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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Earle Horton wrote:
> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message > news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >> >>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in cards. >>> >>> Earle >>> >> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >> > "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an > initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the driver that > he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in > software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a > gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash and > sticking with the old PCI card. > > Earle > > Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! I am happy. I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >Earle Horton wrote: >> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in cards. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>> >> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the driver that >> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash and >> sticking with the old PCI card. >> >> Earle >> >> > > Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with the >straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! > >I am happy. > >I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the MB's AGP slot. Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help if you haven't seen it already. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >Earle Horton wrote: >> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in cards. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>> >> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the driver that >> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash and >> sticking with the old PCI card. >> >> Earle >> >> > > Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with the >straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! > >I am happy. > >I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the MB's AGP slot. Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help if you haven't seen it already. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >Earle Horton wrote: >> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in cards. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>> >> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the driver that >> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash and >> sticking with the old PCI card. >> >> Earle >> >> > > Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with the >straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! > >I am happy. > >I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the MB's AGP slot. Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help if you haven't seen it already. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >Earle Horton wrote: >> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in cards. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>> >> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the driver that >> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash and >> sticking with the old PCI card. >> >> Earle >> >> > > Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with the >straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! > >I am happy. > >I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the MB's AGP slot. Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help if you haven't seen it already. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
bllsht wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >> Earle Horton wrote: >>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in cards. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>> >>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the driver that >>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash and >>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> >> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with the >> straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >> >> I am happy. >> >> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. > > Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd > suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the > MB's AGP slot. > > Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: > > http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html > > Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help > if you haven't seen it already. Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it is now! Mike > > > >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
bllsht wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >> Earle Horton wrote: >>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in cards. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>> >>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the driver that >>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash and >>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> >> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with the >> straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >> >> I am happy. >> >> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. > > Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd > suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the > MB's AGP slot. > > Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: > > http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html > > Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help > if you haven't seen it already. Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it is now! Mike > > > >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
bllsht wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >> Earle Horton wrote: >>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in cards. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>> >>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the driver that >>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash and >>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> >> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with the >> straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >> >> I am happy. >> >> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. > > Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd > suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the > MB's AGP slot. > > Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: > > http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html > > Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help > if you haven't seen it already. Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it is now! Mike > > > >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
bllsht wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >> Earle Horton wrote: >>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in cards. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>> >>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the driver that >>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash and >>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> >> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with the >> straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >> >> I am happy. >> >> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. > > Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd > suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the > MB's AGP slot. > > Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: > > http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html > > Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help > if you haven't seen it already. Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it is now! Mike > > > >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Not sure if you saw or are ignoring my earlier post but I''ve been
using this free anti virus on all my PCs for 6 month with no problems. I got a new dell laptop in August that came with McCafee, I reformatted to remove all the dell crap and tried this virus scan instead and am very happy with it http://www.avast.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > I delivered the machine back to my b-in-law's house, where he set about > reloading McAfee Internet Security Suite, where upon completion the machine > lost a race with a snail. > > I removed McAfee, again, and the speed is back. We'll be looking for new > protection ... > > The odd thing is, I run McAfee and my computer runs fine. I have an HP > Pavilion, he runs a Great Quality <whatever>. I suppose the difference is > that the Chinese have better motherboards than the Koreans ... > > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:mu6sh.9$2n.1@trndny06... > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:KBPrh.21233$wq.14150@trndny07... > >>I (my brother in law, really) have a computer that has a SERIOUS case of > >>The Slows. It takes FOREVER to open apps, and complete any number of > >>different tasks. > >> > >> It is an off-brand box that came from Fry's (I think). I don't recall > >> what the architecture is, but I'm pretty sure my 286-based laptop was > >> faster. > >> > >> The computer is on its way to my house for a checkout. I'm not sure what > >> my strategy will be. > >> > >> The machine has a valid version of XP Home edition, but I do not know if > >> it has the Restore CD or not. Can I use a different copy of XP to do > >> restore operations? I assume that I have to use the Key Code that is on > >> the computer, not the one that belongs to the copy of XP that I will > >> restore from. > >> > >> Do not hesitate to offer suggestions on what to do ... > >> > > > > I found a couple of legacy programs that should have uninstalled long ago. > > They still remain in the Add or Remove Programs section of the Control > > Panel, and they would not go away from there. I went into the Registry and > > removed all of the "calls" to the errant programs, then I uninstalled > > McAfee Internet Security Suite. Now the machine works like it should. > > Since we last talked, I've loaded a dozen CDs into iTunes (this is a > > project that would have taken days, assuming one would tolerate the pain > > that long). > > > > Somebody here offered up WinASO as a Registry Cleaner. I bought a 5-site > > license and am pleased with the product. Well, as pleased as one can be > > after messing with something for a couple of hours. Thanks for that ... > > > > I cleaned up hundreds of "registry errors" in three machines so far, my > > wife's machine had 1750 total errors, more than 200 of them ranked as > > "serious" by WinASO Registry Optimizer. > > > > > > NEW QUESTION > > The Registry has a structure. Are there any resources out there where I > > can look up what the structure is, and then I would be able to do stuff to > > the Registry with less stress. I've done surgery to the Registry on other > > machines, and on one I turned the machine into a paper wieght. I'd like to > > understand what I'm looking at when I poke around in the Registry. I'm > > thinking a book titled Registry for Dummies would be what I am looking > > for. (I resist the temptation to buy anything with "dummies" in the title > > ...) > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Not sure if you saw or are ignoring my earlier post but I''ve been
using this free anti virus on all my PCs for 6 month with no problems. I got a new dell laptop in August that came with McCafee, I reformatted to remove all the dell crap and tried this virus scan instead and am very happy with it http://www.avast.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > I delivered the machine back to my b-in-law's house, where he set about > reloading McAfee Internet Security Suite, where upon completion the machine > lost a race with a snail. > > I removed McAfee, again, and the speed is back. We'll be looking for new > protection ... > > The odd thing is, I run McAfee and my computer runs fine. I have an HP > Pavilion, he runs a Great Quality <whatever>. I suppose the difference is > that the Chinese have better motherboards than the Koreans ... > > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:mu6sh.9$2n.1@trndny06... > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:KBPrh.21233$wq.14150@trndny07... > >>I (my brother in law, really) have a computer that has a SERIOUS case of > >>The Slows. It takes FOREVER to open apps, and complete any number of > >>different tasks. > >> > >> It is an off-brand box that came from Fry's (I think). I don't recall > >> what the architecture is, but I'm pretty sure my 286-based laptop was > >> faster. > >> > >> The computer is on its way to my house for a checkout. I'm not sure what > >> my strategy will be. > >> > >> The machine has a valid version of XP Home edition, but I do not know if > >> it has the Restore CD or not. Can I use a different copy of XP to do > >> restore operations? I assume that I have to use the Key Code that is on > >> the computer, not the one that belongs to the copy of XP that I will > >> restore from. > >> > >> Do not hesitate to offer suggestions on what to do ... > >> > > > > I found a couple of legacy programs that should have uninstalled long ago. > > They still remain in the Add or Remove Programs section of the Control > > Panel, and they would not go away from there. I went into the Registry and > > removed all of the "calls" to the errant programs, then I uninstalled > > McAfee Internet Security Suite. Now the machine works like it should. > > Since we last talked, I've loaded a dozen CDs into iTunes (this is a > > project that would have taken days, assuming one would tolerate the pain > > that long). > > > > Somebody here offered up WinASO as a Registry Cleaner. I bought a 5-site > > license and am pleased with the product. Well, as pleased as one can be > > after messing with something for a couple of hours. Thanks for that ... > > > > I cleaned up hundreds of "registry errors" in three machines so far, my > > wife's machine had 1750 total errors, more than 200 of them ranked as > > "serious" by WinASO Registry Optimizer. > > > > > > NEW QUESTION > > The Registry has a structure. Are there any resources out there where I > > can look up what the structure is, and then I would be able to do stuff to > > the Registry with less stress. I've done surgery to the Registry on other > > machines, and on one I turned the machine into a paper wieght. I'd like to > > understand what I'm looking at when I poke around in the Registry. I'm > > thinking a book titled Registry for Dummies would be what I am looking > > for. (I resist the temptation to buy anything with "dummies" in the title > > ...) > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Not sure if you saw or are ignoring my earlier post but I''ve been
using this free anti virus on all my PCs for 6 month with no problems. I got a new dell laptop in August that came with McCafee, I reformatted to remove all the dell crap and tried this virus scan instead and am very happy with it http://www.avast.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > I delivered the machine back to my b-in-law's house, where he set about > reloading McAfee Internet Security Suite, where upon completion the machine > lost a race with a snail. > > I removed McAfee, again, and the speed is back. We'll be looking for new > protection ... > > The odd thing is, I run McAfee and my computer runs fine. I have an HP > Pavilion, he runs a Great Quality <whatever>. I suppose the difference is > that the Chinese have better motherboards than the Koreans ... > > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:mu6sh.9$2n.1@trndny06... > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:KBPrh.21233$wq.14150@trndny07... > >>I (my brother in law, really) have a computer that has a SERIOUS case of > >>The Slows. It takes FOREVER to open apps, and complete any number of > >>different tasks. > >> > >> It is an off-brand box that came from Fry's (I think). I don't recall > >> what the architecture is, but I'm pretty sure my 286-based laptop was > >> faster. > >> > >> The computer is on its way to my house for a checkout. I'm not sure what > >> my strategy will be. > >> > >> The machine has a valid version of XP Home edition, but I do not know if > >> it has the Restore CD or not. Can I use a different copy of XP to do > >> restore operations? I assume that I have to use the Key Code that is on > >> the computer, not the one that belongs to the copy of XP that I will > >> restore from. > >> > >> Do not hesitate to offer suggestions on what to do ... > >> > > > > I found a couple of legacy programs that should have uninstalled long ago. > > They still remain in the Add or Remove Programs section of the Control > > Panel, and they would not go away from there. I went into the Registry and > > removed all of the "calls" to the errant programs, then I uninstalled > > McAfee Internet Security Suite. Now the machine works like it should. > > Since we last talked, I've loaded a dozen CDs into iTunes (this is a > > project that would have taken days, assuming one would tolerate the pain > > that long). > > > > Somebody here offered up WinASO as a Registry Cleaner. I bought a 5-site > > license and am pleased with the product. Well, as pleased as one can be > > after messing with something for a couple of hours. Thanks for that ... > > > > I cleaned up hundreds of "registry errors" in three machines so far, my > > wife's machine had 1750 total errors, more than 200 of them ranked as > > "serious" by WinASO Registry Optimizer. > > > > > > NEW QUESTION > > The Registry has a structure. Are there any resources out there where I > > can look up what the structure is, and then I would be able to do stuff to > > the Registry with less stress. I've done surgery to the Registry on other > > machines, and on one I turned the machine into a paper wieght. I'd like to > > understand what I'm looking at when I poke around in the Registry. I'm > > thinking a book titled Registry for Dummies would be what I am looking > > for. (I resist the temptation to buy anything with "dummies" in the title > > ...) > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Not sure if you saw or are ignoring my earlier post but I''ve been
using this free anti virus on all my PCs for 6 month with no problems. I got a new dell laptop in August that came with McCafee, I reformatted to remove all the dell crap and tried this virus scan instead and am very happy with it http://www.avast.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > I delivered the machine back to my b-in-law's house, where he set about > reloading McAfee Internet Security Suite, where upon completion the machine > lost a race with a snail. > > I removed McAfee, again, and the speed is back. We'll be looking for new > protection ... > > The odd thing is, I run McAfee and my computer runs fine. I have an HP > Pavilion, he runs a Great Quality <whatever>. I suppose the difference is > that the Chinese have better motherboards than the Koreans ... > > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:mu6sh.9$2n.1@trndny06... > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:KBPrh.21233$wq.14150@trndny07... > >>I (my brother in law, really) have a computer that has a SERIOUS case of > >>The Slows. It takes FOREVER to open apps, and complete any number of > >>different tasks. > >> > >> It is an off-brand box that came from Fry's (I think). I don't recall > >> what the architecture is, but I'm pretty sure my 286-based laptop was > >> faster. > >> > >> The computer is on its way to my house for a checkout. I'm not sure what > >> my strategy will be. > >> > >> The machine has a valid version of XP Home edition, but I do not know if > >> it has the Restore CD or not. Can I use a different copy of XP to do > >> restore operations? I assume that I have to use the Key Code that is on > >> the computer, not the one that belongs to the copy of XP that I will > >> restore from. > >> > >> Do not hesitate to offer suggestions on what to do ... > >> > > > > I found a couple of legacy programs that should have uninstalled long ago. > > They still remain in the Add or Remove Programs section of the Control > > Panel, and they would not go away from there. I went into the Registry and > > removed all of the "calls" to the errant programs, then I uninstalled > > McAfee Internet Security Suite. Now the machine works like it should. > > Since we last talked, I've loaded a dozen CDs into iTunes (this is a > > project that would have taken days, assuming one would tolerate the pain > > that long). > > > > Somebody here offered up WinASO as a Registry Cleaner. I bought a 5-site > > license and am pleased with the product. Well, as pleased as one can be > > after messing with something for a couple of hours. Thanks for that ... > > > > I cleaned up hundreds of "registry errors" in three machines so far, my > > wife's machine had 1750 total errors, more than 200 of them ranked as > > "serious" by WinASO Registry Optimizer. > > > > > > NEW QUESTION > > The Registry has a structure. Are there any resources out there where I > > can look up what the structure is, and then I would be able to do stuff to > > the Registry with less stress. I've done surgery to the Registry on other > > machines, and on one I turned the machine into a paper wieght. I'd like to > > understand what I'm looking at when I poke around in the Registry. I'm > > thinking a book titled Registry for Dummies would be what I am looking > > for. (I resist the temptation to buy anything with "dummies" in the title > > ...) > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> bllsht wrote: >> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>> cards. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>> >>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>> driver that >>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash >>>> and >>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>>> >>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>> >>> I am happy. >>> >>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >> >> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >> MB's AGP slot. >> >> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >> >> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >> >> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >> if you haven't seen it already. > > Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset > instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix > in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the > 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least > the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a > performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. > > I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing > with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it > is now! > > Mike > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> bllsht wrote: >> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>> cards. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>> >>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>> driver that >>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash >>>> and >>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>>> >>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>> >>> I am happy. >>> >>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >> >> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >> MB's AGP slot. >> >> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >> >> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >> >> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >> if you haven't seen it already. > > Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset > instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix > in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the > 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least > the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a > performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. > > I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing > with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it > is now! > > Mike > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> bllsht wrote: >> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>> cards. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>> >>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>> driver that >>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash >>>> and >>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>>> >>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>> >>> I am happy. >>> >>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >> >> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >> MB's AGP slot. >> >> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >> >> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >> >> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >> if you haven't seen it already. > > Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset > instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix > in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the > 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least > the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a > performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. > > I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing > with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it > is now! > > Mike > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> bllsht wrote: >> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a lot of >>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>> cards. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>> >>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>> driver that >>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is actually a >>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the trash >>>> and >>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>>> >>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>> >>> I am happy. >>> >>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >> >> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >> MB's AGP slot. >> >> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >> >> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >> >> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >> if you haven't seen it already. > > Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset > instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix > in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the > 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least > the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a > performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. > > I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing > with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it > is now! > > Mike > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Thanks.
"ufatbastehd" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1169423936.232250.252780@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > Not sure if you saw or are ignoring my earlier post but I''ve been > using this free anti virus on all my PCs for 6 month with no problems. > > I got a new dell laptop in August that came with McCafee, I reformatted > to remove all the dell crap and tried this virus scan instead and am > very happy with it > > http://www.avast.com/ > > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> I delivered the machine back to my b-in-law's house, where he set about >> reloading McAfee Internet Security Suite, where upon completion the >> machine >> lost a race with a snail. >> >> I removed McAfee, again, and the speed is back. We'll be looking for new >> protection ... >> >> The odd thing is, I run McAfee and my computer runs fine. I have an HP >> Pavilion, he runs a Great Quality <whatever>. I suppose the difference is >> that the Chinese have better motherboards than the Koreans ... >> >> >> >> >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:mu6sh.9$2n.1@trndny06... >> > >> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message >> > news:KBPrh.21233$wq.14150@trndny07... >> >>I (my brother in law, really) have a computer that has a SERIOUS case >> >>of >> >>The Slows. It takes FOREVER to open apps, and complete any number of >> >>different tasks. >> >> >> >> It is an off-brand box that came from Fry's (I think). I don't recall >> >> what the architecture is, but I'm pretty sure my 286-based laptop was >> >> faster. >> >> >> >> The computer is on its way to my house for a checkout. I'm not sure >> >> what >> >> my strategy will be. >> >> >> >> The machine has a valid version of XP Home edition, but I do not know >> >> if >> >> it has the Restore CD or not. Can I use a different copy of XP to do >> >> restore operations? I assume that I have to use the Key Code that is >> >> on >> >> the computer, not the one that belongs to the copy of XP that I will >> >> restore from. >> >> >> >> Do not hesitate to offer suggestions on what to do ... >> >> >> > >> > I found a couple of legacy programs that should have uninstalled long >> > ago. >> > They still remain in the Add or Remove Programs section of the Control >> > Panel, and they would not go away from there. I went into the Registry >> > and >> > removed all of the "calls" to the errant programs, then I uninstalled >> > McAfee Internet Security Suite. Now the machine works like it should. >> > Since we last talked, I've loaded a dozen CDs into iTunes (this is a >> > project that would have taken days, assuming one would tolerate the >> > pain >> > that long). >> > >> > Somebody here offered up WinASO as a Registry Cleaner. I bought a >> > 5-site >> > license and am pleased with the product. Well, as pleased as one can be >> > after messing with something for a couple of hours. Thanks for that ... >> > >> > I cleaned up hundreds of "registry errors" in three machines so far, my >> > wife's machine had 1750 total errors, more than 200 of them ranked as >> > "serious" by WinASO Registry Optimizer. >> > >> > >> > NEW QUESTION >> > The Registry has a structure. Are there any resources out there where I >> > can look up what the structure is, and then I would be able to do stuff >> > to >> > the Registry with less stress. I've done surgery to the Registry on >> > other >> > machines, and on one I turned the machine into a paper wieght. I'd like >> > to >> > understand what I'm looking at when I poke around in the Registry. I'm >> > thinking a book titled Registry for Dummies would be what I am looking >> > for. (I resist the temptation to buy anything with "dummies" in the >> > title >> > ...) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Thanks.
"ufatbastehd" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1169423936.232250.252780@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > Not sure if you saw or are ignoring my earlier post but I''ve been > using this free anti virus on all my PCs for 6 month with no problems. > > I got a new dell laptop in August that came with McCafee, I reformatted > to remove all the dell crap and tried this virus scan instead and am > very happy with it > > http://www.avast.com/ > > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> I delivered the machine back to my b-in-law's house, where he set about >> reloading McAfee Internet Security Suite, where upon completion the >> machine >> lost a race with a snail. >> >> I removed McAfee, again, and the speed is back. We'll be looking for new >> protection ... >> >> The odd thing is, I run McAfee and my computer runs fine. I have an HP >> Pavilion, he runs a Great Quality <whatever>. I suppose the difference is >> that the Chinese have better motherboards than the Koreans ... >> >> >> >> >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:mu6sh.9$2n.1@trndny06... >> > >> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message >> > news:KBPrh.21233$wq.14150@trndny07... >> >>I (my brother in law, really) have a computer that has a SERIOUS case >> >>of >> >>The Slows. It takes FOREVER to open apps, and complete any number of >> >>different tasks. >> >> >> >> It is an off-brand box that came from Fry's (I think). I don't recall >> >> what the architecture is, but I'm pretty sure my 286-based laptop was >> >> faster. >> >> >> >> The computer is on its way to my house for a checkout. I'm not sure >> >> what >> >> my strategy will be. >> >> >> >> The machine has a valid version of XP Home edition, but I do not know >> >> if >> >> it has the Restore CD or not. Can I use a different copy of XP to do >> >> restore operations? I assume that I have to use the Key Code that is >> >> on >> >> the computer, not the one that belongs to the copy of XP that I will >> >> restore from. >> >> >> >> Do not hesitate to offer suggestions on what to do ... >> >> >> > >> > I found a couple of legacy programs that should have uninstalled long >> > ago. >> > They still remain in the Add or Remove Programs section of the Control >> > Panel, and they would not go away from there. I went into the Registry >> > and >> > removed all of the "calls" to the errant programs, then I uninstalled >> > McAfee Internet Security Suite. Now the machine works like it should. >> > Since we last talked, I've loaded a dozen CDs into iTunes (this is a >> > project that would have taken days, assuming one would tolerate the >> > pain >> > that long). >> > >> > Somebody here offered up WinASO as a Registry Cleaner. I bought a >> > 5-site >> > license and am pleased with the product. Well, as pleased as one can be >> > after messing with something for a couple of hours. Thanks for that ... >> > >> > I cleaned up hundreds of "registry errors" in three machines so far, my >> > wife's machine had 1750 total errors, more than 200 of them ranked as >> > "serious" by WinASO Registry Optimizer. >> > >> > >> > NEW QUESTION >> > The Registry has a structure. Are there any resources out there where I >> > can look up what the structure is, and then I would be able to do stuff >> > to >> > the Registry with less stress. I've done surgery to the Registry on >> > other >> > machines, and on one I turned the machine into a paper wieght. I'd like >> > to >> > understand what I'm looking at when I poke around in the Registry. I'm >> > thinking a book titled Registry for Dummies would be what I am looking >> > for. (I resist the temptation to buy anything with "dummies" in the >> > title >> > ...) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Thanks.
"ufatbastehd" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1169423936.232250.252780@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > Not sure if you saw or are ignoring my earlier post but I''ve been > using this free anti virus on all my PCs for 6 month with no problems. > > I got a new dell laptop in August that came with McCafee, I reformatted > to remove all the dell crap and tried this virus scan instead and am > very happy with it > > http://www.avast.com/ > > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> I delivered the machine back to my b-in-law's house, where he set about >> reloading McAfee Internet Security Suite, where upon completion the >> machine >> lost a race with a snail. >> >> I removed McAfee, again, and the speed is back. We'll be looking for new >> protection ... >> >> The odd thing is, I run McAfee and my computer runs fine. I have an HP >> Pavilion, he runs a Great Quality <whatever>. I suppose the difference is >> that the Chinese have better motherboards than the Koreans ... >> >> >> >> >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:mu6sh.9$2n.1@trndny06... >> > >> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message >> > news:KBPrh.21233$wq.14150@trndny07... >> >>I (my brother in law, really) have a computer that has a SERIOUS case >> >>of >> >>The Slows. It takes FOREVER to open apps, and complete any number of >> >>different tasks. >> >> >> >> It is an off-brand box that came from Fry's (I think). I don't recall >> >> what the architecture is, but I'm pretty sure my 286-based laptop was >> >> faster. >> >> >> >> The computer is on its way to my house for a checkout. I'm not sure >> >> what >> >> my strategy will be. >> >> >> >> The machine has a valid version of XP Home edition, but I do not know >> >> if >> >> it has the Restore CD or not. Can I use a different copy of XP to do >> >> restore operations? I assume that I have to use the Key Code that is >> >> on >> >> the computer, not the one that belongs to the copy of XP that I will >> >> restore from. >> >> >> >> Do not hesitate to offer suggestions on what to do ... >> >> >> > >> > I found a couple of legacy programs that should have uninstalled long >> > ago. >> > They still remain in the Add or Remove Programs section of the Control >> > Panel, and they would not go away from there. I went into the Registry >> > and >> > removed all of the "calls" to the errant programs, then I uninstalled >> > McAfee Internet Security Suite. Now the machine works like it should. >> > Since we last talked, I've loaded a dozen CDs into iTunes (this is a >> > project that would have taken days, assuming one would tolerate the >> > pain >> > that long). >> > >> > Somebody here offered up WinASO as a Registry Cleaner. I bought a >> > 5-site >> > license and am pleased with the product. Well, as pleased as one can be >> > after messing with something for a couple of hours. Thanks for that ... >> > >> > I cleaned up hundreds of "registry errors" in three machines so far, my >> > wife's machine had 1750 total errors, more than 200 of them ranked as >> > "serious" by WinASO Registry Optimizer. >> > >> > >> > NEW QUESTION >> > The Registry has a structure. Are there any resources out there where I >> > can look up what the structure is, and then I would be able to do stuff >> > to >> > the Registry with less stress. I've done surgery to the Registry on >> > other >> > machines, and on one I turned the machine into a paper wieght. I'd like >> > to >> > understand what I'm looking at when I poke around in the Registry. I'm >> > thinking a book titled Registry for Dummies would be what I am looking >> > for. (I resist the temptation to buy anything with "dummies" in the >> > title >> > ...) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Thanks.
"ufatbastehd" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1169423936.232250.252780@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > Not sure if you saw or are ignoring my earlier post but I''ve been > using this free anti virus on all my PCs for 6 month with no problems. > > I got a new dell laptop in August that came with McCafee, I reformatted > to remove all the dell crap and tried this virus scan instead and am > very happy with it > > http://www.avast.com/ > > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> I delivered the machine back to my b-in-law's house, where he set about >> reloading McAfee Internet Security Suite, where upon completion the >> machine >> lost a race with a snail. >> >> I removed McAfee, again, and the speed is back. We'll be looking for new >> protection ... >> >> The odd thing is, I run McAfee and my computer runs fine. I have an HP >> Pavilion, he runs a Great Quality <whatever>. I suppose the difference is >> that the Chinese have better motherboards than the Koreans ... >> >> >> >> >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:mu6sh.9$2n.1@trndny06... >> > >> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message >> > news:KBPrh.21233$wq.14150@trndny07... >> >>I (my brother in law, really) have a computer that has a SERIOUS case >> >>of >> >>The Slows. It takes FOREVER to open apps, and complete any number of >> >>different tasks. >> >> >> >> It is an off-brand box that came from Fry's (I think). I don't recall >> >> what the architecture is, but I'm pretty sure my 286-based laptop was >> >> faster. >> >> >> >> The computer is on its way to my house for a checkout. I'm not sure >> >> what >> >> my strategy will be. >> >> >> >> The machine has a valid version of XP Home edition, but I do not know >> >> if >> >> it has the Restore CD or not. Can I use a different copy of XP to do >> >> restore operations? I assume that I have to use the Key Code that is >> >> on >> >> the computer, not the one that belongs to the copy of XP that I will >> >> restore from. >> >> >> >> Do not hesitate to offer suggestions on what to do ... >> >> >> > >> > I found a couple of legacy programs that should have uninstalled long >> > ago. >> > They still remain in the Add or Remove Programs section of the Control >> > Panel, and they would not go away from there. I went into the Registry >> > and >> > removed all of the "calls" to the errant programs, then I uninstalled >> > McAfee Internet Security Suite. Now the machine works like it should. >> > Since we last talked, I've loaded a dozen CDs into iTunes (this is a >> > project that would have taken days, assuming one would tolerate the >> > pain >> > that long). >> > >> > Somebody here offered up WinASO as a Registry Cleaner. I bought a >> > 5-site >> > license and am pleased with the product. Well, as pleased as one can be >> > after messing with something for a couple of hours. Thanks for that ... >> > >> > I cleaned up hundreds of "registry errors" in three machines so far, my >> > wife's machine had 1750 total errors, more than 200 of them ranked as >> > "serious" by WinASO Registry Optimizer. >> > >> > >> > NEW QUESTION >> > The Registry has a structure. Are there any resources out there where I >> > can look up what the structure is, and then I would be able to do stuff >> > to >> > the Registry with less stress. I've done surgery to the Registry on >> > other >> > machines, and on one I turned the machine into a paper wieght. I'd like >> > to >> > understand what I'm looking at when I poke around in the Registry. I'm >> > thinking a book titled Registry for Dummies would be what I am looking >> > for. (I resist the temptation to buy anything with "dummies" in the >> > title >> > ...) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem
Jeff - it is not using Google as a home page, that is OK (I do that). It
is this applet that installs itself on your computer and ostensibly gives you features that Jeff DeWitt is referring to. Just going to the page is not an issue. Tomes "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message news:VTYrh.4017$hi7.680@trnddc08... > Really!? > > I do not use Google as my Home Page, but it occurs to me that my > b-in-law might have. I prefer Yahoo as my Home page, and I keep Google > as a Favorite. > > > > > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:45b057cc$0$8914$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> If the machine has Google Desktop on it you might try removing it. >> It's nice to have but sometimes it goes nuts and slows the system to a >> crawl. >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem
Jeff - it is not using Google as a home page, that is OK (I do that). It
is this applet that installs itself on your computer and ostensibly gives you features that Jeff DeWitt is referring to. Just going to the page is not an issue. Tomes "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message news:VTYrh.4017$hi7.680@trnddc08... > Really!? > > I do not use Google as my Home Page, but it occurs to me that my > b-in-law might have. I prefer Yahoo as my Home page, and I keep Google > as a Favorite. > > > > > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:45b057cc$0$8914$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> If the machine has Google Desktop on it you might try removing it. >> It's nice to have but sometimes it goes nuts and slows the system to a >> crawl. >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem
Jeff - it is not using Google as a home page, that is OK (I do that). It
is this applet that installs itself on your computer and ostensibly gives you features that Jeff DeWitt is referring to. Just going to the page is not an issue. Tomes "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message news:VTYrh.4017$hi7.680@trnddc08... > Really!? > > I do not use Google as my Home Page, but it occurs to me that my > b-in-law might have. I prefer Yahoo as my Home page, and I keep Google > as a Favorite. > > > > > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:45b057cc$0$8914$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> If the machine has Google Desktop on it you might try removing it. >> It's nice to have but sometimes it goes nuts and slows the system to a >> crawl. >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem
Jeff - it is not using Google as a home page, that is OK (I do that). It
is this applet that installs itself on your computer and ostensibly gives you features that Jeff DeWitt is referring to. Just going to the page is not an issue. Tomes "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message news:VTYrh.4017$hi7.680@trnddc08... > Really!? > > I do not use Google as my Home Page, but it occurs to me that my > b-in-law might have. I prefer Yahoo as my Home page, and I keep Google > as a Favorite. > > > > > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:45b057cc$0$8914$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> If the machine has Google Desktop on it you might try removing it. >> It's nice to have but sometimes it goes nuts and slows the system to a >> crawl. >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> > |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:18:08 -0600, c <c@me.org> wrote:
[snip] >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix >> in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the >> 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least >> the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a >> performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing >> with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it >> is now! >> >> Mike >> > >Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > >Chris What version of DirectX you got? (Oops, sorry, wrong group!) .... |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:18:08 -0600, c <c@me.org> wrote:
[snip] >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix >> in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the >> 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least >> the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a >> performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing >> with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it >> is now! >> >> Mike >> > >Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > >Chris What version of DirectX you got? (Oops, sorry, wrong group!) .... |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:18:08 -0600, c <c@me.org> wrote:
[snip] >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix >> in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the >> 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least >> the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a >> performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing >> with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it >> is now! >> >> Mike >> > >Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > >Chris What version of DirectX you got? (Oops, sorry, wrong group!) .... |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:18:08 -0600, c <c@me.org> wrote:
[snip] >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP fix >> in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with the >> 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at least >> the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't seen a >> performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth messing >> with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so fast as it >> is now! >> >> Mike >> > >Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > >Chris What version of DirectX you got? (Oops, sorry, wrong group!) .... |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> bllsht wrote: >>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>> >>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>> driver that >>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>> actually a >>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>> trash and >>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>> >>>> I am happy. >>>> >>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>> >>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>> MB's AGP slot. >>> >>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>> >>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>> >>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>> if you haven't seen it already. >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't >> seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >> fast as it is now! >> >> Mike >> > > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > > Chris LOL! Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> bllsht wrote: >>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>> >>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>> driver that >>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>> actually a >>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>> trash and >>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>> >>>> I am happy. >>>> >>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>> >>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>> MB's AGP slot. >>> >>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>> >>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>> >>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>> if you haven't seen it already. >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't >> seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >> fast as it is now! >> >> Mike >> > > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > > Chris LOL! Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> bllsht wrote: >>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>> >>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>> driver that >>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>> actually a >>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>> trash and >>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>> >>>> I am happy. >>>> >>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>> >>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>> MB's AGP slot. >>> >>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>> >>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>> >>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>> if you haven't seen it already. >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't >> seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >> fast as it is now! >> >> Mike >> > > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > > Chris LOL! Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> bllsht wrote: >>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>> >>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>> driver that >>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>> actually a >>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>> trash and >>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>> >>>> I am happy. >>>> >>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>> >>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>> MB's AGP slot. >>> >>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>> >>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>> >>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>> if you haven't seen it already. >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't >> seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >> fast as it is now! >> >> Mike >> > > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > > Chris LOL! Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> c wrote: >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> bllsht wrote: >>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>> >>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>> driver that >>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>> everything in >>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>> actually a >>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>> trash and >>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>>> >>>>> I am happy. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>> >>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>> >>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>> >>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>> >>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>> >>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>> >>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >>> fast as it is now! >>> >>> Mike >>> >> >> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >> >> Chris > > LOL! > > Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things > checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. > > I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds > aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using > looks like a penguin. Seriously... > > Mike Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide ground. In fact it is not recommended. Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> c wrote: >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> bllsht wrote: >>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>> >>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>> driver that >>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>> everything in >>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>> actually a >>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>> trash and >>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>>> >>>>> I am happy. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>> >>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>> >>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>> >>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>> >>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>> >>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>> >>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >>> fast as it is now! >>> >>> Mike >>> >> >> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >> >> Chris > > LOL! > > Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things > checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. > > I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds > aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using > looks like a penguin. Seriously... > > Mike Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide ground. In fact it is not recommended. Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> c wrote: >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> bllsht wrote: >>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>> >>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>> driver that >>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>> everything in >>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>> actually a >>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>> trash and >>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>>> >>>>> I am happy. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>> >>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>> >>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>> >>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>> >>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>> >>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>> >>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >>> fast as it is now! >>> >>> Mike >>> >> >> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >> >> Chris > > LOL! > > Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things > checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. > > I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds > aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using > looks like a penguin. Seriously... > > Mike Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide ground. In fact it is not recommended. Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> c wrote: >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> bllsht wrote: >>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>> >>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>> driver that >>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>> everything in >>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>> actually a >>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>> trash and >>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>>> >>>>> I am happy. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>> >>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>> >>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>> >>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>> >>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>> >>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>> >>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >>> fast as it is now! >>> >>> Mike >>> >> >> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >> >> Chris > > LOL! > > Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things > checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. > > I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds > aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using > looks like a penguin. Seriously... > > Mike Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide ground. In fact it is not recommended. Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> c wrote: >>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> bllsht wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>>> driver that >>>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>>> everything in >>>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>>> actually a >>>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>>> trash and >>>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than >>>>>> with the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the >>>>>> first time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>>> >>>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>>> >>>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>>> >>>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>>> >>>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>>> >>>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything >>>> so fast as it is now! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>> >>> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >>> >>> Chris >> >> LOL! >> >> Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first >> things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to >> work well. >> >> I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the >> grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am >> now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... >> >> Mike > > Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional > thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more > watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power > issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video > card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard > drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back > to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells > me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all > ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be > able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to > the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide > ground. In fact it is not recommended. > > Chris There is a reason I have the set of 3' jumper cables with alligator clips on them.... Back when I was working in computer hardware, things had to be grounded. You could not run a PC on a table without the ground straps added. I had to solder a ground strap onto my last ASUS motherboard to chassis ground it. Th that case's standoffs were plastic and the board required a ground from one standoff screw hole to the chassis to work. I believe my current one also uses a standoff ground. All the older systems worked best with a direct chassis ground to the components. My current CD writer has to be chassis ground with a mounting screw or it only gets seen every second or 3rd boot up if it is loose in the slot. My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS was loading. Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> c wrote: >>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> bllsht wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>>> driver that >>>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>>> everything in >>>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>>> actually a >>>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>>> trash and >>>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than >>>>>> with the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the >>>>>> first time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>>> >>>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>>> >>>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>>> >>>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>>> >>>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>>> >>>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything >>>> so fast as it is now! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>> >>> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >>> >>> Chris >> >> LOL! >> >> Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first >> things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to >> work well. >> >> I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the >> grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am >> now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... >> >> Mike > > Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional > thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more > watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power > issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video > card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard > drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back > to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells > me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all > ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be > able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to > the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide > ground. In fact it is not recommended. > > Chris There is a reason I have the set of 3' jumper cables with alligator clips on them.... Back when I was working in computer hardware, things had to be grounded. You could not run a PC on a table without the ground straps added. I had to solder a ground strap onto my last ASUS motherboard to chassis ground it. Th that case's standoffs were plastic and the board required a ground from one standoff screw hole to the chassis to work. I believe my current one also uses a standoff ground. All the older systems worked best with a direct chassis ground to the components. My current CD writer has to be chassis ground with a mounting screw or it only gets seen every second or 3rd boot up if it is loose in the slot. My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS was loading. Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> c wrote: >>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> bllsht wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>>> driver that >>>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>>> everything in >>>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>>> actually a >>>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>>> trash and >>>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than >>>>>> with the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the >>>>>> first time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>>> >>>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>>> >>>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>>> >>>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>>> >>>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>>> >>>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything >>>> so fast as it is now! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>> >>> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >>> >>> Chris >> >> LOL! >> >> Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first >> things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to >> work well. >> >> I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the >> grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am >> now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... >> >> Mike > > Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional > thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more > watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power > issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video > card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard > drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back > to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells > me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all > ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be > able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to > the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide > ground. In fact it is not recommended. > > Chris There is a reason I have the set of 3' jumper cables with alligator clips on them.... Back when I was working in computer hardware, things had to be grounded. You could not run a PC on a table without the ground straps added. I had to solder a ground strap onto my last ASUS motherboard to chassis ground it. Th that case's standoffs were plastic and the board required a ground from one standoff screw hole to the chassis to work. I believe my current one also uses a standoff ground. All the older systems worked best with a direct chassis ground to the components. My current CD writer has to be chassis ground with a mounting screw or it only gets seen every second or 3rd boot up if it is loose in the slot. My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS was loading. Mike |
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