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JTPhoto JK 11-27-2012 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by PJF4X4 (Post 564610)
I totally disagree with you. It's a known fact that a JK even in stock for have had/have wobble issues. I've installed 3.5" kits with new tire and wheel combos on NEW JK's and had the alignment done to spec (or even added caster) and they still have a tendency to wobble.
I do agree that adding steering stabilizer(s) is not the perfect solution, but then again I didn't engineer a truck with a factory glitch...
I'm not here to stir the pot, just sharing information.

And by the way, we sell all makes of suspensions including the new Metalcloak line up! We're not biased towards one just like to offer suspensions within the buyers budget.

Thx
Danny

Lots of info out there about Death wobble and lots of cures as well but It's not just a Jeep thing, it's a solid axle thing and has been around as long as the automobile, including old solid front axle non 4 wheel drive vehicles. None of these vehicles ever had stabilizers. This is a new addition incorporated into straight axle vehicles in the late 80s which dampens the steering on rutted roads.
Sorry, I don't want to stir the pot either but it's misinformation like that, that cost folks on a budget extra $ for no reason.

LIV DRTY 11-27-2012 01:14 PM

Re: Lifts and Wheels (Tires & Rims) - Suggestions?
 
How much $$$ for the Rough Country Lift??? And approx. how much should the install cost on a lift?? (obviously varies between places. . .)

Thanks for all the suggestions so far guys! Taking everything into consideration and continuing to do my homework/research!

PJF4X4 11-27-2012 01:57 PM

Re: Lifts and Wheels (Tires & Rims) - Suggestions?
 

Originally Posted by JTPhoto JK (Post 564614)
Sorry, I don't want to stir the pot either but it's misinformation like that, that cost folks on a budget extra $ for no reason.

I fail to see where the "misinformation" part is in my post. If the vehicle is having minor wobble and yet it's all tight and within spec, what's your solution? Leave the "seemingly" unsafe truck in the hands of the owner?
Or would you suggest bring the caster back to the point where it look like a grader when turning with crazy driveshaft angle? OR cut and turn the knuckles to correct the so called normality?

As far as overselling, anyone who has dealt with us will tell you, that is far from the truth.

I take offense to your insinuation that we are misinforming people and overselling for no reason other than profit. It is far from our business practice to do either.

Thx
Danny

PJF4X4 11-27-2012 02:03 PM

Re: Lifts and Wheels (Tires & Rims) - Suggestions?
 

Originally Posted by LIV DRTY (Post 564617)
How much $$$ for the Rough Country Lift??? And approx. how much should the install cost on a lift?? (obviously varies between places. . .)

Thanks for all the suggestions so far guys! Taking everything into consideration and continuing to do my homework/research!

We retail the kit for $499.95+tax and the installation runs around 5 hours at $70/hr.

Thx
Danny

snakeyes76 11-27-2012 02:54 PM

Re: Lifts and Wheels (Tires & Rims) - Suggestions?
 

Originally Posted by PJF4X4 (Post 564618)
I fail to see where the "misinformation" part is in my post. If the vehicle is having minor wobble and yet it's all tight and within spec, what's your solution? Leave the "seemingly" unsafe truck in the hands of the owner?
Or would you suggest bring the caster back to the point where it look like a grader when turning with crazy driveshaft angle? OR cut and turn the knuckles to correct the so called normality?

As far as overselling, anyone who has dealt with us will tell you, that is far from the truth.

I take offense to your insinuation that we are misinforming people and overselling for no reason other than profit. It is far from our business practice to do either.

Thx
Danny

Now now guys - let's settle down :cool: - I can vouch for PJF .. I've spent a couple thousand $ or so and have never been pushed into buying anything I didn't require. The death wobble things seems to have a lot of opinions out there and unfortunately, Chrysler isn't ready to take ownership of the issue. But opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one. :biggrin:

Duke 11-27-2012 04:08 PM

Re: Lifts and Wheels (Tires & Rims) - Suggestions?
 
Hehehehehe nothing like a good banter.

I have no wobble issues, but most come from not installing components properly.

I had a 04 Cummins Ram on 37's and it had death wobble that would rip your arms off due to a bad lift install.

As you see there is a dozen ways to lift your Jeep, all depends on budget and intent. If you want a really capable off roader then you need a full kit with control arms and all, but a basic lift, traction aids and some good driving skills will get you a long way as well.

If you can do the work yourself you will save a few bucks, but if you are unsure and don't have the basic tools to do the job then its best you don't mess with it and let a shop do it.

LIV DRTY 11-27-2012 09:34 PM

Re: Lifts and Wheels (Tires & Rims) - Suggestions?
 
Again, thanks to everyone for all the input thus far . . . .

Does anyone have any opinions or experience with a 2.5" AEV lift kit??
I've been told it's very reliable and good for what I'm looking for. . . . thoughts?

Thoughts or opinions on the Rockstar XD rims?

Thanks again!!

Duke 11-27-2012 10:18 PM

Re: Lifts and Wheels (Tires & Rims) - Suggestions?
 
AEV is supposed to be good gear, no personal experience, pretty high dollar.
Planning on some Rockstars for my MINI in the spring.

PJF4X4 11-27-2012 10:48 PM

Re: Lifts and Wheels (Tires & Rims) - Suggestions?
 

Originally Posted by Duke (Post 564622)
I have no wobble issues, but most come from not installing components properly.

Ok I'll bite, explain how a component can be incorrectly installed?

Duke 11-27-2012 11:38 PM

Re: Lifts and Wheels (Tires & Rims) - Suggestions?
 
Not using proper torque durring install, just double wrenching it and be done, not doing allignment after swapping out major components, installing big lifts without considering proper steering and axle geometry. No track bar relocation brackets. I don't like adjustable trackbars as they don't actually fix the angle issue, this all depends on the rig and setup of course, but anything over 2" needs these things attended to.

I always torque anything with a bushing with the weight on the truck. This way the bushing is not already preloaded, this causes premature wear leading to the dreaded death wobble.

Alot of places will install lifts on trucks with already worn out components. Any shop installing lifts and bigger tires on a vechicle that already has worn out bushings, ball joints, ujoints, shocks, etc should be ashamed, unless of course you are replacing these components with new ones. Any increase in height wheel offset adds to the stress of the older components which leads to failure.

Whenever I have worked on a vechicle, I do a basic safety on it first. If it needs anything serious then I inform the person and if they don't agree to fix that issue then I don't work on it.

At the end of the day its my license on the line and I rather not be drug down that road.


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