on me to have this CJ running by Friday and crunch time is now here?! Thanks ...... >On Dec 31 2007, 11:20 am, m...@murklagoon.com wrote: >> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >> >> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >> off an unknown quantity in the pan. >> >> So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing >> remains before starting the motor. >> >> Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil >> pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working >> fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. >> >> Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there >> a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? >> >> Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit >> do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be >> using?? >> >> I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing >> much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it >> should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very >> helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated >> ...... >> >> Thanks .... >> >> Mike > >Mike, > >For #2, Napa sells a one piece gasket that works pretty good. I put >one on when I changed engines. No sealer required, which means you >won't need to replace it if you need to drop the oil pan again. > >Michael |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
You are doing it correctly, you just have to keep on jacking.
You have to unload the front springs before the engine will lift off the mount, so that is up a ways and because it is a three point system, it will drop back in place pretty well. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com mp@murklagoon.com wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:14:30 -0800 (PST), michael.white@charter.net > wrote: > > OK thanks for the update on the one piece gasket .. I got the one > piece gasket (NAPA folks including their regional manager didn't even > know they exist). > > Got under .. observed that I need to pull the starter; pulled, no big > deal. > > Now the "engine mount"; Need just a little more clearance and I see > it has to come off or at the very least come loose .. so I read the > Factory manual and do some Internet searching -- lots of suggestions. > One person even uses an engine lift. > > The Jeep manual seems to be the easiest way .. though I don't see how > it could actually work without doing damage while the Left mount is > remains attached. That "Official" Jeep CJ8 manual says: > "(a) Place jack under transmission." > "(b) Disconnect engine right support cushion bracket from block and > raise engine to allow sufficient clearance for oil pan removal." > > "Remove oil plan." > > So I do all that and VERY TENTATIVELY place my good floor jack under > the transmission; lift the jack until it has slight pressure on the > tranny. Then I applied a little pressure, a little more, then just a > little more. The jack definitely has taken a load; but absolutely no > sign of movement at the right engine mount. (Should I jack up some > more??) > > So I stop; leaving the jack under the transmission. > > I decide I must have to actually remove the mount .. so I remove the > cross-brace and the mount to frame bolts (jack to tranny still holding > pressure). Then I say .. whoa, think this through. > > I reread some of the Internet posts and see that at least a couple use > a 2/4 board under the front crank pulley for safety. (I guess they > put that there after the mount is removed?) Then I think about how > much problem it 'might' be to realign the engine/ engine mount/frame. > Didn't see a mention of doing anything with the left motor mount. One > person mentioned putting the jack under the oil pan with a 2X4 piece > of wood for a cushion .. don't see how that works because the jack > would have to come off with the motor mount removed in order to remove > the pan itself. > > This cannot be this difficult, can it?? > > So now I return again to this group for expertise and to learn how to > do it right without damaging the CJ (or myself). > > Please .. how do I do this correctly. Please, please .. do it for me > like a ** How to R&R the right front motor mount on a CJ8 in order to > R&R the oil Pan gasket". > > I have pressure on me to have this CJ running by Friday and crunch > time is now here?! > > Thanks ...... > >> On Dec 31 2007, 11:20 am, m...@murklagoon.com wrote: >>> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >>> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >>> >>> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >>> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >>> off an unknown quantity in the pan. >>> >>> So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing >>> remains before starting the motor. >>> >>> Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil >>> pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working >>> fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. >>> >>> Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there >>> a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? >>> >>> Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit >>> do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be >>> using?? >>> >>> I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing >>> much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it >>> should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very >>> helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated >>> ...... >>> >>> Thanks .... >>> >>> Mike >> Mike, >> >> For #2, Napa sells a one piece gasket that works pretty good. I put >> one on when I changed engines. No sealer required, which means you >> won't need to replace it if you need to drop the oil pan again. >> >> Michael |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:14:22 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: Mike, >You are doing it correctly, you just have to keep on jacking. > >You have to unload the front springs before the engine will lift off the >mount, so that is up a ways and because it is a three point system, it >will drop back in place pretty well. > Unloading the front springs makes great sense; but would also seem to require a lot of force on the jack/transmission and transmission/engine connections. ] So if I keep jacking up on the transmission, with the engine still restrained with the fixed left mount but 'free' from the normally fixed right mount .. then the engine will actually 'rotate' up enough to give me room to work prior to any damage to anything?? All I have to do is make certain the engine is not 'fixed' to the right mount. And this will not damage the transmission,engine or the still fixed left mount? I sure don't want to hurt the CJ, of course .. nor me?! Mike >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build >Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com > >mp@murklagoon.com wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:14:30 -0800 (PST), michael.white@charter.net >> wrote: >> >> OK thanks for the update on the one piece gasket .. I got the one >> piece gasket (NAPA folks including their regional manager didn't even >> know they exist). >> >> Got under .. observed that I need to pull the starter; pulled, no big >> deal. >> >> Now the "engine mount"; Need just a little more clearance and I see >> it has to come off or at the very least come loose .. so I read the >> Factory manual and do some Internet searching -- lots of suggestions. >> One person even uses an engine lift. >> >> The Jeep manual seems to be the easiest way .. though I don't see how >> it could actually work without doing damage while the Left mount is >> remains attached. That "Official" Jeep CJ8 manual says: >> "(a) Place jack under transmission." >> "(b) Disconnect engine right support cushion bracket from block and >> raise engine to allow sufficient clearance for oil pan removal." >> >> "Remove oil plan." >> >> So I do all that and VERY TENTATIVELY place my good floor jack under >> the transmission; lift the jack until it has slight pressure on the >> tranny. Then I applied a little pressure, a little more, then just a >> little more. The jack definitely has taken a load; but absolutely no >> sign of movement at the right engine mount. (Should I jack up some >> more??) >> >> So I stop; leaving the jack under the transmission. >> >> I decide I must have to actually remove the mount .. so I remove the >> cross-brace and the mount to frame bolts (jack to tranny still holding >> pressure). Then I say .. whoa, think this through. >> >> I reread some of the Internet posts and see that at least a couple use >> a 2/4 board under the front crank pulley for safety. (I guess they >> put that there after the mount is removed?) Then I think about how >> much problem it 'might' be to realign the engine/ engine mount/frame. >> Didn't see a mention of doing anything with the left motor mount. One >> person mentioned putting the jack under the oil pan with a 2X4 piece >> of wood for a cushion .. don't see how that works because the jack >> would have to come off with the motor mount removed in order to remove >> the pan itself. >> >> This cannot be this difficult, can it?? >> >> So now I return again to this group for expertise and to learn how to >> do it right without damaging the CJ (or myself). >> >> Please .. how do I do this correctly. Please, please .. do it for me >> like a ** How to R&R the right front motor mount on a CJ8 in order to >> R&R the oil Pan gasket". >> >> I have pressure on me to have this CJ running by Friday and crunch >> time is now here?! >> >> Thanks ...... >> >>> On Dec 31 2007, 11:20 am, m...@murklagoon.com wrote: >>>> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >>>> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >>>> >>>> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >>>> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >>>> off an unknown quantity in the pan. >>>> >>>> So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing >>>> remains before starting the motor. >>>> >>>> Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil >>>> pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working >>>> fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. >>>> >>>> Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there >>>> a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? >>>> >>>> Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit >>>> do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be >>>> using?? >>>> >>>> I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing >>>> much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it >>>> should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very >>>> helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated >>>> ...... >>>> >>>> Thanks .... >>>> >>>> Mike >>> Mike, >>> >>> For #2, Napa sells a one piece gasket that works pretty good. I put >>> one on when I changed engines. No sealer required, which means you >>> won't need to replace it if you need to drop the oil pan again. >>> >>> Michael |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
Yes. There are two plates, one on the engine side and one on the
'cushion' or rubber mount that just lift apart. A spray with penetrating oil can't hurt. I have done it too many times because I kept tearing the engine mounts to pieces when I was mud bogging and pit wall running with my tall skinny 33X9.5's that just don't spin. I still break them on our twisty trails, but not as often. I had to use a 2x4 plate on top of my jack grabber plate to reach with my 33's and 3" lift. Mike mp@murklagoon.com wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:14:22 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > > Mike, > >> You are doing it correctly, you just have to keep on jacking. >> >> You have to unload the front springs before the engine will lift off the >> mount, so that is up a ways and because it is a three point system, it >> will drop back in place pretty well. >> > > Unloading the front springs makes great sense; but would also seem to > require a lot of force on the jack/transmission and > transmission/engine connections. > ] > So if I keep jacking up on the transmission, with the engine still > restrained with the fixed left mount but 'free' from the normally > fixed right mount .. then the engine will actually 'rotate' up enough > to give me room to work prior to any damage to anything?? > > All I have to do is make certain the engine is not 'fixed' to the > right mount. > > And this will not damage the transmission,engine or the still fixed > left mount? > > I sure don't want to hurt the CJ, of course .. nor me?! > > Mike > >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build >> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com >> >> mp@murklagoon.com wrote: >>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:14:30 -0800 (PST), michael.white@charter.net >>> wrote: >>> >>> OK thanks for the update on the one piece gasket .. I got the one >>> piece gasket (NAPA folks including their regional manager didn't even >>> know they exist). >>> >>> Got under .. observed that I need to pull the starter; pulled, no big >>> deal. >>> >>> Now the "engine mount"; Need just a little more clearance and I see >>> it has to come off or at the very least come loose .. so I read the >>> Factory manual and do some Internet searching -- lots of suggestions. >>> One person even uses an engine lift. >>> >>> The Jeep manual seems to be the easiest way .. though I don't see how >>> it could actually work without doing damage while the Left mount is >>> remains attached. That "Official" Jeep CJ8 manual says: >>> "(a) Place jack under transmission." >>> "(b) Disconnect engine right support cushion bracket from block and >>> raise engine to allow sufficient clearance for oil pan removal." >>> >>> "Remove oil plan." >>> >>> So I do all that and VERY TENTATIVELY place my good floor jack under >>> the transmission; lift the jack until it has slight pressure on the >>> tranny. Then I applied a little pressure, a little more, then just a >>> little more. The jack definitely has taken a load; but absolutely no >>> sign of movement at the right engine mount. (Should I jack up some >>> more??) >>> >>> So I stop; leaving the jack under the transmission. >>> >>> I decide I must have to actually remove the mount .. so I remove the >>> cross-brace and the mount to frame bolts (jack to tranny still holding >>> pressure). Then I say .. whoa, think this through. >>> >>> I reread some of the Internet posts and see that at least a couple use >>> a 2/4 board under the front crank pulley for safety. (I guess they >>> put that there after the mount is removed?) Then I think about how >>> much problem it 'might' be to realign the engine/ engine mount/frame. >>> Didn't see a mention of doing anything with the left motor mount. One >>> person mentioned putting the jack under the oil pan with a 2X4 piece >>> of wood for a cushion .. don't see how that works because the jack >>> would have to come off with the motor mount removed in order to remove >>> the pan itself. >>> >>> This cannot be this difficult, can it?? >>> >>> So now I return again to this group for expertise and to learn how to >>> do it right without damaging the CJ (or myself). >>> >>> Please .. how do I do this correctly. Please, please .. do it for me >>> like a ** How to R&R the right front motor mount on a CJ8 in order to >>> R&R the oil Pan gasket". >>> >>> I have pressure on me to have this CJ running by Friday and crunch >>> time is now here?! >>> >>> Thanks ...... >>> >>>> On Dec 31 2007, 11:20 am, m...@murklagoon.com wrote: >>>>> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >>>>> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >>>>> >>>>> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >>>>> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >>>>> off an unknown quantity in the pan. >>>>> >>>>> So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing >>>>> remains before starting the motor. >>>>> >>>>> Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil >>>>> pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working >>>>> fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. >>>>> >>>>> Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there >>>>> a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? >>>>> >>>>> Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit >>>>> do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be >>>>> using?? >>>>> >>>>> I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing >>>>> much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it >>>>> should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very >>>>> helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated >>>>> ...... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks .... >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>> Mike, >>>> >>>> For #2, Napa sells a one piece gasket that works pretty good. I put >>>> one on when I changed engines. No sealer required, which means you >>>> won't need to replace it if you need to drop the oil pan again. >>>> >>>> Michael |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:50:24 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >Yes. There are two plates, one on the engine side and one on the >'cushion' or rubber mount that just lift apart. A spray with >penetrating oil can't hurt. > Then that leads to, I hope to my last question/confirmation. People have been all over the map with what must be removed; from everything including the support bar to everything; and the 82 Factory Jeep manual says to "Disconnect engine right support cushion bracket from block" (which is about the only bolts on the right mount I've not yet touched, rather not.). Which I assume means those bolts from the mount into the block?? So exactly what bolts do I "really" need to remove? From the block itself, or as I think you are saying here just two bolts; one that is the bolt that is itself in the way causing the problems for dropping the pan and one bolt on the opposite side of the mount from the top down?? >I have done it too many times because I kept tearing the engine mounts >to pieces when I was mud bogging and pit wall running with my tall >skinny 33X9.5's that just don't spin. I still break them on our twisty >trails, but not as often. > Nothing like experience, huh?? Bet it doesn't take you very long to do this any more??? >I had to use a 2x4 plate on top of my jack grabber plate to reach with >my 33's and 3" lift. > Only slightly lifted, as you might remember .. and in a garage in Florida with a good floor jack. Though I'm tempted to put a wood block between the jack and transmission just to provide a little cushion. When I get this answer from you I plan to GoFerIt!! Even though we are located a long way from each other; tomorrow (Thursday) you will likely hear a shout of joy; or a scream of grief. No?? Thanks ...... Mike >Mike > >mp@murklagoon.com wrote: >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:14:22 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >> wrote: >> >> Mike, >> >>> You are doing it correctly, you just have to keep on jacking. >>> >>> You have to unload the front springs before the engine will lift off the >>> mount, so that is up a ways and because it is a three point system, it >>> will drop back in place pretty well. >>> >> >> Unloading the front springs makes great sense; but would also seem to >> require a lot of force on the jack/transmission and >> transmission/engine connections. >> ] >> So if I keep jacking up on the transmission, with the engine still >> restrained with the fixed left mount but 'free' from the normally >> fixed right mount .. then the engine will actually 'rotate' up enough >> to give me room to work prior to any damage to anything?? >> >> All I have to do is make certain the engine is not 'fixed' to the >> right mount. >> >> And this will not damage the transmission,engine or the still fixed >> left mount? >> >> I sure don't want to hurt the CJ, of course .. nor me?! >> >> Mike >> >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build >>> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com >>> >>> mp@murklagoon.com wrote: >>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:14:30 -0800 (PST), michael.white@charter.net >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> OK thanks for the update on the one piece gasket .. I got the one >>>> piece gasket (NAPA folks including their regional manager didn't even >>>> know they exist). >>>> >>>> Got under .. observed that I need to pull the starter; pulled, no big >>>> deal. >>>> >>>> Now the "engine mount"; Need just a little more clearance and I see >>>> it has to come off or at the very least come loose .. so I read the >>>> Factory manual and do some Internet searching -- lots of suggestions. >>>> One person even uses an engine lift. >>>> >>>> The Jeep manual seems to be the easiest way .. though I don't see how >>>> it could actually work without doing damage while the Left mount is >>>> remains attached. That "Official" Jeep CJ8 manual says: >>>> "(a) Place jack under transmission." >>>> "(b) Disconnect engine right support cushion bracket from block and >>>> raise engine to allow sufficient clearance for oil pan removal." >>>> >>>> "Remove oil plan." >>>> >>>> So I do all that and VERY TENTATIVELY place my good floor jack under >>>> the transmission; lift the jack until it has slight pressure on the >>>> tranny. Then I applied a little pressure, a little more, then just a >>>> little more. The jack definitely has taken a load; but absolutely no >>>> sign of movement at the right engine mount. (Should I jack up some >>>> more??) >>>> >>>> So I stop; leaving the jack under the transmission. >>>> >>>> I decide I must have to actually remove the mount .. so I remove the >>>> cross-brace and the mount to frame bolts (jack to tranny still holding >>>> pressure). Then I say .. whoa, think this through. >>>> >>>> I reread some of the Internet posts and see that at least a couple use >>>> a 2/4 board under the front crank pulley for safety. (I guess they >>>> put that there after the mount is removed?) Then I think about how >>>> much problem it 'might' be to realign the engine/ engine mount/frame. >>>> Didn't see a mention of doing anything with the left motor mount. One >>>> person mentioned putting the jack under the oil pan with a 2X4 piece >>>> of wood for a cushion .. don't see how that works because the jack >>>> would have to come off with the motor mount removed in order to remove >>>> the pan itself. >>>> >>>> This cannot be this difficult, can it?? >>>> >>>> So now I return again to this group for expertise and to learn how to >>>> do it right without damaging the CJ (or myself). >>>> >>>> Please .. how do I do this correctly. Please, please .. do it for me >>>> like a ** How to R&R the right front motor mount on a CJ8 in order to >>>> R&R the oil Pan gasket". >>>> >>>> I have pressure on me to have this CJ running by Friday and crunch >>>> time is now here?! >>>> >>>> Thanks ...... >>>> >>>>> On Dec 31 2007, 11:20 am, m...@murklagoon.com wrote: >>>>>> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >>>>>> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >>>>>> >>>>>> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >>>>>> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >>>>>> off an unknown quantity in the pan. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing >>>>>> remains before starting the motor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil >>>>>> pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working >>>>>> fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. >>>>>> >>>>>> Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there >>>>>> a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit >>>>>> do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be >>>>>> using?? >>>>>> >>>>>> I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing >>>>>> much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it >>>>>> should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very >>>>>> helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated >>>>>> ...... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks .... >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>> Mike, >>>>> >>>>> For #2, Napa sells a one piece gasket that works pretty good. I put >>>>> one on when I changed engines. No sealer required, which means you >>>>> won't need to replace it if you need to drop the oil pan again. >>>>> >>>>> Michael |
Re: 1982 CJ8 6cyl Oil Pan gasket/kit? Oil pump?
On the frame side, the rubber mount has a long bolt that goes through
the frame plate. This one is a pain in the butt to try and line up and would need one large person on a 6' bar to make it go back together... On the engine side of the rubber mount, there are just two bolts and nuts and one person with a small pry bar or even an ice pick to square the holes can do it. You can point the bolts either up or down. When I did one, I didn't even remove that mount. I managed to use an open end wrench to get the bolts out from under it. I think it was like a one flat at a time turn. In retrospect, it would have been much faster to loosen the mount and lift the engine. Oh, you can use thread to lightly 'tie' the new gasket to the pan at the corners for installation ease. If the thread bunches the gasket, just cut it before tightening everything down. Mike mp@murklagoon.com wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:50:24 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >> Yes. There are two plates, one on the engine side and one on the >> 'cushion' or rubber mount that just lift apart. A spray with >> penetrating oil can't hurt. >> > Then that leads to, I hope to my last question/confirmation. > > People have been all over the map with what must be removed; from > everything including the support bar to everything; and the 82 Factory > Jeep manual says to "Disconnect engine right support cushion bracket > from block" (which is about the only bolts on the right mount I've not > yet touched, rather not.). Which I assume means those bolts from the > mount into the block?? > > So exactly what bolts do I "really" need to remove? From the block > itself, or as I think you are saying here just two bolts; one that is > the bolt that is itself in the way causing the problems for dropping > the pan and one bolt on the opposite side of the mount from the top > down?? >> I have done it too many times because I kept tearing the engine mounts >> to pieces when I was mud bogging and pit wall running with my tall >> skinny 33X9.5's that just don't spin. I still break them on our twisty >> trails, but not as often. >> > Nothing like experience, huh?? Bet it doesn't take you very long to > do this any more??? > >> I had to use a 2x4 plate on top of my jack grabber plate to reach with >> my 33's and 3" lift. >> > Only slightly lifted, as you might remember .. and in a garage in > Florida with a good floor jack. Though I'm tempted to put a wood > block between the jack and transmission just to provide a little > cushion. > > When I get this answer from you I plan to GoFerIt!! > > Even though we are located a long way from each other; tomorrow > (Thursday) you will likely hear a shout of joy; or a scream of grief. > No?? > > Thanks ...... Mike > > >> Mike >> >> mp@murklagoon.com wrote: >>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:14:22 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>>> You are doing it correctly, you just have to keep on jacking. >>>> >>>> You have to unload the front springs before the engine will lift off the >>>> mount, so that is up a ways and because it is a three point system, it >>>> will drop back in place pretty well. >>>> >>> Unloading the front springs makes great sense; but would also seem to >>> require a lot of force on the jack/transmission and >>> transmission/engine connections. >>> ] >>> So if I keep jacking up on the transmission, with the engine still >>> restrained with the fixed left mount but 'free' from the normally >>> fixed right mount .. then the engine will actually 'rotate' up enough >>> to give me room to work prior to any damage to anything?? >>> >>> All I have to do is make certain the engine is not 'fixed' to the >>> right mount. >>> >>> And this will not damage the transmission,engine or the still fixed >>> left mount? >>> >>> I sure don't want to hurt the CJ, of course .. nor me?! >>> >>> Mike >>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build >>>> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com >>>> >>>> mp@murklagoon.com wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:14:30 -0800 (PST), michael.white@charter.net >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> OK thanks for the update on the one piece gasket .. I got the one >>>>> piece gasket (NAPA folks including their regional manager didn't even >>>>> know they exist). >>>>> >>>>> Got under .. observed that I need to pull the starter; pulled, no big >>>>> deal. >>>>> >>>>> Now the "engine mount"; Need just a little more clearance and I see >>>>> it has to come off or at the very least come loose .. so I read the >>>>> Factory manual and do some Internet searching -- lots of suggestions. >>>>> One person even uses an engine lift. >>>>> >>>>> The Jeep manual seems to be the easiest way .. though I don't see how >>>>> it could actually work without doing damage while the Left mount is >>>>> remains attached. That "Official" Jeep CJ8 manual says: >>>>> "(a) Place jack under transmission." >>>>> "(b) Disconnect engine right support cushion bracket from block and >>>>> raise engine to allow sufficient clearance for oil pan removal." >>>>> >>>>> "Remove oil plan." >>>>> >>>>> So I do all that and VERY TENTATIVELY place my good floor jack under >>>>> the transmission; lift the jack until it has slight pressure on the >>>>> tranny. Then I applied a little pressure, a little more, then just a >>>>> little more. The jack definitely has taken a load; but absolutely no >>>>> sign of movement at the right engine mount. (Should I jack up some >>>>> more??) >>>>> >>>>> So I stop; leaving the jack under the transmission. >>>>> >>>>> I decide I must have to actually remove the mount .. so I remove the >>>>> cross-brace and the mount to frame bolts (jack to tranny still holding >>>>> pressure). Then I say .. whoa, think this through. >>>>> >>>>> I reread some of the Internet posts and see that at least a couple use >>>>> a 2/4 board under the front crank pulley for safety. (I guess they >>>>> put that there after the mount is removed?) Then I think about how >>>>> much problem it 'might' be to realign the engine/ engine mount/frame. >>>>> Didn't see a mention of doing anything with the left motor mount. One >>>>> person mentioned putting the jack under the oil pan with a 2X4 piece >>>>> of wood for a cushion .. don't see how that works because the jack >>>>> would have to come off with the motor mount removed in order to remove >>>>> the pan itself. >>>>> >>>>> This cannot be this difficult, can it?? >>>>> >>>>> So now I return again to this group for expertise and to learn how to >>>>> do it right without damaging the CJ (or myself). >>>>> >>>>> Please .. how do I do this correctly. Please, please .. do it for me >>>>> like a ** How to R&R the right front motor mount on a CJ8 in order to >>>>> R&R the oil Pan gasket". >>>>> >>>>> I have pressure on me to have this CJ running by Friday and crunch >>>>> time is now here?! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks ...... >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 31 2007, 11:20 am, m...@murklagoon.com wrote: >>>>>>> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to >>>>>>> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the >>>>>>> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke >>>>>>> off an unknown quantity in the pan. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing >>>>>>> remains before starting the motor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil >>>>>>> pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working >>>>>>> fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there >>>>>>> a recommended replacement pump/brand/part?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit >>>>>>> do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be >>>>>>> using?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing >>>>>>> much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it >>>>>>> should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very >>>>>>> helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated >>>>>>> ...... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks .... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>> Mike, >>>>>> >>>>>> For #2, Napa sells a one piece gasket that works pretty good. I put >>>>>> one on when I changed engines. No sealer required, which means you >>>>>> won't need to replace it if you need to drop the oil pan again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael |
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