CJ to TJ swap
12-29-2006, 09:08 AM
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CJ to TJ swap
Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
12-29-2006, 10:36 AM
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Re: CJ to TJ swap
Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
know the feeling.
On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
*Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
suspension conversions to keep up...
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
know the feeling.
On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
*Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
suspension conversions to keep up...
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-29-2006, 10:36 AM
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Re: CJ to TJ swap
Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
know the feeling.
On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
*Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
suspension conversions to keep up...
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
know the feeling.
On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
*Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
suspension conversions to keep up...
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-29-2006, 10:36 AM
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Re: CJ to TJ swap
Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
know the feeling.
On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
*Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
suspension conversions to keep up...
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
know the feeling.
On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
*Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
suspension conversions to keep up...
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-29-2006, 10:57 AM
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Re: CJ to TJ swap
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> know the feeling.
>
> On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> --
> Simon
What a pile of pure horseshit!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> know the feeling.
>
> On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> --
> Simon
What a pile of pure horseshit!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
12-29-2006, 10:57 AM
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Re: CJ to TJ swap
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> know the feeling.
>
> On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> --
> Simon
What a pile of pure horseshit!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> know the feeling.
>
> On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> --
> Simon
What a pile of pure horseshit!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
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12-29-2006, 10:57 AM
#7
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Posts: n/a
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> know the feeling.
>
> On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> --
> Simon
What a pile of pure horseshit!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> know the feeling.
>
> On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> --
> Simon
What a pile of pure horseshit!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
12-29-2006, 11:24 AM
#8
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Posts: n/a
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Rabble!!
On Dec 29, 10:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> > Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> > know the feeling.
>
> > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> > suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> > --
> > SimonWhat a pile of pure horseshit!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
On Dec 29, 10:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> > Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> > know the feeling.
>
> > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> > suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> > --
> > SimonWhat a pile of pure horseshit!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
12-29-2006, 11:24 AM
#9
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Posts: n/a
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Rabble!!
On Dec 29, 10:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> > Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> > know the feeling.
>
> > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> > suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> > --
> > SimonWhat a pile of pure horseshit!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
On Dec 29, 10:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> > Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> > know the feeling.
>
> > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> > suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> > --
> > SimonWhat a pile of pure horseshit!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
12-29-2006, 11:24 AM
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Rabble!!
On Dec 29, 10:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> > Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> > know the feeling.
>
> > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> > suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> > --
> > SimonWhat a pile of pure horseshit!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
On Dec 29, 10:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> > Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
> > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition)
> > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a
> > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10
> > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot
> > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily
> > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous
> > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look
> > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I
> > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't
> > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock
> > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
>
> > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I
> > know the feeling.
>
> > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better
> > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if
> > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that
> > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's
> > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258.
>
> > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL
> > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish
> > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong.
>
> > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will
> > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own
> > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his
> > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40
> > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he
> > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or
> > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any
> > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule
> > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling.
>
> > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending
> > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a
> > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods.
> > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ
> > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter
> > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based
> > suspension conversions to keep up...
>
> > --
> > SimonWhat a pile of pure horseshit!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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